Thank you to the volunteers. I have been reading through 2ch deletion policies. They seem very cumbersome, and actually offensive to the reader if read translated in english, probably that is just my translation though. I am sure there is a reason for them to have such detail in them, please let me know the important points of them. I would like to make my own deletion policy, since there are different rules for a website that is owned by a US entity and not hosted in Japan.
>>659 I am so happy when someone can actually find love. I wish our lawmakers would stop making such a discussion over who sleeps with who, and who can marry who. I like lesbians I have many friends that are, and I also like watching lesbian porn.
Jim, could you please read here everyday, and answer if you can. you are a real manager of bbspink now.
and I asked the translation of 2ch guideline to a proffesional. so that is not the one I translated.
but yes, it is long and that is for volunteers. and that kind of long long one is needed if you want keep the situation which you have here in bbspink.
I don`t mind having a long deletion guide. I would like to edit the 2ch policy some and keep it mostly in tact. I have always been the owner and responsible for bbspink, this is actually not such a bad thing. It is really good that we can separate our rules from 2ch. 2ch rules are good for 2ch we have some different concerns on bbspink. Many of the ideas that I have wanted to implement to make things better have always been delayed or never completed due to discussion of how they would affect 2ch rules.
PINK channelers are very confused, and their deleting system is stopping now. It is not good time to change many things. Could you just focus to start the deleting system, first? After that, you can change other things, too, step by step.
● ◆79EROOYuCc I think it is a very good start to have you as my liaison. You can help me with translations and let me know the actual mood of the conversations. So I don`t spend years wondering why I own a fish company and not a server company.
So, ★ (black star mark) means the official volunteer mark.
You are now seeing 桃色吐息 ★ on the name field on my writing. This black star mark cannot be input directly, 2ch and BBSPINK's BBS system changes the black star into the white star (☆) forcely.
And each 'official name' is bounded each secret password, so, when I set this on all BBSPINK servers, you can use your 'cap' on BBSPINK.
But, be careful, you should not use it too much. So, it is only use for the 'official opinion'.
I will email to you how to use the 'cap' mark on BBSPINK system later.
And your cap handle name is "Apparently admin ★".
Of couse it sounds very strange, but Hiroyuki uses the Japanese version of this as "どうやら管理人 ★". So, of course, you can use the English version of it on BBSPINK, because you are the administrator of BBPINK.
>>678 Exactly, but management mark is Jim's one. All other's are not management mark, of course (including you and me).
And I will make two volunteer handle name for your official work for BBSPINK, one is for your personal official work and the other is Sakura Plus's official work.
I think the cap handle of Sakura Plus's official work should be shared Jim and you. So, I will email to you your personal cap handle, and I will email to Jim and you Sakura Plus's official cap handle.
>> 669 yes step by step. There is no hurry to change something that is working well. The deletion process itself should not change much. I think the point is who is responsible for deletions and what should be deleted. These are minor details to most users. >> 683 Please laugh at it all, I find it funny, and am happy at the same time to hear others laugh
bbspink is going to be separated from 2ch system. bbspink is still using 2ch system, but I guess we won't be able to anymore very soon. so we'll have to find the way to make things work though.
>>692 Yes of course, until we have discussed and people have brought up valid reasons to me for changing the current 2ch guideline, then we wil use that as our official guide. I am certain that Hiroyuki has a reason for it to read the way it does, and he is probably the best man I know. I will follow his guide and we will only edit it some in the future to fit in with the adult nature of our boards.
>>694 I like that. I will post it on my blog http://www.electricbuddha.org/ and believe me I know how important deletion is. I have terrible problem with spam on Electric buddha.
>>700 Izumi-san, Jim-san is clever and gentle, so please don't hesitate for communicating him.
To: all users, Of course, the above can be applied for all 2ch and BBSPINK users.
Jim-san, I will make "the gateway thread" for publishing your official opinion. So, you can write this thread by using your cap handle for publishing your thinking publicly.
It is too hard to find somebody who has responsible without money, but it is easy to find who is in charge for deletions. 2channel Guideline says deleters has no responsible, but Hiroyuki has all responsible. That is why he has many volunteers.
Currently, 2ch and BBSPINK's deleting board is the completely same (1 unit, 3 boards).
As long-time solution, for controlling deletion of 2ch and BBSPINK may separate. But now there are no troubles the current deletion system, so, we don't need hurry up for separating.
Hiroyuki wants to separate these boards for 2ch and BBSPINK certainly, but I estimates this makes very serious impacts for 2ch and BBSPINK's deletion system.
So, I think we must not hurry. This is very difficult and needs step-by-step works, and I thinks it is the work after making deletion policies for BBSPINK own.
It is fine with me, I have had a request to make a subdomain dear.bbspink.com for this purpose. Let me know when and if it is necessary. Probably we have a peach server we could put it on. It won`t be such a busy board I think. Important, but not so busy.
Oh, Hot Guy! My name is Delete technique, one of the deleter of channel 2. At that BBS(channel 2), my name is 削除technique ★. I have a very, very big cock(8 inches long!), and love gachimuchi guys. Why don't you join in my club, Onsoku-FinalRomance? I'm very welcome.
Please be careful. >>753's name field is "名無し編集部員". It means the anonymous coward at this bulletin board. So, I think its writing is not the real delete technique, He uses the trip string on his real writing.
So, this BBS is anonymous based. As you know, with cap and/or trip-nized writings are only trusted. All other writings may be forged the posting name.
So, my writings are always trip-nized and/or cap-nized.
◆MUMUMUhnYI is my trip string and 桃色吐息 ★ is my cap handle. So, all other Mumumu's writings may be forged.
He (or she) points my writing about quoting the above.
He wrote that my writing: > So, I think its writing is not the real delete technique,
should be: > So, I think its writing may not be the real delete technique,
Certainly, he may not use his PC temporary at that time, so, he doesn't input his own cap/trip password on his writing. As you know, it is very dangerous that inputting cap/trip password on other person's and/or Internet Cafe's PC. So, you must not do.
And I teach another very important issue about 2ch and BBSPINK.
All of 2ch and BBSPINK users have the same priority and hierarchy. Of course, including cap-holder, trip-holder, and including me.
You must not discriminate by Name field. Name field is only decoration for writing, the erotic person does not understand this. :-)
Above AA is called "Pugyaa". It is frequently used for "You deserve it".
But he is one of my online friends in 2ch/BBSPINK. (As you know, I have so many online friends in 2ch/BBSPINK, including you) I am sorry he could not attend the festival in yesterday midnight.
>>768 I think Jim-san uses normal Web browser, probably.
So, "ttp://" style (preventing referer leaking) is NOT suitable for this thread, at least. When using this, Jim-san must do painful "copy-and-paste" operation.
Then, I recommended normal "http://" style hyperlink for teaching and displaying the hyper link information to Jim-san, in this thread.
To: Jim-san,
Many 2ch/BBSPINK users use custom-made browsers for using thair boards. They are very useful and they read "*.dat" file directry instead of call read.cgi program. So, custom-made browsers help reducing the servers' load.
I also use one of custom-make browsers, it is called "OpenJane". And there are many kinds of custom-make browsers in Japan.
And it is very important point, their custom-made browsers support the function of 2ch pastlog reading service. As you aleady know, it is one of the core system of "The Oyster Project", called ●(Black circle).
So, we should say thank you for users and developers of each custom-made browsers. Otsu-desu. > all related people
>>776 is question. It translated from Japanese into English.
Please answer as much as possible.
Because BBSPINK is misappropriating the system of 2ch now, the authority of the person nominated can be used also with BBSPINK as it is as a volunteer in 2ch. Is there ideas such as "It is necessary to blot out the authority" and "I want to appoint BBSPINK as it is" about those people?
It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
>>778 Are you trying to motivate people? That is most famous speech of one of our dead presidents in the US. Abraham Lincoln. I have been to that battlefield, you can almost feel the ghosts. Over 50,000 people died there. Brothers fighting brothers. Maybe you are trying to make a point that we are fighting among ourselves for no apparent reason? Anyway please make your point more clearly.
>>782>>783 Just a response and not an announcement of principles. Remember the Principal is your pal. I think Mumumu has made a board for rants and raves and opinions. http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153507675/ Lets discuss things like the Gettysburgh address or other things that do not pertain to our Ero life and building a better bbspink there. our
> I think Mumumu has made a board for rants and raves and opinions. > http://pie.bbspink.com/test/read.cgi/erobbs/1153507675/ > Lets discuss things like the Gettysburgh address or other things that do not pertain to > our Ero life and building a better bbspink there.
>>813 (in English) I think it is a good idea. Because by this system Better Translater can correct our mistakes for better English, we who are weak in English can write our opinion without being afraid of mistakes of translation.
>>806 If you are certain that it does not belong in the thread, then delete it without any worry. If you are uncertain, then leave it. If it is really borderline, then ask me.
Hello, I am "Alice", deletion person 2channels. Because I do not understand it at all, I depend on a translation site, and English writes a sentence.
I have some questions. BBSPINK is a site of 21 years of age or older, but, as for Jim, is there a feeling to demand age proof to appoint a deletion person in BBSPINK? (there is custom that it is rude of to ask a woman age in Japan:) -) )
Do you demand that you prove it closely whether a deletion person applicant is 21 years of age or older?
Mr Jim By American law, How are illegal writing in and elimination of a link done by Japanese law? It might be the contents someone is asking,but I thought I'd like to know a response by all means
>>830 I think you also need to make up a team of volunteers for restricting the access, not only a team of deleters. Until our restricting system is made, they can use .htaccess to shut out the access.
all right, if Jim says yes about the following matters first,
◆79EROOYuCc is going to take care of the deleting team and ◆79EROOYuCc is going to delete some bad, wring posting on bbspink also. ◆79EROOYuCc is going to recruite someones who can take care of >>831
I'd like you to make a decision about following matters;
A)some special scripts with pass words, which are coming from 2ch system,
1/bbspink is going to share those scripts like it's always been. 2/bbspink is going to just change their names ( or their passwords ) 3/bbspink is going to make new ones
B)working power and authority which comes from 2ch,
1/all of them should be erased 2/all of them can be continued after assignment by Jim.
C)the age of volunteers,
1/shoule be confirmed strictly. 2/self-return system is enough.
We must not delete each message. If they make a communications. Our work is to defend communications. Even if it is negative communications, we should defend. So, we should delete SPAM.
At the same time, we should defend safety. Therefore, we need the concept of "Important deletion". So, we should delete private information and the attacked mail address.
It is very difficult to unite this two. But, we should make an effort.
◆sacrifyqG is a great voolunteer. Many people who observe voolunteers call him “SuperStar” Please, I ask you to give him a cap SuperStar★ Excuse for my rude request.
◆79EROOYuCc-san did not have consideration in Sakujo-pink-san. ◆79EROOYuCc-san made Sakujo-pink-san disposable.
It is opposite that ◆79EROOYuCc-san recruits deleters. I want to partition PINKBBS though he is incompetent. He has only the ability of English conversation.
Please ask MUMUMU-san and IZUMI-san for the nomination of the supervisor of deleters. As for deleters, IZUMI-san is detailed.
>>837 1. decide deletion rules. We have talked this, but I want to see more ideas first. 2. Nominate deleters from the volunteers. >>841 If Sakujo-pink-san has a problem with this. Let her contact me directly. I think 79-san is only volunteering because others have not, after the rules are made, lets get busy deleting trash. I really hope our old deleters will stay with us. After we have collected volunteers, then I will decide, and we can all discuss it.
>>844 Not perfect, but very very good. I would like to borrow from them and edit them slightly to pertain to US law and the fact that we have a very adult and erotic bbs.
>Jim ◆6P7QkQf8Ys-san I say honestly. I think it is impossible in you. Because you doesn't know Japanese written and past problem. But, it is your way, and if it is the best for this boards, I don't say "STOP!"...
These are the deletion volunteers that I see have posted requesting. We need more I think. If anyone has a problem with any of these people being deleters, Please post your VALID reasons on this board.
Thank you Izumi-san for your constructive posts and I am sorry I have not returned your email yet. 79-san can translate for me and let e know the tone of the conversations. I will take responsiblity for all deletions. Please only delete spam for now. As izumi points out >>835 Even negative communications should be defended and preserved.
Update on volunteers. ◆IRAIaaV18I ◆DQN/9/VVV. ◆uRW6KoTaRo ◆IZUMI162i6 ◆sacrifyqG ◆79EROOYuCc koro ◆8j1enTAicY ◆MOMOwomoIk ◆qQ8fvMdINQ ありす ◆Alice7XIII >>859 Hi Alice it is ok to be rude here. All veils are lifted. >>834 age should be confirmed. What is? 2/self-return system is enough.
If anyone knows reason they should not be volunteer. lets discuss it here. Not liking someones personality is not good reason.
Koro >>862 is not spam. It fits in with part of the conversation on this board. If someone posts a link to buy viagra, and that board has nothing to do with medicine, then that is probably spam. If someone posts same ascii art image over and over again. that is probably spam too. it kills the conversation if whole board is same image. Any other spam ideas?
>>864 ok now we should make a list: * Telephone numbers of private #3 style people should be deleted. * email address that is for spam or that is being attacked should be deleted. * urls that do not have anything to do with the conversation should be deleted. Please make additions to this list. When it is compiled, then lets subtract what is duplicate, or not necessary. Then we will compare to the 2ch deletion policy, and edit and post our own policy.
Jim san Thanks for your telling about new DVD of bodyshots. I wanna buy soon but I worry about safe of buying. I mean that can I buy them for only credit card? Reccently there are many troubles of inter net shopping. and does not have Japanese page.
By the way, how should we cope with crime warning and crime-smelling contributions? In 2ch, posters' IPs are made public.
cf. Silly People Who Did Crime Warning http://qb5.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/sec2ch/1045495883/ 1 :2ちゃんねる ★ :03/02/18 00:31 見つけたら規制議論板への報告、および警察等への通報をお願いします。 If you find them, please report to Argument BBS about the Regulation of Contributions(規制報告板) and alert to police.
>>860 Thank you for adding me as a volunteer, sir. I am very interested in the development of BBSPINK system including writing script, networking servers, and blocking spammers, not only deletion. I have some experience for those on my own sites. I would like to try and learn from BBSPINK, because it is a very big site, and I like here as one of the user.
I think "self-return system" means that someone tells about himself/herself without showing any identification. For example, you believe me when I say "I am over 21 years old." without showing ID, it is self-return system.
>>863 I have another idea about spam. Multiple same postings is spam, even if it is not on the same board. I would say more than three same posting is spam.
>>873 I think it is a good idea to open the IP address to the public when a user writes about doing a crime, like "I set a bomb at Shinjuku Station.", "I will kill (somebody) tonight."
>>866 If a user tells he/she is under 21 years old, all his/her posting should be deleted. Moreover, blocking his/her IP address is kindness, I guess.
>>876 Adult age in USA is 18 years old. I will allow any post from anyone over the age of 18. Bomb threats should be reported to the police. IP address must be done by a sys admin. Deleters could request that, but must be done by admin. IP addresses will not be released to the public for any post, that is really against the meaning of this site.
I leave by machine translation. The use under 21 years old is prohibited in BBSPINK now, but may recognize that I intend to change it for the use prohibition that 18 is most under it in the future?
誤字変換。。。orz >>878 I must be going by the machine translation. May I recognize that there is will being to change to the use prohibition of less than 18 years old in the future though the use of less than 21 years old is being prohibited in BBSPINK now?
I am going to write using another word about >>879 and >>880, since I have a same question with him. Currently, there is a caution not to enter under 21 years old on the top page of BBSPINK. Are you going to change this caution, Jim?
>>883 Oh, my goodness, you did it! LOL I am sure many are worry about it, because we want to stay under the 2ch links. Let's see others say some opinions.
This ID strings is derived from source IP address, serial number of mobile phone, or some other identities.
Anyway, you can guess whether writers are same or not by the ID string, so, you can determine "Jisaku-Jien" (making and playing by the same person) by the ID string.
And >>884 and >>885's IDs are same, ID:TSSyg7SN. So, I think these reses are written by the same person.
Hi, Jim-san. I'm sorry for delay of introduce myself. My name is TO-RU. I am Hiroyuki's friend.
I'll advise to you I impudent. If who runs for the volunteer, then you must not appoint easily. 2-channel did the method, and failed a few times in the past. You are manager of this board. Your opinion is almost absolute. I would like you to go carefully for you.
So lets add to the volunteer list those that have volunteered since the last round-up. Remember if anyone has a valid reason for these volunteers not to be accepted it must be discussed here. ◆IRAIaaV18I ◆DQN/9/VVV. ◆uRW6KoTaRo ◆IZUMI162i6 ◆sacrifyqG ◆79EROOYuCc koro ◆8j1enTAicY ◆MOMOwomoIk ◆MARY/2Kkkc. ありす ◆Alice7XIII If I have missed someone please post it. We still need more I think.
>>906 And I know that Toru-san writes almost of all the current 2ch deletion guidelines.
And this is very important matter, Toru-san is the inventor of "Apprently admin ★" handle name. So, Toru-san is yet another Hitoryuki and your mother. :-)
Lets update our rules of deletion with the suggestions that have come in so far. After we are done with this. lets compare to 2ch rules. in most cases we will follow those. They are pretty good, and very long. Making me very sleepy everytime I read the translation I have. So we will have both words, from that and deeds from the list we make here. What we actually do.
* Telephone numbers of private #3 style people should be deleted. * email address that is for spam or that is being attacked should be deleted. * urls that do not have anything to do with the conversation should be deleted. additions * Cross postings of same post to multiple boards. * Postings from someone that is under the age of 18.
>>906 Thank you for your input, I am sorry to hear of your retirement. If you can think of a better way, please let me know, unless the arthritis is to hard on your fingers for typing.....;) I have not seen any complaints on this board about any of the volunteers so far.
Jim-san, It is necessary to do setting, explanation and communications etc,,, in Japanese. I have the knowhow of the volunteer operation and management of deletion and details of script. May I have those work?
Jim-san, I'm sorry... My explanation did not enough a little. if you say "Someone is made a volunteer", but someone doesn't become a volunteer only by it. When someone may become a volunteer, having CAP and understanding rules are necessary. AND, regist to script and to explain the script absolutely are necessary and absolutely...
Toru-san Your help is appreciated. I am happy to hear all the advice you have. It is better to learn from mistakes, then make the same mistakes over again.
Jim-san, I wrote invitation of volunteer at address in koro-san's res. I need a mail address it is official of bbspink for this work. And,I report on all of work to you. Please tell me your mail address.
My mail address is "shinobu @ 2ch.net". (Spaces are SPAM avoiding)
Koro-san has concerned the issue of the next thread of itself. The current all 2ch and BBSPINK threads limit the number of res-es to 1000.
And the current res-number is 947, so, he has thought the lifetime of thread is nearly end. So, he wrote now it is time to make the next thread.
And Koro-san asked the next thread should be the same style of the current one, especially >>1. And I think it is one of the better selection.
Our original mission of this thread is talking frankly with Jim-san, so, I will accept any styles as the next thread of >>1, but which is useful and suitable for our original mission.
volunteer update ◆IRAIaaV18I ◆DQN/9/VVV. ◆uRW6KoTaRo ◆IZUMI162i6 ◆sacrifyqG ◆79EROOYuCc koro ◆8j1enTAicY ◆MOMOwomoIk ◆MARY/2Kkkc. ありす ◆Alice7XIII ◆3X1b8VAs/E Any complaints about the volunteers they must be made here, or on the next thread.
>>910 >* Cross postings of same post to multiple boards. これだと「複数の板にまたがって行われた投稿」は削除って事になるのかな? * Cross postings of same post to multiple boards/threads. にした方が、より適切ではないでしょうか?
Toru-san said that in >>968, he wants to configure deleting scripts and manage volunteers' accounts for deleting at BBSPINK servers until another volunteer person for the same role appeared.
Jim-san, it is very important decision. I am not sure whether Toru-san is suitable for this or not. So, all of the decision is your responsibility.
Toru-san retired 2ch volunteer and a chief of deleting persons for some reason at several years ago. I don't know the reason why certainly, so I don't write any comments about this.
But then, I think this trial is the second time for him. I appreciate the bravery, but I think that it became a big trauma for him. I am worried that he has been completely revived. If so, I don't stop him anymore.