Let's talk with Jim-san. Part2

Let's talk with Jim-san , who is the manager of bbspink.com.
If you can write your questions or some other things in English,
please write them in English.

Since Jim-san is very kind,
so that in case you get spelling error,
or write in incorrect grammar,
he will be able to understand what you want to say.

Those who cannot understand English may write them in Japanese.
Accommodating persons will translate for you.

このスレッドは、ピンクちゃんねるの管理人さんのジムさんと
英語でお話しようスレです。
英語できる人は、できれば英語で書いてくださいな。
ジムさんは、とってもやさしいので
文法とか単語のつづりが「かなり間違っている」英語でも
きっとわかってくれますよん。

英語はどうしても無理、って人は日本語でどうぞ。
親切な人がきっと翻訳してくれます。

Jim-san cap handle.
Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★

A previous thread
Let's talk with Jim-san
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1083466372/

2 is for me, thanx.

3 get age,

Sexy Mary is here.

Please read the link if you offer for it to become a volunteer. It is Japanese.

（ in Japanese ）
ボランティアになると申し出る人はリンクを読んで下さい。日本語です。
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/82
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/160

>>5
I understand.

volunteer update
◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
◆TECHCS.zfQ
Any complaints about the volunteers they must be made here, or on the next thread.

Politics of the world follows the place where the public opinion goes to, and be decided.

(in japanese)
Bnaki kouron ni kessu beshi.
万機公論に決すべし。

Even if there will be any kind of circumstances, a principle does not change.

(in　japanese)
原則は変わらない　どんどん発言　遠慮はいらないでしょう。

Lets update our rules of deletion with the suggestions that have come in so far.
After we are done with this. lets compare to 2ch rules. in most cases we will follow those.
They are pretty good, and very long. Making me very sleepy everytime I read the translation I have.
So we will have both words, from that and deeds from the list we make here. What we actually do.

* Telephone numbers of private #3 style people should be deleted.
* email address that is for spam or that is being attacked should be deleted.
* urls that do not have anything to do with the conversation should be deleted.
additions
* Multiple postings of same post to multiple boards.
* Postings from someone that is under the age of 18.
Mumumu-sans language is added, multiple, as in multiple orgasm is added. Cross, as in dressing is deleted.

# なんか、おいら、Jimさんにとことん無視されてるんですが（汗）
# レスを読んでないのか、状況を分かってないのか、どっちなんだろう。。。


Jim-san,

I'm not getting answer of questioning and asking from you.
If there isn't permission of you, my work isn't proceeded.

In that case, all volunteers will be not able to work, when coming time limit.

Please give me RIGHT to operate and construct of the deletion system.
I've the ability to do. I'm fit. I can become leader.
Please question Hiroyuki if you have some doubt in me.
Don't you think my doing those work to be pleasant?
I withdraw if you don't hope.


（日本語）
JImさん、

おいらは、まだ貴方から、質問やお願いの返事をいただいていません。
貴方の許可がなければ、今の作業は続けられないでしょう。

その場合、全てのボランティアさんたちも、期限以降の作業が出来なくなります。

削除関係の運用と構築を行う権限をください。
おいらなら出来ますし、適任ですし、リーダーになれます。
もしも「胡散臭い奴」と思うなら、博之に聞いてみてください。
おいらがそれらの作業をやることを、快く思わないですか？
貴方が望まないのなら、おいらは引っ込みます。

>>8 What will we do if the politician has no principle?
The biggest concern for the safety of bbspink is from religious political groups
in the USA. To them their religion is above the law, and it is ok to break the law to further
their agenda. So the biggest concern I have in the deletion rules are that the threads and boards
are enjoyable by the majority of the users. We can't do anything if the religious groups in the US
take aim at us. It is probably very funny thinking for someone in Japan, but thatis my only worry.
Almost all words typed on this bbs are protected by the constitution of the US. Even though the typist
may be in Japan his words are stored in the US, and my principle mission is to protect them.

>>10 Toru-san my problem is not understanding your questions. gomenasai.
I am happy to have you as volunteer if there are no complaints that are valid against
you on this board.

Dear Jim-san.

It is a question to JIM-san.

info＠bbspink.com and dns＠nttsupport.com.

Have these addresses reached JIM-san?

Is it unquestionable for my English?

# なんか、、、やっぱり、Jimさんは状況を理解してない、と分かった。。。

>>12 ：Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys-san
> if there are no complaints that are valid against
I've many complaints of me, あははは。:-)

>>14
Though JIM-san was understood as permission.

（ in Japanese ）
JIM-sanは許可してると理解しましたが。

>>12
Nogood uselessness！
Nominate me！

（ in Japanese ）
トオルさんの意図がJIMさんに上手く伝わってないだけじゃないのかなあ。。。
英語で伝えられないのが歯がゆい。。。

>>16
>>5

>> jim at 80 dot kg
my weight goal is 80 KG

>>15 ：koro ◆8j1enTAicY-san
I don't think so.
I want permission clearly from Jim-san.
Otherwise, neither everyone nor this work can be done.

>>8 http://www.electricbuddha.org/archive.php?arg=SELEN

I like that I posted it.

>>18
> my weight goal is 80 KG

wuhaha, shape-up, Gangare!

I met Yakin-san and Mirv-san at mid of July, and I surprised
they have a slim body.

Anyway, now Jim-san now shows an official email address for contacting volunteers.
It is very good for bbspink, I think.

# つうか、もう実質的にあと２週間もないのに、
# どうして何もJimさんに伝わってないんですかね？
# 皆が今、何をどうしようとしてるか、何をしなきゃいけないのか、
# おいらは、まさかそこから説明しなきゃなんない？
# やだよー！ 英語嫌いなんだよー！ うえーん！

>>21 ： ◆MUMUMUhnYI-san
You have Platinum points! COOL!

>>22
Please don't upset. Mochitsuke.

I think all volunteers help you.
So, you are not alone. There are so many volunteers and users in bbspink.
Including me.

>>23
Thank you.

After we make bbspink stable, I will explain my PLT's link's details.

And it is time for meeting of my main job. Sorry for my offline momentary.

>>24 ：Mumumu ◆MUMUMUhnYI-san
Oh,,, I forget MOCHITSUKU...

I've to ask you. I'll write it is necessary to do and schedule.
When you have the leave, please translate into English...

PINKの為にやるんだろ。
ジムさんはおまえの助けは嬉しいとは言ってるんだから（だよね？）、
期限に間に合うようにどんどんやっていけばいいじゃないか。
最終的にトオルじゃだめだと言われたら、
やってきたことをそっくりわたせばいい。
トオルのやろうとしてる事はPINKの為になるんだから、
ジムさんがそれを無効にするはずない。
無効にするならするでそれはジムさんの選択なんだし。
PINKが存続してほしいという自分の願いも叶えるために、
みんなと協力しつつやれる事をやっちゃっていいと思う。

>Jim-san,

Toru-san is a little stiff, but he's trustworthy man.
As the occasion demands, he will work without sleeping.
You obtained the excellent staff.

Toru-san is be impatient and hurry very much now!!
He's desperately trying to make up for the delay.
Soon, the staff of 2-channels will withdraw from BBS-PINK's work.
Toru-san wants to operate deletion system before from the day when the staff of 2-channels withdraw.
Please demand explanation from him.

My ID include"Jim".

Kinenkakiko.

絵で図解するとわかるのかなぁ。。

>>29
A note in commemoration of something = Kinenkakiko = 記念かきこ

>>11->>20
I revoke my words concerning No.8(Be cause it is unsuitableness)

http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1083466372/989
↓
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1083466372/992
↓
The intention of my words are that the chance of speeking must
be equal regardress the man is good at English or not.


I'm sorry that I am confused.

Sorry.

Just I returned the meeting of my main job.
But now still in my working time.
So, I am now making a sabotage of my job. :-)

>>22
Toru-san,

There are so many, many users in 2ch/bbspink. So, you need not any worries
in English problem. I think many 2ch/bbspink users translate your Japanese
writing in this thread to English, for communication with Jim-san.

Again, please don't worry, you are not alone.
Many users always help you.

...BTW, my main job is very important for me.
It is probably more important than all 2ch and bbspink matter.

So, I must return to my main job.
Sorry for everyone and thank you for discussion.

Yoroshiku-desu.

Mumumu-san, otsu-desu.

Jim-san,
Please click here.
http://qb5.2ch.net/saku/index2.html
This is the 2-channel board for ask deletion by the user who found spam.

http://qb5.2ch.net/saku/subback.html
These all are requests to delelete, and the Deleters read the thread,
then delete spam, and write "I deleted them." on the thread.

The Deleters only know how to delete.
They must know spell for deletion, and their own ID and PASSWORD, too.

Do you need the same system for BBSPINK?

>>26
Toru-san,

My thinking is already written at this thread.

So, unfortunately, I am a very busy man so I think I can't allocate my time
for translation for your articles.

But I don't have any worries about it. So, as I wrote before, there are so many
users in 2ch/bbspink, of course this thread has many users, too.
I think all of your Japanese articles will be translated automagically by
many midgets. :-)

Aagin, please don't worry, we have so many strong users.

>>MUMUMU-san
Thank you for your responses.
I try to write any matter on this thread.

向こうのスレッドからコピーします。
どなたか翻訳できるかたはお願いします。
おいらも出来るだけやってみます。。。

1、 Jimさんにボランティアさんの心得を決めてもらう。
・管理人がのぞむこと ・管理人がのぞまないこと ・管理人が責任を取ること
この３つが、管理人さんから公式発言されればいいと思います。

2、 Jimさんにボランティアさんの窓口を決めてもらう。
本当なら、管理人さんがストレートにやってもいいわけですが、
ここの場合はそうもいかないので。。。
一応、おいらが立候補していますが、他の人でも構いません。
同時に、オフィシャルなメールアドレスも必要ですが、
これは「[email protected]」が流用できれば、それでオケーかと。

3、 ボランティアさんの任命。
2がすんなりと決まれば、ここはさっさと済ませられるはず。
とりあえず、最低１０人は欲しいですよねえ。

あ、書き忘れ。。。
これらの作業を、８月頭には終えていないといけません。
８月１５日までには稼働しないと大変なことになります。

JIM-san

Toru-san wants to recruit deleters of PINKBBS.
He has the special skill that sees through the eligible of deleters.

An official mail address of PINKBBS is necessary to recruit deleters.
Please give an official mail address for the deleters recruitment to Toru-san.
Could you grant permission that uses [email protected] for Toru-san?

(Japanese)
ToruさんはPINKBBSのdeletersを募集したい。
彼にはdeletersの適任者を見抜く特技があります。

deletersを募集するにはPINKBBSの公式なメールアドレスが必要です。
Toruさんにdeleters募集用の公式なメールアドレスを与えて下さい。
トオルさんに[email protected]を使う許可を与えてくれますか？

http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/
でせいいっぱいやったです。

Indeed, http://www.excite.co.jp/world/english/ (Excite translation) is very cool certainly.
But I dare to introduce an alternate one. It is http://honyaku.yahoo.co.jp/ (Yahoo translation).
(N.B. "Honyaku" means translation in Japanese)

Excite translation uses Amikai's translation engine, it is very popular for
online translation web page. But Yahoo translation does not use it, but
Yahoo uses Cross Language's translation engine.

So, we can use both engines of course and we can choose and/or integrate the results.
It is very useful for checking and taking diversity.

Jim-san, I itemized a necessary thing at >>38.

1, Jim-san must decide "Volunteer's Knowledge" in Japanese "心得(KOKOROE)".
"Matter for which Jim-san hope to volunteers as manager",
"Matter for which Jim-san doesn't hope to volunteers as manager" and
"Matter where manager takes the consequences",
These three items are at least necessary.

2, Jim-san should decide volunteer's leader.
Normally, Jim-san may manage all. But, it isn't so realistic.
I ran for the leader. However, other person may do.
And, the official mail address is necessary.
"[email protected]" can be misappropriated to this.

3, Volunteers are registered.
If item-2 can be cleared, this can be executed even at once.
Volunteers come to be able to work at soon.

We should do these in a few days.
Because the time limit is August 15th.


Am not I neat? (;;) >>ALL

>>42
I think it is very good and it is enough to recognize your thinking to Jim-san.

And Toru-san,

You need to explain/clarify to Jim-san why August 15th is the hard limit of it.
I think it is very important point.

I am not sure that Jim-san recognizes the past facts for a month.
So, it is safe to explain all facts to Jim-san in this thread.

>>MUMUMU-san
Thank you. Um,,, I try.

Jim-san,
Hiroyuki wrote at 2channel
http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/sakud/1116424044/271-275
> I should do "Is the deletion script of bbspink name changed or the deletion request stop".
> But, Worry is when I do it.
> I will execute it within one month because I look at current state.
He wrote when July 13th...

英語さっぱり分かりませーん。どなたか翻訳お願いできませんかー？
なるべくHGらしさを翻訳に込めまくって下さーい。ハードゲイは妥協を許しませんよー。
他力本願ﾌｫ──────ｯ!!

どーもー！ハードゲイでーす！
ジムさーん、私は削除のできるハードゲイなんですよー。
当面は電話番号と荒らし依頼を見たいと思います。オッケーイ！？
正式な削除ガイドラインが決まらないうちは細かい判断はしませんけど、
勝手に手伝わせてもらうつもりでーす。腰も勝手に動きますよー。
もし私の活動が望ましくなかったら削除アカウント停止しても構いません。バッチコーイ。
願わくばボランティアとしての活動を認めていただきたいと思いますー。

　 ヽ○ﾉ　ﾌｫ──────ｯ!!
　　 /
　 <<

機械翻訳もやってみましたよー。意味通じなそうですよー。fooooooooooooooooooo!!

...English Fn ..tidying.. ｰ... Someone will be able to ask for the translation.
As much as possible..translation..put..roll up..low.A hard gay doesn't permit
compromising.
Salvation by faith fooooooooooooooooooo!!

...retreat.. ｰ also. It is hard gay and ..becoming empty.. !.
It is ..gym.. ｰ, and I am a hard gay who can delete it.
Now, I want to see the telephone number and the ruining request. Okcai. ?
.. ..will help without permission.. ..becoming empty.. though not judged by a
formal deletion guideline it is detailed of not deciding. The waist moves without
permission, too.
It doesn't care even if the deletion account stops if my activity is not preferable.
Batticori.
I want to hold the activity as the volunteer I pray ..the admission...

　 ヽ○ﾉ　fooooooooooooooooooo!!
　　 /
　 <<

Hello! Mr.Jim!
I am MOMOTARO, one of the volunteers of BBSPINK.
I know me well and cannot miss the results of the past of >>42 ◆ ZFz/q7JaS6 @ TORU ★
for future development of BBSPINK with a very splendid thing.
Jim please accept his >>42 proposals by all means.

Because I do my best for development of a bulletin board, too; thanking you in advance.

Jimさん　こんにちは
桃太郎です。
>>42　◆ZFz/q7JaS6 ＠TORU ★の過去の実績は、私もよく知っており、とても素晴らしいもので、
BBSPINKの今後の発展のために欠かせないものです。
Jimさん、ぜひ彼の>>42の申し出を受け入れてください。

私も、掲示板の発展のために、がんばっていきますので、よろしくお願いします。

>>イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U-san

We welcome you.
Let's do its best with us.

I leave it to another volunteer because I cannot translate.

>>49 koro-san
Okaaaaaaaay!!!!
Thank you. Please leave it to me.
Let's hold out mutually.
fooooooooooooooo!!!!

機械翻訳ﾌｫ──────ｯ!!

Translation for >>46

Hi! I am Hard Gay.
Jim-san! I am a hard-gay who can do deletion.
Interim, I would like to take care of telephone number issues and request of cope with unexpected attack posting. Is it OOOOK?
I will not judge detailed point before formal deletion guideline is created, but I will help without permission :-). My waist is also shaken without permission!
It does not care even if the deletion account stops if my activity is not preferable. Come oooooon!
I want to hold the activity as the volunteer. Pleeeeease accept!

　 ヽ○ﾉ　fooooooooooooooooooo!!
　　 /
　 <<


「HGらしさ」が出せなかった。すまん。

>>51
Thank you!! Thank you!!
arigatou gozaimasu!!

>>42
Dear Jim-san
We have manager's Jim-san and the thing that it wants you to decide
it.
It is this.

"Mr. volunteer's knowledges"

There are three elements in them.

1:What is the thing for which the manager hopes?
2:What is the thing for which the manager doesn't hope?
3:All the responsibilities are manager's things.

I think that the thing that these three elements at least become complete is necessary so
that the volunteer may act by BBSPINK.

#This demand is a translation of this explanation.
#PINKの削除依頼板＆削除心得。。。2
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/28

#PINKの削除依頼板＆削除心得。。。2
#http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/194

Please translate the part where someone is wrong again.

Jim-san,

The guideline is agreement between you and users.

KOKOROE is agreement between you and deleter.
And KOKOROE is contract terms between you and deleter.

Jim-san,

BBSPINK has the same script as 2ch.
2ch doesn't hope for the script to be known to everybody.
So, The script for operation disappears on August 15.

Deleter needs them not to be sued.
Deleter might function if it does so.
Therefore, it is necessary to clarify the contract terms between Deleter and Jim-san.


The volunteer gets the tool from the operator.
Jim-san should decide the operator who brings them together.
I guarantee that TORU-san has the ability for it.

To: Jim-san

>>11 "The threads and boards are enjoyable by the majority of the users."
I got it.
Although it is difficult to make a standard, do we add to a deletion policy about a slander?

>>47 イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U is offering to become a volunteer.

To: Jim-san

I have a basic question for making a deletion policy.
Will you save the bbs data as long as possible?
The reason why I have this question is in the following.
A value of information is increase if off-topic is deleted.
If you will not save the bbs data for a long time, deleting off-topic is unnecessary,
although it might be necessary to keep the rule of the topic.

Dear JIM-san.

Less than 21 years old
↓
Less than 18 years old

It is a question about a change of JIM-san.

When it is California state law with the server of BBSPINK, less than 21 years old is a prohibition.

JIM-san ignores a server place of BBSPINK and does not become a problem?

If JIM-san does not have a problem, we want to unify it by prohibition under 18 years old.

（ in Japanese ）
21歳未満を18歳未満にして、BBSPINKのサーバーがあるカリフォルニア州法には問題がないか。
JIMさんに問題がなければ、18歳未満禁止で統一したいと考えます。って意味ですが。通じますかね。。。

>>59
それは前ｽﾚでむむむさんが聞いて、
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1083466372/890
その上で「その答えは18です」ってお答えがありませんでしたっけ？
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1083466372/902


「出会い」に関するJimさんの考えはどうなんだろう？
セフレ、恋人、メル友募集などは2chでは禁止されていたけれども。

また、ひろゆき@2ch管理人は、出会い系は売買春の温床になりかねないので、BBSPINKがそれらを容認するようなら、2chからのリンクを外すと言われて居るようですが、これらはJimさんには伝わってるのかな？

>>60
（ in Japanese ）
そうなんですが
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1083466372/902 で示した先のレス
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153507675/36　のレス内容について
79さんは「そうね。Jimが変えて、Jimが責任をとるんだから、それでいいんじゃない？」と仰っているので。
今回まほらさんからも疑問を受けたので聞いてみました。
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1152712869/468

とりあえず落ちます。

Japanese only

>>61
管理人が責任取るなら何も問題いらないでしょ。
topの英語文章変えたのjimさん本人だし。

koroさんは「１８歳の高校生がbbspinkを利用してもjimは問題ないと思っているか？」と聞くべきじゃないかな。

>>60
それの問題点は何かを説明しないと判断できないと思う。
jimは掲示板の外においての活動を主目的とするために募集や勧誘を書き込むのをどう思うか聞いてみてはどうでしょうか？

Dear Jim,

Do you think it is ok for high school students can come to BBSPINK?

the wording ''over 18 years old'' includes high school students sometimes.

Do you think it is ok for high school students to come to BBSPINK?

sorry

The age is 18 that is the legal age. It has nothing to do with what people do during the day.

I agree with prohibition for under 18 nobody under the age of 18 is allowed.

I get it, thank you.

one more question,

we are now discustting bbspink guideline on the following thread.

http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1152747151/

we'd like to make a brief line, a kind of draft guide line based on 2ch gilde line.

Do you mind our discustting about that, and we'd like to show you that translation later.
and you can change whatever if you do not like that.

is that ok or not?

volunteer update
◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
◆TECHCS.zfQ
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U
Any complaints about the volunteers they must be made here, or on the next thread.

I am now taking nominations for leader.
1st nomination is Toro-san who has requested this job several times. It will be one your
Office, and resigning is not allowed, except for unable to do the job because of sickness.

Are there any other nominations?
I will not be able to be online for 72 hours, so lets make a deadline of Monday July 31
for nominations.
After nominations we will have a vote and multiple post bbspink one time to let people know of the vote.

Jim-san

Please sleep early. 〜♪

I am going to sleep now, but I am very happy with my idea in >>68
Then deleters that want to be the leader can campaign all week-end.
Oyasumi nasai

Have a nice weekend, Jim-san.

>>68
> Toro-san
should be "TORU-san".

His handle name in Japanese is "トオル", so,
it may fit to "Tooru-san", but he calls himself as "TORU", as you've seen before.
So, I think you should use "TORU-san" as his name.

Jim-san,

>>65
Hmm... some Japanese law clearly separated that whether the target person is
high-school student or not. For example, "Enjo-Kosai" issue.

So, we need very careful operation about the issue.
So, I think this issue must be reviewed by someone of Japanese lawyer.

Fortunately, a famous Japanese lawyer, Kazuo Makino and Hiroyuki co-published
the book about copyright matters in 2ch:

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/4756147704/250-4359237-0705866?v=glance&n=465392

So, Jim-san, Hiroyuki may introduce Makino-san to you.
I strongly recommend you make a request vir email that
Hiroyuki introduces you to Makino-san.

Hiroyuki is one of our best friend, of course.
So, I think he will make a cooperation for bbspink.

-- Mumumu

>>68
JIM-san

"Toro" is a raw meat, and it is fatty.
The tuna that has gotten on on the sushi is famous.
http://www.hougyo.com/no2/chutorosushi.jpg

Tuna's fat appears in front of you when you order "Toro" in the sushi parlor.

ふむふむ。Jimはおｋと思っているけど、日本国内では高校生か否かは
注意を要する問題だから、日本国内の弁護士と相談しれってことなのぬ。

ってスレ違いだなｗｗｗｽﾏｿです！姐さん。しばらく吊ってきますｗｗｗ


　 ､　　 ∩
(　^∀^)彡　貧弱たん！貧弱塾の技！
　　⊂彡

Oh! Excuse me!
I wrote a message for another board. I'm really sorry.

Would you mind to ignore message #76?

>>77
"Would you mind ..." style sometimes sticks to formalities, I think,
like "Would you mind if I smoke?".

Jim-san is very frank and nice guy,
so, I recommend you use "Please ignore my message #76." simply.

>>78
Thank you for your kind advice.

To: Jim-san

Please let me do the volunteer.

To Jim-san
It increases making use of the translation software. If there is an impoliteness because of that, please pardon.
I am the lesbian person.Jim-san knows, is glad when there is understanding in the homosexual love and the lesbian love, very.
I thought that we would like to participate in the volunteer, by informing that.
I think that in the future, we would like to cooperate as much as possible in you.
Thank you.


Have a nice weekend,

Jimさんへ
翻訳ソフトを利用してますので失礼があれば容赦下さい。
私は同性愛者です。Jimさんは同性愛に理解のあると知り、とても嬉しく思います。
私はそれを知った事によってボランティアに参加したいと思いました。
今後も出来る限りの協力をしたいと思います。有り難うございました。

どうぞ良い週末をお過ごし下さい。

Jim-san,I'm sorry,I cannot write English well.

I want to become a volunteer of BBIPINK Deletor.(Not Leader)
I send an email to TORU-san, and it is conveyed the intention.
If you are interested what kind of person I am,
please try to ask TORU-san. He will judge whether I am suitable for Deletor.

I think
TORU is most suitable as a leader till the system
which we make operates smoothly.
When the system operate smoothly,then another people will be the leader.
TORU is too busy to stay at the position.

Dear Jim-san.

I want to apply for a volunteer, too.

Thanks.

>>83's another handle-name is “オカン”, means 'mom' or 'mommy'.

jim-san,

hajimemashite.
(Do you know?
It is a meaning of "Nice to meet you" in English.
in Japanese　はじめまして　)

I somewhat understand English. However, it is not good writing English.
I am sorry,if there is an impoliteness.

I was participating in the discussion about bbspink as "the anonymous coward".
And I'm 2channel's volunteer. It is of course 18 years old or more.
First of all, I want to tell the administrator of BBPINK my intention.
Could you make me help BBSPINK?
I would like to become a BBSPINK's volunteer.

I will email to TORU-san later.
To apply for http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/82 .
(Sorry,I don't have ability to translate ↑ into English)

Shinobu-san, check your E-Mail Box(means 'del@…', not 'shinobu@…'), please.

>>68の日本語置いときますね。
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153505188/6

Nice to meet you the Jim-san.
My name is 龍◆0RbUzIT0To
I like this bulletin board very much.
I want to be useful for　Jim-san.
Chore　Translation　Deletion　and so on
Please let the volunteer participate by all means
Thanks

　

>>68
not Volunteer?????
What is remuneration?
Remuneration is required if it is job.

>>68

I recommend IZUMI_san almost as same as TORU_san.
He has a sense of responsibility, too, and English is a story and wisdom, too.
He resigned a deletion person of 2ch to become a deletion person of BBSPINK.
I think that IZUMI_san is suitable.
TORU_san is powerful for a BBSPINK start; think that support it.

>>68
All volunteers cooperate in you for oneself.
They have own life.
They cooperate in you within the possible range.

If the resignation is not allowed, you might lose them.
They are here for the communications place.
They are volunteer to not you but users.
Your volunteer is the means for it.
So, they want to be avoiding own load.

>>68 Jim-san
I don't receive in its condition.
I want to make something for bbspink.
But, I don't have a mind that it is OFFICE.

If you hope for maintenance by volunteers like 2ch, you should consider for volunteers.

I think that I decrease the load by nominating more leaders.
You need not prohibit resigning.
Even if someone resigns, you only have to adopt it newly.
And, This plan will make the time that you adopt any leaders.

リーダーさんは病気以外の理由で辞めることは許されないんだね。
給料も何も出さないのにどうしてそこまで偉そうにできるんだか。

>>68
> I am now taking nominations for leader.
> 1st nomination is Toro-san who has requested this job several times. It will be one your
> Office, and resigning is not allowed, except for unable to do the job because of sickness.

Jim-san,

I think you have to explain the reason why leader is one your office,
and resigning is not allowed.

I think it is very important point of your administration policy.
So, it is time to use following thread for publishing your point of view
with your cap.

■ Jim's thinking (part 1)
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153507675/

Jim-san,

Do you think that the volunteer has the obligation?
Moreover, will it assume the responsibility to volunteer?
Are there differences in leader's condition and volunteer's condition?

2channel's volunteer has neither obligation nor responsibility.
They help so that the user may use the bulletin board comfortably.
Do you intend to change this stance?

tubo kara kimasuta !

translation of >>97:
"I came from tubo(famous 2ch browser)!"

This is a pen

I'm kim chan.

これはひどい


Too bad.....

I am a leader

I like Pink Bbs !

>>98 would be:

"Just I'm coming from Tubo (it is one of famous 2ch browsers)!"

It's no famous !

I like here!
I love here!

I seem to be me

You seem to be you

Oh...
I don't know TUBO.
What is this?

I like a Japan

How do you say TUBO in English ?


By the way,
Do you think I an ARASHI?

I'm 駄馬, ﾊﾟｶﾗｯ ﾊﾟｶﾗｯ

How do you eat kimchi?

My Neme is　Dabinoji
Karakuri　Masuter　ok？

>>114 is one of the characters of the cartoon"GUN-doh MUSASHI".
the very cool JapanIMation by MONKEY PUNCH

Hello Mr. Jim.

I am "cyan", deletion person on 2channnel.
And I was doing deletion on bbspink as same as.
I'd like to join bbspink's volunteer also future.
May I have those work?

I love you,Mr.Jim.

The same method as 2ch will be impossible.
It is desirable to pay a countervalue and to employ the staff of exclusive use.

Jim-san,

Please understand the volunteer system of 2ch at 1st.

* The deletion system of 2ch is not perfect.
* The deletion system of 2ch needs a lot of volunteer.
* The participation reason for the volunteer of 2ch has only their own motivation.

To keep the scale, you should defend them from the risks.
I think that the following concepts are necessary to defend them.



What is Deleter?

Deleter can delete only for user's convenience.
Deleter cannot do the deletion that makes the infringement of right and the law, etc. grounds.
Only Mr. Jim can judge it.

Deleter is a user.
Only the deletion as the user is admitted in Deleter.
Deleter cannot take part in the site management and the policy as the organization.


>>◆79EROOYuCc
Please correct the difference of the delicate nuance.

If I cannot defend them, I cannot consign the deletion to them.
So, I cannot become a leader until Jim-san understands my concepts.

>>120
>>Deleter cannot do the deletion that makes the infringement of right and the law.

You seem like SAMURAI, and cool! however,
I do not understand your intension.
Could you give me a reason and an example?

>>122
2ch has Hiroyuki-san. But, BBSPINK doesn't have the person in charge in Japan.
Deleter comes to have to delete the malfeasance and the violation if there is no limitation.
When Deleter was not able to be deleted, this will become a legal risk.

Deleter is not a specialist of the law.
To avoid the risk even if message is the justifiable criticism, Deleter must delete it.
Please understand the lawsuit risk of Deleter is larger than that of Mr. Jim in Japan.

Please hire professionals if you request the interpretation of the law to Deleter.
If Mr. Jim requests it to the any volunteers, I cannot agree.

>>123
>>Deleter cannot do the deletion that makes the infringement of right and the law.

So, your meaning is that a deleter does not need to follow the law when he/she judges a deletion, but he/she must follow only a deletion policy.

The reason is because he/she is not a professional lawyer, and he/she has a legal risk since Jim is not in Japan.

Is this your intention?

What kind of a legal risk we have?
Could you give me an example?

>◆IZUMI162i6
>◆MARY/2Kkkc

Please look at two Res of >>65 and >>73.

I think that the grinding match of the aspect as the American of Mr. jim and
the Japanese by the user and the aspect is necessary for the guideline and
knowing BBSPINK.

And, I think that the guideline should receive the examination by the specialist as
Mr. MUMUMU is proposing it.

How about this proposal?

（in Japanese）

お二人さん。

>>65と>>73の２つのレスを見て下さい。

私は、BBSPINKのガイドライン、および心得はjimさんのアメリカ人としての視点と
ユーザによる日本人と視点の摺り合わせが必要と思います。

そして、MUMUMUさんが提案している通り、そのガイドラインは専門家による審査を
受ける必要があると思います。

この提案は如何でしょうか？

Let's talk with Mr.Jim here.
Let's talk without Mr.Jim there.

> So, your meaning is that a deleter does not need to follow the law
> when he/she judges a deletion
No. I think Deleter must not follow the law.
All Japanese have to correspond to the infringement of right if it is possible.
If Deleter can do a legal judgment as the site, Deleter will not be able to escape the obligation.


Example
*****************************************************************
Dear BBSPINK,

This is IZUMI from IZUMI Corp in Japan.

Delete the following messages.
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/xxxxxxxxxx/119-121
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/xxxxxxxxxx/123

Your site damages our honor. delete it immediately.

Best regards,

*****************************************************************


The message might be a justifiable criticism.
However, you are hesitating in whether it is a justifiable criticism or an infringement of right.
Can you judge "Do not delete it" for this request?
And, can you say to other Deleter, "Please have the danger"?

The legal risk may cause illegal risk.
For example,violence,intimidation,extortion and so on.

For instance,he/she refuses the deletion of >>127

RE:IZUMI of IZUMI;co
｢I claimed "you" should delete. The reason is a violation of the law.
However, the deletion was refused. I want to pursue this responsibility. ｣

at this time

D:｢i do not have a knowledge of law. And i am not a lawyer.
Therefore, i am not being given the authority to do a legal judgment　by the owner.
Only the owner has this power.
It is clearly shown in http://pie.bbspink.com/xxx/｣

I think that he/she should be able to insist like this.

>>125
I am not sure about it, but I do not think it is a big problem,
because I could find many web site in Japan says only "not to enter under 18 years old".

>>127
Thank you for your explanation and an example.
I still do not understand this part why is it?
"If Deleter can do a legal judgment as the site, Deleter will not be able to escape the obligation."

>The message might be a justifiable criticism.
>However, you are hesitating in whether it is a justifiable criticism or an infringement of right.
>Can you judge "Do not delete it" for this request?
>And, can you say to other Deleter, "Please have the danger"?

If the deleter is not sure, then he/she can ask a leader.
If the leader is not sure, then he/she can ask Jim.
If Jim does not delete it, then Jim gets a plaint.
The volunteer has no legal risk, here.

>>128
Very good point, Kotaro-san.
To avoid both the legal risk and illegal risk,
I suggest one volunteer obligation.

* An official volunteer must keep secret on the public about his/her contact address.
Otherwise, Jim can not prevent from someone sending a volunteer a plaint.

>>130
If deleter can stop the infringement of right as the Japanese people.

Hesitating might be no problem.
If Deleter judges, "I leave this message", the risk is generated.
So, Deleter will be not able to do the judgment that leaves the message.

Therefore, I ask you again.
Can you judge "Do not delete it" for this request?
And, can you say to other Deleter, "Please have the danger"?

なんか文が切れてるぞ。

The law demands to stop the infringement of right.
If deleter can stop the infringement of right as the Japanese people.

>>131-132
Now, finally, I think I got your intention.
I was impressed for your consideration.
So, you think a risk is generated when a deleter recognizes a writing has a violation.

I think that a risk is not generated yet, when a deleter find a writing and he does not recognizes a violation, even if it has a violation.
So, he has to delete when he is sure about a violation, but he can leave it when he is not sure.

>Can you judge "Do not delete it" for this request?

Yes, I can leave a posting, when I do not recognize it has a violation.

>And, can you say to other Deleter, "Please have the danger"?

No, I cannot say it.
I allow them to delete anytime when they recognize a violation.

MARYさんは日本語できない人なの？
IZUMIさんは英語では細かいニュアンスが伝えられないようなので、
日本語できる人相手に英語で議論するのは全く無駄な事です。

IZUMIさんは他スレに日本語で色々細かい所も書いているので、
MARYさんはそれを読んでみて、必要があれば日本語で議論してみて、
その結果を、Jimさん向けにここに英語で書けばいいと思います。

>>134
They(we) might be better speak in English as in detail as possible.

I think that JIM should be able to trace the discussion later.

of course,the discussion have to be done by using Japanese in another place,too.

>>134
あ、申し訳ない。
>>135は誤読して書いてしまった･･･。
すみません。

>>134
i think so too.

>>134
あぁ、なるほど。さんくです。そういやそうですね。


いや、なんかこういう議論とか経緯とかも見せることでJimさんに
現状の問題とかふいんきとかを掴んでもらう作戦なのかなとか思ってますたが
自分がそんなん書いても微妙極まりなく・・・。

>>134
Jim-san must know our personality to build trust, not only understanding each idea.
The conversation above helps Jim-san to understand IZUMI-san's personality, including his deep consideration, strong patient, maturely.
I think it is more valuable than we talk without Jim-san's eyes.
It was a reason I used this sled.

I close this conversation, although I am sorry before seeing his flexibility.
I believe he has it.

>>137
Thank you for your conversation. I touched your mind and I enjoyed it, today.

日本語と英語両方で書いてくれると、細かいニュアンスも伝わって、誤訳があれば指摘してもらえて、Jimさんにも話の流れが伝わって、いいと思うが。

>>139 says:
For Japanese speakers who post comments only with English:
I think it would be better to post comment with both Japanese and English.
Japanese people would be able to feel fine nuance from original text, and
if there are mistakes in translated text, people could figure out it and can correct it.
Of course, English-translated text could help Jim-sam to understand course of
story.

PINKの削除依頼板＆削除心得。。。2
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/445　から以降、責任問題について深く議論中
誰かＪＩＭ氏用に訳してくれまいか？

ちゃろ ★とか桃色吐息 ★が、自分達の判断で★発行したり、板止めたり、設定変更してるから、リーダーは彼等のどちらかみたいだよ。

I am back, what a long strange trip it has been. I would have been online yesterday
but I was caught up in a flood in the Philippines. Let me read what has happened now
and then I will start answering people.

Following people are offering to become volunteers.

◆YassyNGhTM (>>80)
◆IG7FqGWJqU (>>82)
エボラ ◆172VC7723I (>>83)
◆NerINe83fk (>>85)
龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To (>>88)
halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU (>>116)

volunteer update
◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
◆TECHCS.zfQ
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U
◆YassyNGhTM
◆IG7FqGWJqU
Techcs ◆TECHCS.zfQ
エボラ ◆172VC7723I
◆NerINe83fk
龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To
halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU

>>91 >>92
I am thinking leader should have the position for 1 year and next election
next year.
My thought on no resignation is this.
Volunteers can resign anytime they want to, they are under no obligation.
Leader is elected position, and is for 1 year.
Since it is anonymous election, nobody would really know the offline person
that is elected.
So it would be on your honor to help make the new election for next new leader
if you can not stay for 1 year.

>>96
Volunteers may come and go as they please. There is no obligation.
Lets use the system comfortably, and have fun.

>>109
>>111
Tubo is great!
This is tubo
http://tubo.80.kg/
It is pronounced Turbo in english with the R sound. so tubo is better for Japanese I think.

Mr.jim,

How is it thought about the responsibility?

For instance, to the lawsuit because of the outside.


(The volunteer doesn't assume the responsibility in two channels. )

ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ　bokki-age

Jim hello. I depend on machine translation.

A Japanese law is revised.

I think that there is a problem in "http://test.up.bbspink.com/upload.php".

When an illegal image was uploaded, bbspink is brought into question directly by 1, uploader of bbspink. It is different from a note of url of a bulletin board

Because 2, a bbspink bulletin board do not suffer from a site to offer an obscene image falling under a Japanese law to, I think that it is the method that is not good that treat an image in a bbspink domain.

3, anyone can make a page letting you think that you prepared of bbspink. Confusion happens thereby.
http://test.up.bbspink.com/filestore/pinkbe.html
This is a made example.


There is little demand for "http://test.up.bbspink.com/upload.php".
I wish that I want use to stop.
Even if there is not uploader, there can be a bbspink bulletin board.
I am concerned about problem outbreak by uploader in bbspink.

There are two questions in Jim_san.

Responsibility of the person that the first deletes it is a thing to where.
IZUMI_san is the same as it being asked you a question in res.

It is asked so a court of law responsibility about deletion in 2ch,
and I do not intend to appear.

The second is a question about a leader.
A leader manages an account of other members.
I mean as for it namely that I obtain personal information of other members.
A deletion account and personal e-mail address.

A leader seems to be a - turn to totally clean, and, as for me, there is resistance in what - changes in one year.

ヽ(`Д´)ﾉ ｳﾜｧｧｧﾝ！
I feel like being machine translation tatters. . . .

My English is strange

Maybe I am making a mistake on asking for a 1 year office?

I was going to answer each question individually but so many are basically the repeated question
of who is responsible.
Let me answer.
I am completely responsible for bbspink. Nobody else has any legal liability with it.
deleters are volunteers, and are not to be known publicly. personal information will not be collected
If there is personal information it will be kept in the USA, and only I will have access to it.

You's better tell the users:
Why you chose the vote?
What you want the leader do exactly?

I mean 'You'd'

Dear Mr Jim.
I'm one of the user of bbs pink.
My U.S.E is poor, But I try to be bridge.

That's point is important for everyone, Mr jim.
The Volunteer would like to know the most basic decision of the structure.

"Who will take the legal accountability?"

Court already adjudicated, "bulletin board manager owes legal accountability".
Concretely, - Defamation, violation of Goodwill. - about Compensation for damages.

The Volunteer is not manager, Ofcourse.
The Volunteer is not some part of the management.
That's why, The Volunteer will not able to take the responsibility, specially about legal accountability.

The volunteer only deletes the case with the breach of rules like the machine.
The manager judges the deletion request that reason is illegal.

It is necessary to post it officially.
General's word will move a lot of volunteers. like a military forces.

and, The Volunteer worries about leader knows to another volunteer's privacy.
basicly, -Leak of official secrets-

Could you think about it please.

All the best

Does Jim_san perform setting of a deletion script and setting of a deletion account?

For the staff who cannot speak English, as for it, I think to become a slightly difficult problem.
There is the reason why we request a leader of a deletion person there.

>>156
Leader will organize the deleters. I want to have the vote because we have
had two nominations for leader, and then we can begin to work on the task at hand.
Leader will also be anonymous and I will take complete responsibility for bbspink.

I recommend ◆ 79EROOYuCc to a leader.

Because she can mediate between Jim and a volunteer by English.
I think that she approaches a bulletin board to think of of Jim than a person showing the leadership.

Besides, she can go out with you in "デンパ". Her circumstances can become a volunteer and a cushion between Jim.

>>160
Are leader obligated to do something?

>>162
The leader has no obligation to do anything. It is only a matter of convenience
and wanting to do something for the community that will motivate the leader.
I am hoping that our deletion leader is someone that wants to help.

Deletion leader nominations have already been closed.
There is a voting link here. please vote.
http://shibuya.v.la/test/r.i/etc100/1154322056/

リーダーはなになくていいってさ。
ひろゆこを推薦すればいい流れ？

I recommend Hiroyuki to a leader.

>>162
Hiroyuki-san,

Just I made a cap handle for you.

This handle is "ひろゆき ★", not "どうやら管理人 ★", because you are not
an administrator of bbspink.

But its password is the same as "どうやら管理人 ★" in 2ch.
So, now you can use it here for authenticating yourself.

As you know, currently the BE system does not work in bbspink, so,
I recommend you would use the cap handle for preventing the forgery of
your important writing.

-- Mumumu

機械翻訳なので内容が正確に伝わらないかも知れませんが書いてみます。

ジムさんならびにこのスレを利用されている皆さんこんにちは。HGです。
今日はこちらのスレッドを削除ツールの誤操作で間違えて削除してしまいました。
突然の事でびっくりした人も沢山いらっしゃると思います。
皆さんにご迷惑をおかけして申し訳ございませんでした。すみません。
今後はこのような失敗をしないよう、これまで以上に慎重に慎重に作業していきます。

Because it is machine translation, contents may not come precisely, but try to write it.

All of you hello that it is used Jim and this thread. It is HG.
I have deleted a thread of this place by false operation of a deletion tool by mistake today.
I think that a lot of people surprised at a sudden thing come.
I am sorry to trouble all of you. I'm sorry.
I will carry out such an activity carefully more carefully in future not to fail.

test

>>168
Thank you.

I copied the cap to all bbspink BBS servers. (pie, idol, sakura01-03).
So, you can use this for your important writing in bbspink.

>>164
Good job, Jim-san.
When are you going to close the vote?
I want to wait for voting until hearing their final mind whether they want to be a leader or not.

>>164
Jim-san

Is it the specification which cannot be voted from PC?
PCから投票出来ないのは仕様ですか？

To: all;

And I have an wish about the previous thread of this.

The current 2ch/bbspink system, the 1000-reached threads are archived to
the pastlog storage.

As you know, the pastlog archive can read by '●' (oyster) system by using
2ch browsers, but currently, oyster system does not support for standard
web browsers, typically IE and Firefox, etc.

So, I think the previous thread should be archived and HTML-nized on
some other place for publishing and referencing our important discussion.

Could someone undertake this?

-- Mumumu

P.S. I think this page should be written in both English and Japanese,
because Jim-san would refer it.

>>172
> As you know, the pastlog archive can read by '●' (oyster) system by using
> 2ch browsers

should be:

As you know, the pastlog archive can be read by '●' (oyster) system by using
2ch browsers

Sorry.

>>172
I undertake it.

>>174
Thank you. Please do it and show URL here when you've done.

>>167
I am sorry for the inconvenience. It is the only Japanese voting site I knew.
Don`t most people have cellphone in Japan now?
Please vote anyway domo wazawaza sumi-masen

>>174
Thank you Mary

ここにあるみたいだよー？
http://kintubo.kakiko.com/pinkbbs/kako/kakolog.html

previous thread:
Let's talk with Jim-san
http://kintubo.kakiko.com/pinkbbs/kako/1083466372.html

OK, lets vote here too.
http://tubo000.ninki.net/idol/ero/erobbs/index.html
you can access this through tubo

>>178
Oh, it's good. Thank you for your pointing.

But Mary-san, you can make your own pastlog archive for getting diversity.

>>178 thank you.I bookmarked it. Lots of good memories

>>178
Oh, thank you very much to telling it.

>>177
No problem, anytime.
I don't make the page since there is already here. >>178

(The announcement in Japanese about the vote)

Jim-san says
PINK削除人リーダー投票のアドレスです。投票しましょう。
http://shibuya.v.la/test/r.i/etc100/1154322056/
http://tubo000.ninki.net/idol/ero/erobbs/index.html
下は壺を通して投票できます。

(Jim-san's words in Japanese)

ジムさんの意図と思われる訳をしますが、間違っている箇所がありましたらご指摘ください。

155 名前：Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys [] 投稿日：2006/07/31(月) 15:13:14 ID:laeG3rQ4
I was going to answer each question individually but so many are basically the repeated question
of who is responsible.
Let me answer.
I am completely responsible for bbspink. Nobody else has any legal liability with it.
deleters are volunteers, and are not to be known publicly. personal information will not be collected
If there is personal information it will be kept in the USA, and only I will have access to it.

私は各質問に答えるつもりでしたが、基本的に"誰が責任者なのか"という多数の同じ質問の繰り返しでした。
それにお答えします。
私はBBSPINKにおける全ての責任を負います。
私以外の誰も、いかなる法的な責任を負うことがありません。
削除人は有志であり、公に知らされません。
個人情報は集められません。
もし個人情報が保管されるときは、それは合衆国内にあり、私ただ一人だけがそれにアクセスします。

160 名前：Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★[] 投稿日：2006/07/31(月) 15:26:28 ID:???
>>156
Leader will organize the deleters. I want to have the vote because we have
had two nominations for leader, and then we can begin to work on the task at hand.
Leader will also be anonymous and I will take complete responsibility for bbspink.

リーダーは削除人を編制します。
2人の候補者がいるので、私は投票を行いたいと思います。
そして、私達はat handで仕事を始めることができます。（？）
リーダーも同様にanonymouseであり、私が完全にBBSPINKにおける責任を持ちます。


163 名前：Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys ＠Apparently admin ★[] 投稿日：2006/07/31(月) 15:32:56 ID:???
>>162
The leader has no obligation to do anything. It is only a matter of convenience
and wanting to do something for the community that will motivate the leader.
I am hoping that our deletion leader is someone that wants to help.

リーダーには何の義務もありません。
それは単に便宜上であり、共同体に要求されるものであり、それがリーダーの動機となることでしょう。（？）
私は我々の削除リーダーが、奉仕精神を持つ方であることを望んでいます。

I think that I had better pay attention to a reply of Jim_san,
IZUMI_san and TORU_san.


My doubt. Is not there it whether you may be made to take
responsibility because a deletion person does not delete a request?

What is work of a leader of a deletion person?

（in Japanese）
訳するスレがあるんだから、訳はそっちへ張ったほうがいいんじゃないか。

Jim-san
Handlename is changed.
龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To→苺 ◆BladeyqILk

And
black star mark(★) was gotten from Mr. mumumu.
therefore
The volunteer does as long as time forgives.

I propose the faction system.
My judgment is not perfect.
I need person who does an idea different from me.
I still hope some leaders exist.

Dear Jim-san

I'm sorry for delay of introduce myself.
My name is ◆DQN/9/VVV.
I am honored to place the name in a line as a volunteer.
I also rely on the machine translation.Please forgive the thing.

I should apologize.Because I made a mistake.
I committed an offense a little while ago.
I have deleted writing that should not be deleted.
Url is the this.
http://sakura02.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/kageki2/1134884383/100
The writing is being restored now.

I was a stripling yet yet....
It reflects deeply.sorry....orz

>>145
Thank you.

Dear Jim-san

Will you do me a favor.

Because you expressed the situation of "deleter"
I just think that I want to support you in the situation of "deleter".
Is it still in time?

I am the general user of PINKBBS.
Then, I don't belong to the volunteer of "2ch".
I don't often understand but I try to study.

Thanks and Best regards.

Because the performance of the English translation tool is low, it is not
possible to read. ＞＜；

全責任が誰にあるかではなくて、日本国民の義務を回避するには？って伝えたいんだが・・。

しかし、投票で決めたら匿名じやなくてトオルでも漏れでも誰がリーダーかバレバレじゃないか？

日本国民の義務って？
「決められた削除GLに則って、淡々と削除する削除人が円滑に削除活動を行えるように、皆をまとめる削除人のリーダー」であって、運営とか法解釈とかの判断はしないんだし、そういうのは華麗にそれをやってみせた、むむむとかちゃろにまかせとけばいいじゃん。

volunteer update
◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
◆TECHCS.zfQ
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U
◆YassyNGhTM
◆IG7FqGWJqU
Techcs ◆TECHCS.zfQ
エボラ ◆172VC7723I
◆NerINe83fk
龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To
halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU
苺 ◆BladeyqILk ＠いちごぴんく ★
◆/zZzZz/POE

Dear Jim-san

"龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To" = "苺 ◆BladeyqILk ＠いちごぴんく ★"
>>188-189
Please remove "龍 ◆0RbUzIT0To" from the volunteer list.

volunteer update
◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
◆TECHCS.zfQ
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U
◆YassyNGhTM
◆IG7FqGWJqU
Techcs ◆TECHCS.zfQ
エボラ ◆172VC7723I
◆NerINe83fk
halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU
苺 ◆BladeyqILk ＠いちごぴんく ★
◆/zZzZz/POE

Hi, Jim-san.
How are you, today?
Is there anything you want to talk about until the vote closed?

BBS PINK削除ガイドライン検討スレッド3
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1154144676/29

translation;

Is Jim-san going to make his own guide line? I think he says so.
do you guys forget about that?

Does TORU-san say "I will be leader"?

I can't become a leader, but I can become a bubble leader.
First, you should crock bubbleman to become it.

Jim-san,

If someone requests the deletion for the reasons for defamation, what should deleters do?
Can Deleters judge it is defamation or not?
Or does Jim-san do it?

もし名誉毀損とかの削除依頼があったら削除人はどうすればいい？
削除人が判断してもいい？
それともJimさんが判断する？

削除人が判断したら責任が発生しちゃいますよん。
告訴されて裁判受けなきゃならん類の責任が。

そんなときの管理人裁定のような気が。日本語ですまん

Jim-san,

Can I make KOKOROE between BBSPINK and Deleter that I assign?

If I can it, I can be leader.

I choose izumi-san.

中間発表
http://shibuya.v.la/test/r.i/etc100/1154322056/

[1]◆IZUMI162i6　　67票(51%)
[2]◆ZFz/q7JaS6 ＠TORU ★　　63票(48%)

http://tubo000.ninki.net/idol/ero/erobbs/index.html
1 ◆IZUMI162i6 　　2
2 ◆ZFz/q7JaS6 ＠TORU ★ 　0

>>207
Great, Izumi-san.
Could you explain what kind of KOKOROE you want to assign, and give me a reason?

Jim-san,

There is a thread to exchange child porno on a bbbspink bulletin board.
Do you think that a deletion person should delete the thread?

>>211
(In Japanese)
●削除人とは
・削除人とは限定された条件でのみ任意に削除してもよい権利を与えられた利用者です。
・削除人とは掲示板利用者の交流を守るために存在します。削除によって利用者の交流を妨げないよう配慮してください。

●制限
・削除人はガイドライン及びローカルルールで指定された対象しか削除してはなりません。
　ただし、管理者の裁定及び判断は全ての制限よりも優先されます。
・削除人はキャップ漏れ以外の理由で自身の発言を削除してはなりません。
・削除人は削除すべきか迷った投稿を削除してはなりません。
・削除人はガイドライン及びローカルルール上の誹謗中傷の項等権利侵害への配慮により
　削除対象と指定されたを根拠に削除を行えますが、　これBBSPINKの自主規制的なものであり
　法律に基づいたものではありません。
　法律を根拠にした権利侵害の削除依頼について削除人は判断してはなりません。
　それはJim氏にのみ判断する権利があります。
・削除人がガイドラインで指定されていない対象を削除した場合、
　処理理由についてリーダー及びJim氏に対して説明する義務を負います。
　処理理由の説明については削除議論板等にて公開される可能性があります。
・削除人は削除権に伴う自身のアカウントを管理する義務を負います。
・削除人は削除スクリプトに関連した情報や運営に関する情報について守秘義務を負います。
・削除人は削除行為について物品及び金銭の授受を行ってはなりません。

●削除権
・削除権とは限定された範囲で任意に削除を行う権利であり行使しない自由があります。
・削除権の行使は削除依頼の有無に依存しません。依頼は対象を知るきっかけであって一切の権利を制限しません。
・削除人は削除権の行使について管理人に対しKOKOROEに基づいた責任を負います。
・削除人は任意のタイミングで削除権を返却することが出来ます。
・削除人は「制限」を逸脱した場合、削除権を強制的に返却してもらうことがあります。

●必要事項
・削除人は連絡の取れるメールアドレスを保持する必要があります。
・削除人は定期的(期間どうするよ？)に指定された周知(ML?)の内容を確認する必要があります。
・削除人が「必要事項」を満たせなくなる場合は事前に報告する必要があります。
　また、その間削除を行ってはなりません。

●お願い
・削除人は削除依頼に対して処理の報告をしてくれるのが好ましいです。
・削除人は自身の個人情報について外部に出さぬよう注意するのが好ましいです。
・削除人は自身の削除に関する行為について問題や疑問が発生した際、報告をするのが好ましいです。

●合意について
・KOKOROEの内容は適宜変更されることがあります。その際１週間(？)の周知期間を設けますので
　条件等について意見がある、もしくは合意できなくなる場合はご連絡ください。



とかやっつけで書いて見たが。英語は途中で面倒になったので誰かボスケテ。
また、必要な項目とか修正案とかあったら言ってくれ。

>>213
Could you give each KOKOROE the number for convenience?
Moreover, could you give us the each reason why it is necessary?

>>214
(In Japanese)
長いんで別んとこに置きました。
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~eita/kokoroe.html
1-1, 1-2, 2-1, 2-4,3-1, 3-4　- 削除人のリスク回避のための項目
　2chでは「ボランティアです」とあるが、曖昧なニュアンスを含むので利用者とした
　削除人が判断しないことで発生するリスクをJim氏に預けるための表現もある

2-2, 2-3, 2-6, 2-7, 2-8, 3-2, 3-3,3-5　- 2chと同様の削除人条件、もしくはその明文化

4-1, 4-2, 4-3　- 周知フローの一元化、及び裁定等による緊急対応などの際の意識統一など情報流通の整備のための項目
　2chではhelloとかが下から上への流れに使われているが、上からは多数あるスレの巡回で行ってるのを統一する目的

5-1, 5-2, 5-3　- 削除人がやってくれると嬉しい項目

6-1　- KOKOROEを法律や実際の運用において修正する必要が出てきたときに対応するための項目
　2chではいつの間にか書き変わっている事があるが、削除人にはその変更のたびに意見を出したり
　リスクを見て削除人を辞めたり判断できる機会が必要だと思うので。


引き續き意見募集中。

>>215
Okey, I am going to try to translate >>211 in English.
Give me a time about an half of a day.

To: IZUMI-san

2-6　削除人は削除権に伴う自身のアカウントを管理する義務を負います。

この「管理」の意図が不明確です。具体的にお願いします。

蓮割れしないようにとか、そういう意味の「管理」じゃね？

>>217
(In Japanese)
削除人は、削除権を持つアカウント情報を、他者に漏洩してはなりません。

とかの方が英訳しやすいかな？

>>218,>>219
I got it. Thanks.

ねえ、心得スレでやった方がいいと思うけど
なんでjimスレで修正や意見を出し合ってるの？

スレ違いじゃね

何度言っても分からんのねこの人

>>215-221
The deleter must not leak out own account for deletion under his control.

>>223 PLZ REMOVE THE WORD >his>[NO NEED] or REPLACE his TO"one's"
SORRY. :-(

To: Jim-san,

These are IZUMI-san's ideas of "KOKOROE".
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~eita/kokoroe.html
He is hoping to be a leader under this condition.
The purposes of his ideas are to protect a deleter from a law risk, to avoid making a mistake, and to organize smoothly.

A purpose of my translation is only that you to understand his ideas roughly.
These rules have to be edited substantially and grammatically before issuing, if you use his ideas.

(Please change "he" to "she" when it is necessary.)

"KOKOROE", RULES OF DELETER

●1. WHAT IS A DELETER?

1. A deleter is a BBSPINK user who is given the right to delete only under the limited condition.
2. A deleter is being for protecting the user's smooth communication.
Therefore, a deleter pays attention about not disturbing the user's communication on his work of deletion.

●2. A LIMIT OF WORK OF A DELETER

1. A deleter deletes only an object which is appointed on a deletion policy and a local rule;
however, Jim's judgement is more than all rules.
2. A deleter does not delete his posting by himself except posting his cap information.
3. A deleter does not delete a posting when he is not sure a posting should be deleted or not.
4. A deleter deletes a posting of a rights abuse along a deletion policy and a local rule,
but must not to do a judgement along a law.
A deleter does not have a right to do a judgement it by a law, but only Jim has a right to judge it by a law.
(A purpose is to protect a deleter from a law risk.)
5. If a deleter has deleted a posting which is not appointed on a deletion policy, he has to explain to Jim and a leader why he has done it.
It may be opened on a thread of discussion of a deletion.
6. The deleter must not leak out own account information of deletion under one's control.
7. A deleter has to keep a secret about information of a script of deletion and information of administration.
8. A deleter must not get a thing or money for his work on deletion.

●3. A DELETER'S RIGHT OF DELETION

1. A deleter deletes a posting along a deletion policy, and also he has a right freely to leave a posting without deleting.
2. A request of deletion helps a deleter to find a posting, but also he has a right to delete without a request.
3. A deleter takes responsibility to Jim along the rules of deleter when he uses his right to delete.
4. A deleter is allowed to quit a work whenever he wants to.
5. A deleter may be forced to quit when he works beyond a limit of the rules.

●4. NECESSARY THINGS

1. A deleter needs to reserve an e-mail address for contact.
2. A deleter needs to check for new notes (Mailing List?) for deleters within a required period.(How long?)
3. A deleter has to report in advance when he cannot be on conditions of "Necessary Things".

●5. THINGS TO PLEASE DO IF POSSIBLE

1. A deleter please reports after deleting for a request, if it is possible.
2. A deleter please pays attention not to open on the public about his personal information, if it is possible.
3. A deleter please reports when he has a problem or a question on his work, if it is possible.

●6. ABOUT AN AGREEMENT

1. The rules of deleter may be changed sometimes.
A deleter contacts Jim or a leader within a week(?) if he does not agree with the new rules.

Folks,

I am trying translation Izumi-san's KOKOROE by using my spare time.
This is completely my hobby and one of the trainings of my English skill.
So it is like masturbating. :-)

http://mumumu.mu/bbspink/tao-of-deleters.txt

I think the KOKOROE is very good, so, I want to translate to English
only for my motivation.

Regards,

But my work is very slow, so, please don't count on my translations.

I updated the translations to DRAFT-2.
http://mumumu.mu/bbspink/tao-of-deleters.txt

This is the English translations of >>214.
Any comments are welcome.

(in Japanese)

ということで適当に訳してみました。
あえて、硬い言い回しで訳しています。

あと、章立てを 1. 2. ... / 1.1 1.2 ... としてみました。
一部、意訳っぽいところも含まれています。

できるだけ文意が伝わるように訳してみたつもりですが、
たぶん突っ込みどころがいろいろあると思います。

そのへんは、随時ここにて。

I uploaded DRAFT-2.1. It includes slightly fixes.
http://mumumu.mu/bbspink/tao-of-deleters.txt

- their deletions. The explanations may publish in suitable
+ their deletions. The explanations may be published in suitable

- 2.6 The deleters must administrate by themselves their deletion
- account.
+ 2.6 The deleters must administrate in their good intentions their
+ deletion account by themselves.

And I can't update my translation until tonight for my main job.

>>232
What a beautiful and an academical writing, it is!
I am sure that Jim-san will understand more deeply after reading your draft.
I hope Jim-san likes KOKOROE.

Otudesu.

>>233
Thank you. But as seen, the translation is still under constructing.
I will continue translation by my spare time.

And after I complete translation,
I think it is one of the common resources of BBSPINK,
and I wish Izumi-san maintains it, too.

I would like to become a volunteer at BBSPINK.

(In Japanese)
>>213　質問があります。

削除権の行使は削除依頼の有無に依存しません。依頼は対象を知るきっかけであって一切の権利を制限しません。

一切の権利を制限しません、←この部分なのですが　
削除依頼がされた投稿のみに削除権を行使できる、と言う事ではない、つまり「通りすがりでも削除できますよ」　と言う理解で宜しいでしょうか？

・削除人は削除行為について物品及び金銭の授受を行ってはなりません。　←この一文に関してなのでが
この場合の「金銭の授受」とは、いわゆる「削除行使」による「労働対価」を受け取っては成らない、と言う意味なのか、もしくは
「削除行為」に関して、「受託」を受け何らかの「恣意的行動」を行う、つまり「賄賂」による「不正な削除行為」に、関して言及されているのでしょうか？
または、そのどちらの意味の含むのでしょうか？　　

おたずねしたいと思います、　よろしければご回答下さい。

(In Japanese)
>>213>>215>>236を以下のスレにも転載しました。
PINKの削除依頼板＆削除心得。。。2
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/

Hello jim-san.
I am suffering an illness. The sickness is epilepsy.
It is not usually at all and is peaceful.
Whether when and where the sickness occurs is not understood.
It is necessary to take a rest all day long when the sickness occurs.
In a word, it is not understood that it becomes impossible when to do
the duty suddenly due to sickness.
May even such man do the volunteer?

Izumi-san,

If you can, please add "Document version" and "Last Update" in the "KOKOROE".
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~eita/kokoroe.html

I will apply them to my English translated version.
http://mumumu.mu/bbspink/tao-of-deleters.txt

I translated Izumi-san's KOKOROE to the last minute.
It is DRAFT-3 version.

http://mumumu.mu/bbspink/tao-of-deleters.txt

I think that it is still incomplete.
Any comments and suggestions are welcome.

-- Mumumu

>>238 epilepsy ok

http://shibuya.v.la/test/r.i/etc100/1154322056/
http://tubo000.ninki.net/idol/ero/erobbs/index.html
This was a very very close election. The poll results show Izumi winning by
2 votes. Congratulations Izumi
This election was so close, and I think that shows that both candidates are respected
by our community.

>>242
Jim-san,

Above URL seems that the vote still may be continued.

But you said that the vote was closed, so, I think now the _current_ voting status
is invalid and the vote was completed. Is it correct?

If so, I think you need to show the actual result of the vote at this thread
for clarification.

Regards,

-- Mumumu

>>242
shibuya tubo total
IZUMI 106 5 111
TORU 108 3 111

>>244
Hmm. Tubo's one already closed, I think.
Is mobile phone version closed, too?

>>243
I did not know how to turn it off, but vote is over now. Sorry for the confusion.
I hope we did better than Florida does....;)

>>245
Yes, with both site, acceptance of a vote is finished.

>>247
Ok, I understand.

>>247
Thank you.

If so, is the result of the vote completely tie? (>>244)

どう見てもインチキ入ってるんだからjimが良いと思う奴を
自分で考えて自分でそいつに頼め

>>241　Jim-san.
Very very thank you for Jim-san.　And I love you!!!!

With the illness, although I may sometimes make jim-san and other friends trouble,
I will propose to a volunteer.

Thank you for your consideration.

Dear Jim-san,

If you permit me to use my KOKOROE, I become a leader


But, I still recommend two or more leaders.

Each leader has each policy and KOKOROE.
It will give birth to the diversity not biased to specific sense of values.

>>251
Izumi-san,

How do you evaluate my translation of your KOKOROE?
I am not sure whether my translation satisfies you or not.

And if it has qualified to your criteria,
I wish to transfer its management to you.

>>252
(In Japanese)
難しい表現があってまだ読み切れてません。

すんまそん。

>>253
（IN Japanese）
私もつたない英語力で、4時間以上かけて頑張ったから、私のも読んでねｗ。

>>254
（In English）
OK Sir.
（In Japanese）
ういうい

To: Jim-san

It was an interesting vote result that two candidates got almost same number of votes.
I can see from the results that both candidates did not do an injustice, and neither did the users.
I am glad that the BBSPINK users are moral and gentle.
I am so excited at starting the new BBSPINK under Jim-san and a new leader.

◆ANALFUCKo6 (>>235) and >>238 are offering to become the volunteers.

Izumi-san,

Just I found some changes in your KOKOROE.
http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~eita/kokoroe.html

I will apply them to my English translation later.

And I have two wishes to you about your KOKOROE.

1) Please add version number and last modified date/time for clarification.
2) If you can, please notify all changes in this thread for notifying to Jim-san.

I think the quality of your KOKOROE is very good and bright, so,
I decided do masturbating. (>>228)

Regards,

>>257
OK.
Please refer to datetime Attribute for detailed correction time.
When KOKOROE is corrected, I am doing the markup with INS and DEL Elements.

258=me

>>256
メールを出そうと思います。
ただ、試験をどの程度書けばいいか、前スレのものなのか迷っています。
　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　　（確かこのスレの概要とあったので）

Jim-san

I want to become a volunteer.
I will work on deletion if recognized.

Jim-san,

First version fo The guideline of BBSPINK did Fix.
◆SELEN/.zg6-san is translating it now.
When his work is completed, I ask whether it contradicts your policy.

Congratulations Izumi-san, you are leader.

残りは、和泉さんにさえ分かればいいので、日本語で書きます。

心得は、貴方とボランティアさんの契約事項ではなく、
管理人さんとボランティアさん達との契約事項ではないんですか？
貴方の希望を全て詰め込むよりも、必要最低限にしておいて、
リーダーとしての希望は、２ちゃんねるでの「注意事項」のように、
別にしたほうがいいと思うんですが。。。

それとも、リーダーが変わる度に心得が変わるのでしょうか？
その場合はその度に、ボランティアさんたちは、変わった心得に
納得できるかどうかで去就を考えなくてはならなくなりますよ。

また、「危険からボランティアさんを守るため」と言いつつ、
具体的に示しておられませんが、どういう危険があるのでしょうか？
心得くらいで守れるものなのでしょうか？
Jimさんは、博之と同じく「全ての責任を取る」と明言しておられます。
それでも危険があるとしたら、管理人さんが根本的に考えるべきです。

いや、危険はあるのは分かってますけどねー。特にリーダーは。。。

先に書いておくけど、議論は下記のスレでやってね。

PINKの削除依頼板＆削除心得。。。2
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/

あと、貴方は「ボランティアサンたちの自由のために」と書かれていましたが、
どう読んでも不自由度を無闇に増やしていると思うのですよ。

んで、貴方の発言を追ってみたら、「説明責任が」とか
「２ちゃんねるの心得じゃ甘い」とか「システム的にどう」とか、
ボランティアさんを縛る方向の目的ばかり書かれていましたね。
それならそうと、「２ちゃんねるよりボランティアさん達の
自由度を減らすorもっと縛る」と正直に書いちゃったほうがいいのでは？
書いてある内容と逆の理由で、他の人達の期待度を上げておいて、
実際に始まったら厳しい、というのは、あとあと面倒だと思いますよ。

>>258-259
Thank you, Izumi-san.
I applied your changes in my English translation
and added the based version number of original document.

http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~eita/kokoroe.html (Izumi-san's original version, in Japanese)
http://mumumu.mu/bbspink/tao-of-deleters.txt (Translated version, in English)

Follows are differences from previous version:

@@ -58,4 +57,4 @@

- 2.8 The deleters must not receive any articles and money as a value
- of their deletions.
+ 2.8 The deleters must not receive any benefits as a value of their
+ deletions.

@@ -85,4 +84,5 @@

- 4.2 The deleters must confirm the contents of regular announcement
- by mailing list and in BBSPINK bulletin boards.
+ 4.2 The deleters must confirm the notifications before using their
+ competence that are noticed by mailing lists, BBSPINK bulletin
+ boards and other specified media.

Regards,

最後。貴方は、「自分が気に入らないならボランティアに
ならなくてもいい」「何人かリーダーを置いて派閥を作る」が持論のようですが。

でも、派閥によって削除するものが変われば、
場合によっては「＊＊は削除対象じゃない」「いや削除するべき」と
デリーターさん同士のぶつかりあいが起こったり、
「○○派が＊＊を削除しないので●●派の人が来てください」とか、
「××派にあたって運が悪かった」など、利用者さんにも混乱が起こります。

そして、違う派閥のデリーターさん同士が、削除の判断で揉めた場合、
管理人に認められた和泉さんが最終的に調整するんだから、
結局、それ以外の派閥の判断も和泉さんに従わなければなりませんよね。

また、デリーターさんによって削除される範囲が違うということは、
削除されるものの幅が広がるんだから、いろんな意味でデメリットを生みます。

お願いです、貴方はリーダーなのだから、
全てのボランティアさんを導いてください。そして守ってください。
「自分について来れない奴はボランティアになるな」なんて撤回してください。
そして精一杯頑張ってください。。。

では、おいらはこれでー。

>>263 >>265 >>267
Toru-san,

As >>264 said, your discussing topic is "Sure-Chigai" ("not suitable for discussing it").
so, please move the thread that is specified by >>264.

Jim-san,
I send to you volunteer application mail what I keep.
And afterwards, I annul those mail.
You said "If there is personal information it will be kept in the USA,
and only I will have access to it.".
I hope it forever.

Izumi-san and folks,

I've stolen your html, css and jpg files from your original web page,
for making HTML version of my English translation.

http://mumumu.mu/bbspink/tao-for-deleters.html

Izumi-san, sorry for my shameless stealing without any notices.

But I think you can merge my English translation into your web page.
Regards,

P.S. I applied slightly changes to the document at that time,
e.g. the deleters => deleters.

>>270
THX!
Please wait to present the site to Jim-san as a formal version.
We should talk a little more.



あ、このJPGは葉鍵ではトラウマになってるであろうアレなので正式版では消す予定です。
色々マズそうだし。背景はPINKの物を適当に使って・・・・。

>>271
Ok, I agree with you.

I slightly fixed and uploaded my English translation by using Yahoo translation
as the same URI.

I fixed this version as today's one, and it is time for taking a bath and going to bed.
Oyasuminasai.

度重なる修正ですみません。
疑義が解消されるまで夜間ビルド状態なので翻譯は待って頂いてよろしいかと思います。


> Jim-san
I'm sorry that it is made to wait.
Please let me think whether I can become a leader until the problem of KOKOROE disappears.

Jim-san,

Please prepare a board with the password for Deleters and volunteers.
If We have a board with Password, We can consult about the script and the deletion judgment,
and a well-known report and information share.

Jim-san,

I think that the restrictions are more important than the deletions for communications.

◆Reffiz2Zh is a restriction volunteer.
He is Leader of restriction volunteers in 2ch.
The authority of his restriction is larger than the authority of Hiroyuki-san.
The restriction of BBSPINK is shared with the restriction of 2ch.

The protest against ISP is done by restriction volunteers.
They have knowhow. And, They have mutual trust with ISP.

He will cooperate as follows if Jim-san permit.
* Permission to negotiate with ISP with BBSPINK
* Permission of deregulation.
* Jim-san's mail address for Cc when mail is sent to ISP.

I think that Jim-san should give all of the right concerning the access limitation to him.
If his cooperation can be received, we will be able to help the user more.

Jim-san,

Is it true that Mr. Jim stops the scripts?


http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1153830220/610
Hiroyuki said:
Does read.cgi or bbs.cgi stop?
If Jim-san meets the following, Jim-san can freely use the script.
　Jim-san doesn't sell others the script.
　Jim-san doesn't open the script to the public.

Sorry but I think that ◆IZUMI162i6 san has misread Hiroyuki san's opinion.
Hiroyuki san said that the scripts, bbs.cgi and read.cgi, are free to use, except for selling or publication.
So, even if the link to PINK is deleted from 2ch, the scripts can be used.

Sorry, Scripts are all cgi gotten from 2ch.
bbs.cgi, read.cgi, and any cgis.

I heard that scrpts ware stoped by Jim-san. And Hiroyuki-san will not stop scrpts.

I want to confirm what you mean.

>>273
Izumi-san, Cc: Jim-san, all:

I applied all of your changes to my English translation version.
Please verify it.

http://mumumu.mu/bbspink/tao-for-deleters.html

This is now based on Version 0.4.20060806-5.

And Izumi-san, I believe the link for "intercommunication" would be
http://kintubo.kakiko.com/pinkbbs/kako/1083466372.html#R848 , not
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1083466372/848

Certainly, your link points the original one, but users need right for reading this,
what is called '●'. And currectly, all of users don't have this.

As you know, this is very important definition by Jim-san,
so, I recommend this should be completely public.

Jim-san,
A little ago, I send to you volunteer application mail what I keep.

By the way, may I set scripts for deletion and setting ?
If you send mail to me, I teach you that
how to do registration as volunteers.

(in Japanese)
和泉さん;

今回の更新で「terms of duties(必要事項)」の項がなくなって、かわりに、

> 削除人が「必要事項」を満たせなくなる場合は事前に報告するのが好ましいです。

の項目が「お願い」のところに増えたわけですが、この「必要事項」は心得ではなくて、
別のところで定める、ということでよいのでしょうか。

>>281
すんません。
そこんとこは帰宅したら長期に渡って不通になる場合は・・とかに修正します。

>>282
(in Japanese)
なるほど、了解です。

Izumi-san,

I think the completeness your KOKOROE is high and it is enough operational.

So, I believe you do not need to be eager for its completion more than required.
Mata-ri iki mashou.

Jim-san,

Could you open your E-mail Address to all users for Admin of bbspink.com?

>>284
Give him a reason, Izumi-san.

>>284
Jim-san already opened his email address for bbspink at >>18

So, his email address for bbspink is "jim at 80 dot kg".

>>286
Was it an email address? I didn't notice it. Sorry about it.

>>287
There's no need to worry about it.

Anyway, Jim-san is great and has a little bit heavy weight. :-)

Now I can send Jim-san spam mail. (Just kidding! Maybe love letter.)

>>286
THX!

Does Jim have NintendoDS?

http://www.nintendo.com/channel/ds

Do it enjoy Jim-san?
I am enjoying here.
Thank you.

From a certain user.

What is browser that Jim-san uses?

Jim-san,

I inform all users of "Jim at 80 dot kg".
It becomes an official contact method to you.
　We cannot receive permission that uses the law from you.
　You have to solve your risks by yourself.
The deletion request that cannot be judged exists in Deleter.
"Jim at 80 dot kg" will receive the deletion request that cannot be judged by Deleter.

Jim-san,

Could you employ a official translator as this site?
　I and volunteers keep acting.
　We do not have time to translate the conversation with you.
　You have to prepare the person who translates.

Sorry, I also have used an impolite expression.

The reason why I ask for 295 has another.

There was a person who brought my idea together by another thread.
When my idea is transmitted to Jim-san, it is glad.

http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/932
We need your decision for the important matter deletion request.
English is necessary to recognize the problem correctly.
But, Almost users do not request in English,
and also we too.
That's why, We think that Translator is necessary for the important deletion demand, for you and for users.
Could you solve this problem? I mean, Could you prepare the translator?

I found a very exact expression.
When this was seen, I discovered the new world.

http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153824407/943

>>275
I do not agree with it.
No problem is solved by doing it.

He should go regularly to the hospital.
I think so.
He is spending all time on the bulletin board too much.

The demand doesn't hope for execution to me.
It is a comment on this demand.


To-Jim.
Hot day is a delicious season of the beer.
It enjoys daily life. (-^ｖ

>>298
Well,,,,,,

It will be easier to use the restriction system of 2ch than we make the restriction system from zero.
Do you have an alternative proposal?

You enjoy, it has done?
Also everyone enjoys, it has done?

I think that is answering.
fufufu.

議論をヒトで論じるヒトはダイッキライです。
最低です。ここ幾つかにスゴク怒ってます。
論じるなら正面から、”言葉”を使いなさい。

規制はシステムじゃありません。ヒトです。

のっとふぉーじむさんなので、日本語。（言い訳）

おお、奥が深い・・。

Hi Guys. I just got to Japan. What a long strange trip it has been. I am reading what I missed now.

> I just got to Japan.

Oh!?
Did Jim-san come to Japan?

Wow so many things to respond to. Please understand. I am reading Kokoroe
now, I like it so far. It is well thought out.
I am using firefox browser, and tubo
Waiting for the love letters....;)

Jim-san

Welcome to Japan!
Please enjoy Japan, although it will probably be busy.

ようこそ日本へ!
お忙しいでしょうが、日本を楽しんでくださいね。

What is the purpose of the visit to Japan of Jim-san?
It's "KOMIKE"?w

Japan is hot, but please enjoy a stay.

I missed my flight to San francisco.

>>308
LOL

However, it may be good Job. :-)

This email is better to contact me at about bbspink matters
jim at bbspink.REMOVEcom

Welcome to Japan!!!
Because U JIM-SAN didn't appear readily, we all have been just waiting for you to visit.
PLZ read all sentences which were written in English.
Appreciate. We all love U.

Welcome!!

ude-come!

doko-come-nen!!!

naniwo-yu-!

Welcome !!!
a-nd　I love you !!

Jim-san,

Do you use bbs2chreader.xpi of Firefox Extension?

>>310
THX FYI!

Jim-san,

I have to go to Comic Market 70 in Ariake Japan.
It is my life.
So, I can come from today to the 14th to BBSPINK only a little.

Latest KOKOROE (Japanese) http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~eita/kokoroe.html

>>317 it is the first I have heard of this extension. I am looking for it now.
THanks for all the welcomes guys.I really am happy I had a chance to come here.
Even by accident. I will have to leave tomorrow though.

testing firefox extension

Oooooh!! jim-san!!
good morning and evening!!

How did you spend Japanese night? & Is a test brisk?

Jim-san,

Url of bbs2chreader.xpi is
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/1560/

>>323 Thanks. I installed that plug in.

I am in shinjuku tonight. Where is a good place to go out and party?

What kind of join do you want?

>>324
Hi Jim-san!

Izakaya(Japanese bar), general grade Japanese restaurant, high grade Japanese restaurant,
American(or Western) style restaurant,
which one do you like?

>>324
I frequently go to "海峡(Kaikyo)".
http://www.kaikyo.co.jp/
http://www.hotpepper.jp/s/H000005976/map.html
This Dining is a place where meal and the party are done.
When looking for the girl, let's choose other places. (^_^;;;

Afterwards, I often go to Pasera of KARAOKE house with my friends.
And, karaoke is done until the morning.
http://www.pasela.co.jp/shop/ps207/207.html

>>324
Splendid!
How about use feelings?

I'm sorry.
I am not in Tokyo tonight.It is in Nagoya.

Someone
I hope a well informed person about Tokyo.

Jim-san,

There is a Japanese bar in Shinjyuku where you can eat a whale.
If you would like to try, I give you an address.

I cannot go to the party for a while because the preparation for Comike is busy. (T_T

Let you enjoys the night of Shinjuku.

>>329 I am getting hungry I could eat a whale. What type? I think Blue whale would be the tastiest.
Probably I will eat at my friend`s cafe tonight.
http://gk.cool.ne.jp/~shanghai/

>>331 no tilda ~~~~~~ sorry guys
I am going to eat dumplings for POWER!
http://gk.cool.ne.jp/shanghai/

Jim-san,

http://orz.da.ru/aw7

How around here?　From　Izakaya Shinjuku of ぐるなび

出会い系の流れ？w

This is a place for a whale.
I am not sure what kind of whale they have, but they sure have it.

"Taruichi（樽一）" http://www.taruichi.co.jp/

Address:
1-17-12 Daiichi-Asakawa Building 5th floor,
Kabuki-cyou, Shinjyuku-ku, Tokyo

Telephone:
03-3208-9772

Access:
From 東口 (East bound) Shinjyuku station,
5 minites by walking.
You can find a map from here.
http://www.taruichi.co.jp/access.html

Menu what they have,
http://www.taruichi.co.jp/food.html

>>332
It looks very nice.
I wanted to join you, if I were in Shinjyuku.
Have fun!

Blue whale :-D
U kiddin?or really? I like it. Ur sence is pretty good!!!CoooooL!!!

By the way,
Originally "小吃 Shao-chi" means fast food/small meal.
It's the food at street stall.

typhooons have gone
wish it good for flight

Hello　Jim-san !!
A building in Shinjuku is broken in a typhoon well.
You are unlucky.　Congratulations !!

To: Jim-san,

Have you ever gone to "Don Quijote (ドンキホーテ)" in Shinjuku?
It is a shopping place like Wal-mart or Target,
but the difference from them is that it has an adult toys corner, and it opens 24 hours.
They have an English web site for the directions.
http://www.donki.com/c/shop/shop_en.php?lang=en&shopid=8
I think You will like it.

Though the directions page does not say, exit from 東口(East bound) at Shinjuku station.
Find an adult toys corner, and have fun if you have a time to go there.

おまいら頭悪すぎ
Jimと一対多でコミュニケーションとっても埒明かないだろ
窓口決めてそいつが仕切れ

窓口の79EROﾀﾝが行方不明なんだよなぁ。

Jim-san, may I ask to relieve refugee from bbs-lockout,
I think stuffs are not cruel but merry or afraid now.

hello Jim-san !!

I am >>238 of this thread.
I applied for a volunteer by an email before.
（for [email protected]）
However, because I heard that I "had better propose it here",
I will make a note.

I will propose to a volunteer.

And I love you !!

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◆witch2enoc
If I missed anyone please complain here....;) I am really sleepy I just got back to San Francisco.
Every part of everything I had was searched when I went through customs. I really dislike that.
Does anyone know how to get off of their harrassment list?

Jim-san said
私が誰かがいなくて寂しいならば、ここで不満を言ってください...。）
私は本当に眠いです。そして、私はちょうどサンフランシスコに戻りました。
私が関税を使い果たしたとき、私が持ったすべてのあらゆる部分は捜されました。
私は、本当にそれを嫌います。
誰か、彼らのharrassmentなリストの出発する方法を知っていますか？

thanks Witch2enoc chan.
I will sleep now.
Good night

good night!! jim-san☆

だれかそれらのハラスメントリストから降りる方法を知っていますか?
かな？ああいうのを受けないでいい方法を知っていたら教えて
みたいなことだと思います。

==============
Jim-san.
vacation slowly without overdoing it please.

Thank you for adding my name.

Good night.
have a good dream please.

Dear Jim-san

Watasiha su-pa-boranntia desultu!!!
Subete watasini makasenasailtu!
Sousureba a-rahu/si/gi!!
Usemonohaarawareruha,Tinnkoha20cmizyouninaruwa soryamoutaihenn!
Dakara watasini ★(・∀・）kure!!!

>>346　
　もし私がミスってたら、ここへ不平を言ってください。
　まさにＳＦへ戻ったところで本当に眠い。
　通関時にあらゆる物を調べられた。
　ほんとにイヤだ。
　誰か彼らのハラスメントの畝？から離れる方法を知らないか。

LISTはどのように訳すべきだろうか･･･

嫌がらせのリストでしょ
山のように嫌がらせされてる、と。

>>354
Yes to much harrassment. I just want to go smoke after I get off the airplane. I don't want
to stand for hours and hours and be questioned and have everything I travel with be completely
searched.

(in Japanese)
ふむ。
つまり、税関で身ぐるみはがされそうになったと。

(in English)
Hmm...
In other words, you seem to have become nearly torn off all of the possessions...

>>355
It is unbelievable why they search from their citizen who was born in the US.
(I assume you are a citizen born in the US.)
Also, it is hard to understand searching after getting off the airplane,
though it is understandable doing before getting on.

Anyway, welcome back to your home, BBSPINK!
Sleep well, tonight.

P.S.
You missed a few offering for becoming the volunteers.

◆ANALFUCKo6 (>>235)
◆mura2zOUT. (>>261)

(in Japapese)
テロ絡みだからじゃねーの？

(in English)
It seems to be necessary because of terrorism emergency.

Customs spent your time.
Is it the influence of the terrorism plan prevention in UK?
Information was spreading earlier.
Because a criminal was arrested, UK government understood beforehand. So US gov. too.

How does the matter of the new guide-line for deletion?
Do U already checked?

Being..........Each time?

◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
◆TECHCS.zfQ
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U
◆YassyNGhTM
◆IG7FqGWJqU
Techcs ◆TECHCS.zfQ
エボラ ◆172VC7723I
◆NerINe83fk
halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU
苺 ◆BladeyqILk ＠いちごぴんく ★
◆/zZzZz/POE
◆witch2enoc
◆ANALFUCKo6
◆mura2zOUT.

Thanks Mary
Yes I am US born, and I get completely searched everytime.

>>361
You are welcome, Jim-san.
I was sorry for your trouble in the customs.
Did you mean that you were searched more than other people, everytime?
If so, I am really wondering why they do.
Do you carry a religious thing such as a Buddhist rosary with you?

By the way, I have a suggestion, Jim-san.

Let's make a new thread for taking focusly about the rules of deletion with Jim-san.
The reason is because some people who want to talk to Jim-san about a topic besides the deletion have hesitated.
They worry about stopping a discussion of the rules of deletion by chatting.
And also, the volunteers are eager looking forward to complete the rules of deletion.

I am going to make the new thread for talking about the rules of deletion, if you agree with it and you are going to join it.

ok, lets make a new thread

Dear Jim-san.

>>361 volunteer list.

◆TECHCS.zfQ
Techcs ◆TECHCS.zfQ

This person is the same person.

Please spend the good weekend.

>>364
>Please spend the good weekend.

"Have a nice Weekend!!"

volunteer update
◆IRAIaaV18I
◆DQN/9/VVV.
◆uRW6KoTaRo
◆IZUMI162i6
◆sacrifyqG
◆79EROOYuCc
koro ◆8j1enTAicY
◆MOMOwomoIk
◆MARY/2Kkkc.
ありす ◆Alice7XIII
◆3X1b8VAs/E
◆yzY8OufLJI
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U
◆YassyNGhTM
◆IG7FqGWJqU
Techcs ◆TECHCS.zfQ
エボラ ◆172VC7723I
◆NerINe83fk
halc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU
苺 ◆BladeyqILk ＠いちごぴんく ★
◆/zZzZz/POE
◆witch2enoc
◆ANALFUCKo6
◆mura2zOUT.

Hello Jim-san,

My name is 龍翔(Ryushou)
I would like to become a BBSPINK's volunteer.
If a maid of Jim can do it, I feel glad


ジムさん
龍翔と申します。
BBSPINKのボランティアをしたいです
ジムさんのお手伝いができたら嬉しく思います

>>365
fumufumu.
Thank you.

English is difficult....

>>363
Thank you, Jim-san.

I made it.

The Rules of Deletion
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1155312645/

◆RYU22yoiDI-san
otukare-sama-desu.

◆RYU22yoiDI-san will become help of Jim-san.
We welcome you.

>>366
Hello, Jim-san

Is it necessary to use Trip to join volunteer list?

I think that it is not suitable as a method to choose a volunteer as.

I think it is convenient to use trip for it.
However when Izumi gets back from the comic convention, lets ask him.

Jim-san.
I think you are glad not to encounter an airplane blast accident.
A stop in the yesterday's airport is because a terror group seemed to move.

Good morning Jim-san

Atusakibisikiori ikagaosugosidesyouka.
Watasiha gennkidesuyo.
Mousugu 15nitidesuga umakueroibbsgatudukebaiidesune.
Soredehamata bainara.

Hello, Jim-san.

I want to become a volunteer.
I will help various work of BBSPINK.
We want to enjoy new BBSPINK :D

Good morning Jim-san

I am a summer vacation from today
When is Jim a summer vacation from?

>>370
koro-san

A heartfelt message I am very glad
It is glad when it is possible to become it between intimate.

>>376　冗談でしょ？

Nice to meet you Jim-san.
My name ｉｓ "今はまだ無い。".

I have one doubt.
In what meaning are you using the word "volunteer"?

In general, the Japanese is using this word in a simple meaning
"Person who works free of charge".
The obligation is thin there.
Moreover, there is a person who thinks that there is a limit
in the responsibility that can be assumed, too.

Is there a difference in your recognition?

QRZ?

>>378
I think we already covered that here.
http://kintubo.kakiko.com/pinkbbs/kako/1083466372.html

>>378 Jim-san
I couldn't found previous thread about that.

>>96
>>146
>>147
>>162-163
Is this? right?

oops, mistake.

not >>378, it is >>380.

Dear Jim-san

I feel another doubt about the definition of "Volunteer" that you say.
Are you using word "volunteer" in the meaning
"People who delete improper contribution in pink bbs and
people who do work related to secret about the technical systems of pink bbs"?

If it is so, I have one anxiety.
It is a thing that all volunteer aspirants can join your volunteer list
without the examination at all.
They only have nothing but to apply
with the handle name.


According to the current custom, 2ch bbs & pink bbs always imposed
the examination on aspirants when they adopt volunteer of management.
The purpose of it is not to adopt the person who does unjust deletion
because when such a despotic person becomes volunteer,
free speech in bbs is not guaranteed.

Many of volunteer aspirants might be the people of good intentions, I think.
However, the content of the activity of volunteer accompanies
power and the technical secret transferred by you.
If you are a manager who esteems pink bbs user's free speech,
I hope for an enough examination for adoption of volunteer.

Conveniently, we have already had one volunteer recruitment with
an appropriate examination.
You are sure to have received the application mail from TORU-san.

I hope to do continuing the recruitment, and to make only the person who passes
the examination volunteer.
The examination was a summary of the content of "Thread that discusses
deletion of contribution of pink bbs".
It is a very suitable examination in the purpose to confirm their discernment and
seriousness about the content of the volunteer's work.

If there is a wall of the language for you to read the application mail in Japanese,
you will be able to nominate a Japanese trustworthy deputy.
He will execute the examination instead of you.


I am sorry in the long sentence.
If it is possible, Please consider it...

外人に管理無理
即刻閉鎖の事

>>383
Despots need not apply....;)
I understand your feelings about this.
all I can say is がんばる
Trustworthy Japanese deputy would have to much liability. Due to the nature of this board
it is better to be managed from the United States.
I am sure the volunteers come from all over the world, not just Japan, so lets think of it
as a world board.
I hope deletions are kept to a minimum, and I think that the volunteers so far have
spent an enormous amount of time thinking and pondering the meaning of deletions.
Please tell me more about your ideas for an examination.

Dear Mr.JIM

I guess, You had better to make "GUIDLINE for USER" insted of Delete
and only apply "Out of this GL is Must be deleted"

thks n b.rgds,

Dear Jim-san

I am ひまゆき(himayuki) ◆3HioLDbjnQ.
I would like to become a Adjuster.
It is because I like decide a lot of things reading.
When the user can be helped, I think that I am glad.
See you again.

>>323
I like the extension, but there should be a way to put your handle in so
you dont have to type it each time. Whoever is the developer, that is on my
wish list.

>>386 Dear Jim-san

Thank you for your answer and the word がんばる.o(^O^)o

> I am sure the volunteers come from all over the world, not just Japan, so lets think of it
> as a world board.
I understand your grand view.
If pink bbs will be more internationalized in the future, it might be very excited.


However, we should think, at least in the current state,
the majority of the contribution of pink bbs are being written in Japanese.
I saw your remark by another thread.
　（http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1155312645/62）
But according to my poor knowledge, there is a thing that user in living in Japan is used
the domain of the foreign country and accessed bbs.
Perhaps, his remark by the same thread might serve as a reference.
　（http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1155312645/72）


Anyway, I think that the following fact is important,
regardless of the nationality of the user himself,
the majority of the contribution with pink bbs are being written in Japanese.
A local rule of each bulletin board and the procedure of the deletion request
are being written in Japanese, too.

If the volunteer has the ability to delete improper contributions,
they should have the ability to judge whether the contribution is "improper" or not.
Enough number of talent who understands a slight Japanese nuance is necessary for us
by all means.

Therefore, to select and to generalize them, a Japanese (at least understands Japanese)
deputy is necessary, I think.
I think that it is IZUMI162i6 suitability for the role chosen by the election.

The deputy is , so to speak, your window in Japan.
You need not limit the deputy to him alone.
If it is necessary, you will only have to nominate the foreign deputy
for the foreign volunteers.
However, even if you make another the window for the foreign country,
there is no reason why the window for Japan is not made.
I think that it is the most suitable method for the current state.

>>389
Does anyone know how to get in touch with the firefox developer?

>>390-391

it seems like you want to make bbspink be under Japanese law.
that doesn't make sense. if you want to make it happen,
you should make your own bbs.
Who's going to take responsibility? Do you want to?

（日本語）
あなたの意見を読んでいると、ぴんくちゃんねるを日本の法律の下で
管理したがっているようにみえます。
もしそうしたいのであれば、あなたが自分の掲示板を作るべきでは？
もしもぴんくちゃんねるが日本の掲示板になった場合、誰が管理人になるんですか？
あなた自身がやりたいと思ってるの？
あなたは、

Jim-san,

I think becoming of ◆ANALFUCKo6-san to leader
when Izumi-san and I cannot become leaders to be preferable.
◆ANALFUCKo6-san said that a legal risk will not leave either.
◆ANALFUCKo6-san is a reliable person.

英語が出来る方、英訳お願いします。
>>393
日本で起こった事件で、日本の警察が捜査するなら、
鯖が外国でも、日本人向けで日本人が使うものなら日本で起こった事件となると考える人は多いはず。
誰か、はっきりしたところは出せないものか？まぁグレーゾーンだからなぁ。
場所が日本だとすれば、被害者が日本人だろうが、外国人だろうが、日本で裁判する事は可能ですよ。
少なくとも、被害者が日本で閲覧したなら、裁判は日本で行われるでしょう。

>>ボランティアさん
ジムさんは全責任を負ってくれるという事を明確にしているのですから、それを信じるしかないでしょう。
（日本での裁判もジムさんの責任ですよね？）
日本の裁判においてボランティアが被疑者・被告の立場となる時に、「全責任はジムさんにあります」と言ってもOK。と言う事です。
ただし、我慢しなければならない事。それは、捜査段階で捜索が行われる事。証拠とは、ログ・物的なもの（計算機）です。
捜査が始まれば、対象となる人は向こうが決めます。
さて、ここでボランティアの情報を持つ人、何人かいらっしゃいますが、大丈夫でしょうか？
民事の場合、裁判所がボランティアにも賠償責任があると判断した場合は、それに従う事になります。
その後、別の訴訟を起こし、ボランティアｖｓジムさんの対決となるでしょうか。

>>ジムさん　誰か英訳してください。
もちろんご存知だと思いますが、裁判を欠席する理由は明確でなければなりません。
出席しないままだと、相手が有利なまま裁判は終了します。
訴訟を起こされれば、見に覚えの無い負債が増えていくと言う事も理解できていますか？
そういう事態を招かないためにも、
１　「証拠保全のための放置」はやめる。スレッドを書き込み停止にして、流れない保管場所へ移動させる。（一般利用者は見ることが出来ない場所）
その辺りの権限をボランティアに与える。その判断基準も作る。迷った物はそこへ入れるとか。
２　日本国内で問題となるスレッドを削除するシステムを構築する。これで言い逃れが出来る。
ポルノなどは日本国内法において、一部は明確ではありません。
とりあえずは、スレタイに問題があるものを削除しておけば、ピンクの立場として放置をしていない状況が作れるはず。
その後の論点は投稿者の責任問題となります。

translation is not neccessary I have read it, and am certain that this ignorant babel
is just a waste of time.

Dear Jim-san

　# I'm "One resident of bbs" (>>383-384,>>390-391).

　
Because my connection environment is a narrow band,
　 my ID might be different from last night.
　 So, I put trip and a handle name after this. よろしく.

Are you dissatisfied with my >>390-391 proposal?
If it is so, I don't have other ideas for smooth operation of pink bbs.
I'm sorry that it cannot propose a useful opinion for you.


>>386 Jim-san
> Please tell me more about your ideas for an examination.

If you are dissatisfied with a past content of the examination,
we might be able to improve it.
But as long as you don't clarify the thing who takes charge of the examination,
it might be difficult to discuss the improvement about it.

For the above-mentioned reasons (>>390-391), I think the best method is that,
the person who understands Japanese examines it in Japanese.
However, if you don't hope for it, it is meaningless to assume the examination in Japanese.


So, may I hear the following?

When ◆ IZUMI162i6, chosen by our election, undertakes the volunteer leader post in Japan,
do you have a mind to leave the selection of the volunteer in Japan to him?
Or, are you scheduling another method?

>>393
> it seems like you want to make bbspink be under Japanese law.

From which part of my contribution, did you feel it like that?
I said that the deputy and the volunteer who understood Japanese were necessary
for pink bbs.
However, it is from a simple, practical reason that present pink bbs consists
chiefly by contributing Japanese.
The problem of the law and the responsibility seems to be discussed here and there
actively now. But it is quite irrelevant to my >>390-391 proposal.
I didn't think of what you said at all.

To begin with, isn't it a thing the law of which country manages pink bbs that
administration of justice in each country decides?


(in Japanese)
私の投稿のどの部分から、そのように感じられたんでしょうか？
私は、bbs pinkには日本語を解する代理人やボランティアが必要だと言いましたけど、
それは現在のpink bbsが主に日本語の投稿から成り立っているからという
単純で実際的な理由の為です。
いま、法律や責任の問題があちこちで活発に議論されているようですが、
それは>>390-391の提案には全く関係ありません。
393さんがおっしゃるようなことは、私は考えてもみませんでした。

そもそも、どの国の法律がpink bbsを管理するかなんていうことは、
それぞれの国の司法が決めることじゃないでしょうか。

>>398
I am not ignoring or not answering your proposal. It is just so unbelievable to me that someone would even consider what you are saying. I have been pondering your words very sincerely, and still am not quite understanding your words.
Perhaps we have already discussed and come to a conclusion on another thread on these subjects. Anyway I will continue to think about what you have proposed, but I am not sure if it will ever come to pass.

>>399is

>>398

私は、あなたの提案に無視していないか、答えていません。
誰かがあなたが言っているものを考慮さえすることは、私にちょうどとても信じ難いほどです。
私は非常に心からあなたのことばを考えていました、
そして、静寂はあなたのことばをまだ理解していません。
おそらく、我々はすでに討議して、これらの主題に関して
もう一つの糸の上で結論に達しました。
とにかく、私はあなたが提案したものについて考え続けます、
しかし、それが起こるならば、私にはわかりません。

別訳

私は無視しておらず、あなたの提案に答えていません。
誰かが、あなたが何と言っているかさらに考えるであろうことは
私に非常に信じられません。
私は、あなたの言葉を非常に誠実に熟考しており、
まだ全くあなたの言葉を理解しているとは限りません。
恐らく、私たちは既に議論しており、これらの主題上の別のスレに関する結論に達します。
とにかく、私はあなたが何を提案したかに関して考え続けるでしょう。
しかし、私は、それがいつか実現するかどうか分かりません。

>>399 Jim-san
I have understood your policy well.
At present, you don't have will make a Japanese deputy.
The reason is.... consideration to the law, or distrust to the deputy,
or might be anything else.

However, if you don't borrow power of the Japanese deputy,
I feel insecurity very much to a substantial meaning of your >>386 word "がんばる".

Indeed, you say that you accept the opinion if there is a problem in the
volunteer's list.
However, how do you judge the opinion?
Or, when other people, including the person himself denied, objects the opinion,
how do you judge it?
がんばる by using the machine translation and the dictionary?
It might be proof of your sincerity. But I worry that it is uneasy.....

I don't want to criticize to you needlessly.
However, it is not a thing limited to this matter, please understand
people and a lot of we worry about the future of pink bbs very much.


>>400-401
Thank you for your translation!

I self-supplement >>402

Perhaps, one of the reasons why you don't need a Japanese deputy is,
for further freedom of pink bbs?
When judging it from my scarce English language skill,
your >>386 remark can be interpreted so.

>>395
ポルノの基準なんて、曖昧そうに見えてそうでもない。
いままで山のように判例もあって審査機関もあるわけで。
その時々に注目するものが違うだけ。（モザイクの大きさとか、犯罪性とか）

日本語で言うのもなんだが

Dear Jim-san,

I decline to assume the position of the leader.
Because the person who wanted to become a leader showed up besides.

Of course, I will participate in the discussion for BBSPINK in the future.

和泉, ◆IZUMI162i6

I recommend Izumi-san again.

>>405
Dear Izumi-san
I am sorry to see you go. Please tell me the reason more clearly.
There are things happeining now that I am not happy with.

I have never received email from you or Toru
It would be a very good idea for Toru to send me an email.

Jim-san
This is a very important problem.
Toru-san and IZUMI-san sent an email of very important contents to you（in Japanese）.
And they were grieved that there was not a reply.

Do not you receive an email from them at all?

>>408
I have not received email from them. I am corresponding with other Pink channelers but not those two.

The important document which relates to the choice of Deleter
as for Toru-san
in an important intention expression about administration of BBSPINK
as for IZUMI-san again.
They should have written plural emails.

I feel surprise in Jim-san not receiving those emails.
This is a serious situation.

Izumi-san was says.
I got an answer e-mail once.

Supplement：
It seems to have been the contents
"which it talked about on a thread" that IZUMI-san received.

>>411
Yes I did receive one on July 22. I forgot about it.
It was just an introduction letter. No important content.

http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1154967847/448
IZUMI-san said

http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1155312645/180
Toru-san said

Jim-san.

Some say.
Jim-san do not answer an important thing even if I ask Jim-san a question for.

Jim-san

We ask you about what we do not understand.
Whenever an answer from you does not come out, we are disappointed.
It please show an answer of the past that you already answered. Thus it is possible we feel relieved, and to walk it with you from now.
I ask a similar question, but it is not good to get through you to know your real intention.

We do a question and a wish if necessary.
There is a case to get the answer that it is necessary even to think that you are not important to work to a partner.
If there is not reaction, we cannot move excessively.
Because some questions that we wanted you to answer do not have an answer (an action), work is in condition not to be possible, and we are stagnant.

"Manager decision" is necessary to manage it with GL.
Even if you think that contents are not important, an answer is necessary.

If it is often that an answer is not provided almost now, future administration will be difficult.

Because a mechanism is not ready, deletion of BBSpink will stop.
Please look back on a remark of Toru.

I do not have confidence that defends Deleter in your policy.
I think that there is a so big risk in BBSPINK in Japan.

But, there is a person who thinks enough in your policy.
I cannot be convinced of safety.
But, if the person can be convinced of safety, I want to leave everything to the person.

It is not only your policy that I feel it uneasily.
I have written information here for several days.
But, I do not think that I can have the communication of an enough intention with you.
And, this state might continue in the future.

A lot of time is necessary between you and me.
However, I cannot give you a lot of time.

和泉さんやトオルのメールは一切受け取らなかったと言ってるが
トオルはメールを送るとここであなたに言っていた事もあったのだから
もし本当に届いていないならその時聞けばよかったはず
それが管理人として当然の行動

何より彼らが今まで掲示板へ書き込んだ意見に対し
管理人が取った態度だけを見ても誠実な対応だったとはとても思えんな
彼らが管理人に尊重も信頼もされていないと感じるのは当然だろうよ

Jim-san

This is a basic problem.
Deletion is not possible only by having begun a list of a volunteer.
We cannot delete it unless we have you set a deletion account on a server.
It is a state pampered by a deletion account of 2CHANNEL being left now.
I do not understand when a deletion account of 2CHANNEL is raised.

Does Jim-san set a deletion account? Or who is it?

>>420
English please

To Jim

About "work about access regulation"

The same person is engaged in regulation work before.
The need that a share of a pink channel performed report work and cancellation with a reputation of Jim by a clear change of a manager occurred.
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1154072524/l50

It asked you a question.
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153928667/275

How do you become it?
Because there is not an answer, some regulation people seem to be troubled.

Jim-san
A person good at English conversation is not necessarily excellent as the volunteer of PINKBBS.
The friend who is with Mr. jim is not necessarily excellent as the volunteer of PINKBBS.


The person who has run for the volunteer here is not necessarily a good man.

The person who decides the Japanese volunteer's adoption should have it.

HIROYUKI-san of manager of 2ch.
TORU-san that did management assistance of 2ch.
Excellent IZUMI-san.
Experience, knowledge, and Japanese ability equal with these three people.

Please hear the voice of TORU-san and IZUMI-san more.
For the happiness of the user of PINKBBS.

Jim-san

IZUMI-sanは、彼にできることは全てしたと思います。
私は彼を評価します。
しかし、彼の思考回路は、アダルトサイトの組織には向いていませんでした。
唯一、彼の問題点は、TORU-sanの考えに影響されている点です。

TORU-sanは、リーダーにもアダルトサイトの組織にも向いていません。
彼は、反乱分子です。

>Jim-san
By any chance, have you set your e-mail-agent up as japanese e-mails let into spam-folder ?
or...gurbled ?
...never ┐(；´ー｀)┌

79の作ったMLは死んでるのか？

>>425
追加

TORU-sanは、パフォーマーとして優れています。
彼は意図的に人々に混乱を与え、人々を惹きつける技を持っています。
彼は非常に有能な、反乱分子です。

勘違いする人もいるみたいだから、対訳にアンカー貼るべし

>>424
Very cryptic.
I do answer questions. I don't answer those that attempt to bait me.
Maybe Toru and Izumi are excellent, but mostly they seem to be
 trying to bully me and take away from other users things that they
enjoy.
Both of them have already quit and restarted and quit and resigned and retired.
How can I believe these two that are so highly recommended to me?

>>430
Dear Jim

Japan is "盆" in the present time.
It is a festival "盆" meets an ancestral soul, and to become lively.
Therefore nationalism spreads, and a manner to a foreign country stiffens.
Not Izumi and a problem of Toru, it is a problem of the Japanese total time.

If you sentence you to Japanese volunteer need of a great many people, it is necessary you accept feelings of a Japanese side, and to make a system.

>>430
If you want to retain bbspink, please do not say such a thing.

I feel it unless time to talk with you among them is enough.
You are in a position to administer bbspink newly.
So, you must break off a problem of a system to administer U.S.A. and a Japanese legitimate problem and bulletin board.
However, you do not spend the time that is need in bbspink to solve a problem so far.
It is the serious time to move the system now.
I think that I am to be very important for bbspink in the future how long I spend time in bbspink now.

>>432
Powerful expletive deleted!
How do you know how much fucking time or what I do for bbspink?
You are just Powerful expletive deleted.
Good night jerik.

>>420said

You said that you did not take an E-mail of Toru and Izumi at all.
However, he told that Toru sent an E-mail to you in a thread.
Therefore I think that I should have heard it at the time if I do not really arrive.
I thinks to be a proper action as a manager.

They wrote in it at a bulletin board so far.
I can hardly think that it is faithful correspondence to see only the manner
that a manager took for it.
I think that it is natural that they feel unless both
respect and trust are considered to be a manager.

>>430
Sorry,I am not good at English.

Who are "other users"?

To take the fun out of it from the user, they are not behaving.
To defend a happy place for the user, they are behaving.
Volunteer's safety is necessary for that.
It is not because only Toru-san and Izumi-san have misgivings.
Actually, well informed other users about the law of Japan also are
pointing it out. "Deretar has a risk."
This is not a problem that can be disregarded.

You might think like their being conflicting with you.
However, it will be not true if it sees from a certain one side.
There is many sides in things.
There might be an expression that seems that severe for you it at times.
I think regrettable in that regard. I'm sorry.
It is however because we Japanese are not accustomed to English, the United States
culture, and thought.
Excuse me, are you well informed about the culture, thought, the law, and
Japanese of Japan?
We think it is confronted with the same each other, problem.

Please please understand it.
I am wishing the sense that you are bullied to be thrown away.

(in Japanese)
言いたかったことを、一応日本語でも書きます。

>>435 said
彼らは、楽しみを奪うために行動しているのでありません。
ユーザにとって楽しい場所を守るために、彼らは行動しています。
そのためには、ボランティアの安全が必要なのです。
トオルさんやイズミさんだけが危惧しているわけではありません。
現に、日本の法律に詳しい他のユーザが、
デリーターに関してリスクがあると指摘しています。
これは無視できる問題ではありませんよね？

彼らがあなたと対立しているかのように見えることがあるかもしれません。
しかしある一面から見れば、それは事実ではないでしょう。
物事には多面性があります。
時には、あなたにとって厳しいと思われる表現があるかもしれません。
そのことについては残念に思います。ごめんなさいね。
ただしそれは、私たち日本人が、
英語やアメリカの文化や思想に慣れていないからでもあります。
失礼ですが、あなたは日本の文化や思想や法律や日本語に通じてらっしゃいますか？
私たちは、お互いが同じ問題に直面しているのだと思います。

どうかご理解ください。
あなたがいじめられているという感覚を捨ててくださることを、
私は願っております。

Jim-san, please calm down.

I wonder if you know how to put/edit/set deletion accounts on servers.
If not, you must ask him how and do that. Or simply ask his help.
I bet you know who is the person. Please send email to him.
I hope you understand that he is not trying to take things from you.

No one can delete posts of bbspink right now. That is a problem.
Bbspink's deletion-system should begin functioning as soon as possible.
Otherwise, your bbspink will be corrupted with tons of posts of ad and personal data.

You dont seem to answer >>280 yet though you say you do answer questions.
Here's a reminder.

JIM-SAN

OUR HOPE IS ONLY ONE
PINK-CHANNEL IS GETTIN' BETTER SO USEFUL FOR JAPANESE
PLZ UNDERSTAND PLZ

http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1154967847/328
Jim-san says adversely. Do "you make fun of me?"
"The thing that is important for you is to enjoy pink"
==========================
A sentence in a bottom is my sentence from here.
Toru-san and 328-san are angry.
They want going to work as a volunteer seriously.
We do not do it to make fun of you.

>>430
jim-san

I cannot speak in English well.
Did I do an impolite expression to jim-san?
It apologizes if it is "YES".

I do not have the intention of bullying you.
They do not want also to bully you.


We wish to express our gratitude for gentle feelings of jim-san.
However,
Japan is very severe with the Japanese.
Even if jim-san is generous to the Japanese, the government in Japan
severely manages the Japanese.

A careful person fears it.
A careful person thinks that there is a possibility that the government in Japan metes
out punishment to Japanese volunteers.
They think that the method of preventing the punishment that attacks the volunteer is
more necessary.

The volunteer is a weak individual.
A careful person worries about the volunteer very much.

Jim-san has the soft heart.
They also have the soft heart.

>>440
Your English is very well.

Dear Jim-san,

Wrote it to >>421,; but again.

All the deletion accounts of 2CHANNEL were promoted today.
The person who could do deletion in BBSPINK disappeared.

http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/saku/1147965879/307-309n

How does Jim-san do it?

>>434
翻訳さんくすです
軽く感動したのでこれからは頑張って英語で書くようにするよ

I forgot to turn on a name.
I wrote >>442.

My deletion account became extinct, too.
I cannot do volunteer activity anymore.

Be patient please. We will make a better system soon.
This was not asked for by me or by someone I know.
bbs2ch:thread:http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/saku/1147965879/310
so have to fix it that is all.

Hey!! Jim-san!! Sei!! Sei!! Sei!!
Please update my volunteer name.

[Before]
イレイザーラモンHG ◆HG/Ok.YX3U

[After]
イレイザーラモンHG ★


　 ヽ○ﾉ　foooooooooooo!!
　　 /
　 <<

Sei!! & foooooooooooo!! is voice out of hard gay's soulful :-)

I recommend the leader to ANALFUCKo6-san.
I think that he is the person who can trust it.

IZUMI-san was resigned. >>405
TORU-san also recommends ANALFUCKo6-san. >>394

He is very well informed to law.

>>443
今回 \600- になります

hey 434(>448)
please smile

>>447
おまえが管理人だったとしてよく知りもしない人間に重要な部分任せられるのか？

>>450
Translation
Is an important part left to man who assumes that you were a manager and doesn't know well?

An answer
He is a volunteer TORU-san recommended.
I trust TORU-san.

Thing to believe person easily.
This might be dangerous.

Still, I believe its eyes and Jim-san.
The final decision is entrusted to Jim-san.

>>445
I think that it means that IZUMI and TORU demanded it.
You were not able to understand it.

Can you prepare it into you now?

Do you prepare a board accepting a deletion request newly?
Or do you use an existing board?

Do you introduce a deletion method into 鰡?

When is GL of Jim going to be made?

Dear Jim-san

Do you raise a BBSPINK's volunteer yet?
I want to become it. And I hope to help your work.
I intend to try a duty hard.
If you think me not to deserve to be you Please stop my the deletion account.

（ちゃんと伝わるだろうか不安だ･･･。

This whole problem is made by some who has cats whispering in their ear.
Deletion script is not the problem it is simple script
and same one or new one can be used. The problem is who are the current deleters.
I don't know the names or contact for these people. Only one person
knows, and they have not shared that informatioin.
Guidelines are simple and have been discussed enough.
I am very happy that we have many volunteers.
Only a few have been corresponding with me by email.
Please be patient. Gomenasai sumi-masen.

I like to become a volunteer. Please add me〜☆（＾＾）

jim-san

I take out an email in this address(misaoow3kg at hotmail dot co dot jp)
to you. (jim at 80 dot kg and jim at bbspink dot com)

If you receive it, please write in it at this thread.

>>456
I am sorry I do not have that email in my eudora.
I have done a complete search including my junk filter.

actually junk is first place I look most of my important mail goes directly to the junk filter.

>457 jim-san

Let me confirm it.

I took out an email to two addresses. (jim at 80 dot kg and jim at bbspink dot com)

Will neither email arrive?

>>457
Jim-San!

I've a question:

What E-mail account did you search at ?

a) jim at bbspink.REMOVEcom
b) jimATMARK80.kg
c) dnsATMARKnttsupport.com

Some says they mailed to b) or c) E-mail account.

>>454
Dear Jim-san

Please read >>269.
Toru-san said that he sent an email about volunteers.
So, we understood that the information was already sent to you.
If you did not receive the email, it is proper to think that there was a problem in email-line among Toru-san with you .

Toru-san informed you of having sent the email to you by 269.
So (if you did not receive it), you should have taken action and tell it to Toru-san, I think.
Because of there was no action, we misunderstood that you already received the email,and you did not react for it.

If there was failure of simple communication, please begin by restoring it.
Please.

I try to transmit a message now, too.

>Jim-san.

>Mr. Jim
Please remove my name from your volunteers list for the time being.
Because I didn't apply for a volunteer of BBSPINK,
and at the present time, there is no leader(possibly defendant) who is trustworthy for me.
(I also mean that your guidelines are not enough safe for me to be a deleter)
I'm really sorry that I couldn't help you.

>457
jim-san

I sent an email to two addresses once again.

Please confirm it.

Will not a trace, an email from toru-san (>>269) arrive, too?

Do not you do any special setting in eudora?

To Jim,
I send Email to you. Please find, read and reply it.

Dear Jim-san

I agree with >>460 san.
TO-RU san declared here that he sent mail to Jim-san. You were able to read it. >>269
He believed that it was able to be sent to you. You had the method for the confirmation.
But you nothing but left the problem.
I think that you only had to say to him at that time, "I have not received it".

When seeing from you, TO-RU san or IZUMI san might be dissenters only of inquisitive.
However, they seem always to be making an effort to give necessary information for you and
to talk with you, I think.
I sincerely hope you do the handshake of reconciliation with them.

Jim !
Deletion stops.
Trial case, a case manager judged the libel that did not depend on GL before.
I think that there are many requests from the outside of BBSpink.

As for me, a manager thinks the window and a method to want you to prepare immediately.


* Is a request in Japanese possible?

* A method to connect with Jim is necessary in Jim missing an email surely.

Excuse me. Jim-san.
I have written it to other threads by mistake.
Look please.
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1155312645/194

>>13 those are not my emails
only send to jimATMARKbbspink.com
THen I can keep bbspink mail clear.
>>465
I have received ANALFUCKo6
email.
I think that other emails were not sent to my email address.

>469 Jim-san

I sent an email once again.
( only send to jimATMARKbbspink.com )

Please confirm it.

Dear Jim-san.

(In Japanese)
あなたが示したポリシーは、利用者の多くに大きな衝撃を与えています。
BBSPINKは、これまで2chの管理下で、日本の法を遵守して運用されてきました。
米国法を基準に変更することは、BBSPINKに急激に大きな変化をもたらします。
それは多くの利用者にとって、好ましいことではありません。
変化は段階的に行われるべきです。

現在、BBSPINKはもう1つの大きな問題を抱えています。
それは、あなたを助けるボランティアが誰もいないことです。
もちろん、ボランティア候補者は何人も存在します。
しかし、彼らには何の権限も無く、実際に作業をすることが出来ません。
Jimさん。あなたは、あなたの下にあなたを助けるボランティアがどれだけいるか把握していますか？
2chのボランティアは、以前のようにBBSPINKの仕事を手伝ってはくれません。
あなたを助けるボランティアに指示を与えてください。
彼らに必要な権限がなければ、権限を与えてください。

BBSPINKが快適で愉快な場所になることが、多くの利用者の望みです。
必要なことを一つずつやっていきましょう。


The policy which you showed gives a big impact to many users.
BBSPINK has observed Japanese law under the management of 2ch till now.
Changing based on the US law brings BBSPINK a rapidly big change.
It is not a favorable thing for many users.
A change should be performed step by step.

BBSPINK has another big problem.
It is that there are none of volunteers who help you.
Of course there are some volunteers candidates.
But they can not work because they have no authority.
Jim-san. Do you understand how many volunteers who helps you?
The volunteer of 2ch doesn't help BBSPINK as before.
Please give the indication to the volunteer who helps you.
If they have not authority that is necessary, please give authority to them.

It is a many users hope that BBSPINK becomes a comfortable and pleasant place.
Let's do a necessary thing, step by step.

Best regards.

Step by step:
I have decided who the new leader will be.
In the future the official guidelines for deletion will be posted at deleter.bbspink.com
All volunteers need to send email again to [email protected]
this email is now active and will receive volunteer requests.

>>470
I am sorry I have not received your email.

>>473
To Jim-SAN

There may be a problem for setting of a junk filter of your email.
I think that I had better change your email software, and try receive again.


To All

Perhaps I think that the all of you who sent an email had better retransmit it,
and should confirm that an E-mail reaches Jim-SAN.

>>474の下段は英語じゃなくてもよかったか。

(In Japanese)
とりあえず、メール送ったけど返事ない人は、bbspink.comのに
再送した上で、届いたか逐一確認したほがいいんじゃないでしょうか。

そう多くはないだろうから、改めてここで。
もう必要ないメールもあるかもしれませんが。

フィルターを一切かけてないメールアドレスを公表するべきだと思う。

>>476
普通、フィルターはソフトの方でかけるんじゃないでしょうか。
Eudoraはそうしてるように見えます（Jimさんの記述から）。

ですから、ソフト変えてみては？と書いてみました。

サーバー側のソフトで弾くシステムもありますが、
bbspink.com には設定してるんでしょうかね。

>>472 Jim-san
I sent mail.

When you update the volunteer list next time,
please put the mark if you received a mail or not.

>>469
Thank for your notice to receive my Email.
I send Email again since your request>>472 to [email protected].
Please find, read, put my request into action, and let me know the result.

your>>472, new leader, official guideline posting is noted, thanks.

to Jim-san, This is last chance for us.

We are taking off from 2ch. And, we need new system.

I don't want to confidence for you.
But, I hope that bbspink is a happy place.
Please send me email it's shinobuATMARK2ch.net.

An email of an answer arrived from Jim-san, you at 15:00.
I am very glad!!

15時に返事が届きました。
嬉しいよう！

>>481
Please reply

ららら無人くん♪

Jim-san,

Thank you for your email. I replay now.
Please confirm...

Got it, finally we can send email to each other.

>473 OK Jim-san

If it lends it, it may be late that an email arrives.

I confirm whether an email arrives again tomorrow to you.

I think about another method if an email does not arrive.

Thanking you in advance.


( in japanese)

ｏｋ　jimさん

もしかしたら、メールが届くのが遅れているのかもしれません。

私は明日また、メールが届いているか貴方に確認します。

もしメールが届いていなかったら、私は別の方法を考えます。

よろしくお願いします。

>>486
◆yzY8OufLJI ＠ピンクなＳＥ ★　SAN

You had better send an E-mail from other adress, if you had it.

Probably I think that your email is caught by a junk filter.

( in japanese)

>487 ◆HORO/D22S2さん

今回は自分のプロバのメール使ってるんで、これがジャンクになると
自分としては手持ちが無いです。

ダメだったら、誰かJimさんにメールが届く人を経由するしかないかも…

( in japanese)

>>488
あ、そうなんですか。。
フリーのメアドか何かだと思ったもので。失礼しました。

あとはsubjectの文字ですかね。引っかかるのは。

メールアドレスも、テキストエディターとかで間違って
ないか確認した方がいいかもしれません（案外よくあるミス）。

( in japanese )

>489 ◆HORO/D22S2 さん

最初はhotmailで、題名もhelloだったんで、もう少し難しい題名に変えました
それでもダメだったんで、プロバのメールで送ってみました。

これでもジャンクになると、正直フィルタ設定がおかしいんじゃないかと思います…

題名がhelloとかってウイルスメール多いし。

( in japanese )
「Hello Jim-san.」で届いてますし、返事も貰えてますよー。

koro ◆8j1enTAicYさん
私にはメールの返信来ませんが、届いているのでしょうか？
皆さんはご自身のメールアドレスを確認時に晒していますが、
私の場合は、ISPのメアド晒すのはイヤですからねぇ。

向こうに書くのか…いってきます

Good morning Jim-san.

"Mail Sending Report Thread to Jim-san."

May I make such a thread?
I think that a general person who will contact Jim-san in the future increases.
When Jim-san registers in the favorite, it is glad.

It talks by this thread.
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1152712869/577

>>493
( in japanese )
返事を貰える時と貰えない時があります。
送信したメール全てが届いているかわかりません。。。

Jim-san.

Please delete
http://test.up.bbspink.com/filestore/aa.gif of http://test.up.bbspink.com/upload.php?action=ls.
I have uploaded a wrong thing without putting the delete key.
A right thing was uploaded as top.gif.
I am sorry to have caused trouble.
Thank you for your consideration.

>>497
そこのUploaderはすぐに流れるから気にしないでいいですよ。

Thank you,YUME-chan.
I loved you from the past.

Sorry for the delay. Here is the deletion leader handle.
LOVE★
I have to drive 500 miles, then I will be online again with email.
Thank you Toru and Izumi for your help
and also Analfuck koropink and witch.
You have all really helped me with this decision
and I hope you will support my selection.

I hope the leader named “Love” doesn't become “Rub”, because I think he or she is Japanese, ha!

Never hope Love★ does rub all the posts he or she finds.
Is it too hard for him or her?

>>500　Jim-san．
Is a leader of deletion LOVE★-san?
I obey decision of JIM-san.

Please be careful about driving.

500miles about 800Km ........so long.
TAKE CARE!!!

>>500
Jim-san, LOVE-san,

I made a CAP for LOVE-san and I sent its password to LOVE-san via email.

The CAP handle name is LOVE ★
Now LOVE-san can use this all bulletin board servers of bbspink.com,
pie, idol, sakura01, sakura02, and sakura03.

I hope your decision brings good future to us and bbspink.

And unfortunately, today I must have a periodical medical health examination.
As you know, it brings sometimes very hard for my body and soul,
and probably today I will be offline.

Regards,

Dear Jim-san.

Congratulations of the deletion leader on the decision.
I support the decision of Jim-san.

I cooperate.
To LOVE-san and Jim-san and the volunteer.

I today and tomorrow will be offline.
I also leave for the drive.
Good travel for Jim-san.

>>477
どの段階でフィルターをかけているにせよ、ジムがメールにフィルターをかけているって事は、そのメール
アドレスにジャンクメールが到着するからでしょう。でも、重要なメールもそこでやりとりしている。
本当に行方不明になるメールがあるなら、そのメールアドレスは連絡手段として不適当ですよね。

じゃあ、bbspink.comもEudoraも使わず、フリーで新しいメールアドレスを取って当面の連絡に使うべきだと
思うのです。新しいメールアドレスなら、まずジャンクメールは届かないからフィルターをかける必要もない。
まあ、メールが行方不明になっても構わないとか、実はメールは自分で消していたとかならそんな必要は
ありませんが。

jim-san

>486 I ask you to confirm an email once again.
A title is this. "It is confirmation of the email transmission of a message future."

In addition, I sent an email to delATMARKbbspink.com.
Please confirm an email of that place.

( in Japanese )

jimさん

私はもう一度貴方にメールを確認する事を依頼します。
題名はこれです。

また、私はdelATMARKbbspink.comへメールを送りました。
そちらのメールも確認して下さい。

volunteer update
>>366 plus

龍翔 ◆RYU22yoiDI
yume ◆Yume.xMgf6
ひまゆき ◆3HioLDbjnQ
GEISHA ◆BB6cfdec1g

（見落としをご指摘ください。）

>>509
(in Japanese)
こちらにも書き込もうと
と思ったのですがボランティアスレッドに書き込みました、
申し訳ありません。

Dear　Jim-san,　LOVE-san
It is KYO that sent mail yesterday.
It wants will support in no small way, and I hope for the volunteer in the future.

My best regards.

Deleterリーダーに就任致しました、LOVE★です。
どうぞよろしくお願い致します。

Announcement to the volunteers who are on the list >>366 and >>509 above:

Send these to del at bbspink dot com by email from the internet provider.
The leader will receive it.


1. A trip which is on the list Jim made for the volunteers.
2. A trip's password for proving identical.
3. A handle of your cap.
4. A password of your cap.
5. Your age.
6. What kind of volunteer experience in 2ch have you had, if you have done?

Write new trip after you prove your identical if you want to change a trip.


1. リストにあるトリップ
2. トリップパスワード（本人証明）
3. 希望キャップハンドル
4. キャップパスワード
5. 年齢
6. ２ちゃんねるでのボランティア経験

プロバイダーメールにて送信してください。
del＠メールはリーダーが受信致します。
尚、トリップ変更を希望される方は、リスト上のトリップが送信者本人であることを証明した上、変更後のトリップを本文に書き添えてください。

>>512
リストに載ってる人全員が送るのか、デリーターを希望している人のみなのか
どちらなのかはっきり書くべきだと思う

新規募集しないんですか？
おれ削除人になりたいです

>>512
トリパスなんてかなりの個人情報だけど、騙りも出てないのに提出する必要に疑義を感じます。

>>515
他の本人確認の方法を示さないとだめですね。

>>515
参加者識別情報ではあるけど、個人特定に繋がらないので個人情報とは言えないと思うけど。
さらに、捨てトリップを使ってもよい、って言ってんだから、ますます問題なし。

騙りが出るかどうかはメールを集めてみないと分からないわけで、
その可能性があるわけだから、事前に対策を講じるのはリーダーとして当然でしょう。

結論としては的外れということ。

>>512
貴女に一つ言っておきますわ。
項目2は、その書き方だと不完全じゃありませんこと？
どなたからか学習された手法かもしれませんけれど、慣れないことをするものではありませんことよ。
よろしくて？

>>509
（´・ω・`）見落としただけですよね？

トリップリストにない人は応募できないってことですか？

これからトリップ付ければいいの？

>>512
私も送ってもかまいませんか？
デリーター希望なのですが。

こちらこそよろしくお願い致します。

>>513
リストに載っている人、という指定なので、リストに載っている人全員が対象でしょう。
削除人希望者だけ、っていう限定はしてないんだから。
はっきり｢リストされている人」と書いてあるでしょう。

就任早々のリーダーに難癖つけないように。

削除人のリーダーが理由もなく全員と言うのもね。
リーダーへの信頼は無条件で行えという態度が反感を産んでる。

所信表明くらいないの？
ニューリーダー

>>522
既にキャップ発行されている人とかいるでしょ

別に難癖付けてるわけじゃない

>>522
＞リストに載っている人、という指定なので、リストに載っている人全員が対象でしょう。
＞削除人希望者だけ、っていう限定はしてないんだから。
＞はっきり｢リストされている人」と書いてあるでしょう。

ここまではＯＫ

＞就任早々のリーダーに難癖つけないように。

蛇足

>>524
それなら、キャップ発行済みの人についてはどうなるのか聞けばよいのであって、
「リストに載ってる人全員が送るのか、デリーターを希望している人のみなのか」
という質問にはならないでしょ。

きっと、このリーダーの方は融通の利かない性質ですことよ。
ボランティアとして立候補なさりたい方々は、そのことをよく踏まえられた上で立候補されることをおすすめいたしますわ。
よろしければ、ご参考あそばせ。

そして、５１１は微妙だが、
５１２以降はどう見てもスレ違い。

仮にもキャップ持つようになる奴まで混じってるみたいだが、
スレタイ１００回読み直して来い。

旧削除人が汚い圧力を掛けてるしかみえねぇ
LOVEさん
反乱分子は切り捨てて新しい未来を作って下さい
こんな些細な事でいちゃもんつけてくる奴ら要らないっしょ

あなたがたもですことよ。
人の振り見て我が振りなおせ・・・とはよく言ったものですわ。

>>528
このスレで募集する必要があったのでは？
そのための英語併記なんじゃないかな。

>>526
スレ違いと指摘を受けたのでこちらに
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1154967847/936

>>531
リーダーの発言を待ちましょう。
ちゃんと対応できるリーダーなのか反応の仕方が参考になります。

>>533
そうね。

>>512
命令でしょうか？
私は「リストから外してほしい」と>>463でお願いをしましたが、
まだ返事を貰っておらず、リストに入ったままの状態です。
命令される筋合いは無いと思うのですが。

>>535
常識的に考えて、ボランティア希望者に対してでしょう。
希望しないのなら送らなければ良いだけです。

>>536
常識が通じるかどうかすら、現時点では分からないので。
まあ、これもコミュニケーションの一つです。

ボランティアを希望しない人がコミュニケーション・・・
リーダーはボランティアのリーダーと思うなあ
住人のリーダーじゃないと思うなあ

鰡も住民じゃ
住民のためのリーダーじゃないなら何のためだろうね。
とりあえず発言してくれないと、Jimさんと同じで何を考えてるのか相手に伝わらないよ。
リーダーって権力者ですか？

酷い云われようだな。
まぁ、なにはともあれ頑張れ。

>>小太郎さん
>>509はLOVE ★さんです。
>見落としをご指摘ください。
とあります。

「ご指摘」の募集期間は１時間だったんですか？

LOVE★が見落としが多い人だと言うのはわかった。
このスレくらいマトモに読んでから募集してもよかったんじゃないかね。

とりあえず、スレ違いな話題は下のスレでやらないか？
ここだとJim-sanも読むのが大変、大変。(^_^;)

エロいボランティアさんと一緒
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1152712869/

>>542
それは小太郎さん自身の解釈によるものです。
既に言われているように
「リストから外して貰う意思を表明しているのでメールは送りません」
と書けば良いはずです。

>>ALL
募集絡みは場所を変えましょう。
>>544のスレッドへ。

またLOVEさんが日本人かどうかも不明です。

>>544
ここで募集かけたのLOVE★さんだし、スレ違いでもないでしょ。
リーダーへの反応はJimさんも知ってて損は無いでしょ

>>546
ほう。
ＪＩＭと話すスレであっても１利用者のはずの
ボランティア（削除だけ？）のリーダーなら、
募集かけようがどうしようがスレ違いではなくなるという新ルール採用か？

リーダーへの反応を知っていて欲しいなら、話合ったスレのＵＲＬでもここに貼ればいいだけ。

>>547
LOVE★さんに言ってあげたらどうでしょう？
LOVE★さんはJimが直接用意したリーダーですよ。

リストアップされている１人だが…
情報が錯綜していて、どの様に対応して良いか大変困惑している。
LOVE★氏の提示した連絡要項内容及び募集期間等も大変気にはなるが、
現状、はっきりした事が分るまで静観させて頂くつもりでは居る。

>>548
>>546でスレ違いでもないでしょと判断を下したのはあなたではないのですか？

Dear Jim-san

I sent greetings email to Jim-san.
Date: 17 2,006 Thu, Aug 23:03:02 +0,900s
X-Mailer-Plugin: BkASPil for Becky!2 Ver.2.055

Did my email arrive?

>>550
おまえもここで続けないで移動しろ

Dear Jim-san,LOVE★san

Congratulations on decision of the deletion leader.
I hope bbspink will become more and more pleasant.
By the way,I have some questions about >>512.

1)
In >>155,Jim-san said "If there is personal information it will be kept in the USA, and only I will have access to it".
Now,LOVE★-san said the leader will receive e-mail from volunteers.
Does it mean that you will share the informatioin after this?
(I think that a e-mail address is one of the personal information. If it is my misunderstanding, please forgive me.)

2)
In >>512,LOVE★-san said "Announcement to the volunteers who are on the list >>366 and >>509 above".
Does it mean LOVE★-san manages not only Deleters but also all volunteers?
(I think that LOVE★-san is the deletion leader,so LOVE★-san manages only Deleters.)

If I have misunderstand, please correct it.
I'll be glad to receive your reply.

My best regards.

エロいボランティアさんと一緒
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1152712869/623

LOVE ★さん

他の垢全部不能にしてからでないと、いけないのでは？
トリパスなんてのも、リーダーと管理者だけが見れる状態になれば送ります。

個人証明は、あなたから鯔への返信メールに、それぞれ違う他人に難しい特定の文字をいれて、トリップ付きでレスに特定の言葉を書いてもらう事で解決するのでは？
本人確認のためにトリばらすってのが良く分かりません。

皆さん、暖かな歓迎ありがとうございます。

メール発送の締め切り期日や追加募集予定は、集まり方次第で判断できた時点で発表致します。

>>554
delのメルアドは、管理者と私だけが見れるようになっていると聞いております。

トリップパスについてですが、予め捨てトリップをスレ上で証明してから送っていただいても構いません。

＞LOVEさん

LOVEさんと話ができるスレを別に用意した方がいいと思う。
ここはJimさんのスレ。Jimさんが自分宛の書き込みを
埋もれた日本語の中から発掘しなくならなければならない事態は
できるだけ避けてあげた方がいいと思う。
善処よろしう。

エロいボランティアさんと一緒
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1152712869/

鯔同士のお話なら、こっちでするのがいいと思いまーす

ここで続行のようですね。

>>555
ハンドルをいきなり書いて送れとの事ですが削を入れるなどの縛りはないのですね？
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153578728/55-56

>>558
配る予定なのが削除作業用キャップだけとは限らないんじゃない。
すでにキャップ発行されている人だって、削とかついてなくて、
作業内容を示してない人もいるんだし。

volunteer update
>>366 plus

龍翔 ◆RYU22yoiDI
yume ◆Yume.xMgf6
ひまゆき ◆3HioLDbjnQ
GEISHA ◆BB6cfdec1g
◆LTA6Wjwq4M

>>555
聞いている、つまり伝聞で確認していないわけですね。
聞いた相手はJimさんですか？
パスワードの変更を行って、それをJimさんに連絡すれば二人だけが見れる状態が作れると思います。
ご自分で確認できる状態にしてから募集をかけてはどうでしょうか。

>>559
貴方には聞いていません、リーダーに聞いているのです。
ハンドルのグループ分け制度はリーダーに一任されてます、でしゃばりを猛省しなさい。

>>560
LOVE ★さん
すみませんが、リストに加えておいていただけないでしょうか？

（このスレに書き込む事が volunteer list 登録の条件だと思って
いたので、Jimさんに明確に意思表明しておりませんでしたが、
意志はあります）。

To JimSAN

I want to participate as a volunteer of BBSPINK.
Is it possible from now?

>511-512 LOVE ★さん

はじめまして。　◆yzY8OufLJI ＠ピンクなＳＥ ★と申します。

>512 の募集メールの件で１点質問があります。

LOVE ★さんは日本語が出来るようですが、鯔募集メールは
日本語オンリーでも良いのでしょうか？
それとも日本語と英語を併記ですか？


あと、>508 の
＞また、私はdelATMARKbbspink.comへメールを送りました。
の件、確認お願いできないでしょうか？

メールが届かないと出しても意味無いので。

私の捨てトリップです。

あと、提案なのですが、LOVE ★さんとデリーター鯔同士のやり取りについては

☆ 連絡＆報告 7 ☆
http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/saku/1147965879/

のように別のスレを建てて遣り取りした方が良いように思います。

お願いできますか？　＞LOVE ★さん

本トリ

捨てです。

本トリ

volunteer update
>>366 plus

龍翔 ◆RYU22yoiDI
yume ◆Yume.xMgf6
ひまゆき ◆3HioLDbjnQ
GEISHA ◆BB6cfdec1g
◆LTA6Wjwq4M
◆HORO/D22S2


>>512に関する以降のメールsubjectは　"GIVE ME A CAP"　でお願い致します。

>>564
Jim-sanにも送りますので、読んで欲しければ英語が宜しいかと思います。
日本語はあってもなくても構いません。
メール発送日とタイトルを教えていただけますでしょうか？

これ以降のレスは >>544のスレで、
捨てトリップもそちらでお願い致します。

捨て

>>512
応募先のメールアドレスが明記されていない気がします。

>>571
2行目

英文に紛れ込ませるなんてずいぶん巧妙なテクニックを使うじゃないですかー。
すっかり騙されましたよー。セイ！セーイ！

質問・雑談スレ235＠運用情報板
http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1155822977/26

26 名前：ひろゆき＠どうやら管理人 ★[] 投稿日：2006/08/18(金) 02:04:57 ID:???0 ?DIA(30607)
bbspinkが規制をすることで2chのユーザーが巻き込まれるのは変なので、
がしがし解除しちゃっていいとおもうです。
bbspink側でISPに通報解除って仕組みが出来れば、
検討の余地はありますが、それがない以上は、
2chのユーザーを規制することを説明できる根拠はないと思います。


報告人作戦BBSPINK本部準備室
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1154072524/19

19 名前： ◆Reffiz2Zh. [sage] 投稿日：2006/08/05(土) 20:51:57 ID:2iXVvbFE
規制案件ありますが現時点では通報は出来ません。
それでJimに以下のことを説明して許可をもらいたいんですがこれだけで
大丈夫か不安なので意見ありましたらよろしくお願いします。

・２ちゃんねるのプロバイダへの通報はボランティアで作業をしている。
・僕が２ちゃんねるの通報ボランティアを実質統括していて管理人より規制解除
　権限を持っている。
・BBSPINKでの通報作業の許可
・僕の規制解除権限の承認

※規制情報板の問題もありますが上記を承認してもらえれば通報作業と解除は
　問題なくできるようになると思います。


この件について、BBSPINK運営側からの報告でなければ対応出来ないとおっしゃるプロバイダさんもあるようですので、早急に検討お願いします。

http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/operate/1155822977/26

26 name：Hiroyuki 投稿日：2006/08/18(金) 02:04:57 ID:???0 ?DIA(30607)

It is unreasonable that 2ch users become victim to the bbspink ISP regulation.

So you can unlock anytime you want.

If bbspink has its own system that can inform ISP and unlock,
I might have another idea.
but if it doesn't have, bbspink can not have any reason which it can regulate 2ch users.


http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1154072524/19

19 名前： ◆Reffiz2Zh. [sage] 投稿日：2006/08/05(土) 20:51:57 ID:2iXVvbFE

There are some matters which should be regulated, but we can not inform ISP yet.

So could someone let Jim know;


on 2ch, volunteers are informing ISP

I have the leader of informers, and Hiroyuki gives me the permission of unlocking, and I unlock ISP locking.

Can volunteers do the same thing on bbspink?

Can I do the same thing on bbspink?

If Jim give us the permission, it's going to be normal.

Some ISP say that information should come from bbspink.
so please give us the answer ASAP.

>>553 1)
From Jim-san

if they have problem with it. tell them to send email to me directly.

＞LOVE ★さん
すまないが、日本人利用者に関係のある事であれば日本語でお願いしたい。
jimさんにも必要な連絡であれば、両方書けばいい事だと考えるが。

LOVE-san, May I confirm one?

Jim-san promised to us,
"only I will have access to personal information" at folow.
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153928667/l50
Did he permit for you to have volunteer's information?

I think that he and Japanese leader should jointly manage it.
Therefore, I welcome decision of Jim-san.

You will be able to play at once if Jim-san or you answer this.

民主党は“全て中国の言う通り”がモットー。
公明党は創価学会とともに日本を朝鮮のものにしようとしてる。
創価学会は日本の大手メディアを間接支配していて、 社民党は朝鮮総連とともに拉致の存在を否定し、被害者の活動を妨害した。
共産党は北朝鮮に関して社民党と同じ。それに加えて反自衛隊・反米である。
朝鮮総連と民潭は日本を解体して朝鮮にしようと参政権を狙っているし、
統一教会は売国政党の社民党を支援している。
☆朝日新聞などは中国と朝鮮の代弁者、つまり日本最大手の売国新聞だし、
日教組は基本理念のレベルから反資本主義・反体制であり、残る自民党にも中国の顔色ばかり窺っている者が潜んでいるのである。
今後は『人権擁護法案』成立を契機に公明党は民主党に鞍替えして連立し、 実質外国人与党が誕生して第二期工作の完結となるのが彼らの筋書きである。 （今、実際にそのように動きつつある）
そうすればあっという間に外国人参政権を成立させて日本の国政は全て
朝鮮人が牛耳り、朝鮮に歯向かう日本人の政治介入する隙間を残さない
新たな制度が完成することだろう。
そしてこれらの売国組織に必ず関与し、彼らの侵略行為の結果において
最も利益を享受する立場にあるのが『在日朝鮮人』である。
http://hisazin-up.dyndns.org/up/src/14540.wmv 在日特権の真相にせまる21.68MiB

>>578
Yes, he permitted that I can see all information reaching to del@, but others are not.
So, if you have any problem, send directly to Jim.

＞580 ：LOVE ★さん
めんどくさいんで日本語で。。。
メール送りました。これでボランティアさんの登録が出来るはずです。
よろしくお願いしますー。

Dear Jim-san,LOVE★san

I sent email to Jim-san. LOVE★san
Did my email arrive?
Please confirm an email of that place.

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: GIVE ME A CAP

>>569
I sent a mail. plz chk.

Subject: GIVE ME A CAP
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 02:55:05 +0900

me too.
I sent e-mail to Jim-san by a sentence of >>576.


Subject: GIVE ME A CAP
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 09:49:53 +0900

>>584
I received yours. I did not receive
>>583 or >>582
Please check your outbox.

>>575 Lets try as usual as it was before. If there is reason to change
the old ISP regulation from 2ch then we can discuss it here.
For the time being I don't see a reason to change the current
system.
Lets talk about it again next week.

>>586
2chとBBSPINKは"別の"BBSなので、2chのボランティアがBBSPINKの名前でISPに報告する事が出来ませんので、"現在のシステム"は稼動していません。
2 彼らにBBSPINKでも2chと同様の活動(ISPへの報告/規制の解除)を許可して下さい。

Since 2ch and BBSPINK are "another" BBS and the volunteer of 2ch cannot report to ISP in the name of BBSPINK, "current system" is not working.
Please permit them the same activity (report to ISP /Release of regulation) as 2ch also by BBSPINK.

Maybe I am not understanding this reporting system. Can someone please explain it to me?

>>588
When those who engaged in disruptive behavior obstinately at BBS are

1. Volunteers report to ISP.
2. ISP copes with warning etc. to a user.
3. Receive mail of the completion of correspondence from ISP.
4. Work deregulation.

There is also a place which does not correspond depending on ISP if it is not the report from the management persons concerned.


BBSにて執拗に迷惑行為をされた方が居た場合

1.ボランティアの方が、ISPに報告
2.ISPがユーザーに対して警告等の対処を行う
3.ISPから対処完了のメールを受け取る
4.規制解除の作業を行う

ISPによっては、運営関係者からの報告でなければ対応しないところもあります。

Jim-san, ALL:

I received email from Jim-san about CAP management.
And I will teach Jim-san how to manage CAP handles at bbspink later.
I think I can allocate the time for it tonight.

Jim-san, if you approve it, you can teach it to LOVE-san.

Regards,

The system of regulation is common to 2ch and BBSPINK.
The volunteer of 2ch can deregulate.

1. It cannot report in the name of BBSPINK.
2. There is no permission which cancels regulation of BBSPINK.

For this reason, it is "being unable to work, although it can do."

They have expressed the report to ISP about regulation of BBSPINK, and the will which performs deregulation.
In order to obtain their help, please say to them, "Help."


規制のシステムは、2chとBBSPINKで共通です。
2chのボランティアが規制解除する事ができます。

1.BBSPINKの名前で報告する事ができない
2.BBSPINKの規制を解除する許可がない

このため「出来るのに、働けない」です。

彼らはBBSPINKの規制についてのISPへの報告や、規制解除を行う意志を表明しています。
彼らの助力を得るには、彼らに"手伝って下さい"と言って下さい。

>>585
Jim-san

I sent an email once again >>582
Did my email arrive?
Please confirm an email of that place.

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 5:47 PM
Subject: GIVE ME A CAP

>>585 Jim-san

I sent mail again. 2nd try.
I hope my mail arrive to you.
/pray

Subject: GIVE ME A CAP
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 18:05:21 +0900

>>581
確認致しました。本当にどうもありがとうございました。
使い方に関する質問等はメールさせていただきますので、これからもどうぞよろしくお願い致します。
>>582,583
I received those.

>>594
LOVE ★さんには届いたようで安心しました。

ATTN:LOVE-SAN

This is 3rd try.
Thank you.

Subject: GIVE ME A CAP
Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:57

これで良いのかな？

>>596-597
>>569　ですよん。

>>LOVE★さん
理解出来たのでメールを送らせて頂きました。
ご確認の程、宜しく御願い致します。

Subject: GIVE ME A CAP
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 21:15:47 +0900

>>598
見落としてました。あちゃ〜。

>>569
LOVE ★ SAN
Thanks for recognizing me as a volunteer.

I'm sorry that it becomes slow to transmit an email.
I send e-mail to del@ now
Please confirm it later.

Subject: GIVE ME A CAP
Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 01:16:49 +0900

　*send ◆HORO/Lmzew trip asss
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1155882884/9-10

Jim-san

It's　NEW!!
Subject: GIVE ME A CAP
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:14:26 +0900

I can make CAP now. I will start making them.
CAP will be made for people that LOVE ★
requests me to make for, and for people I know and trust.

うふーん

>>64
（in japanese)

LOVE ★さん

すみませんが、先ほど送ったメールで、削除人用ハンドルではない
希望ハンドルを送信してしまったんですが、削除人用のハンドルを
再申請したほうがいいでしょうか？

特にその区別が必要ないのでしたら、再送はしませんが。

>>604 LOVE ★ さん
> This means the leader can see information of the volunteers.
> So, we have to adopt only people who allow the leaders to see their information.
> Though we are very sorry about it, there is no help for it for now.

I can't understand the meaning that you said.
Because you have already seen volunteer's personal data by email.
>>578, >>580

Announcement to the volunteers:

Thank you for sending the application for the volunteer.
We have now enough number of the volunteers for the first stage recruitment.
We are going to close accepting an email for "GIVE ME A CAP" after 48 hours from now.
We adopt only people who allow the leaders to see their information.

All the applicants who sent to del@ will receive some information in a few days by email.
Please wait for it.


ボランティア申し込みを送っていただき、ありがとうございます。
第一期募集として充分な人数が集まりました。
今から48時間以内に、"GIVE ME A CAP"メールの受付を終了致します。
リーダーがボランティアの個人情報を見ることに同意する人だけを採用致します。

del@にメールを送った全ての申請者に、数日中にメールが届きます。
それまでお待ちください。

>>605
ボランティアの役割分担が未定ですので、キャップは一般的なものでかまいません。
>>606
Jim-sanに直接メールした人へのお知らせです。

>>608
わかりました。ありがとうございます。
お手数をおかけしました。

>>608＞LOVE ★さん
>役割分担が未定ですので、キャップは一般的なものでかまいません。
後から変えることは出来ますか

>>608 LOVE ★-san
You announced send mail to del@ at >>512.
You can see volunteer's information,
because the del@ do delivery to both of Jim-san and LOVE-san.
Isn't it?

GIVE ME A CAP

A trip for the personal certification
◆AlICezvGXk

>LOVEさんへ
612のメールはDate: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 05:34:27 +0900に送信しました。
パスですが、半角カナが混じっているためそのままでは文字化けします。
半角に修正をお願いします。
うっかりしていました。お手数を掛けてすみません。

Dear JIm-san and LOVE-san

I sent email to Jim-san. LOVE-san.

Sent: Sat, 19 Aug 2006 11:40:35 +0900
Subject: GIVE ME A CAP

>>LOVE-san
My trip-pass is all Fullsize-kana.

>>614はスレ違い投稿でした。ごめんなさい。

788 ： ◆MISAOOw3kg ：2006/08/19(土) 18:05:53 ID:rz0Qtg2J0
これまでに★を貰った人と、私が把握している人の差分をとるだけです♪

というか、こんな荒らしスレに書いている時点で削除★剥奪だと思いますが。

Hello, Mr.Jim

I participate in a volunteer.
As one person who loves BBSPINK.

volunteer update
>>366 plus

龍翔 ◆RYU22yoiDI
yume ◆Yume.xMgf6
ひまゆき ◆3HioLDbjnQ
GEISHA ◆BB6cfdec1g
◆LTA6Wjwq4M
◆HORO/D22S2
◆SELEN/.zg6

JIM-SAN

I'd like to be a volunteer.(if possible, I'd like to be DELETER)
I sent E-MAIL to Love-SAN.(DEL ATMARK BBSPINK DOTCOM)
Detail is below:

Subject: GIVE ME A CAP
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2006 02:26:16 +0900

>>619
We are sorry, but we do not add your name this time.
It is because I do not see your handle in this board, and your email was a free email address.
We will recruit the second stage soon.
Please wait until then.

Announcement about the first stage of recruitment:

It is time to close the first stage recruitment now.
Thank you for sending email.
We start now.

>>620
その理由をちゃんと読まなかったことにいかんのい

Jim, I sent you a mail about a problem.
If it doesn't be solved, I can't help bbspink officially.

Commemoration Bccomi

>>623
A problem? or Some problems?

A problem makes problems.

複雑系理論？

なになに？全ての問題は一つの要因に帰結する、と？

問題は雪だるま式に膨れ上がると。

なるほど。

eeeee

Wooops!

* done *

>>631
Tzalik

>>631
Would you teｌｌ us a little in detail?

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The evening sun sinks today.
However, it becomes a morning sun and it will come back tomorrow.

That's the way the cookie crumbles...Dear Jim

酉割れっすか？

>>630
Deletion script has security problem. It is temporary disabled until I find the solution. probably within 24-36 hours.
when it is fixed, then I will delete >>630
sorry for the inconvenience.

狐の次はjimさんか

じゃあ、ぶっちゃけちゃうと、大将に伝えたのはγとCyanともう1人。もう1人は先ほど確認して私の勘違いだったので出さない。
その二人は↓に書いてあるリストに載っている。
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153928667/366
ありす ◆Alice7XIII とhalc/cyan ◆duswpnLeMU の二人。

前者はhttp://meikan.39.kg/count03.htmlでトリップの「Alice7XIII」で検索すればわかる。
後者はHNとCyanのまとめツールのあるサイトからとわかる。

これらのスレも含めて誰でも閲覧可能なものから私はその人がBBSPINKでも鰡をしていることがわかったので大将に伝えた。

私しか知りえない情報を大将に伝えたわけではないので、トオルのhttp://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1155312645/318
> 「海王さんから"PINKでANALって責任者をやってるんだけどこっちで削除屋やらないか？ ２ちゃんねるの削除屋は
> ＊＊とか＊＊とかしかいないんだよ"という（以下略）」
っていう、他の人が知りえないBBSPINKの鰡情報を漏らしてるということに反論したということです。

Qの内容を公開することには同意しません。同意しないことはその時のQでの会話の中でも大将に伝えてあります。

すげぇ誤爆だな、おい。

>>641
どうぞ
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1156148016/173

>>639
>>630ですか？>>631の間違いではありませんか？

Is it >>630? Is it a mistake in >>631?

>>644 it is mistake
I meant >>631

＞Jim
Why don't you play one of the video game 'Don Doko Don'? (by TAITO corp.)
In that game, player2 is named 'Jim'.
I think it is just for you.

I am pretty good at minesweeper, that is about my limit of games.

>>Jim-san
What has happened to the following affair?
>>574-575
>>586-589
>>591

下記の件はどうなっていますか？
>>574-575
>>586-589
>>591

Jim-san.

The reputation of AF★ and L★ is very bad.
There is only a bad reputation. Language usage is very rude and dirty.
Moreover, their attitude is very bad.
Furthermore, an important question escapes, without answering.
I cannot think two leaders at all.

>>Jim-san
Other volunteers' personal information was contributed.
◆ANALFUCKo6 ＠肛門性交 ★ performed this post.
I think that it is dangerous for other volunteers that he continues activity as a volunteer.
Please declare prohibition of the activity as his formal volunteer, and deprivation of CAP.
Please delete this report.

http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1156148016/220
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153928667/641

他のボランティアの個人情報が投稿されました。
この投稿を行ったのは◆ANALFUCKo6 ＠肛門性交 ★です。
彼がボランティアとして活動を続ける事は、他のボランティアにとって危険だと思います。
彼の公式なボランティアとしての活動の禁止と、CAPの剥奪を宣言して下さい。
この記事を削除してください。

>>620
信頼できない人にプロバメール晒す人はいないと思うのん

Jim-san

さんご ★-san wants to quit a volunteer.
Please remove all information of "さんご ★" including a script data.
http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1155859924/80

>>651
I have read the post. I don't see any telephone numbers, street address or real names.
It is not polite and embarrassing but not fits the deletion guidelines.
I hope that the poster will not do it in the future.

ジムさんのレス番がずれているのは
>>604が削除された後
専ブラでログの再取得をしていないからかも

>>653
貴方はかつて情報を貴方がだけが持ち、匿名性によってボランティアは保護されると書きました。
あの発言は嘘ですか？

>>655
海王はPINKのスレッド上のトリップと、2chの削除人であるトリップを結び付けただけで
Jimのメールを見られるとは言ってないからその質問は飛びすぎじゃね？
露呈した二人は2chで活動している最中に使ったトリップで応募したのが自己責任でしょ

勿論わざわざそんな事を発見して勧誘の際に恥ずかしげも無く使う海王は
誰からの信用も得られるとは思えんけど

>>604のLOVE ★氏の
> 私達は、現在のシステムにおいてアカウント追加機能と
> その他のメンテナンス機能の入り口が同じであることがわかりました。
> これは、リーダーがボランティアの個人情報を見られることを意味します。
が怪しいということになってくる。

> 今から48時間後に、GIVE ME A CAPメールの受付を終了致します。
メアド収集したいために急募になったと取られても仕方が無い。

>>656
スレ上のトリップはJim氏が認めた人間のリストであって、実際に応募採用された
人間のリストじゃない。
それはスレに書きこんですぐにリストに反映されてたことから明らかだ。

応募採用された人間のリストは伏せられていなければならない。
それが漏れることに無頓着なのは大変問題だ。

>>658
それと、普通に考えれば「掲示板上では明かしていない2chの削除人」もいる可能性高いのに、
掲示板上で明かした人「しかいない」と言っていますよね。
トオルさんの発言が真実であれば、
海王さんは「採用者（ラブさんとジムさん）しか知り得ないはずの情報」を知っているんでしょう。

とりあえずトリでの本人証明させてるから、誰々が確実に送ったかはわかる。
それで全員とは限らないけど。
リーダーの失敗だと思うんだな。

訴えられる危険性でボランティアの誰が日本人だと言ってますかと◆ANALFUCKo6は言っておきながら、
◆ANALFUCKo6 ＠肛門性交 ★はスレ上であのボランティアは、２ｃｈのあのボランティアと言って、
間接的にそのボランティアの危険を上げちゃった。

こういう行為はピンクを危なくする行為で、ボランティアの資質として考えなきゃいけないと思う。

LOVE★は情報漏えいの責任を取ってリーダー辞任（★返上）すべき

>>662
糾弾はされてもやむなしだけど、辞めるべきかどうかはJimさんが決めるべきやね。

むしろ問題を起こした人間に対してどのような処理を行うかだろう。

to jim

あなたが指名したボランティアリーダーたちは、不誠実な行動をした。
彼らは、信頼を失っている。
あなたは、ボランティアリーダーをIZUMIかTORUに依頼すべきだ。
彼らは、多数の利用者から信頼されている。
しかし、あなたが彼らの助言を真摯に受け入れないならば、彼らは請け負わないだろう。

>>663
ここでしがみついてるようじゃ、あのバ海王と同レベルじゃまいか＜らヴ

>>664
何事にも時期というものがある。少なくとも今更妥協から方針を変えても自分には遅すぎる。
ここは自分にとっては既にかつて通り過ぎた道だ。
あの時に耳を貸さなかった人が今困窮から妥協をしたとしても、今後の同様の
ことが起こる不安は払拭できない。

トオルは情にあついから違う判断をするやも知れんが。

>>665
辞めるにしても散らかしたゴミくらいは片付けて逝ってもらわんと後の人に迷惑だ。
だから、LOVE氏は即座に辞めるべきではない。

よしんばジムの広い心によって解任されなかったとしても
今後は完全に裸の王様になってしまうわけだからなあ。
そんなに生き恥を晒してまでも地位に固執したいかねえ。

心が広いのと無責任なのは違う。

ジムさん、問題は、アナルファック、ラブに起因するものではありません。
あなたが馬鹿だからです。猛省してください。ボランティアであろうとする者と対話をしてください。

アナル「だから、おれは海王じゃないといってるだろ」
LOVE「何があっても、私はリーダーをやめません」
Jim「オーゥ！スシ、テンプーラ」

以上、今の状態を３行でまとめますた。

>>669 SAY.

Jim-san.
A problem is not a thing due to ◆ANALFUCKo6 and ◆love love.
The first big cause is because you are stupid.
You should reflect seriously.
Please talk with a person of a volunteer.

やれやれ、ここはキ○ガイばかりだな。

>>672 says...

Stupid. This thread is filled with madness. X-(

Seems like NOBODY really wants to discuss with Jim...

>>674
残念な状況ではあるけど、
Jimさんと真面目に対話しようとした人達を、過去にJimさんがどう扱ったか？
Jimさんが、賛同者だけを周りに集めて、
独断で任命したリーダーとGL作成者は一体どんな人達だったか？

それを考えたらこの現状も仕方無し、という気がします。
自分ももういちいち頑張って英語を書く気すらしない。

Spiritual advice from the Black eyed peas:
"If u touch it Ima start some drama
You don't want no drama
No no drama no no no no drama "

Everyone says everyone else is stupid. That is ok. We are all stupid.
All the blood goes to our hard dicks and we can not think clearly.
So don't take thing so serious, everyone is safe and we can enjoy our
エロ life together.

Dear Jim-san.
Has my recent E-mail received?

Please do not give ANALFUCKo6-san the authority of the adjuster.
It is not preferable to concentrate the authority on one person.
It is thought that it wants you to endeavor in another thing for ANALFUCKo6-san.

Your friend

koropink

Dear Jim-san,

There is an important suggestion.

You or LOVE were permitted various authority to ◆ANALFUCKo6,
but he uses it for himself dogmatically.

It is a very important problem, if you gave him authority of handleCAP setting.
It means volunteer's information leaked out.

◆ANALFUCKo6 has received the criticism from many users by current speech and behavior.
It is very dangerous to entrust an important authority,
to the person to exercise wrong authority.
Please deal with it, immediately.

Regards,


重要な提案があります。
◆ANALFUCKo6氏に様々な権限を貸与しているようですが、
彼はそれを独断で間違った方向に使用しています。

もし、彼にキャップの設定権限を与えているならば、それは大変重要な問題です。
それは、ボランティアの個人情報が、あなたとLOVEさん以外に漏れたという事実を示します。

◆ANALFUCKo6氏はこれまでの言動で多くの利用者から批判を受けています。
誤った権限の行使をするものに、重要な権限を預けることは非常に危険なことです。

速やかに対処をお願いします。

http://academy4.2ch.net/english/
ここで協力呼びかけてみたけどダメだね

>>677 Jim-san

> So don't take thing so serious, everyone is safe and we can enjoy our
> エロ life together.

We are very serious, because BBSPINK changes into dangerous.

>>677
Dear Jim-san

I like your way of thinking to live happily.
I think all all of us are stupid,too.
But I am very sorry that I cannot believe "everyone is safe".
I hope BBSPINK becomes a happy place.

ピンクちゃんねるの住民でないとただの対岸の火事だからねぇ。
協力者を集いたいんだったら
各板の自治スレなどに現状のヤバさを伝えるのがいいんじゃない？
無責任で自分のことしか考えてない誰かさんのせいで
良くて無秩序状態、最悪閉鎖になりかねないという今の危急存亡の状況を知らしめれば
板をそしてピンクを守るために動いてくれる人は出てきてくれると思う。

>>680
そらまぁとっくに誰かやってたしね

>>677 Jim

What? Everyone is safe!?

No kidding!! What grounds do you have for saying such a thing?
The staff whom you chose already lost trust of a BBS-PINK user.
You look unconcerned.

Announcement to the volunteer:

See email.


>>679
He never have access to the personal information of the volunteers, and he cannot touch to set a cap.

Jim,
http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/blackeyedpeas/myhumps.html
When you don't make a parody.

>>680
Not dangerous. It has become even safer these last to days.
Only people are talking about dangerous because they want DRAMA.
I don't want drama.
Drama belongs on 2ch, and エロ belongs on bbspink.
My choice of leader was well thought out, and I am certain that LOVE
is good and kind and very very smart.