and if it's geographical china instead of the state china, ancient choson controlled east coast of modern china while China was during Xia(Xia was located in inland china)
『宋書』倭国伝 451年倭百済新羅任那秦韓慕韓六国諸軍事安東大将軍と中国からも軍事権を認められていた。 In the 28th year of Genka (451), Sei, the King of Wa, was also given the position of the envoy and military commander, governor-general of military affairs in the seven countries of Wa, Paekche, Shilla, Imna (Mimana), Kara, Shin and Kanbo and the General of Anto was restored to its original form. Also the 23 men whose names were presented to the emperor were appointed as generals and district chiefs.
478年、外交権も認められた。 Then Emperor Jun handed down an imperial decree and declared Bu the envoy and military commander, governor-general of military affairs in the six countries of Wa, Shilla, Imna (Mimana), Kara, Shin and Kanbo and the Great General of Anto, King of Wa. http://www.rekihaku.ac.jp/kenkyuu/shinpo/173.gif
『隋書』倭国伝 新羅、百済は、倭国を大国と敬仰していた。 In Shilla and Paekche it was thought that Wa was a great nation which possessed many rare things. Both countries respected and revered Wa and regularly sent enjoys. http://www.rekihaku.ac.jp/kenkyuu/shinpo/174.gif
Entry to the concealed operation could only be accessed by elevator up to the 4th floor where customers had to pass through an x-ray machine. The entire operation was under surveillance with closed circuit cameras. The 25 women employed to entertain customers were each 18-25 years old. Each was fined 500 baht and released with a warning.
The operation had apparently been carrying on for the past seven years.
AIDSにもナマでファイティング!Korean Myanmar crying out for condoms, but junta lives in denial Monied Myanmar men, Korean tourists and the occasional Western traveler are showered with attention before they even reach their seats. The din makes conversation difficult but they soon find that if they are looking for sex, $15 talks.
>>75 とりあえず、百済の太子を質とした史料はこれです。 −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− but i doubt a Baekje prince was ever held hostage in Yamato.. 三国史記 百済本紀 第三、阿[辛*]王六年<三九七>五月条 「腆支王。<或は直支と云う。>……阿の在位第三年の年に立ちて太子と為る。六年、出でて倭国に質す −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−
−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− "...The second "invasion" started in the late fourth century A.D. when Paekche conquered Japan. With horses and an advanced knowledge of metals, the Paekche soldiers occupied Japan from Kyushu to the nara area. They ruled Japan between about 369 and 525 A.D., and Japanese civilization during this time seems to have been very Korean. 日本、朝鮮、中国どの史書にも載っていない。 −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− ↑どなたか適当な、文章つくってください。
まずはじめにまったく意味不明ですが、訳せるかたいたらお願いします。 czesc natalka hmm mials do mnie nie zagdaywac nie chce mi sie z toba gadac naprawde wiem ale chce co u ciebie ??????????????????????????????? wszystko dobrze a co ? co chcesz? chce pogadac dobra teraz piszesz z konina co tam robisz ? jestem u rodziny ale cie dlugo na ircu nie bylo czemu ????????????????????????????????? juz nie jezdzed do brata do lubinia bo nie moge aha ale mowisz zajebiscie dliugo a co tam u michala a skad ja mam wiedziec nie wiem ale chyba dobrze a co ? tak sie pytam moge do ciebie przyjechac w niedziele mam czas wiec moge do ciebie wpasc nie dzieki ja jestem teraz zajeta czym jestes zajeta ???????????????????????????? niewazne mam swoje sprawy spadam juz nie ma co robic na tym beznadziejnym ircu jak chcesz ale i tak cie znajde no no pwodzenia 韓国の友達がきて友達と話してると思われます。 分けわかんないけど、何はなしてるかわかる神様お願いです。
マニラでシャブ(覚せい剤)で韓国人逮捕! South Korean arrested in Manila The Philippines: A 45-year-old South Korean man was arrested at his Manila apartment by narcotics police Wednesday. www.hnnsweden.com/external/02nov23-005.htm Police found 1 kilo of methamphetamine hydrochloride, commonly known as ‘ice’, in the man’s home. If convicted of possessing the drugs the man may face death penalty.
英語圏でたぶん一番メジャーと思われる日本史入門サイト。 http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/ANCJAPAN/CONTENTS.HTM Paekche understood the strategic importance of Japan and so entered into alliance with the Yamato state. 同盟関係と書いてあるね。 これでもコピペしる?
>>>>> "Wing" == Wing C Ng <[email protected]> writes: >> Albert Einstein is Korean. Stephen Hawking is Korean. Marie >> Curie is Korean. Mozart is Korean. Chopin is Korean. >> Beethoven is Korean. Leibniz is Korean. Cauchy is Korean. >> Von Neumann is Korean. Fermat
OK, let's talk about Ching. The "King of Mergen" (Aishigiro Dorgun) of Ching led the second invasion into Korea in 17th century. His army fucked almost all you Korean officials' (i.e. that shitty yangban) wives and daughters. Your grand...grand...mom must have been one of them. He even fucked two Korean princesses in front of his army. These fucking actions also definitely made you guys very very very very close to the Manchus genetically hahahahah, shameless drunken Korean swines.
>s is over-simplified. As for Yamato, she formed alliances with both Silla and Paekche, and>also fought Koguryo, Paekche and Silla. 三国史記 百済本紀 第三、阿[辛*]王六年<三九七>五月条 「腆支王。<或は直支と云う。>……阿の在位第三年の年に立ちて太子と為る。六年、出でて倭国に質す。 人質を出していなかった王のリストをあげて欲しい。
(これ18代???)
>Baekje was the master in the earlier times, then China was the master in the later times.. >after around 600 a.d. japan's focus started shifting from Baekje to Sui, which had just uni>fied China.. more things to learn from Sui than Baekje 日本、中国、韓国どこの史料にもありません。 逆に、全羅南道で、日本式の前方後円墳が発掘されています。古墳は権力者が、力を誇示するために作った墓です。百済は倭国の支配下にあったといえるし、史書とも調和がとれています。
>could you tell me what year this record is from? >i'm having trouble finding it.. 815年に完成しています。
> we see that Domo must be the same person as Jumong (神武が韓国系とかの与太話でしょうか?何かいてるのかわかりません)
>ancient Japanese records indicate that the vast majority of the elite >clans of Yamato Japan traced their origins to Korea - most of them to Baekje. そのようには記載されていません。
>And why would an estimated 200,000 refugees >from among the elite classes, including the royal court of Baekje, have chosen to escape> to Yamato Japan when they were >defeated by Silla and Tang in the 660s? 20万人の特権階級を持つ国家の人口はいくらになるのでしょうか。 20万人の難民という話はどこからでてきたのでしょうか。 ところで、新羅と百済が別民族ということは常識です。 魏志東夷伝の両国の前身を調べてください。 辰韓は秦の末裔を自称し、それらしき語彙を持つと記録されているし、百済は高句麗と似た言語とあります。
こんなかんじでしょうか?>>147 Three kingdoms history-Paekche King A(阿) the third, 6th year (397) "King Chokushi?(腆支王).....became crown prince in third year of King A era. In year 6th,sent to Wa(Yamato) as hostage."
>20万人の特権階級を持つ国家の人口はいくらになるのでしょうか。 >20万人の難民という話はどこからでてきたのでしょうか。 Could you tell the nation's population which have 200000 in the privileged classes? And I want to know who made the story or should I say "historical documents"?
>ところで、新羅と百済が別民族ということは常識です。 >魏志東夷伝の両国の前身を調べてください。 BTW,It is common knowlidge that people in Silla and Paekche were different races. Please read Gishi Toi Den to find out their past.
BTW,It is common knowledge that people in Silla and Paekche were different ethnicity. Please read Gishi Toi Den to find out their past. Shinkan called themselves as Shin?秦 descendant and they had similar language. Paekche and Kogryo had similarity in their language.
The Paekche dynasty was ethnically different from their own subjects(馬韓人). The official historians of ancient China clearly put on record that the two distinct languages were spoken in Paekche - one among the rulers, and the other among the commons.
The chiefdoms and peoples in Chinhan, out of which the most prominent Silla later emerged, claimed to have been descended from Qin, the first unified Imperial China, and their vocabulary contained some words sounding Chinese, an ancient Chinese historian recorded.
>>106さんに怒られたけど、どう見ても中国には従属してたっぽくない? King of Wa starts in this year to send tribute to the Southern Court in China 古代日本が中国に一時的にせよ従属してたのは間違いではないと思うんだけど駄目なの? あんまりこちらが民族主義に走ると逆に電波扱いされそうだよ。
こんばんわ。 早速レスが入ってますので皆様ご協力お願いします。 no it is not an answer, it was to say that the actual number is not known and there are variety of figures and so we should not slam down the possibility of 100,000. (百済から難民20万人の返答) 実際の数値はわからないけどいろんな説があるので10万はくだらないだろう。
Baekje fell in the later half of 7th century which certainly does not fall in the ancient times, and consider the fact that chinese dynasties, namely Sui or Tang, were able to launch naval offensives with hundred thousand men during the same time frame or earlier, and Baekje was sea-going, capable of contact with lands as far as Miyanmar or Brunei
Japanese record of Kimmei refers to times when Baekje, under its 5th and 6th kings Chogo(167-214), Gusu(214-234), was the Parent and brother to Wa and Wa was the sons and children to Baekje. around 208, Baekje and Wa launched a joint attack against Silla, but Baekje kept all of the conquered lands. also, 14th emperor of Wa Chilai died in 247. 15th emperor Ojin didn't come to the throne until about 390. there is a river in japan called kudarakawa and a region called kudarano(ya) -kudara is the word for Baekje.. according to ゙ネムタ 鉉ムタ, Baekje had subject states in Taiwan, Miyanmar, Thailand, Philippines, Brunei, Java, etc, and the list includes Wa.. all these suggest rather strongly that baekje was suzerain to Wa.
and even after this period, baekje influence was strong in japan, and "master country" can be taken as not neccessarily a direct ruler, but a source of influence and teachings, simliar to the way choson of korea called china "dae-guk" meaning "big country"
just how deep does this influence go? japanese professor モ゙蟇 says Koreans taught japan everything from using metals, metallurgy, metal working, dyeing, lether production, loom weaving, tile production, medicine, calendar, astronomy, construction, architecture, etc, etc, and the list even includes the founding myth of japan being based on korean founding mythologies..
and news paper articles are not exactly tools of propaganda in a non-totalitarian state, and it should not hold bias. if you still are concerned about using korean newspapers, here's something from japanese newspaper, ヤヤフネ肆レ、.礦ワ糜竟・says that Izumo came from Korea even before the Yayoi period, and more Koreans came over to japan afterwards. he also supports the idea that japan was under korean rule, who achieved independence while korean states were in heated battle then became more and more japanese (i'm sure you know of the iitokotori idea). he even goes further and compares this to u.s.'s independence from Britain.
i didn't post it to show you the part about Kanmu's mother, but the part about the imperial and elite clans having their roots in Baekje. 古代日本の特権階級は百済人だった。(と新聞コリアヘラルドに書いてあるだけ)
the japanese clans, like the soga, claimed so themselves (これは日本の記録に貴族の30%は朝鮮人だったとあるという記事に対して私がそんな記録は 存在しないの返答として) でも蘇我氏は百済でしょ?
Baekje held rich Han river valley and the south-western part of the peninsula. even now in RoK, most of the grain comes from those regions that Baekje held. Baekje did not have a problem keeping up its population. (これは20万の貴族がいる国家の人口は?の返答として) 百済には「はん川」があり肥沃な土地だった。 現在の韓国でもそのあたりは穀倉地帯だ。 そのくらいの人口(っていくらよ?)があっても不思議ではない。
Baekje's rulers came from Koguryo, and Koguryo's roots are in Buyo, which was a korean state located in manchuria from fall of Ancient Choson until it fell to Koguryo. Baekje subjects were mostly of the Han, which were located in the south-western part of the peninsula before Baekje came. 百済の支配者は高句麗出身、高句麗のルーツは当時朝鮮の一部であった満州の「ぶよ」 百済の人々は半島南西部に元から住んでいた「はん」
yup, Chinhan people were refugees from Qin who came to the southern part of the Korean peninsula and received land from Mahan, and lived there as traders.. one of their exports was iron to Wa. そのとおり、辰韓の人々は宋の難民、「まはん」の地にに住んで貿易を営んでいた。 そのひとつが倭への鉄輸出。
then japan would have been already under a great influence of China. i'm sure the 30% is at the time right after Baekje's fall. (新撰姓氏録に関して) 815年完成なら)中国人が多くてあたりまえだ。 それ以前は百済人が30%だったのは確かだよ。
at first it was Korean culture to Japan, then it was Chinese culture to Japan through Baekje, then it was Chinese culture to Japan directly from China. (日本は半島を経由して中国文化を輸入したの返答) 最初は朝鮮文化を輸入、次が朝鮮経由中国文化、そして直接中国文化。
at first Baekje was suzerain to Wa, then it was a military support. we can compare this to relationship of Britain with Canada, how at first they were british colonies, then it achieved independence but it still favoured Britain over other nations, and it was involved in British wars like Boar war or WWI.. oh yes, and the british sure ound canada to have great things like fur. まず最初に百済が宗主国であり、そして軍事援助があった。 この関係をカナダとイギリスに当てはめてみよう、最初はイギリスの植民地、そして独立するが 未だにイギリスに親近感を抱いている。 そしてイギリスの戦争に参加し、毛皮のような素晴らしい物を見つけた。(?よくわからん)
>Japanese record of Kimmei refers to times when Baekje, > under its 5th and 6th kings Chogo(167-214), Gusu(214-234), was the[「Parent >and brother to Wa and Wa was the sons and children to Baekje]. ChogoとかGusuとかなに書いてあるかわからないけど 欽明天皇の任那復興会議については 読んだことありました。 []に囲んだところ、確か正反対です。 どなたか、日本書紀の原文のリンクありませんか?
>the japanese clans, like the soga, claimed so themselves 蘇我氏は八代目の天皇である孝元天皇の第5皇子(ひこふつおしのまことのみこと)の 子孫で皇別です。 有名な先祖に武内宿禰(たけしうちのすくね)がいます 神功皇后の朝鮮半島征伐で活躍した人物です。 −−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−−− のようですが、もとになった文献わかりませんか? クラウディウスの子のブリタニクスがイギリス人だったって話 レベルの百済人根拠説は見つけたけど。
Actually, it was not until 4th century that Shiragi (Silla) or Kudara (Baekje) first appeared as a nation. They were merely villages in 3rd century (Wa was already regarded as a kingdom like Koukuri (Koguryo) by Chinese government at that time, though).
Moreover, Koukuri threatened Kudara in 5th century, and Kudara had to move its capital from 漢山 to 熊津, subsequently losing some its territory. So Kudara formed alliances with Shiragi and Wa, while asked both North and South Chinese Kingdom for help. They made a desperate effort to survive.
After re-moving its capital and changing its name into 南扶餘 in 6th century, Kudara was invaded by Shiragi and Koukuri again. Finally Kudara was completely ruined in 7th century. Of course Kudara sometimes beat Koukuri or Shiragi, but it had never taken the leading position.
Therefore, it doesn't make any sense that Kudara possessed or dominated Wa. And actually, things like which you wrote aren't seen in formal history records of Shiragi, Koukuri, and even Kudara, let alone China.
さてそろそろまとめたいと思います。 >>228 Baekjae was much smaller than Tang. What Tang could do was not always what Baekjae could do. BTW, what was Baekjae's population? Did you figure out?
I believe it was Korean residents area like between 32nd Street and 34th Street in Manhattan. So you think Korean s rule America? そこは朝鮮人居住区だったようだね。マンハッタンのコリアンタウンみたいに。 それじゃ君はコリアンがアメリカを支配してると思うの?
There are a few Korean historians with scholarly conscience who resolutely object to the chauvinistically glorified version of their history that prevails among the compatriots.
これは史記五帝本紀なのかどうか確認したほうがいいですよね? Is it really Chinese 史記五帝本紀?(あちらでは何て読むのか?) Goteihonki is the first volume of Shiki, the period which Baekjae didn't even exist.
>>241 蘇我氏の件はそういう説もあるし、そうでない説もある。 人口の件は先のとおり。 >>242 through >>243中国人が多くてあたりまえだ。それ以前は百済人が30%だったのは確かだよ。 Then why don't you show some evidence. だから何か証拠出せよ。
http://www.hollym.co.kr/english/history/koreanimpactonjapaneseculture.html Jon Carter Covell was the first Westerner to obtain a doctorate in Oriental art history, which she studied at Columbia University. She later taught art history for fifteen years at California State University, before moving to Honolulu to become Professor of Japanese and Korean Art History at the University of Hawaii. She received a Fulbright Senior Scholar Research Grant in 1978. She co-authored a volume titled "Korea's Cultural Roots."
Inferiority Complexes Sampoong Click here to see all messages by Sampoong (Jan 29 2003 - 13:33)
I have to agree with Hikozaemon, but on a different tangent.
The only time in Japan that I have ever witnessed an inferiority complex across an entire society was when a group of Koreans were obnoxiously boasting about how superior their country is because they invented some useless turtle boat back 500 years ago, because their cell phones are smaller than Japanese ones (not sure if that equals better quality) and also because the average height of Korean high school males is 1 inch higher than those of their Japanese counterparts. They sure were adamant on drilling these facts into me, a westerner, so that I would never ever even stop to think that any part of Japanese or Western culture could ever be superiror to that of Korea's!
Inferiority Complexes Sampoong Click here to see all messages by Sampoong (Jan 29 2003 - 13:33)
I have to agree with Hikozaemon, but on a different tangent.
The only time in Japan that I have ever witnessed an inferiority complex across an entire society was when a group of Koreans were obnoxiously boasting about how superior their country is because they invented some useless turtle boat back 500 years ago, because their cell phones are smaller than Japanese ones (not sure if that equals better quality) and also because the average height of Korean high school males is 1 inch higher than those of their Japanese counterparts. They sure were adamant on drilling these facts into me, a westerner, so that I would never ever even stop to think that any part of Japanese or Western culture could ever be superiror to that of Korea's!
Inferiority Complexes Sampoong Click here to see all messages by Sampoong (Jan 29 2003 - 13:33)
I have to agree with Hikozaemon, but on a different tangent.
The only time in Japan that I have ever witnessed an inferiority complex across an entire society was when a group of Koreans were obnoxiously boasting about how superior their country is because they invented some useless turtle boat back 500 years ago, because their cell phones are smaller than Japanese ones (not sure if that equals better quality) and also because the average height of Korean high school males is 1 inch higher than those of their Japanese counterparts. They sure were adamant on drilling these facts into me, a westerner, so that I would never ever even stop to think that any part of Japanese or Western culture could ever be superiror to that of Korea's!
Baekje's name comes from 百家濟海 meaning hundred families crosses seas. a record of Baekjesun (type of ship) says it was 250m long, capable of carrying 150 people. that's enough to go to the indian ocean, let alone south-east asia. chinese history speaks of YosoBaekje, WoljuBaekje, etc - these were Baekje lands in china. Baekje ruled overseas colonies using Damra - Damro system, and we can still trace them using their names - Damunri, Dasuri, Tamra in Korea, Daemado which is tsushima, Damada in Japan, Damsuman, Damsudo, Damsugaeng in China, Damsuhaeng, Damsusa in Taiwan, etc.. and more in other countries i named before.. i'm using korean pronouciation here, so it may be a little bit different when you look for them yourself.. btw, isn't there a "damro" in the japanese founding myth?
・Jonの性別を間違えている。 ・「彼の説が100%正しいなんて云っていない」などと詭弁を弄している上に、master countryには全く触れず。 ・睿氏の指摘の通り、百済の名前の起源で与太話を飛ばしている。 ・原典名を示せって云ったのに、百済船のソースを示さず。 ・tsushima, Damada in Japan, Damsuman, Damsudo, Damsugaeng in China, Damsuhaeng, Damsusa in Taiwanが、百済の植民地だったと、これまた根拠示さずに主張。 ・欽明二年六月の項を、これまたお得意の読み間違い(韓国のサイトにいっぱい載ってるんだろうね、この間違い) ・日本書紀の年代問題を、日本が百済を占領していないことを示すのに使った(この辺、読み間違いかな)と云いつつ、同じ日本書紀の年代が曖昧な記事を百済が日本を占領したことを示すのに利用している。 ・the year of the attack 208 comes from Samguksagi.←何じゃこれ? ・広開土王碑文に関する、李進煕などの古い学説を信奉している。 ・kudaraという言葉の由来を聞いてるけど、これは彼がクンナラ電波を信じていると云うことか? でも、なぜmasterになる? ←この点突っつく価値有りか? ・最後は言わずもがなの詭弁。
http://members.aol.com/Chachakunn//wajinden.html 魏志倭人伝の漢英対訳してるページ。 ●里程の初めの部分 The route that reaches Japan from TAIHOU prefecture is shown in the following. Go by ship along the coastline of Korea. And go zigzag , to east and south direction , through the South Korean land. Then you can arrive at the north shore of the Japanese capital. The name of this shore's land is KOYA-KANKOKU. ( KOYA-KANKOKU is the Pusan area of South Korea in the 21st century. ). The distance from TAIHOU to KOYA-KANKOKU is about 7,000 RI. ( RI is the unit of the length, and is equivalent to 75 meters in the 21st century . ).
I hate you gooks! If you fuckers think you are so great, then why don't you live in your own country? You don't want to be a minority, so go back to where you're not one. What the hell is wrong with you idiots, and what does your kind want with our country. You have a country... Use it. I know you fuckers come here because your country sucks.. You know why it sucks? Because it's filled with gooks that make it suck. Now you come here and make our country suck.. GO HOME!!! 「そんなに偉大な民族ならなんで自分達の国に住まないんだ? ・・・ 知ってるよ。お前らの国がクソだからだろ。なんでお前らの国がクソだか教えて やろうか。クソな民族が住んでいるからだよ。で、今度はおれたちの国をクソに しようってか?とっとと国に帰れ!!!」
yea im korean and im proud. let me tell you why koreans are cocky and insecure. its because we got invaded by japan. thats what caused us to become somewhat selfish and untrustworth so try to understand.
The bearers of the core ancestral language from which Modern Japanese is derived, started colonizing Kyushu, and then Honshu from 364AD on, mainly mounted conquistadors from the Korean Peninsular kingdom of Paekche (Called Kudara in Japanese historical documents). These horse riding colonists brought to the islands advanced material cultures of the mainland and founded the military state of Yamato near Nara, Honshu, and started successive conquests against the various "barbarians" already inhabiting the country (for more details on the Kudara conquest and the ethnogenesis of the Japanese nation, please see William Caraway, Korea in The Eyes of The Tiger). About AD 405, the Japanese court officially adopted the Chinese writing system. During the sixth century, Buddhism was introduced. These two events revolutionized Japanese culture and marked the beginning of a long period of Chinese cultural influence. From the establishment of the first fixed capital at Nara in 710 until 1867, the emperors of the Yamato dynasty were the nominal rulers, but actual power was usually held by powerful court nobles, regents, or "shoguns" (military governors).
HeavenGamesにあった投稿 U:"Baekje was sea-going, capable of contact with lands as far as Miyanmar or Brunei(snip) according to 史記、五帝記, Baekje had subject states in Taiwan, Miyanmar, Thailand, Philippines, Brunei, Java, etc, and the list includes Wa.."
昨日、いくつか出したメールに2通返事が届いてたが、2通とも同じ会社で 内容が正反対。 一通目はこれ。 Thank you for your feedback.
I placed the "East Sea" caption next to the caption "Sea of Japan" as a courtesy to the Koreans who keep complaining that they find the erm offensive.
You and I and the rest of the world refer to it as the Sea of Japan and we all know what we mean by it, namely the body of water between your two countries.
So, there is no need for further debate. The Koreans will keep calling it "East Sea" and the rest of the world will keep calling it Sea of Japan, regardless of what you and I think or do.
2通目はその1分後に来ていた。(抜粋)
Lately however, I have been receiving this incessant spam from people in Japan, maniacally protesting the mere fact that I added the caption "East Sea" next to the caption "Sea of Japan" on one of my maps, which I did as a courtesy to Korean visitors.
I placed the "East Sea" caption next to the caption "Sea of Japan" as a courtesy to the Koreans who keep complaining that they find the term offensive. 「日本海」という語が不快だ、と文句を言いつづける韓国人への 好意(優遇)で、併記を決定した。
あとの二つは rule を occupation に戻された。 ttp://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korea This was not neutralized, it was pro-Japanized -- all non-Japanese sources call this period the occupation of Korea, not Japanese rule.
Korean Studies Internet Discussion List KOREAN STUDIES REVIEW
Hyung Il Pai, Constructing "Korean" Origins: A Critical Review of Archaeology, Historiography, and Racial Myth in Korean State Formation Theories. Cambridge, Mass., and London: Harvard East Asian Monographs, 2000. 543 pages. ISBN: 0-674-00244-X.
yahooのフォード掲示板にヒュンダイマンセー発言。嫌われるだけなのに。 ruleはアメリカの俗語で「抜群である。最高である。」という意味。 --- Why Hyundais Rule by: allmetfanclub 02/14/03 08:13 am Msg: 693 of 695 too many reasons to state.
visit the hyundai board and learn why every hyundai is better than any honda, toyota, ford, etc.
それでhyundaiの方に行ってみたが、強い電波がいました。 一応このスレの過去発言を調べて既出ではないようなのでアップします。 選民思想爆発です。 --- usa should bow to korea!!!!! loserz!!!! by: korearulez2000 01/24/03 07:08 pm Msg: 426 of 555 thank us for great hyundai/kia cars!!!!! ford,chrysler and gmc suck!!!!!!!! stupid americanz,buy hyundai and bow to korea!!!!!!!
koreans are the best and chosen people on the earth!!!!!!!!
学生さんが、これは典型的なコリアンだ。同級生のコリアンも同じだ。と紹介。 世界的に理解が進んでいるようです。 --- Re: usa should bow to korea!!!!! loserz! by: maestroamb 01/25/03 06:36 pm Msg: 434 of 555 This is a typical Korean guy. "Stupid American" and "urinah (not sure) is selected people" was common expression among all of my Korean classmates. But what makes this guy more typical of Korean is that he is stupid enough to post this message here. It only hurt your profit.
別のコリアンは、もう少し謙虚でまだクライスラーやGMには追いついてないとのこと。 --- Re: usa should bow to korea!!!!! loserz! by: aukeis (25/M/behind you) 01/26/03 06:36 pm Msg: 436 of 555 Hey I am Korean too but you just embarrass the normal Koreans. Ford, Chrysler and GM has a long history and they made well. Hyundai and Kia cars are good, but I don't think they could beat the American cars yet.
>>601に切れてます。 --- Re: usa should bow to korea!!!!! loserz! by: korearulez2000 01/26/03 10:55 pm Msg: 437 of 555 dye!!!!!!!!!!!!!! u are fU@KIN zAPANESE i bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ヒュンダイはホンダを打ち負かす! --- Hyundai beats Honda in 2 year survey. by: dkuhajda 01/27/03 08:44 pm Msg: 440 of 555 You know what is really sad. The lowly Hyundai Accent has a higher reliability rating than the Honda Accord in a UK survey done by Which? Magazine. (Similar to Consumer Reports but without the bias as they include random sample polls in surveys)
スペースシャトルの事故をあざわらってます。 ちなみにdyeというのは「色を付ける」「染料」という意味ですが、 「染ね!」というような使い方なんでしょうか。 --- usa tech sucks!!!LOL to COLUMBIA!!! by: korearulez2000 02/01/03 01:20 pm Msg: 451 of 555 american technology sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL to space shutlle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
buy HYUNDAI not to dye, OR DYE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
そういえば、コリアンが集まって9-11を祝っていたが、どういうことか分かった。 --- Re: usa tech sucks!!!LOL to COLUMBIA!!! by: bulldogbluebites (M/Bloomington, IN)
Is this guy coming to America to work for new Hyundai plant? Jeez, I seriously hope he doesn't turn to one of those suiside bombers.
What's the problem with you Koreans anyway? They were having party to celebrate 9-11 on campus. I don't know about this time around, but this posting made me almost sure what is going on right now.
Re: usa tech sucks!!!LOL to COLUMBIA!!! by: titelynes
korearulez2000. Rulez? Iz that an hizpanic name? If not perhapz you zhould ztand in front of a U.S. tank like your role modelz in Tieneman Zquare. korearulez? -muzt be a Mexican name- with nimrodz like you working for hyundai it'z no wonder their carz are crap. Try a new line, like DAI, DAI DAI. Seems to me that zoon you will have a nice, big playing field north of you! I notice that the closest Korea ever got to building a space shuttle is flying box kitez! You low tech sad-sack.
selected people:「選民」を意味するなら「chosen people」が適切。 was common expression among all of:「a」が抜けている。allとcommonが重なりくどい。 It only hurt your profit:こういう表現はこういうコンテキストでは普通使わない。 hurtの「s」も抜けている。
What do you,Chinese , think about the issues surrounding Tibet?
Amnesty International says that there are 1.2 million Tibetan people who have died as a direct consequence of Chinese assimilationism. You say ". Suddenly they have become the champions of human right and have quickly forgotten the bloody crimes commited by their forefathers not very long ago." Let me ask you ,between violations of human rights committed during a somewhat barbarous period of the mid~20th century and the ones commited at this moment ,which of those are more relevant and important for us right now? We Japanese had learned many lessons through hard experience when we got defeated in WWU. Consequently we become one of the most pacifist nations in the world. Since that time, we have never fought a war!It is true that , in recent years in Japan, there are a growing number of people who come to think Japan should rearm . why ? Primary reason for it is repeated infringement of Japanese sovereignty by N.Korea , secondary is persistent animosity towards Japanese by Chinese people, who receive education with an anti~Japanese bias. No matter how Japanese are peaceable and have no hostility, we have the right to protect our lives at .least, don't we? hatred only produces hatred.Hostility only produces hostility.this is fruitless.
Msg #474 ha!damn you!here in japan lots of over staying people are KOREA,CHINESE they dont want to go back in their country 'cuz they cannot earn lot's of money in their country poor poor people!!!!
I find your comments quite unpleasant. I have myself seen a number of Japanese insulting Koreans. Your comments, however, do make me wonder who is the one with no intention of becoming a friend with the others, and from what I understood about so-called a "unltra-anti-Japan parliament member", I personally didn't think he is as anti as yourself, or at least he certainly is able to understand people. In fact, he seems to have said that he has seen some kindness in Japanese people. I wouldn't describe a person like him as what you have said. Why don't you look that for yourself - this is what you have said:
sihanoukoはとりあえず、japなんて言う人に何も言うことはないと逃げ。それに対して、ones_imaginationは、謝罪するとともに質問に答えろよ。 --- by: sihanouko Posted on: 02/03/03 21:21 Msg #481
>How would you know that Koraens have no >intention to be friends with Japs?
I really don't have much to say to somebody who calls us "Japs".
by: ones_imagination (20/M/Melbourne) Posted on: 02/03/03 21:26 Msg #482
Oh sorry,
I didn't mean to be descriminative if that is what you thought. I correct it myself, sorry: I meant "Japanese".
Now you have picked my mistake, yet you haven't answered to what I addressed, or are you not going to answer just like some people who just lose their words to say?
それから、もうひとつ、 I have myself seen a number of Japanese insulting Koreans. について、どこでどういうふうに侮辱されている韓国人をみたのか、詳しく たずねた方がいいね。今の日本では、朝鮮人に対してはこれでもか、って程 気を使っていて、嫌がらせを受けているのは却ってこっちだし。この人は 中韓のプロパカンダをそのまま信じている英語圏韓国移民の学生なんじゃない?
My greatgrand parents and their children (my grandparents) came from Korea after Japan annexed the peninsula. So they were Koreans. Though many Koreans like to say they were forced to come to Japan,my grandparents told me the real reasons why Koreans came to Japan. They all came here to look for better jobs,better life. No one was really forced to come here. I actually speak some Korean. Even though my ethnic background is Korean,my country is nothing but Japan.
今、コリアンは日本について嘘ばっかり並べ、金をせびり、あれをするな、これを するなと要求してくる。韓国の海軍は日本に上陸して占領する訓練してるし、 北朝鮮は核で脅してくる。おれたちはもう、やつらの嘘、要求、恐喝にうんざり してるんだ。 --- Now,Koreans like to make up a bunch of lies about Japan,asking us for money,telling us to change the designs of our money,telling us to change laws,telling us to change the names of places,telling us not to go to Yasukuni shrine.... South Korean Marines' trainings are designed to land Japan and occupy this country. I guess we have to get ready to fight against them to protect ourselves,starting off with cutting off their financial sources. North Koreans threaten to nuke us. We are sick and tired of dealing with their lies, demands, threats...
おれは、日本には感謝してるんだ。コリアによくしてくれたからな。 おれたちにとって、コリアの指導者を扱うのは、あんたらがアルカイダやオサマ ビンラディンを扱うようなもんだ。資金源を断って戦争の準備をするべきだろ。 オーストラリアはアルカイダのターゲットの一つで、実際にオーストラリア人 もバリで殺されている。だから、テロリストと戦うことについておれが言った ことは分かってもらえると思うんだ。 --- I feel nothing but appreciation for this country,Japan. It did great things to Korea.
For us, dealing with Korean leaders is like for you to deal with Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden. You gotta cut the money-source and get ready to fight. Since Australia is one of the Al Qaeda's targets and they targetted and actually killed Australians in Bali,you may understand what I mean about fighting against terrorists.
Like the example, friendship will be made naturally little by little at the personal level even it is difficult to do so at the nation level. So how about discussing friendship between Japan and Korea at the PERSONAL level. If you do so, this topic room will be also a good topic room.
そうはいってもsihanoukoはコリアンだけあって電波も出します。 日本語は韓国語から来ていて、1500年前は同じ言葉をしゃべっていた。 と言っています。 --- To joe_gth by: sihanouko Posted on: 03/03/03 01:20 Msg #485
Surprised,I studied the background of my Japanese language and I found out there is one common theory that Japanese language actually came from Korean which also has the same grammar.
Also this theory includes that ancestors of Japanese were mostly Koreans...and some Chinese,some S.E.Asians.... There actually are some documents to prove that about 1500 years ago,Japanese and Koreans used to speak the same language. So I guess that we are racially pretty much the same,though our identities are totally different.
http://www.japan-guide.com/forum/disdisplay.html ↑この掲示板にも結構変なのがきますね。韓国人かは分かりませんが。 現在、SAINT という奴が "What is Japan's view on Christianity?" のスレで 日本人にはモラルがないとかかましてます。 あと "What do foreign people think about Japanese girls?" で日本人女性 の IQ は世界的水準からみて非常に低いとかいう発言をして削除されちゃってます。 まだなんか言いたげです。
Shiragi and Kudara regard Japan as country where is large and there are many rare stuffs . More they respect and always come and go there by sending messangers .
>>701 こんなんでどお? 間に合うか? Shiragi and Kudara regarded Japan as a powerful country that was full of rarities, and they looked up with respectation and consistently sent emissaries to it.
yahoo掲示板に、日本はかつて中国と韓国を侵略したけど、過去は過去という 中国人登場。でも、ちょとおかしい。 --- Japan-Bashing should Stop by: martynzhu Posted on: 08/03/03 02:50 Msg #502 I am a Chinese, my father fought the Japanese. But it is histroy. Why cannot we forget the past and just look to the future? True, Japanese invaded China and Korea, True, Japanese committed atrocities. But we all should remember Past wrongs are past wrongs. Let's forgive, and let's join hands. Frankly, I like Japanese, they are very disciplined, well mannered, but I also feel disappointed with the Japanese: past wrongs should be acknowledged, denial can only harm the victims' feelings. Germany can openly accept their guilt for the past wrongs, but Japan cannot.
中国人は、さらに続けます。父は国民党の軍人で共産党員に牢獄に入れられた ので日本人のおかした残虐行為は共産党のプロパガンダじゃない。 私もかつて日本が嫌いだったが今は日本人を愛している。 日本人も"I Love Koreans!"っていえYO。 --- If you hate Japanese, think again. I say loudly: I Love Japanese! If you are a Japanese, and you hate Koreans, I hope you can proudly say "I Love Koreans!". Hatred will only make us all angrier, and will only make our world more dangerous.
my father's generation fought Japanese, I heard lots of the atrocities committed by the Japanese (not communist propaganda, he was the army officer under the National Party's governement, and put in prison by the communists after the communists took power), I used to hate Japanese, but not any more. Forgiveness and Love will make us all good friends.
sihanoukoは冷たく突き放す。悪いけど中国人に謝るつもりはねーよ。 おれはなんにも悪いことしてないからな。たいていの日本人はそう考えてるよ。 --- Thanks,but you don't have to forgive us by: sihanouko Posted on: 08/03/03 05:18 Msg #503
I like Chinese people too. They were really nice when I went to Shianghai and GuongDong.
But,I cannot really say sorry about anything to Chinese people because I haven't done anything bad to you people. I think most of the Japanese feel this way. It's quite unlikely that we are going to apologize to you.
解放軍は、たくさんのチベット人を殺し、ダライラマを追放したし、 新疆でも、法輪功でも人を殺した。そうそう、ドイツは謝罪してなんか いなよ。調べてみな。 --- Chinese People's Liberation Army has been killing hundreds of thousands of Tibetans and made Dalai Lama seek exile in India. Now,this is not the past,but is an on-going thing...Would you like to apologize to people in Tibet? How about thousands of Muslims being tortured to death in XinJiang? How about Falun Gong worshippers also being tortured to death.
Oh,just for your information,Germany has never formally apologized to any country. Surprising, huh?! Check it if you don't believe me.
yahoo掲示板に新手のコリアン登場。sihanoukoに質問する。 おれはnative Koreanだ。質問あるんだけど、なんで在日って法律上の国籍で、 特殊な位置に居続けてるんだ?在日はコリアンでも日本人でもないって感じてる って聞いたことがあるよ。もし自分が日本に所属するべきと考えてるなら、 なんだって未だに日本国籍を取らないんだ? --- But a question here,
I am still wondering why many of Korean descent Japanese still remain as peculiar position in legal nationality aspect.
I once heard that they feel themseves neighter Koreans nor Japanese.(sorry if I was wrong)
If they realize that the Japanese society is really the right place where they should completely adapt themselves ,why many of them still remain as not adopt Japanese nationality?
sihanoukoの返事。質問は2つあると思う。なぜ多くの在日が帰化し ないのかだが、実際は毎年多くの在日は帰化している。 彼らの親は、デモなどいろんな反日活動をしており、子供たちにも コリアンであることを強制している。だが、大きくなったら彼らも 父親が間違ってることに気づいて、帰化するんだ。 --- Q1. Why many Koreans don't get naturalized....
A1. Actually, most Koreans in Japan DO GET NATURALIZED and become Japanese.
First . They've received a lot of political education from their parents. A lot of parents force their children to believe that they're Koreans, not Japanese. Second. But after they've grown up, they know the reality better. Their fathers have joined in demonstrations and all kinds of protests against the Japanese gov't before. A lot of them come to think that their fathers were actually wrong. Third. Most of them get naturalized.
第二の問題は、在日が日本人かコリアンかでとまどってるかってことだけど、 親が反対するので、在日続けているやついるよ。韓国に言葉ならいにいったりね。 おれたちの親は50〜60代だけど未だにアイデンティティに悩んでる。 共産主義者や社会主義者に利用されてることもある。 --- Q2. If they feel lost, not sure if they are Japanese or Koreans.
A2. Some stay as Korean citizens because their parents strongly oppose their naturalization. Those are ones who are, as you've mentioned, lost in the world, don't know whether they are Koreans or Japanese. Some of them go to Korea to learn Korean language and also to seek their identity. Our parents' generation, usually in their 50's and 60's still struggle with their identity. They are the ones that hold rallies against Japanese gov't with the help of Communists and Socialists. Basically, the lost Koreans are being used by the Japanese Communists and Socialists.
亀レスでスマソ。 ttp://www.gamespy.com/articles/february03/ron8/ the Japanese admiral Togo said, "You may wish to compare me with Lord Nelson but do not compare me with Korea's Admiral Yi Sun-Sin . . . he is too remarkable for anyone."
"They were taught the five cardinal principles of human relations (kindness, justice, courtesy, intelligence and faith), the six arts (etiquette, music, archery, horsemanship, writing and mathematics), the three scholar occupations (royal tutor, instructor and teacher), and the six ways to serve the government (holy minister, good minister, loyal minister, wise minister, virtuous minister and honest minister)."
I think racism applies much stronger to Koreans and Chinese here whereas other races are too different to even be considered for what westerners understand as standard racism. we rather more cop the gaijinism.
それに対してのレスで唐突に yukie yamanaka? (仲間由紀江?)が好きって
Yep... Bigtime.
Those damn koreans. Too bad japan is like this. I like yukie yamanaka.... She is swell..
『宋書』倭国伝 451年倭百済新羅任那秦韓慕韓六国諸軍事安東大将軍と中国からも軍事権を認められていた。 In the 28th year of Genka (451), Sei, the King of Wa, was also given the position of the envoy and military commander, governor-general of military affairs in the seven countries of Wa, Paekche, Shilla, Imna (Mimana), Kara, Shin and Kanbo and the General of Anto was restored to its original form. Also the 23 men whose names were presented to the emperor were appointed as generals and district chiefs.
478年、外交権も認められた。 Then Emperor Jun handed down an imperial decree and declared Bu the envoy and military commander, governor-general of military affairs in the six countries of Wa, Shilla, Imna (Mimana), Kara, Shin and Kanbo and the Great General of Anto, King of Wa. http://www.rekihaku.ac.jp/kenkyuu/shinpo/173.gif
『隋書』倭国伝 新羅、百済は、倭国を大国と敬仰していた。 In Shilla and Paekche it was thought that Wa was a great nation which possessed many rare things. Both countries respected and revered Wa and regularly sent enjoys. http://www.rekihaku.ac.jp/kenkyuu/shinpo/174.gif
Who said Japanese culture is premature? In deed, Japanse doesn't have own culture at all. Sorry, Japanese for telling the truth. If you insist that Japanese should have own unique culture, it will be the spirit of the picture. I can't figure out anything more. (A US pilot beheaded by Japanese AFTER the Japanese emperor annouced surrender.) 誰が日本の文化は幼稚だと言ってるの? 実際は日本は全くといっていいほど独自の文化を持っていないよ ごめん、真実を言っちゃった… もし日本人が独自の文化を持つべきだと言うなら、それは↓写真のようなものなるだろう。俺には理解できないけど。 (天皇が降伏を宣言した「後」に日本人によって首を切られるアメリカのパイロット)
So called Japanese culture is the culture of old version of Korean Peninsula. 日本の文化と呼ばれるものは朝鮮半島の古い文化のことだよ
Brief culture development of Japan (I) By 500 BC it was still a natural agricultural culture without cities, even villages. Outside forces led it to cultural development. There are three major events: (1) Contacting with and importing of Korean culture, such as weaving, metals, art and government; (2) Korean horse soldier arrived in Japan in AD 200, and; (3) Korean introduced Buddhism to Japan in AD as a religious and philosophical system merging with native Shinto beliefs.
Negatively, Japan is a premature country, which has no identity, no culture and no principles, no just and no independent thinkers. it like a skyscrape built on the unstable mountain cliff, so it need long time to built its foundation to prevent collapse. 日本はアイデンティティ、文化、主義主張、自立した思想家を持ってない未成熟な国 不安定な山の上に高層ビルを建てるようなものだから崩解を防ぐ土台を作るために長い時間が必要
Do you remember the local residents of East Timor opposed dispatch of Japanese Self Defense Forces to the Peacekeeping Operation in East Timor? Everybody knows Japanese are not peace keepers but bunches of little evils. 東チモールの住民が平和維持活動のための自衛隊派遣に反対したこと覚えてる? みんな日本人は平和維持軍なんかじゃなくて悪の集団だということを知ってるよ
they forget African civilization, jumped to Korean civilization platform, and then jumped to European civilization platform. 日本人は、朝鮮文明とそのあとのヨーロッパ文明の元であるアフリカ文明のことを忘れてる (古い順に、アフリカ文明>朝鮮文明>ヨーロッパ文明ってことらしい…)
As long as Japanese as a whole mourn both dead fools in the Yasukuni Shrine and in NagaHiro, civilized people shouldn’t pay mercy to dead fools in NagaHiro; furthermore, bombing Japanese with A-bombs is automatically justified. This is simple logic. Japanese are bunches of small heads with crazy ideas.
The fact of the matter is that Koreans hate the Japanese simply because it makes them feel better about themselves. Its nationalistic pride. A common enemy to unite the country. And Japan is the obvious target.
The fact of the matter is that most Koreans don't even know much about what happened to Korea before WW2, and simply live in an ignorant world of hatered toward Japan brought down throught the generations of resentment.
yahooの掲示板に変な日本人aga410登場。 おれの国だぁ?えらそうに日本に住んでるだけのくせに、日本を代表して しゃぺんじゃないよ。goodbye kankokujin --- Re: to Mr. Sihanoukosan by: aga410 Posted on: 11/03/03 23:06 Msg #517
my country??? you dont own japan!!! youre just one of the few arrogant concieted persons living in japan,,,,my japanese relatives and friends from tokyo and kyoto university are totally different from you,,,,,,,,,speak only for yourself,,,,,,(not in behalf of japan),,,,,,,goodbye kankokujin
やれやれ、日本人のレイシストと話してるかと思うとがっかりだ。 みんなに読ませたくないよ。my own peopleを困らせたくないんだ。 --- by: sihanouko Posted on: 12/03/03 02:09 Msg #519
goodbye kankokujin *Translation: Goodbye,Korean
I'm pretty disappointed that I was actually talking to a racist Japanese.
People who read your sentences will feel sorry for your intelligence level and poor comprehension. I just hope that not many people are going to read them. I don't want to embarrass my own people,no matter how silly they are.
Don't speaking to that guy. It's a waste of time to listen to such a pointless noise which seems to come from 2ch. --- aga410が謝罪するも、意味不明なことを口走り始める。皮肉のようだ。 あんたは日本人だったのね。 --- by: aga410 I'm really sorry too,,,forgive me for what i have said, i really didnt mean that, i know youre a japanese and the whole japan must be thankful for you, for defending the whole country against criticism, they must be proud of having someone like you,,,,i admire you,,,honestly,,,i wonder your children are very cute, mixture of japanese and american,,,,,,,,,,,you know,, im only a plain housewife,,,,,,,sorry for disturbing you,,,,jya ganbatte ne
asian crap by: rrpreisler 06/11/02 08:06 pm ttp://messages.yahoo.com/bbs?.mm=FN&action=m&tid=750047610&sid=750003530&mid=38 first to the guy that said american cars are crap you can blow your jap rice burner out your ass, the only good jap car is an rx-7 thats because of the rotary, everything else sucks especially this HYUN-DIE, Europeans and Americans are the only people that actually know how to make good, reliable cars. (no offence to anybody). --- RX-7以外の日本車はクソ!特にこのヒュンダイってやつ。というひといますた。
>>881 Do you ever understand English? I wouldn't intend to accuse 2ch at all. If you've got any comment about that, post a message on the linked page please.
>>849 I wasn't just carefull enough to pay attention to such a mistake.
カスタマーレポートの信頼性リストで、現代をホンダの次の2位になってから、 この現代バッシングのこのスレに書き込む人がいなくなったね。 Ever since Consumer Reports came out and listed Hyundai tied with Honda for 2nd on the reliability list...nobody has been on here Hyundai bashing! LOL
It's difficult what I think of my fellow Japanese when it comes to war . Most kids have been educated that what Japan did in WW2 was al l wrong, and that Japan owes it to the Americans (there's room for argument here IMO, but I'm not going to talk about it here). But they also missed out the part where Japan was brutal to neighboring countries during the days of the Empire of the Rising Sun...so I cant blame how some Chinese and Koreans still have grudges against the Japanese.
I was educated outside of Japan, so I can't really relate to their thought process. But I'll just say this...kids these days blabber all these stuff about peace and justice without even knowing their own history...sad I tell ya... http://forums.gaming-age.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=27785&highlight=Japanese なんかえらくムカツクンデスガ。 WW2の日本を正当化してください。
Ogi's April Fool's Joke? Ando (Apr 2 2003 - 07:45)
Strange. South Korean and US intelligence there was no launch, but Japan says there was...maybe they say later..."We're looking into it" they say a bit after that. Take a look at some Korean news sites.
So, dg1000, there was no "warmongering". North Korea has often conducted tests of it's missiles. It's only really since they shot one OVER Japan that the media has gone crazy with each launch.
Imaginary missiles - just more evidence that the Japanese government has lost it completely.
Twice! noharness (Apr 2 2003 - 08:47)
This is the second time that Japanese intelligence has reported something that neither US nor ROK intelligence has reported. Don't be so quick to call the Japanese crazy. It may turn out that they are releasing information the others aren't.
>Yep. Japanese have a sort of rivalry with the Chinese that's >not much different from the rivalry between the French and >British.
I thought that the Japanese had a bit more of a rivalry with both the Chinese and the Koreans, almost to the point of nazi-like cleansing.
I'm sure this is more historical than the current feeling, but I'm certain that just like the KKK or neo-nazis exist in the US, these sorts of people lurk just behind the curtains over there...
-- Davyd Stormtree Proud Member of the Committee, Rocky Mountain Cabal Bring on the Lunar Inquisition
>I'm not sure about Koreans being open to the Japanese. I had >a class with a Korean instructor and there were 3 Korean >students, there were 2 Japanese students and 6 or different >ethnic groups, mostly Americans. The instructor and the 3 >Korean students started making jokes about the Japanese >language, culture, and pronunciation of English words to the >point that the Japanese students stopped going to class. They >would only come for tests and they were teased at that time by >the Koreans.
Not that its OK for them to do so but the Koreans do have some valid reasons for hating the Japanese, as does most of Asia for that matter. The Japanese were not known for being exactly kind to the people of the various countries that they occupied during WW II.
But then again, the 3 major Asian peoples, Koreans, Chinese, & Japanese, have traditionally never really gotten along all that well. Korea, for example, has been alternately occupied by the Chinese and the Japanese at various times in their history. The Chinese, or the Mongols to be more precise, had attempted to invade Japan twice in ancient times. Then during 30's to the end of WW II the Japanese brutally occupied a good portion of China.
Considering past history, its amazing that all of Asia gets along as well as they do today. There's been a lot of bad blood in Asia over the centuries, luckily this doesn't seem to have had a lasting effect in the region.
みんなが忘れたころにもう一度Rise of Nationsの話題。 Favorite civ and whyってスレを見ると、 案の定Koreansだけ飛びぬけて強い設定になっているようだ。
bobpfefのコメント: Koreans (the best civ hands down, perhaps overpowered)
Blamerのコメント: Koreans are extremely powerful right now. They pretty much get it all -- lots of free citizens. Free temple upgrades (these are critical techs). This alone saves you a LOT of food, and a decent amount of wood and gold. This is much more directly applicable to the critical early ages of the game than the Greek bonus.
Oh, and did I mention special early age archers (starting in Ancient) AND siege. In addition to that, Koreans get cheap towers (easier to get attrition early on) and quick repair rates (this can save your cities, it's not like you don't have enough citizens to spare).
Other than these glaring outliers, most of the civs seem pretty middle-of-the-road to me.
Wh1te_Kn1ghtのコメント: The koreans are a serious powerhouse right now. I'll often find myself getting civic before science just to get those extra 5 villies early. The free temple and upgrades makes sacking your capitol that much harder, especially for a rush. Haven't used their UU's much (I prefer heavy + light infantry to archers), but they look fun.
JOEwarmongerのコメント: KOREANS?! what the F*** why do games make the Koreans overpowered every time. when every one knows in Real Life they are not that powerful and never where!!!