for a long while now, foreign people like me have been watching the culture of the famous Japanese sites 2ch.net and 2chan.net.
Some of us have even tried to create something like these legendary sites for the English-speaking community of the internet. You may have heard about these efforts, the most majorly known is 4chan.org, another was iichan.net (which is down at the moment but might come back soon).
These sites have been and are mostly image boards like 2chan, serving the purpose of sharing images rather than encouraging actual discussion between users.
The youngest attempt to change this situation and to offer the English-speaking community a comfortable place to share information and discuss subjects of various nature without having to register an account (like most other non-japanese online forums) and an option to stay completely anonymous, in the tradition of 2ch, is 4-ch:
Right now, there are mostly people who are just starting to learn Japanese themselves and are more fluent in English than in Japanese. That situation is probably the opposite of the one here on 2ch's English forum.
You could probably help some novices in the art of speaking, writing and, most importantly, understanding Japanese. Or you could educate us foreigners about Japanese online culture (and vice versa?). Or you could make fun of us behind our backs by talking to each other in obscure terms.
But in general, we do not wish to restrict your actions and intents there in any way except for the general request to keep Japanese posts in the Japanese forum and speak English in the other forums. English still remains the standard language on the other 4-ch boards and we wish to keep it that way, as it is the standard language to communicate with each other on western online forums.
People who speak both Japanese & English will naturally have more entertainment on 4-ch, but it is by no means a requirement to have fun there at all. One can simply read and learn until one is ready to speak!
It is an interesting internet that just waits to be discovered by us all! So, please feel free to pay us a visit and ENJOY & GENTLEMEN, so to speak!
Sincerely,
Anonymous
PS: We are still looking for someone who would like to help us translating the rules of 4-ch (http://4-ch.net/rules.html) into correct Japanese. Any help will be appreciated and maybe rewarded with a cookie (cookies are delicious delicacies)!
PPS: I apologize if this thread should be inappropriate for this forum on 2ch. I figured it might be the best way to get people to read this and actually understand it, since I do not understand Japanese myself (I am German).
PPPS: orz for failing at correctly telling the Name field from the Subject field.
>>6 As you may or may not realize, some bad guys have tried to decieve people on this message system(2ch) many times. I don't wanna be rude, but I still don't believe you, I mean, if I click the address and my pc break down, I'll regret it.
So I'm sitting on the fence for a while, though you may think I'm a bit too suspicious..
Ah, but clicking on things is the premier way to get along on the internet, isn't it? After all, clicking on things probably brought you here to 2ch, after all! Clicking on things isn't so bad. Sometimes, you just gotta take a risk and give it your all! And with a decent browser you don't have to be afraid of the internet hurting your computer, although that is always a possibility. But then again, you might also poison yourself from drinking tab water! Interacting with the world might be dangerous, but it is also mostly interesting.
Incidentally, who created the website? I suspect it's some Japanese, because "レスを全部読む 最新レス50 レス1−100" are Japanese. That led me to think people on the site are mastly Japanese.. What did you invite us there for? Are you Japanese also??
The website was created by Squeeks, the webmaster of 4-ch. He is either Canadian or American, I think, as are most of the people on 4-ch. The software he uses is a translated version of Kareha, a software similiar to the one used on 2ch. There is a link to the page of the software on the bottom of each page on 4-ch, if you are interested in it.
About what you should do there or what I invited you there for, all of that is covered in >>1-4
But in shorter words: Just take it as an opportunity to communicate. We might improve our understanding of Japanese language & culture and you might improve your understanding of western language & culture. At least, that is what we can hope for. But basically, as I said, we want everybody to have fun. Everything goes, as long as the rules are followed, which are pretty basic.
okeydokey! i'll give you a few tips you can sleep. relax in your bed, and then close you eyes. do not think anything in there, never. let's go to bed, shall we? good night!
The Anonymous guy might want to get popular in 2ch. Actually, at least everyone here in this thread will keep on backing him up. So he doesn't want give up getting all people on the board to know the site he came from. His continueus efforts will pay in the future.
2ch sure is huge and attracts a huge and diverse crowd. I mean, I took a look @ 雑談系2 and I wonder what's going on there. It reminds me of 4chan's /b/ for some reason. But there's just such a huge ammount of different boards on here, I don't think there is anything you could say with definite certainty about 2ch (apart from the pure technical aspects), other than that it is huge.
2ch sure grew over the time. It might never have been as small as 4-ch is now, but it sure has been smaller than it is now. I have not found any comprehensive English ressources on the history of 2ch (the best remains the Wikipedia entry @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2ch), so I can just guess. But with certainty I can say that I want 4-ch to grow, too. 4-ch can and should become bigger, maybe not as big 2ch. For that reason, 4-ch might add new boards and such in the future, but it will also need a bigger growd there who are willing to contribute in some way. So, again, if you have some spare time, please pay us a visit!
PS: Squeeks, the webmaster and founder of 4-ch is actually an Australian, as I have found out recently.
I think Anonymous needs to frequent the thread he himself set up. If I were him, I'd do it. Without pacience, he can't make it to spread what he thinks is enjoyable to us.
Some of us have already been on your side since the first day of your arrival.
In my view, the steps you have to take is as follows: First, you try to become famous on 2ch English board, so everyone keeps an eye on you. Second, make known to 2ch people how enjoyable 4-chan is. Lastly, 2ch people, though I think most of them may be from this English board, will vist 4-chan. As a result, we can communicate.
By the way, I'm pleased you've come here. When I read English-speaking people's web site, I feel the same way as you do, I mean, I don't understand all the words and expressions of English.
>>54 Well, speaking of sarcasm, 2ch is full of people who tries to hurt other's feelings. But I think it's better to ignore such people. Some of them are nice.
And I didn't mean to get you angry on >>46. I thought it might help to attract their attentions.
>>55 Concerning abusive people, I think that sentiment holds true for the majority of the internet. The inability to hold everyone else to a certain degree of responsibility provides ground for a mischievous mentality. But as long as you can take everything you read with a grain of salt, it is all good.
Concerning becoming famous, I think I will stay here on the English board with my contributions for natural reasons. I also think that 4-ch will achieve its own kind of deserved fame with enough time passing, eventually. I believe it's more a matter of patience than of the right kind of advertisement. But maybe we on 4-ch will continue to advertise the place in other ways in the future. We are debating this at the moment.
>>57 Well, there're a lot of English learners in Japan, so if they can ask you questions about English, they will go to 4ch.
One reason why I think so is that even if many of them want to communicate in English, they can't because of their limited English. About people on this English board, not all of them try to write in English because of the lack of confidence. As for me, I feel I have difficulies getting across what I want to say in English as well.
But I want to visit 4ch, because I'll be happy if I can talk with English-speaking people. So will most of the 2chan-nellers, I think.
For starters, let's get 4ch known to people on 2ch English board. I'll do whatever I can do to achieve the goal. So do you want me to advertise 4ch in Japanese? I think even people here don't read you because it's all in English. Alas, it sounds miserable to you, though.
And I've just visited the 4ch Japanese board. As I said, the 15 on the thread you created on 4ch came to the site as an English learner. Plus, the 15 didn't know what he/she should do on 4ch. We have to solve the problem, Anonymous san.
Um, it seems to me, however, you aren't bothered to advertise the site as I re-read >>57. Then I was wondering whether you could tell me what you would do in order to make 4ch popular along with patience.
Whenever you find a fun or useful thread on 4-ch, you could link to it for people who would be interested in it.
And you can just use 4-ch, post there, contribute and talk to people, that way activity will be created which will naturally be a good ground for more activity from other people as well.
Thank you for your considerate thoughts and continue to enjoy 4-ch!
>>70 From my point of view, we'd better keep talking about anything, including 4ch of course, so that everyone pay attention to this thread, as a result of which at least people on the 2ch English Board will know there's another bulletin board similar to 2ch.
4-ch is probably the cleanest and most respectable general discussion board in a 2ch style, but I will point out the others too. There are two sets of major English boards at the moment; WAKAChan: http://wakachan.net 4-ch is part of this network, but there are other sites too.
4Chan: http://4chan.org This is the most active and largest English board. Unfortunately, .jp visitors (although not bbtec.net) cannot see the image boards. This was required to prevent the board from running out of bandwidth completely, due to the very large number of Japanese interested in it. You can still read the discussion boards, notably http://dis.4chan.org/dis/. This board is known to parts of 2ch, mainly News4VIP; they tend to fill it up with trash occasionally, which remains until a moderator (such as myself) cleans it up.
One thing I thought of yesterday was maybe promoting 4-ch on one of 2ch's ネット関係 ita. The problem for me is, that I do not know any Japanese, though, and I do not want to cluster up any of their ita with my English. Maybe one of you native speakers would like to take on that job?
>>74 That doesn't sound like a bad idea, but what have in mind about your idea is how many people the 4ch server can accomodate. I mean, if we can make it to have too many 2ch'ers visit 4ch, the site can still be accessible?
Though I'm worried about the commotion I imagine would happen on 4ch , it's worth a try.
I don't know how much load Squeek's server can take. When I brought up that question before I started this thread, he/she said "just go for it, we'll see!".
So I don't think it's going to be a problem, but even if it does, we'll think of a solution and the risk would be worth it, anyhow.
I just read the 4ch Japanese board. I like japanese online idioms thread because people on there seem really nice to me.
I wonder whether all of the Japanese people who've visited the 4ch site also saw this thread. If so, our efforts finally paid off, didn't they, Anonymous san? If we put our minds to it, we can introduce more people to 4ch!
>>82 No, I haven't. Now you mention it, I once tried visiting 4ch besides the Japanese board, but I gave up reading people there. Too difficult for me to understand them, maybe because of my limited English. So I respect you in a way, Anonymous san, since you haven't given up reading 2ch.
>>83 Well, I am pretty much confined to stay in here, as well as you are confined to stay in /nihongo/. The only other board on 2ch I visit regularly are the AA boards. The language of visual signs is a bit more universal and easier to understand than the written word.
Well, it seems like 4-ch is doing well so far. Numbers of threads and contributions are rising. I am pleased, but I also believe we can still do better!
4-ch has been improved again! By clicking on "pseud0ch" (in the top of each page next to "Board Look") you can now change the design of the pages to emulate the classic 2ch style.
>>89 Hi there, Anonymous san. I've just visited 4ch for the first time in about 3 weeks. And it was so amazing to me that many people(including Japanese people) posted on there and many threads were already created, that I couldn't read them all at once. I hope the site will grow continuously, don't you?
Incidentally, I have a question for you, Anonymous san. Do you think some of them got connected to 4ch because they read this thread and got interested? If so, we could advertise the site and let would-be new comers know the existence of it. As I see it, that effort would let the ball rolling even further, I mean, 4ch would become more and more prosperous.
I hope, Oxbridge, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, Columbia, Sorbonne, ENA, London School of Economics, etc ch would become more and more prosperous. I mean, academic ch would become more and more popular.
I'm sorry to say this, but I think the one you call Anonymous was sure to give up on this thread. Guess his goal was already reached. So no need for him to come here more.
Yeah, I think advertising 4-ch through this thread but also other threads (maily in the 2ch ENGLISH ita) has helped gain 4-ch in popularity. I will keep that strategty up.
>>92 I hope, Oxbridge, Harvard, Princeton, Yale, Stanford, Berkeley, MIT, Columbia, Sorbonne, ENA, London School of Economics, etc ch would become more and more prosperous. I mean, academic ch would become more and more popular.
I like 4ch very much. I'm not sure I've ever talked with Anonymous san on 4ch, though.
Well, anyway, if I build a new thread there, do you think you will write something on it, Anonymous san? I'm of two minds whether I'll set it up or not. Someone kindly told me what I'm supposed to do if I creat a new one, though.
>>103 Are you sure? I'm worried if 4ch does not surely come back. Do you think the unaccesibility happened because numerous people have been paying a visit to 4ch?
>>103 As you may or may not read me on 4ch, what I have in mind is a thread in which English-speaking people post in Japanese while Japanese people write in English. I think it can attract Japanese, because they don't need to feel ashamed about their English to see English speakers also make an effort to write something in Japanese. Do you think English speakers don't like it when they are asked to write in Japanese? It might be an idea, I believe, to communicate with each other that way..
4ch means a lot to me even now. But if it gets more popular and people here also become obsessed, then I myself will come to the site more often. So the brief close-down of 4ch made me a little depressed.
>>105 {Do you think English speakers don't like it when they are asked to write in Japanese?}
It depends where. If it is in a japanese board like 2ch(business news+) then it makes sense to ask to speak in Japanese. In this board, both languages should be encouraged. Not many boards have this openness though, whether on 2ch, futaba(2chan), yotsuba(4chan), wakachan or shii☆style. I wish more people would help each other like friends with their languages.
Hi, everyone, 4ch has finally come back. You're welcome to participate regardless of nationalities, religions, and what not. There's been Japanese people posting on 4ch. So let's come along and talk to 4ch'ers!
There you go again! What a lazy guy! You have to stay up as late as other people on this English board. I believe you have performed less than expected.
Nah. I post a lot more to 2ch now, actually. I even post to the AA forums sometimes. And I still watch this thread. But there's rarely something new to respond to and I don't want to reply just in order to age the thread.
>>127 Kill yourself. It's the best for you to do. You can't do anything good for our society. Nobody needs you. Even your mother doesn't like you. If so what do you live for? You are nothing. So just die for all Japanese. You are the only one Japanese we don't need.
Are you satisfied with the status of 4ch, Anonymous? Only a few people pay a visit there. At most 5 messages are written each day. Do you think 4ch will function, very sluggish, stagnant, or stuck?
To be honest, things could be better. But it's all too early to tell whether this means failure or whether it is just a hint of future growth. At least we've been mentioned by someone outside of the English-speaking world of the internet already! http://www.jp.playstation.com/psworld/column/masa/050114.html
>>137 What impressed me was that you read the article! It's all written in Japanese. (I didn't mean you're illiterate, of course)
How about advertise the site to gather attention? According to the writer, 4ch is very so sluggish that you may get bored. Anyway, I agree with him. It's nice to know both Japanese and non-Japanese people can communicate on 4ch.
>>138 As a Japanese, I feel attraction of 4ch lies in you all, I mean, if the 4ch Japanese board get popular among us though there're very few non-Japanese people, then what differs from the 2ch English board? So I ask you English-speaking people to come along more often. That may be another key to success.
>>153 Yes, I once tried to read another subject on 4ch, but it was hard for me because of their colloquial expressions. Even if you think what they use was not a big word, it didn't make defferences, I mean, I didn't know what the meaning was. Plus, if I consulted an onlin English dictionary such as Eijiro, the dictionary often missed dealing with such a word.
So I gave up. (I know they get angry if I ask about the words they uses.)
>>157 Well, I don't speak againt what you said, but I like 4ch (though I'm strictly confined to the nihongo board as I said), because most of them are nice and favorable.
And about the nihongo board, being laid back surely explaines what their attitude is as Anonymous san said (I'm not confident about other boards, though).
I wonder if you post in 4ch as Anonymous, Anonymous san. I sometimes see the user name Anonymous (not in the nihongo board, of course). It's nice if I see you over there because you let me know about 4ch. Hope my question will be answered.
I might want to add that there is a person on www.4chan.org and some other sites, who goes under the name of Anonymous-san: Anonymous-san !Co7ArOTpLQ!!LG0N2j5cfaK This person isn't me, and I think he is kind of silly for putting "Anonymous" in his name, despite using a tripcode.
I do have a name and tripcode I post myself with sometimes, but I don't want to reveal it on here. Maybe you can guess it?
>>181 So isn't it you in the thread below, is it? http://academy3.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1110298355/l50 I thought it's you at first, but I felt something was wrong. The other Anonymous guy must've tried to give you a bad name. He was a little offensive/aggresive. And I guess you'd never say "on internet", I mean you'd never forget to put "the" between those words.
>Maybe you can guess it? Well, I don't know. I recognized you in the nihongo board before, though. The Games board hasn't attracted me so far, but I'll try it.:)
>>182 > So isn't it you in the thread below, is it?
Correct, that isn't me. But "Anonymous" is a default name on many English based image boards and message boards, like 名無し on Japanese ones. So maybe he wasn't trying to give me a bad name. I don't know and I don't really care, either. But I will maybe change my name on here or drop it completely if people should continuously mistake me for him.
> I mean you'd never forget to put "the" between those words.
That's just him pretending to be stupid, I guess. A lot of people (on the English speaking internet, at least) incorporate bad grammar and intentional spelling mistakes in their online vocabulary in order to be funny. A common example would be writing "teh" instead of "the".
I also want to inform you that the server that 4-ch.net is on suffered some problem a few weeks ago, which is why some threads simply disappeared. The admin knows about this and is looking into fixing it, but it's a time-expensive task, so patience is the key. If you want to discuss some subject of a thread which is lost now and you do not want to wait, you can simply create a new thread, though.
>>183 >I will maybe change my name on here or drop it completely if people should continuously mistake me for him. No, please, won't. Now that I'm reassured that you're cheerful and benign just as I thought, I'd never mistake you for him.
About the guy, on the other hand, it seemed to me that he just pretended he's from overseas, because he made grammar mistakes that Japanese people often makes. Anyway, though, I'd never refer to him from now on, too, as you don't care about him.:)
>>1 The fuck are talking about? 2ch is bad enough with the sick shit the Japanese do, like that goddamn CCさくら board... But fuck, man, 4chan is the fucking devil. It's like all the repressed perversion of a salaryman who lost his virginity to a fleshlight multipled by about fifty thousand and placed online, in English.
Anyway, this is a Jap forum, why not post in Jap? And if you can't, stick to 4chan.
>>203, >>204 i dun think that many native ppl'll cum to this site uknw.. its rare. n i prbly guess that u two're gonna say my english is fucked up, but guess wat. im pretty sure u call a person who was born and lived in the states for 18 years, a native american speaker. yo, im a gaijin. well, i'll advice u two to instead of commenting on thes stupid sites, u shud jst improve u're englsh.. gud luck yo.