Oh! I'm happy to see someone who has the same thought right now! I'm not good at English. But I believe we can improve our English skill if we discuss something in English, even if we dont good at English.
>>4 You're right. It will help us get more used to English to write something in English through some interesting topics we have in common or share with each other. So what do you want to talk about?
>>10 I totally totally agree. Most people will not wear fur coats if they saw a video footage of how animals are killed for fur. The cruelty comes out of ignorance. (And as for the people who actually do the killing and the skinning, god help them go to hell) >>15 Since sometime ago we have the ability to make insulin from recombinant DNA technology using bacteria, so I don't think the pig insulin is much of an issue anymore.
>>16 I've seen plenty of farms, rendering plants, etc and I have no problem eatting meat or wearing leather/fur. Could things be better? Sure. I don't think animals have an id or emotions though. The insulin issue isn't about insulin itself. What about growing an organ in an animal? Transplating heart valves?
Animals do have emotions. Of course they get scared when attacked. If you have a cat or dog, you know what I'm talking about. But that doesn't mean people should stop eating meat or wearing fur. You would surely be traumatized if you watch those gross footages of the animals getting killed. It is a moral issue. Some people are just trying to give a guilt trip to others because they think they are right. It's just another ego out of their self-righteousness. You can eat or wear whatever you like for whatever reason. But you can't push that judgement to other people because of your belief.
>>20 >>21 If I'd written the title in English, I thought many people wouldn't've noticed and visited here. What is even worse, they might have neglected. So I wrote in Japanese.
>>22 Maybe I'm gonna look for part-time job. How about you?
I won't deny that people will always exploit animals for food/clothing/etc whether out of necessity or luxury, and I think it's fine to an extent. What's not fine though is that even though we're conscious that certain methods of killing cause animals to suffer tremendous amounts of pain we still persue them. I've seen footages of small animals skinned alive (and still alive and unable to move after their skin is gone) and of course the people who do it don't think anything of it because they're poor, they need to feed their kids and they're used to it. That is really disturbing. I stopped buying fur ever since and to be honest I don't see why faux fur can't completely replace real fur for the modern society, but that point aside, I just think that animals should be killed with little suffering. We don't need to torture them. They're not criminals, and the fact we have control over them doesn't make their lives any less valuable than our own lives.
there're some ppl above complaining about every little "miss spelling" however "miss spelling" itself is a mistake as it's a mere japanglish word the proper english word is "typo" you know
...but I guess this isn't really the place to talk about it. I said what I said for the sake of answering the earlier posts but ignorance is a strong trait in us that inevitably comes paired with our conscience. I know that at least I'm aware about fur and have my priorities straight so that's all that matters for me.
>>1 I agree with your opinion. However, you should try to write your messages in English at first! Because between your action and opinion have a large distance. If its distance is slightly thin, your opinion would give us a more great message.
I have written my messages in English in recent days. But, my ability writing English message is more than that before two months. I write some opinion I have in English. Therefore, I aquire my 自信(proud?). Now I have been a depress condition. Its condition affect my brain badly. I try to write how I can write message in English when I have a bad condition. As a result, I have no problem writting English. my messages would have some errores as well.
Someone told me that writing in English is the best way to keep your ability up! Its kind of scary living in Japan without using English. I mean I dont wanna feel "Oh my god I used to speak English better!" So...lets write messages in English!
I came back to Japan from the UK a few months ago and I really want to sustain my English-speaking,-writing,-reading abilities. I keep my diary in English and my friends in the UK read it but how else can I keep up my English?
>>54 Hmm, let me think about it... If you had insisted the right word was "misspelling", yes, I would have known. But you said typo. It looks like you're just trying to cover up the fact you didn't know. Try again because it's so obvious.
>>57 I'm sorry. I wrote before. I thought if I'd written my message in English, a lot of people could have neglected here unconsciously. Therefore I wrote in Japanese.
>>59 I'm just worrying about it. The purpose I made this thread was to change the resident's mind who talk about English in Japanese. I didnt hope the occasion something like this.
I wish you guys visiting here to write and answer in English on another English board thread, and generate this movement there! Don't afraid of making mistakes! Let's discuss in English! This is the best way to improve your English skill!
This is just I wanted to say.
And about this thread, I dont think anyone mind talking in English here, though this goes against what I thought.
I believe this thread is getting one of the step to spread this movement.
That necronation guy is ever developing its cheep way of pretending to be many different people. It is quite easy to distinguish it from other participants of the Aちゃん related threads. And it is also threatening those who are trying to stop its harmful acts on the related threads. Just "do not touch the suspicious posts" is the best way. Ignore it and its posts, this is what I'd like you all to do.
Thank you for your reply. I see. :-) You are right written the first message in Japanese. I want to coopelate for your thread.
I also think to improve English skill needs to do that we write and write messages, no matter what we are afraid of some mistake of written message. Of cource, we try to find the mistake out.
I hope some native speakers and those who want to improve their English skills come to here.
Some Japanese people believe they can't make out what native speakers of English speak because of radio-frequency wave. They are talking about it seriously in a thread.
>>77 In my opinion, we should stop putting too much emphasis on the importance of writing English. If we talk only about it on and on, day after day, then many posters will feel bored of it here. The popurarity of a thread depends on what we talk about.
Japan sent as many as 100 athletes to the Torino Olympic, but they couldn't get a medal except for Shizuka Arakawa. That is a problem. Why did they lose? What should be done to get many medals in the next Olympic?
>>102 You mean you wondered if I was a kidnapper? Of course, not. I just brought up a subject, you know. It's anybody's guess why a girl looks cute (or ugly). It's just a genetic thing. All you can say is just like this: Tenkarin is cute, beautiful, or everything. It's boring, isn't it?
>>18 It was a typo, they meant transplant. An example would be a heart transplant, where they replace someone's heart.
>>51 et al I was the earlier person, and I mostly agree with you. Animals should be treated humanely, but I do not think someone has the right to prescribe what others cannot do. AFIAK there is no logical way to prove that animals have feelings or consciousness. Sure, they may have what we might describe as 'pain' or 'fear' but those are merely behavioral instead of actual thought.
>>61 You can always talk to yourself... I'm being serious. Even something as simple as vocalizing your thought pattern or explaining what you are doing aloud. Phone calls back home are probably expensive, but you can use voice chat software or Skype to keep in touch as well.
Also, a typo is not strictly a misspelling and vice versa. A typo in general means hitting the wrong key on the keyboard and as such you would not call a misspelled word in something handwritten a typo. As previously stated, not every typo is a spelling error either.
The baseball club of Komadai Tomakomai decided not to participate in a baseball tornament held in spring because some of the members smoked and drank. The team won a championship two years in a row, very famous. What's your opinion on this issue?
>>51 I totally understand where you are coming from. Those animals deserve better treatment than beaten up and skinned alive. Personally, I'm not interested in real fur since it reminds me too much of the dead animals, and it's pretty disgusting while leather is ok maybe because it's appearently processed. But what's bothering as well is those fanatics who splash paint over people in fur or sabotage thier business in front of fur stores. Could they promote fake fur in stead of being obnoxious? I guess, we are talking about its different aspects. But mostly, I hear you.
>>67 Animals might not "think" as we do. But, I mentioned "emotions" since you brought them up first.
>>119 My point was that while it may seem that animals have emotions their reactions are purely biological. I agree that many of the people that fight for animal rights go overboard. They certainly go really heavy on the appeals to emotion and guilt trips. I'm not sure if the outlanding actions taken are more beneficial than detrimental. They certainly get a lot of publicity, but at the same time people have to distance themselves from them. I support many of PETA's positions and yet I protest against them because of their actions (such as terrorism) and absurd demostrations. (If you are not familar with PETA-People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals they are a group that has done many stunts such as throwing paint on fur coats, supporting groups that firebomb animal research labs, have women in cages on city streets.. just to name a few. Luckily for me they are headquartered right in my backyard and the circus is coming to town... so they are making a fuss about that too, oh joy.)
I have a question. About a year ago, I got 910 score in Toeic test. How long do you think I can keep this score without studying anymore? I haven't studied English about a year since I took that test. I need to maintain my English score high for my classes. I prefer to hear from someone who's ever gotten the almost same score as I did. Thanks!
>>120 I'm not specificaly familiar with PETA or related activists, but I don't usually buy into what those opinion groups say. Their points usually sound righteous and protesters are blindly serious even though you never know what's really behind the issue. Like, who financialy supports them?; if they have any interest in political influence over power? You can't forget there are always those who take advantage of innocent, or rather, naive people who tend to believe what they are shown or told as a whole picture. But, lucky you. You'll get to see how they party.
Why don't you mull over your motivation, say 'driving force,' to make you cut your teeth on English. Just Getting ostentatious high scores on Toeic or Eiken? Or absorb something more beyond English? I' m sure your answer will shed light on the way you should go next.
>>123 Well I wasn't asking you to tell me to figure out my motivation. I just wanted to know how fastI can forget English. That is all. and I am not showing off my score. Don't take me wrong. Well thanks anyway..
>>117 It is no problem that komadai tomakomai participates this. Its resoinsibility is not the team in a whole but individuals. Its members that don't have to do with the problem have no problem. But its decision affects its members that are not related the trouble and also indicates the managers of komadai tomakomai are totalitarianism.
The realm of Japanese sports has similar problem as totalitarianism. Its thought breaks away from the realm because I want to do that people plays sports enjoy. If not enjoy, people could not have creativity. In particular, Japanese baseball requires players have parfectly to play as to be robots on the instructions of their manager. Therefore, players lost to enjoy and grow thinking.
>>127 I am sicking tired of a peabrained moron like you. What is wrong with you. f●●k off. Don't ever take your inferiority out on me. That is YOUR problem. You are pathetic. Hope you realize it soon. Well whatever.
>>110 I agree with everything except you sticking to your "can't prove animals have feelings" theory. If I take that further it seems like you're saying we can't prove anything if we don't speak the language we understand. So if a person is looking sad, fearful or in pain, that's just a behavioural outcome you say, and we won't really know they're feeling that emotion unelss they speak out "I am sad/scared/in pain". That's basically what you're saying. Animals express things their own way and their body language for example has too much in common with ours for us to simply deny intellectually that it's not a feeling. I just think academics who says "animals don't have emotions" are overlooking the basics of where we come from. What they're saying is twisted logic.
>>131 I think that we do share a set of emotions with other animals and that those are a result of survival behaviors. My point is that since other animals are not self aware they do not experience emotions in the same way we do. A cat may be frightened by something and run and hide, but the experience of a child running and hiding is different. The child has a conciousness to experience the emotions rather than just natural responses. If a cat breaks its leg it may feel pain, but a child will feel the pain and be in agony from the pain. Pain is just part of our nervous system that helps us live; I believe emotions to be the cognitive response associated with the physical feeling.
uh..i have to stop being a mr. nice guy all the time. that fucking temperametal american is taking advantage of my being less assertive. i've had enough!!!!!!! from next week, im gonna talk to her only when i have to. no more <hi> in the morning to which the bitch hardly ever replys. no more partying in which she participates.
i dont have to be logical to hate her. i just feel so uncomfortable when i am with her, when she says something to me, when i see her in the morning. these should be reasonable enough for me to avoid her as much as possible.
no one to blame. i just happen to dislike her. she just happens to be bicth. i have to keep the negativity caused by her minimal.
It depends on your definition of 2ch-like sites. http://world4ch.org and http://4-ch.net are anonymous boards much like 2ch, but they do not get much traffic. There are a couple of large message boards such as http://offtopic.com but they are mostly registration required to post.
As things stand now, we are faced with a potential danger of meeting a possible murderer by chance everywhere we are. A number of school kids have been kidnapped and murdered on their way both to school and back home. Lots of burglary have crept into apartments and from time to time killed the inhabitants for money. Not a few people love to set fire on any houses they want burning down without being seen. Those horrible criminals may live next to us. There's no wonder we are feeling nervous about what might happen next, maybe to us. We have been living in the era of warfare in everyday life, so to say.
What's the why and wherefore and what should do with the situation like this? Harder punishment helps reduce the number of crimerate? Moral education can convice those who have vicious thoughts in mind?
What's your idea about how to solve this social problem?
you should remember that about 90 percentage of murder cases are committed by the family members and acquaintances of the victims. so a possible murder is always next to you. Be careful !!
>>156 Hallo. Ich denke nicht dass viele Leute hier Deutsches sprechen. Sie brauchen nicht, einen Namen oder ein email einzutragen. Ich bin für meinen schlechten Deutschen traurig.
I'm not sure many people here can speak German, but you are free to try. Also, you don't need to enter a name and email if you do not want to. I'm sorry for my horrible German..
>>133 Sorry I had totally missed out >>120 when I worte >>131. I think your point in >>133 was that animals have "reflexes&instincts" whereas us humans have extra feedback within our brain (i.e. physical pain-emotion-more emotional pain etc) right? I don't know if you've kept a dog/cat as a pet but I feel they have more than instinctive behaviour going on in their heads, although not as much as humans (and I think the differene is due to our language capacity). And certainly, animals like dolphins, chimps and gorillas are more capable and thus closer to humans. I don't think there is a dinstinct "line" as such that separates our emotions and the emotions of animals. It's more like a spectrum, and the question is where on that spectrum an animal's complexity lies. I believe we are the most complex animal by far but other mammals are emotionally complex enough to feel the same type of "sadness" for instance, as we do.
As for what you and >>119 have been saying about animal rights activists like peta and greenpeace I agree their methods are extreme. I think extreme is never good in any situation because it just causes more hostility and it never achieves the right goal which is to have others understand where you're coming from. And like >>119 I haven't got much against leather because leather is usually taken from large animals like cows, and they have to be killed before they can be skinned so there's no grotesque "skinning alive" going on. But I do hope they don't just feed cows purely to take their skin.
>>165 There are obviously degrees of animal intelligence but even things such as tool usage can be prescribed to behavioral origins. I think the line of when an animal is sentient involves things such as self recognition and realzing that things exist even if they cannot be seen. Even young babies do not yet display these signs. The only pet I have personally had was a bird (some species of which I would certainly but in the more capable distinction). He could not recognize himself in a mirror. At times he would try to hide behind a perch and he would think he was hidden because he could no longer see me. Because of these things I do not believe he experienced the world the same as humans do.