萌える絵の描き方教えてくれ 頼むから

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1.描き始めたばかりなら、好きな作家や写真の模写なり、hitokaku( >>2あたり)なりで基本を学ぶべし。

2.とにかくよく“見て”描くこと。脳内で組み立てるのが破綻のもと。資料がなければググれ。
  
3.初心者の最難関は手及び指。目の前にあるんだからよく観察すべし。手に限らず身体の各部は鏡を見て。

4.直立時の腕の長さは股のあたりまで。
  脚の長さは、股上と股下が同じ程度になるように。
  肩から肘と肘から拳の長さはほぼ同じ、脚もまたしかり。
 (※赤ペン先生の見本 http://www.moee.org/file/data/up27298.jpg )

5.綺麗な線を描きたいなら、『Wacom社製のペンタブレット』に下記の『SAI』がオススメ。

  ペンタブは、入門用なら『FAVO』、お金に余裕があれば『intuos』。
  サイズはA5で約8割が満足。机上スペースがないならA6。あるならA4。
  所詮道具なので使って画力が上がるわけではない。買ったはいいが使わなくなる人も少なくない。
  アナログ派なら安いスキャナを買うという手もある。が、購入相談はループの元なので控えれ。

  『SAI』は現在テスト版につき事実上フリーソフト。ただし試用期間が切れるごとに再ダウンロードが必要。
  ( >>2あたりに無料ツールのテンプレあり)

■スレ専用うpろだ■
  http://www.moee.org/file/index.html      ( 新型:サムネイル式 )
  http://www.7-iro.org/file/index.html        ( 予備:サムネイル式 )
  http://b.ihot.jp/bbs/?moee            ( 携 帯 用 )
  http://www.moee.org/upload/upload.html   ( 旧型 ※利用停止 )

  (^w^)はマスコットなので優しく見守りましょう。 ※餌はあげないで下さい。
2以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:13:43.83 ID:tQsRowIB0
■有志が作成したこのスレのまとめ ( 泥酔先生講座とか ) 
http://moee.org 

■萌える絵の描き方を教えてくれ in外部板  ( 避難所のようなもの ) 
http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/music/14451/ 

■2ch SNS 萌える絵の描き方を教えてくれ ( mixiみたいなもの ) 
http://2ch.pne.jp/page.php?p=c_home&target_c_commu_id=1556 
SNSに招待されたい人は捨てアド晒してジっと待つ 

■hitokaku ( 人物デッサンの基本とか役に立つこと色々 ) 
ttp://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~zm5s-nkmr/ 

荒らし、煽りにはスルーで対応。 

■フリーのお絵描きソフト 
・SAI 
ttp://www.systemax.jp/sai/ 
・Pixia 
ttp://homepage2.nifty.com/~maru_tacmi/ 
・PictBear 
ttp://sleipnir.pos.to/software/pictbear/ 
・GIMP 
ttp://gimp2.info/ 

■デッサン人形として安くて使えるミクロマン素体マテリアルフォースは 
トイザらスhttp://www.toysrus.co.jp/限定商品  
500円以下なので買わない手はなし 男女で2体あってもよい 
3以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:14:13.74 ID:aIQ6ASDu0
>>1
乙です
4以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:14:14.14 ID:y3zYbVSc0
5898:2006/05/14(日) 01:15:37.47 ID:GCxnvQZ+0
乙です。こっちが本スレですか?
6以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:16:43.10 ID:mKBqH0nD0
スレ名微妙に変わっちまったすまないorzペン折って来る
7以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:16:44.74 ID:usInzmdj0
これだからVIPはやめられないwwwwwwww
8以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:19:28.65 ID:d7xEcgKJ0
>>1乙です
なに最後のwww
9898:2006/05/14(日) 01:21:24.19 ID:GCxnvQZ+0
なんか前スレが変な終わり方したのでもう一回Upします。
評価&赤お願いします<(_ _)>

(着)http://www.moee.org/file/data/5.png
(裸)http://www.moee.org/file/data/5hadaka.png
10以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:24:35.26 ID:LEavlj8Y0
あんなん初めて見たwwww

>>1
11以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:25:36.69 ID:dx1cwppB0
ちょwwwwすげEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
http://maosblog.blog64.fc2.com/
↑で友達に教えてもらったとか言ってるサイト見れみれww
メアドいれないと中見れないけど捨てアドでもおkだったwwヤフメでおkww
12931:2006/05/14(日) 01:26:48.40 ID:BvYouLo80
1乙です

前スレ942,948 指南ありがとうです(お察しの通り 両足、右でしたわな)
ビックフット脱出がんばります
13以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:30:25.94 ID:LfhXn3y+0
1乙
milk襲撃うぜぇwwwww俺のミルクのますぞぉゴラァァ(゚д゚#)

前スレ>>943
こんな感じかと
http://www.vipper.net/vip40702.png
14前スレ880:2006/05/14(日) 01:31:34.07 ID:tQsRowIB0
前スレで指摘くれた方ありがとう

前スレ887,893
描き直してたら服とスカートが
上手くしわが描けない・・・orz
勉強してきます

前スレ894
魅力的な点がない絵なのかも・・・orz


15以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:33:39.91 ID:7/V0YjdC0
>>前スレ931
うはwwwテラモエスwwwww 顔が
手足イビツだぜ。もっと観察しよう!

ちょっと向き変えて描いてみた。どうぞ
http://www.moee.org/file/data/aka514.jpg

>>1
16以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:34:17.26 ID:A/Ms0Vbx0
黒豆だよー
17898:2006/05/14(日) 01:36:25.12 ID:GCxnvQZ+0
>>13さん 赤ありがとうございます;
左腕はそういう風にして描けばよかったのですね〜
まだまだ立体で捉える能力が足らない;
とりあえずこれからも頑張ります<(_ _)>
18以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:40:41.71 ID:LfhXn3y+0
>>17
とりあえずアタリを取って描く事は感心、感心
アタリ取る時はイロイロ補助線引くと楽だから。hitokakuとかに乗ってるおもう
19以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:41:52.72 ID:VSkd9V/t0
>9
やっぱり裸からしてアレだな
初心者っぽいから難しいことはとりあえずおあずけにしても
1)頭の形がヘン
     後頭部がない
2)腕と脚の統一感がない
     脚には多少筋肉っぽい凹凸があるのに腕は単なる棒
3)首のつきかたがヘン
     首は胴体の後ろのほうについてる(背骨がつながってるから)
4)股関節まわりがおかしい
     というか、尻はどこにあるの?
    後ろからみても輪郭はおなじはずだから、輪郭そのままで後ろ姿にしてみ? 尻ができるように思わないよ俺は

他にも各部のパーツ形状とか怪しいとこいろいろある。というより
脳内にまだ美少女がいないのよ。だからなにか見て描いたらいいんじゃね?
20以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:43:16.51 ID:/pW2X5al0
やっぱ、アタリって重要なんだねぇ・・・。
誰だ、要らないなんて言ってたのは
21898:2006/05/14(日) 01:55:52.47 ID:GCxnvQZ+0
>>19 詳細な評価ありがとうございます。
頭の形が変なのはあんまり意識してなかったからです。
胴と足の比率の問題だったので・・すいません;

首とお尻は>>13さんのように描けばよいのですか?
今気づいたのですが右肩から始まる胴のラインが、ずれてましたね。。
だからお尻もはっきりと描けなかったような気がします。


22以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:56:35.81 ID:HMHNfE800
イメージで描くためにまずアタリなしで大雑把に描くだろ
んでアタリをとって描きなおす。
23以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 01:59:15.90 ID:m9s/QCLg0
活発な女の子をイメージして短髪にしてみたが
どうみても男の子です。
ほんとうにありがとうございました

難しいな
24以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:00:46.86 ID:9E7kxm2d0
>>23
男の子好きって人種も居るんだぜ?
萌えればおk
25以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:01:30.55 ID:JmtfmA1V0
>>23
何故男の子になっちゃったか判定のためうp
26以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:03:32.56 ID:A2WboGHm0
>20
いらないとは誰もいってなかったと思うぞ( ;^ω^)
ワロが言ってたのはアタリってのは下絵の準備、絵の配置の見当なんだから
決まったやり方なんてものはないし人それぞれで習うものでもないってハナシだろ、
それに関しちゃその通りだ。
27以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:04:35.76 ID:usInzmdj0
>>20
それは人の身体がどうなってるか知ってる上での話。
構造知らないのにアタリつけれるわけねーだろって事だろうね
まとめサイトとか本とか見て基礎 ”知識” 位は知っておいたほうがいいよ
基礎はくまで基礎って思う人もいるけど、
応用っつーのは基礎がある上で成り立つものだから。
28以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:05:05.14 ID:h7lZa2Ut0
アタリなんていらねーよ







ごめん言ってみたかった
29以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:06:16.27 ID:JmtfmA1V0
基礎工事もなってないとこにまともな建物は建たないよな
30以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:06:28.78 ID:Ty1c26uY0
前スレをじっくり読んでリロードしたら終わってたw
何があったんだヲイ
31以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:07:23.60 ID:mKBqH0nD0
色々あったんだ
32以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:08:55.83 ID:VSkd9V/t0
>21
>13氏のが完璧というわけでもないけどだいたいあの感じ。
とりあえず各部の形や比率ずいぶんまだおかしいから
写真とか自分の体を鏡に映してみるとかして参考にしながら描くと
いいと思う。
33以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:11:05.14 ID:a/iZEc510
このスレhttp://anime.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/eva/1147259983/l50に

>>888
VIPPERなめるとヒドイ目にあうお(#^ω^)

と書き込んでくれたら真紅あげます
VIPPERがなめられています
今こそVIPPERの団結力を見せつける時です
暇つぶしにいかが?
34以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:11:29.12 ID:A2WboGHm0
>21
>13のように描けばいいじゃなくてな、>13だって、いやいやどんな赤だって
ただの元絵より比較的マシな一例なんだよ。たまにマシでも何でもなくなるけど
それは別の話として、あくまでお前の絵なんだからお前の好きなように描くんだよ。
何がおかしかったか再確認して自分なりに自分の線を作るの。
35以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:14:07.39 ID:BvYouLo80
>>15
赤ありがとです 
すげええ・・・隣の子は座って見えるのに、うちの子はヒゲダンスしてるように見えてきた
足腰がきちんと描けるように じっくり観察します
視点の大切さも感じました

アタリをとるのに十数分も悩んでしまう人 orz
アタリをとる→下書き→線をまとめる→反転してみる→修正→線をまとめる→反転してみる→修正→線を(ry

まだ自分が基礎できてねーって事なんだろうなぁ ま、自分のスピードでやるべさ
36以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:16:03.20 ID:JmtfmA1V0
焦らず確実に何度も繰り返すうちに身につくもんじゃない?
急いで適当にやるよりは確認しながらやった方が吸収はよさそう

ヒゲダンスワロスwww
37以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:18:52.17 ID:LfhXn3y+0

 まだあわてるような時間じゃない
38以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:19:04.54 ID:A2WboGHm0
>35
アタリつけるのに10何分も悩むってのは描く絵のイメージができてないだけなんじゃないの?
配置の見当だからね。
39以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:24:11.89 ID:BvYouLo80
>>38
んだね 
女の子描きたいなぁ〜 座ってるのがいいな〜って思ったら もうペン握ってるから
きっちりイメージできてないのにアタリ取り始めてるんだな
気が短い人間だと そーならん?
40以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:26:59.55 ID:A2WboGHm0
>39
おれもっと気が短いから単純なポーズならアタリも何にもなくガガガっと
描いちゃうから多分何の参考にもならないと思うごめん( ;^ω^)
41以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:27:55.18 ID:VSkd9V/t0
>40
俺発見
42以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:33:04.16 ID:LfhXn3y+0
とりあえず俺がアタリ描いてほしいのは全体的に絵を見て欲しいんだよ
大抵の初心者って顔から描くんで顔に意識集中しちゃって気付けよってぐらい
手やら足や短いのが多いんだ
43以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:33:30.60 ID:BvYouLo80
単純なポーズすらガガガっと描けないから時間がかかるんだがなw
だが悩んでいる時間もなぜか心地いいと感じるから 
たぶん絵を描くのが好きなんだわ
それじゃ描いてくるお また色々教えてくださいな
44以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:34:35.11 ID:P5b9TN+70
中学のときにかなり絵描いてたけど、顔以外は練習しない糞絵描きだったw
まとめ見てまた1から練習しなおそうかな
45以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:36:04.99 ID:A/Ms0Vbx0
顔を描く→顔に合う体を描く→体に合う手足を描く
=全体で見るとバランスがめちゃくちゃ
まず全体像をイメージしてから描き始めないとダメだね
46以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:43:06.84 ID:m9s/QCLg0
>>24
俺が男の子には萌えないから駄目なんだ

>>25
まだ途中なんだ
眠くなってきたがうpれるように頑張ってみる
いくら遅くなろうとも、この絵は描けたらうpる
47以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:44:37.44 ID:MBvsBABd0
おお、けっこういい感じでやってるじゃん
48以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:47:11.60 ID:MBvsBABd0
やっぱ文章じゃ伝わらん(荒らしとかわらん)ものもあるから赤つきだとええな〜っていっつも想う
なんつか、理論じゃね〜んだよな
49以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 02:51:02.57 ID:VSkd9V/t0
荒らしとかわらんようなのは俺は見かけないけどな
50以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:02:33.22 ID:R8HHp4IL0
「萌え」。
その思いだけが男たちを支えていた。
たとえ、どんな手を使っても。
たとえ、何を犠牲にしたとしても。
それぞれの「萌え」を背負い、男たちは孤独な戦いをつずける。
次回「萌えられぬ理由(ワケ)」
51以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:09:39.73 ID:HMHNfE800
うはw
池上茜って下手糞じゃんw
よくあんな絵でプロを・・・
52以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:09:50.33 ID:LfhXn3y+0
「萌え」のメカニズム、精神に与える影響を論文にして発表したらノーベル賞いくんじゃね?
っと妄想
53以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:20:37.71 ID:PErCy8nf0
おっちゃん久々にうpしたよ!赤・指摘カマンベール、でございます。
芯を2Bにしたら描きやすいのなんのって。太ももが太くなりすぎたかなと思っている。
http://www.moee.org/file/data/junk_0022_1.jpg
54以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:20:48.54 ID:A2WboGHm0
萌えを感じる経緯自体は文芸批評論の受容理論あたりと
大脳生理学の基本的な部分でひととおり説明ついちゃうと思うけど
萌えが与える精神的影響なんてのは調査にメチャメチャ時間かかりそうだな( ;^ω^)
55以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:22:30.15 ID:d7xEcgKJ0
>>52
大学の論文でそんなことかいてる奴いそうだな
まぁ俺高卒だけど
56以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:23:15.51 ID:IAtTX4LE0
動物の赤ちゃんはなぜカワイイかとかちゃんと研究されてるから
萌えも認知論とか記号論の一分野にはなるんじゃね?
57以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:24:15.26 ID:VSkd9V/t0
>53
アゴの線まちがってないか?
あるいは頭部の形状を勘違い。

あと、足が接地してない&小さい
58以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:30:38.83 ID:A2WboGHm0
>53
頭蓋に髪が上手く乗っかってない
顔と輪郭の兼ね合いが今イチよろしくない
耳高すぎ、アゴから首の繋がりが悪い
オッパイちっちゃいのに垂れてるのがかわいそうです><
59以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:33:54.73 ID:MBvsBABd0
>>53
上半身腰バッチリ
まずいのあるとしたら向こうの足
たぶん正確に書くのを重視して、思い切りが薄れた
まあ、かさなってくると書きづらくなるから誰もがぶつかるんだけどね
っていうか、おれもいつもそこらで悩む
60以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:39:58.19 ID:QaO39RTD0
ところで、つけペンの技術って必要なんか?
61以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:44:04.86 ID:LfhXn3y+0
ん〜Gペンって柔らかいからちょっと力入れただけでドバッ!
太いトコと細いトコの使い分けが難しい
62以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:44:19.49 ID:HMHNfE800
ペン入れはデジタルよりつけペンだなぁおいらは
63以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:44:53.42 ID:VSkd9V/t0
なにペンでも使うなら技術必要だし使わないんならいらない
64以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:45:05.75 ID:HMHNfE800
ドバってw
インクつけすぎなんでしょw
65以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:51:54.52 ID:LfhXn3y+0
力加減というか付ける量もわからなかったら下書き描いてさあ清書って時に(;゚д゚)!!・・・・
それ以来ずっとデジタルです
66以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:54:38.86 ID:d7xEcgKJ0
Gペンって慣れないうちは抑揚が上手くできないわ歪むわ大変だけど
慣れるとあの味は他に出せないよね
パソコンに取り込んで調整するならシャーペンそのままでもいいし
まあ求める線しだいって事か

>>65
おまww別紙で練習してからやれwwww
67以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 03:55:26.67 ID:aIQ6ASDu0
>>53
赤さしてもらいました なんかうpろだに2枚投稿されてもたorz
http://www.moee.org/file/data/060513.jpg

頭と腰周りをば。 乳はあえてスルーで
なんか垂れ具合に執念を感じたw
股下がもう少し上のほうがバランスよいんじゃまいかとオモタ次第
68以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 04:00:17.23 ID:IAtTX4LE0
>>67
センセイ、
かなりのアオリ構図なので鎖骨の位置と
俯瞰に見える足をなおしてやってくんなませぃ
漏れは寝るが
69以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 04:03:08.47 ID:PErCy8nf0
>57
kwsk 足のサイズはともかく接地とかわからなくなってきた。

>58
髪はボリューム分のつもりで描きましたが… 以前沿わして描いたら酷いことになったので。
顔と輪郭kwsk 耳は確かに高かったかも知れません。あわせたつもりではありましたが…。煽りを想定していたからかな。
おっぱいはいつもわかりません>< 助けてください><

>59
まあここにうpするときっていうのは大体それ重視で描いたものですんで…。

>67
赤どうもありがとうございます。実は股下がもっと下を想定して描いていたのは秘密だ。
こういう乳が好みっていうわけではありませんが…ただ腕を組む以上、大きいほうがいいのかと思って合わせました。
まあ結果失敗になってしまったわけですが。>68の言うとおり煽りのつもりだったんです><


描けば描くほど混乱する そんな夜更け
70以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 04:09:56.40 ID:LfhXn3y+0
人すくねぇな・・・と思ったらもう四時かよw
何やってんだ俺orz

久々にエロイの描いたんで晒して寝るお
http://www.7-iro.org/file/data/esaduke.PNG
みんなモヤスミ(´・ω・`) ノシ
71以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 04:13:17.76 ID:MBvsBABd0
>>69
なんとなく、女の子の大胆さを表現したく見えるから、それ重視でもいいかも
オレはね、足はもっと(向こうの足ね)後ろに引いたほうがそういうコに近くなると想った
ただし、うしろにどう引けばいいのか、オレも重ねて書いてたけどうまくかけんかった
あと、足先は魚眼っぽくしたかったのかもしれないな
まあ、どう進んで行くかは君しだいだから、とやかくは言わん
72以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 04:27:40.82 ID:aIQ6ASDu0
>>68
腰あたりにアイレベルがあって、↑アオリ↓フカンな絵かと思ってたら違うのか…
>鎖骨、足
すまん、そのあたりの修正は俺には無理だw

>>69
「組んだ腕を乳下にくっつける」を重視するならよほど乳がでかくない限り
肩を上げないと多分ムリポ
普通に腕下ろして肘を直角に曲げるとたぶんヘソあたりにくるはず
乳と胴の設置面を再確認してみてくらはい
73以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 04:41:11.87 ID:PErCy8nf0
>71
うーん、なんでも描けるようになるのが目標なんですけどね。指摘ありがとうございました。

>72
確かにそうかも知れません… おっぱいのことに関して研究不足なのが問題だと思います。
奥が深いね おっぱいは。

俺ももう寝ようと思う。トーンが落ちてしまったので寝て起きたらまた描いてうpするよ。
その時も同じような結果になるかも知れないけれど、その時はよろしくお願いしたい。
74以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 04:49:18.08 ID:aIQ6ASDu0
>>73
がばれ〜 おやすみぃ
あと、3Bもなかなかいいぞと最後に言っておこう。芯折れやすいケドナー

なかなか思い通りの尻が描けない俺はまだ寝れない
75以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 05:13:16.78 ID:aIQ6ASDu0
76以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 05:19:11.81 ID:tfG/i+vd0
77以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 05:30:45.22 ID:MBvsBABd0
いま、「フフフフ」とねるねるねるね
みたいなヤツが居たような気がしました
78以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 05:46:28.45 ID:6ASgELrM0
>70
「えづけ」って読むんだよ。
79以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 05:54:24.74 ID:Y5Vx+s1N0
えさデュークだよ
80以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 06:15:14.78 ID:X2G2fw1u0
あー

地球滅びねーかなぁー
81以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 06:25:18.78 ID:lEirnih40
オナニーしたくなっちゃいました!どうしておじちゃんたちは、ぼくをそういう誘惑にて
釣るのですか!ああ!
82以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 06:47:23.52 ID:Ve6kf+Bj0
83以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 07:07:37.94 ID:tfG/i+vd0
84以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 07:18:53.07 ID:VSkd9V/t0
85以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 07:25:08.12 ID:tfG/i+vd0
86以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 07:25:40.58 ID:xbvKZnXM0
87以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 07:26:20.82 ID:tfG/i+vd0
88以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 07:57:49.62 ID:LuWlg4kF0
89以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 08:30:05.37 ID:mYI57znT0
90以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 08:31:09.39 ID:C8j5nRq20
http://www.7-iro.org/file/data/natu.JPG

浴衣を始めて書いてみたのですが
どうでしょうか・・・・・・・
コメントをお願いいたしますm(_ _)m
91以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 08:37:14.72 ID:VSkd9V/t0
>90
頭がすごいことになってる

ゆかたも脳内っぽいので資料見て
92以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 08:39:30.18 ID:o4DNDAt+O
>>90
顔の輪郭とかもう少し考えてくれ

あとは資料をみて浴衣を描きたまえ
93以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 08:41:30.81 ID:xpT7twWN0
プリキュアはいい・・・・心が洗われる・・
94以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 08:42:56.77 ID:lEirnih40
>>90
かわいいんじゃないかな
おれは今のかわいさがすき
95以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 08:45:00.26 ID:dx1cwppB0
ちょwwwwすげEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
http://maosblog.blog64.fc2.com/
↑で友達に教えてもらったとか言ってるサイト見れみれww
メアドいれないと中見れないけど捨てアドでもおkだったwwヤフメでおkww
96以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 09:24:59.26 ID:PMxq2gbv0
今のプリキュアって髪すごくたくさんあるよね。
97以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 09:50:10.67 ID:0hbWZKCN0
俺にパースとデッサンの意味を教えてくれないか?
98以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 09:58:27.93 ID:ikQ4dNZV0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/pract2102.JPG
指摘、意見、赤おながいします

純粋な気持ちなので変に受け取らないで欲しいんだけど、
漏れも前スレ>898の絵のような可愛い絵が描きたい
ひたすらに破綻のない絵を描いて満足してたんだが、
>898の絵を見た途端、自分の絵がどんなにつまらない絵かを思い知らさせられた
もっと可愛い絵が描けるようになる良い練習法や描き方や意識する点はないすか?
99以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:09:06.44 ID:lEirnih40
>>98
マサニ!おれも等身・角度等では、自信あっけど、
かわいさでは完全に負けてる
100以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:11:39.44 ID:403VzBd90
つまり貴方方はいよいよネクストステージに進もうとしているのですね。
101以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:13:33.18 ID:oSs7Qaqi0
前スレ898ってどんなの?
102898:2006/05/14(日) 10:16:31.32 ID:PMxq2gbv0
裸修正しました。・・・・どうでしょうか?

http://www.moee.org/file/data/5hadaka_kai.png
103以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:17:49.80 ID:ikQ4dNZV0
あ、いや、漏るは自信があるわけじゃない(´・ω・`)
あくまで「自分が見て」破綻のない絵でしかなくて、まだまだ意識や理解が足りてない点が多いと思う
今までは身体を描いて練習してたけど、今の練習法だけではよろしくないと思った
でも、何をしたらいいのかわからんくて困ってる

>101
>9の(着)のゴスロリ娘
104898:2006/05/14(日) 10:18:05.18 ID:PMxq2gbv0
>>101 898って僕のことかな?それだったら>>9にあります。
勘違いだったらゴメン
105以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:21:56.99 ID:pXPHjDZV0
可愛さの練習も要は同じことなんじゃないのかなあ
なぜ可愛いのか良く見る
106以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:24:49.39 ID:HMHNfE800
ぬいぐるみ集めてみるとか・・・
107以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:34:02.81 ID:ikQ4dNZV0
>102
当方練習生につき、よく自分でも吟味してくれ
左の二の腕がまだ少し長いかな
膝の位置がカオスってるね
肩周りがまだ怪しいかな、肩と鎖骨と僧帽筋の意識ができてなさそう

修正された点は良くなってると思う

やりずれえwww
108以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:37:37.50 ID:403VzBd90
テメエの心の内にあるリリカルな部分を放出しろ。
109898:2006/05/14(日) 10:39:51.63 ID:PMxq2gbv0
ポーズ(シチュエーション)を変えてみたらどうでしょう?
例えば、無理やりバニーの格好させられて困ってる様子とか。。。
僕の絵が萌える絵なのか自分では全然分かりませんが;
110以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:42:23.93 ID:zMATqdXq0
>>102
左腕、曲げた肘を脇にぴったりつけてるように見えるけど
自分でやってみると、この角度にはできない
手が少し前に出る
あと右足と左足の大きさが違う
111898:2006/05/14(日) 10:46:07.52 ID:PMxq2gbv0
>>107さん 評価ありがとうございます。
ひざの位置が確かにずれてますね。。直しときます。
以前からずっと練習してるんですが、鎖骨がうまく描けません;
僧帽筋はググらないと分からない・・・重症ですorz
二の腕の肘はどこの辺りまできますか?自分だと骨盤の出っ張ってるちょい上ですが。。
112以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 10:49:15.13 ID:xpT7twWN0
>>102
筋肉の意識よりも
骨だろ 骨
鎖骨のラインは肩関節と胸骨を結ぶ骨
113898:2006/05/14(日) 10:54:27.84 ID:PMxq2gbv0
>>110さん 評価ありがとうございます。
・・・・うーん・・・できませんねw できる腕の角度に直します。
右足はつま先、左足はかかとがそれぞれ接地してるのですが、
どっちの足が長過ぎとか短過ぎとかありますか?。。
手が少し前に出るとは、具体的にどういうことでしょうか?
114以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 11:07:21.57 ID:ikQ4dNZV0
レスdクス
>105
何が自分を萌えさせているのか理解できるまで絵を見続けてみます
>106
切実な現実、彼には金がなかった
>108
話を聞いてって(´A`)ヴァー?
>109
色んなシチュで描いているつもりですが・・・
もちっとシチュに関する引き出しを増やしてみます
漏れには確実に萌える絵だった

左の二の腕は>110見たら、漏れのポーズ解釈の勘違いだったみたい
ゴメンナサイ(´・ω・`)
115以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 11:14:59.89 ID:0hbWZKCN0
パースってなんなんだぜ?
116以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 11:15:40.03 ID:YzvzoN+30
ぐぐれよ
117以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 11:17:04.66 ID:0hbWZKCN0
ググっても出てこないんだぜ
辞書で調べたやつのままならそれでいいんだが
118以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 11:30:16.61 ID:dmusQ6FV0
>>98
ぱっと見た最初の印象ですけど、むちむちしてるなぁと。
悪いんじゃなくて自分の好みになるかと。
この頭身に対して、全体的にむちむちしてると感じたんですね。
(しいて言えば、この肉付きでは足首が細い?)
でもバランスは取れてるんじゃないかなーと思います。かわえぇです。

前スレ>898みたいのが望み、と言うのは、もっと肉付きを細めにすると
近づくかもしれないなと、ちと思ってみたり(顔はそのままでいいかも)

もう一つ自分の好みで言えば右足を、斜め前に出す感じか、
(表情と相違しますが)内股気味にするとかするのはどうですかね?
足元がどっしりした感じなので、おにゃのこの雰囲気が薄れてる気がします。
119以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 11:34:37.81 ID:IAtTX4LE0
>>98
>>118
も言ってるように足が平行なのが萌えない
http://drawing.sblo.jp/article/507615.html
にちょっとあるように床時計とか練習してみるといいかも
120以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 11:59:24.12 ID:LfhXn3y+0
今起きホス
121以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:05:38.31 ID:ikQ4dNZV0
レス=サンクストンクス兄弟

個人的にはムチムチしてるつもりは全くない上に、
細い足首はいつも指摘されてます(´・ω・`)
肉付きについても、もちっとバリエーションを持たせれるようにしてみます

ポーズ研究や床時計もやってみます
122以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:07:00.20 ID:xpT7twWN0
ガリガリでツンデレだったらもう俺のストライク
123以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:11:47.03 ID:+tMPduEE0
>>117
意味を調べたい時、調べる内容に"意味"を追加してググると出てくる事があるよ。
今ちょっとやったけど、結構しぼれたかも。あとはお好きなのを選んで…。
(ちなみに、Wikipediaに項目があった…)
124以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:18:46.66 ID:porORl9z0
ググり方から教わるのってちょっと情けないね
125以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:19:08.98 ID:G1eNfRl10
>>123
俺もさっきWikiで調べたばかりよ
126以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:24:15.02 ID:xpT7twWN0
クオリティが低すぎる
127以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:25:37.58 ID:RhXSUwHP0
腰とか足とか
http://www.moee.org/file/data/nekomimi_3.jpg
指摘・赤お願いします
128以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:26:05.60 ID:kw4crXbI0
37インチのディスプレイキタコレ






でかすぎてつかいづれええええええええええええorz
129以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:28:41.32 ID:d1Q3ZgYD0
「パース」「デッサン」「アタリ」このへんの言葉を
やたら使う奴は、何もわかってない可能性が高いから
アドバイス聞く時は注意するように

ちなみに、プロでも正確なパースなんて取ってないし
パースってのは「それっぽく見せるワザ」のひとつでしかない
130以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:29:31.43 ID:NoalJq/z0
おい!アタリがいまだにわからん
131以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:30:02.01 ID:pXPHjDZV0
>>129
つまり、それっぽくすら見えねえよって事じゃないのか?
132以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:30:40.76 ID:+tMPduEE0
いや単語でも、一応調べたい事でてくるじゃん。
自分は"意味"を追するけど、もしかしたら違う言葉の方がいいかもしれん。
一例って事ですわ。

>121
ちょっと思ったけど、むちむち=二次成長期(中学〜高校)で、
細めだとそれより年齢が下がる、と考えたほうがいいかもよ?
単に"細く"だと混乱するかも(細めの中高生もいるけどね)
133以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:33:27.77 ID:d1Q3ZgYD0
>>130
下書き前の下書き、と思えばいいよ
つまり、人体描けてないやつに「アタリとれ」って言っても
狂った人体のアタリができるだけ

>>131
何故見えないのか、ってとこをちゃんと説明しなきゃ意味無いと思うんだよな
ただパース、て言うだけじゃ、本当に間違ってるのかどうか、怪しい
完全にパースを正しく理解できてるって人も、そう居ないだろうしね
134以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:36:14.98 ID:YzvzoN+30
>>127
顔がそんなに曲がらないかも・・・
>>128
自分がディスプレイから離れるor遠ざける
135以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:38:12.35 ID:kw4crXbI0
>>134
マジででかすぎだコレ。
俺には17インチの愛用ディスプレイが一番だぜ
136以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:38:35.18 ID:LfhXn3y+0
別に人体構造理解してなくてもアタリは取って欲しい
何回も言うけど初心者はアタリを取って絵を全体で見ることを覚えて欲しい
137以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:41:23.78 ID:YzvzoN+30
>>135
というか、買う前に気づいとけw
138以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:41:28.05 ID:d1Q3ZgYD0
はっきり言って、アタリ取れってアドバイスはズレてる
パーツを継ぎ足しで描くな、とかそういうのはいいけど、アタリ取れだけじゃ伝わらない
139以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:42:25.44 ID:JHDj7YCO0
>>127
左頬がふくらんでて虫歯みたい
左手の人差し指とか中指の間の切れ込みが深すぎ
骨盤が小さいかもしくは背骨から外れてる

あと左足はもうちょい下から見てるように描いた方が
地面に立ってるっぽく見えそう
140以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:42:58.23 ID:kw4crXbI0
>>137
買ってないから無問題!
もらいものだから無問題!




…さて、これどうやって処分しよう。誰かにやろうかな…
141以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:48:23.49 ID:lEirnih40
>>108
もらった
142以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:49:46.40 ID:lEirnih40
be〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜
143以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:50:08.94 ID:LfhXn3y+0
>>138
>パーツを継ぎ足しで描くな
これだと受け側が解決方法わからないじゃないかな
どうすればいい?ってなったら結局下書き前の下書きって言ってるアタリとって
全体的に見るしかないとと思うよ
さすがに「アタリ取れ」だけじゃ受け側にもわからないだろうからそのへんの
説明も必要だろうけど
144以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:54:46.18 ID:lEirnih40
わかった、ヌイグルミみてみる電球の灯るおもちゃ屋にて
145以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:56:35.57 ID:xpT7twWN0
描けば描くほど
絵柄が変わっていくんだが

いい事・・?

しかし漫画喫茶で一日過ごすのも楽じゃないな 腹ガボガボ
146以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:57:09.16 ID:z/nKcn/S0
絵柄が変わる?
統一する気がないの間違いだろ
147以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:58:11.60 ID:xpT7twWN0
顔とか変わっていかね?
頭身は描きたいカタチがあるからたいして変わらんけど
148以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:58:45.42 ID:SXK7Nhew0
自分の好きな絵柄が固まってないだけじゃね?
149以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 12:58:57.16 ID:d1Q3ZgYD0
>>143
いや、アタリを取るってのは、決まった方法じゃないから、意味無いぞ
それなら「まず全体像を決めて描け」って言えばいい
150以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:00:22.23 ID:RhXSUwHP0
俺は逆にみんな同じ顔になって困ってるんだが
151以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:01:03.13 ID:YzvzoN+30
とりあえずうp
152以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:03:01.85 ID:porORl9z0
自分で結構顔かわってるなって思っても、他人からだと同じ人の描いた顔に見えたりする
見せたり見てもらったりって機会をふやしていけば気付くとおもうけど
153以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:04:19.53 ID:LfhXn3y+0
>>149
ん〜確かにそうかも・・・
とりあえず顔は上手いんだけど全体で見たら比率がorzって人にはどうアドバイスしていいか
わからないから「とりあえずアタリ取って描こう」って言ってたよ
今度からは「まず全体像を決めて描け」言ってみるお
アドバイスも言葉選びが難しいぽ(´�ω�`)
154以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:11:27.66 ID:z/nKcn/S0
結局>>45が結論か
155以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:17:07.63 ID:NoalJq/z0
おい!ようは全体描いてから顔入れれば良いんだよね?
156以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:17:52.89 ID:/pW2X5al0
>>27 遅レススマソ
いや、まぁ正しい人体構造を掴むために
アタリ描きまくって、これは駄目だな、これは違うな、
って練習してるんだけどね。基礎知識はhitokakuをはじめ
その他、デッサンの解説が載ってるサイトで吸収してはいるよ。
そのせいでアタリ描きから全然進めていないけど
基礎が大事なのは激しく同意。まあ精進しますわ。
157以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:32:05.80 ID:porORl9z0
本人の描きやすいようにすればいいんじゃない
顔から描こうが足から描こうがどちらでも  自 由 だ ー !
158以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:42:28.46 ID:lEirnih40
自分、ドット避けが苦手だ特にパッド
キーボードなら全指に割り当てられて、精密に動くのだが
難しいところ
じぶんはまぶしい想いでから
かきます
159以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 13:58:49.37 ID:cIrDAMFq0
描き始めの人にとっちゃ、アタリも専門用語なんだなぁ
と、改めて実感
160以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:01:40.58 ID:EQNCBYo/0
>>156
>その他、デッサンの解説が載ってるサイトで吸収してはいるよ。
hitokaku以外でオススメのところ教えてくれないか?
161以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:02:09.65 ID:A2WboGHm0
昨晩もちょっと言ってたけどアタリってのは俗語で言う「〜の当たりをつける」
そのままの意味、ただの配置の見当でしかないんだぞ。
完成した絵の手足のバランスがメタメタなのは単に全体が見えてないだけで、
そういうヤツはアタリの時点でもうメタメタなの。部分を描いて満足しちゃってるからじゃねえか?
>138のいう継ぎ足しで描くなってのはそういうことだろ。

だいたいここにいる各人がアタリって言ってるものも多分各々ものすごい差があるだろうし。
たとえばおれのアタリってキャラの大きさと配置決めるだけの大ざっぱな楕円だ。
アイレベルを確かにしたいときはそこに補助線が入るだけ。ちょっとややこしいポーズの
場合はもやもやとした人型をなんとなーく作る。各部のバランスは「描きながら全体を見て」
決めていく。

一方ガッチリ人の形を決めるヤツもいるだろう。大まかに人の形取るだけのヤツもいるだろう。
自分でやっててもアタリのつけ方なんてその時々、しかもどんどん変わっていくものだから
決めてもしょうがない。

以前貼られてたソリッドウェブの中に「アタリが入った段階で絵は完成したようなもの」って
表記があったけど、そりゃあ自分のイメージをそのまま描ける腕があっての話。そういうヒトにとっては
アタリを入れた時点ですでに完成形が見えてるからな。
そうじゃない初心者はアタリとか何とかよりまず見て形をとらえること、絵の全体を見渡すこと、
おかしくない形ってのがどういうモノかたたき込むことが第一。
アタリが大事なのは「それで配置をおおまかに決めるから」であって「上手に絵を描き上げるため」ではない。
162以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:03:54.30 ID:FLZDMKDCO
このスレhttp://anime.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/eva/1147259983/に

VIPPERなめるとヒドイ目にあうお(#^ω^)

と書き込んでくれたら真紅あげます
VIPPERがなめられています
今こそVIPPERの団結力を見せつける時です
暇潰しにいかが?
163以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:06:21.38 ID:z/nKcn/S0
3行以上読めないのは俺だけか?
164以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:10:16.35 ID:X5afor160
他人のラフとかアタリとか、どうやって描いてるのか凄い気になる俺ガイル。
165以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:13:42.03 ID:porORl9z0
俺は100行でも読める 最初の数行で読む価値があるかどうか決めればいい
166以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:14:32.26 ID:ZzhvCfNl0
>>161
7ヶ月早く書き込んでくれたらアタリ難民にならなかったのに。最初にアタリ描け言われてアタリって何ってすげー混乱したんだぜ

>>164
そこでイベントファイル再生ですよ。OpenCanvasとか結構良いの公開されてるよ
167以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:16:24.64 ID:JHDj7YCO0
他の人の描いたラフ画とか見てて楽しい
168以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:16:51.25 ID:A2WboGHm0
>166
何回か繰り返し同じ事は言ってる( ;^ω^)
これだけまとめて言ったのは初めてだけど
169以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:22:45.19 ID:v0ZRMXn+0
全体を見るために、アタリを取るんじゃないの?
170以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:26:17.95 ID:LfhXn3y+0
本来の目的はキャラの大きさと配置決める事だと思う
キャラの大きさと配置決めてくことによって全体が見えるみたいな感じじゃないかな
171以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:27:53.37 ID:ZzhvCfNl0
>>164 URL投げとく
ttp://www.portalgraphics.net/ja/products/oc4/info/
一番下のユーザーコミュニティサイトの先に投稿ものがある

>>168
大丈夫、その何回かを繰り返し見て把握していた
ここまでかっちり書いてあれば、当時の俺でも一発で理解できたかなというくらい良かったから反応したw
172以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:29:30.58 ID:JHDj7YCO0
簡単な線でその絵の完成図をイメージできるなら
どんなんでも良いんじゃないかな
173以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:32:11.92 ID:+tMPduEE0
アタリって、自分が絵を描きあげる上で安心できるラフ、というものでは?
なので>161のように、個人差が出来ると。
でも、基本の『バランス』はどのパターンでも大切だよ、とな。
174以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:38:53.11 ID:A2WboGHm0
>169
描いてる最中に全体が見えてなきゃどんなアタリも意味がないわけよ
175以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:44:05.21 ID:5KtfcRAO0
http://tmp.2chan.net/img2/src/1147585393570.jpg
微妙におかしいんだが、どこがおかしいのかわかんね。
酷評してくれ。
176以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:44:08.17 ID:8sWzHJfk0
177以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:48:38.40 ID:lEirnih40
細かなところに対する苦手意識が出て、
ほんらい自分が描きたかった、春のうららかな公園がみえなくなってしまう
ほらっ気づけば横にちょうちょが飛んでいるぜっ
きみの描きたかった絵だ
178以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:49:21.12 ID:4wRfUtKjO
>175 カリアゲ
179以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:49:38.43 ID:SQAwzqMt0
そういうときは旅に出よう。 マジオススメ
180以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:49:54.12 ID:cIrDAMFq0
>>175
少しぐらい工夫しろよwww
URLが怪しすぎるだろwwwww
181以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:52:31.07 ID:OSxHW8Vo0
携帯用のうpろだなくなったみたいなので貼っておきますね
http://mup.vip2ch.com/up.p
http://mup.vip2ch.com/up.p

182以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 14:54:15.53 ID:SQAwzqMt0
>>181
宣伝乙 こんなん多いな
183以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:02:33.09 ID:cIrDAMFq0
気の早い話だけど
何通りかの構図例をパパッと見せて誰かに説明しないといけない状況では
ラフに描けないと困るよ(´・ω・`)
184以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:13:52.14 ID:HMHNfE800
(´・ω・`)
185以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:20:46.64 ID:X5afor160
>>171
ttp://vipmomizi.jog.buttobi.net/cgi-bin/uploader/src/3794.jpg
oCの存在忘れてた。ちょっとみてくる。
186以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:22:45.33 ID:A2WboGHm0
ということでちゃらちゃらっとやってみたイベントファイル
http://www.7-iro.org/file/data/Untitled2.zip
見るバヤイはopenCanvasをダウソして「イベントファイルを開く」
4.5ベータだと4.0xまでのイベントファイル再生はたまにこけることがある様子
187以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:26:03.17 ID:cIrDAMFq0
>>185
その絵は評価対象なのかどうかわかんないけど
身体に比べて腕ナガスクジラ
188以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:27:19.51 ID:tKg0f9+m0
openCanvas 4 と Plus ってなにか違うのか?
189以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:27:43.89 ID:X5afor160
>>187
こんな3分絵に評価なんて勿体ないです( ^ω^)
190以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:31:12.28 ID:jVP4/iix0
うおー上手えーよ、おまいら!

>>188
PSDの保存が出来るかが最大の違いだとオモタ。
191以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:31:16.81 ID:xpT7twWN0
3分だと俺はまだアタリすら取れてない('A`)
192以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:31:59.86 ID:LfhXn3y+0
へ〜openCanvasって描いた様子が再生されるんだ・・・
おもすれwww
193以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:34:30.02 ID:tKg0f9+m0
>>190
さんくす
194以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:37:52.84 ID:ctkWc2wg0
1ヶ月しか使えないのか高いな
195以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:46:30.41 ID:HMHNfE800
頭の中でアンデルセン神父が暴れまわっています
196以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:52:46.91 ID:LfhXn3y+0
とりあえず砂
197以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:55:38.22 ID:C8j5nRq20
すみません、遅れましたが

>91
>92
ありがとうございますm(_ _)m
アタリを見直してみます。というか書き直してみます

>94
自分の絵で、かわいいと言われるのは稀なので
ありがとうございますm(_ _)m
198以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 15:59:27.80 ID:WF0AVKVI0
199以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:06:03.43 ID:NoalJq/z0
スケッチブックを手に入れたぞ!
これって描いた裏も使う?一枚一枚破る?
200以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:07:09.16 ID:xpT7twWN0
スケブってどうやって保存してるの?
201以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:07:54.64 ID:/svCGYUw0
マジックとかであからさまに裏に写ってるとかじゃないのなら俺は裏も使う
202以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:08:34.21 ID:SXK7Nhew0
コナミコマンド
203以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:09:22.54 ID:HMHNfE800
貧乏だからコピー用紙でさえ裏をTT
204以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:18:44.73 ID:Anh++oyt0
いらなくなった色々な紙の裏に描いてますが何か?
205以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:19:07.38 ID:7Pb2wW6l0
脂手だからもう大変
206以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:23:40.15 ID:PErCy8nf0
さっき起きた



色々贅沢言ってんなお前ら…
207以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:24:51.66 ID:Otz9vrTL0
色まで塗ったら、裏は使わんなあ。
あと、練習で使うなら、スケブよかクロッキー帖のほうがお勧め。安いし。
208以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:25:33.70 ID:tp5XZghT0
スケブの裏も使うと黒鉛が写って汚れるんじゃね?
あとで見た時、汚れててもいい絵なら使ってもいいかも
209以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:25:52.51 ID:Otz9vrTL0
俺のID、左右に土下座してなくね?
210以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:26:30.99 ID:A2WboGHm0
>209
何その右や左の旦那様
211以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:27:17.39 ID:I/oUeYPl0
してなくね?だと「してないでしょ?」っていう意味にならね?
してね? が正しいんじゃね?
212以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:27:35.53 ID:HMHNfE800
アヘ顔とか目の形変えるとおかしくなるからできるだけ眉毛と口で表現したほうがいいのかなぁ
いつも悩む、というかヤフオクで目を変形させると受けがよくないorz
213以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:29:29.74 ID:7Pb2wW6l0
>>212
それってぶっちゃけ手抜きじゃね?
214以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:30:25.79 ID:A2WboGHm0
>212
例うp
215以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:40:32.15 ID:Otz9vrTL0
変形がだめなら、合体もしてみてはどうか。
216以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:41:09.22 ID:JHDj7YCO0
左右の目が合体って新境地だな
217以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:42:06.16 ID:rAJC4BYw0
>>212
萌え絵の限界・・・か
218以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:42:58.49 ID:LS/W4nzI0
一つ目の萌えキャラを描くんだ!
219以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:44:15.18 ID:I/oUeYPl0
そもそもアヘ顔がわからん
220以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:47:01.00 ID:Otz9vrTL0
>>216
赤塚的な。
>>212
予想だけど、なんか下品な雰囲気になっちゃってるんじゃなかろうか。
その辺、ここで解決したいなら、本当に例うp。
売り物なら、そうもいかないのかもしれないけどねん。
221以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 16:52:40.80 ID:HMHNfE800
ほむ。
222以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:02:42.88 ID:Nw04UCZp0
出来物うpじゃなくて、新規で線減らせた絵さらせばいいんじゃね?
223以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:07:46.19 ID:5KtfcRAO0
http://www.monokuro.tv/cache/data/200201/16/www.solid-web.com/cgi-bin/view5ID_181.htm
ここ面白いな。
絵の勉強とか言う前に、一度目を通しておくべきサイト。
224以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:09:37.63 ID:PErCy8nf0
残念だけど一ヶ月ぐらい前にも一回出た
225以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:11:45.25 ID:rAJC4BYw0
自称良識派の人が愚痴るサイトだろそこ
226以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:13:44.54 ID:I/oUeYPl0
>>223
体はだいたい描けるのに顔がまともに描けない
(色を塗れば驚くべき平面顔、風景かかせりゃパースは素人目でも滅茶苦茶、
 横顔は公式通りに描いてるのかまともだが、ナナメ顔は基本的にアゴが崩壊)
人がキャライラスト全部描いてるゲーム知ってると、
顔描きの方がまだマシだと思えてしまう俺がいる
227以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:16:39.87 ID:Otz9vrTL0
そこでサウンドノベルですよ。
228以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:17:00.02 ID:A2WboGHm0
>226
それ多分身体も描けてないよ
229以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:17:51.43 ID:QaO39RTD0
あるあるw
230以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:19:56.96 ID:I/oUeYPl0
>>228
まぁ確かに体も時々ぽつっぽつっとおかしいところはあるが
ほとんど気にならない程度だ。顔に比べたら随分いい。
感動のシーンとかで崩れた顔がセリフの横に出てるのを見ると違う意味で泣けてくる。
2311:2006/05/14(日) 17:24:42.63 ID:JLUIEA/g0
>>230
いっぺんうp
顔どんなのか見ちゃるw
あとからだ描けてるかも
232以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:27:36.91 ID:xpT7twWN0
SNSって上手い人いるの?
ってか盛り上がってるの?

興味津々なんだけど
233以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:29:08.32 ID:Otz9vrTL0
しかし、「横顔は公式通り」って、じゃあテンプレみたいなものに準じて描いてるのかw
そりゃ随分だな。
まあでも、仕事として描いてる以上、俺らが云々言うことでもないなw
234以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:32:06.95 ID:Nw04UCZp0
>>231
お前の最近の絵モみたいな
どんなになってるんだ今
235以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:38:41.26 ID:4EjJYuKp0
背景とか動物とか劇ウマなのに顔がどうも頂けないって言う
絵師は確かにいるよな
そこら辺も好みの問題になりそうだが
236以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:40:03.09 ID:I/oUeYPl0
>>231
俺が持ってるその人の絵の中から適当に探してきた。
顔がちゃんとわかるようにするためにサイズは大きめなんで了承よろしく。
http://vipdeekaku.run.buttobi.net/cgi-bin/src/up0447.jpg

何のゲームかわかる人もいるかもな、結構有名だし。
237以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:43:10.06 ID:bqoz3Iru0
>>236
体も描けてないしパースが無茶苦茶(^w^)
238以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:43:45.01 ID:I/oUeYPl0
いや俺の絵じゃないから俺に言われても…
239以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:45:00.54 ID:xpT7twWN0
塗ればそこそこ見れるから絵は怖い
240以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:45:32.35 ID:bqoz3Iru0
そこは分かってる(^w^)
241以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:46:58.39 ID:I/oUeYPl0
さっきのレスでパースの話も出したから
俺が持ってるその人の絵の中で
風景もあってかつ一番ひどいと思うやつ持ってきたんだ
242以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:48:24.59 ID:Nw04UCZp0
まぁ判るが絵師たたきはやめた方がいいだろ
243以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:49:10.01 ID:NoalJq/z0
おい!普通にうまい絵じゃねーか!
244以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:49:13.32 ID:I/oUeYPl0
うん俺もそれは思ってたから少し考えてたよ。
うpろだの規約にも多分反するだろうからそろそろ消すね。
245以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:49:17.91 ID:bqoz3Iru0
把握(^w^)
欠席裁判イクナイ(^w^)
246以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:50:33.89 ID:A2WboGHm0
>235
特定ジャンルに特化した人ってのは確かにいるね。
出渕裕や開田裕二とか人物はもひとつだもんな。永野護もそのクチか。
反面得意な方は突出してるからこりゃもう才能の向いてる方向なんだろうな。

>236
……( ;^ω^)
むしろ顔だけが比較的マシで他はメタメタ、というのがボクの見立てです><
247以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:55:17.85 ID:xpT7twWN0
各自の立ち絵をそれぞれ描いて
後で1枚に合わせたように見える
248以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:56:04.26 ID:Otz9vrTL0
なにがしたいんだか。
249以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:56:26.43 ID:HMHNfE800
どうであれプロでやっていければok
250以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 17:57:51.56 ID:gxpYQa5B0
なにこの流れ
251以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:00:39.34 ID:bqoz3Iru0
みんな目が肥えてしまったということかな?(^w^)
252以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:02:11.57 ID:PErCy8nf0
グルメ評論家みたいにはなりたくないね('A`)
253以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:02:38.71 ID:z/nKcn/S0
本人がいないところで、そいつの絵を批判してなんになるんだよ、そんなんでくだらない優越感に浸りたいなら他所でやれよ
まあ、もし他人の絵を批判して自分の絵が上手くなるってんならいくらでもどうぞ
まずありえないけどな
254以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:04:47.78 ID:LS/W4nzI0
絵描きってどうしてこう愚痴っぽいんだろうねw
255以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:05:05.37 ID:/pW2X5al0
でも真っ当な批判なら素直に受け入れるべきだね。
256以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:05:16.27 ID:d1Q3ZgYD0
アラを探せない絵なんてない
既に言ってるけど、「デッサン」「パース」とか言ってしまえば
ほとんどの絵にケチがつく

ここはそういうスレなんだろうけど、もう少し
考えて行動すべきだと思うね
257以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:06:53.39 ID:mm/HQFR60
>>254
×:絵描きは愚痴っぽい
○:愚痴っぽい奴は口数が多い レスが多い 独り言が多い
258以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:07:04.03 ID:2dQUkwyj0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/56a.gif
こないだ言われたところを直してきました><
259以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:07:58.68 ID:v0ZRMXn+0
デッサンに狂いがなくパースが正確な絵なんて見たくないです
萌える絵が見たいんです
260以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:08:16.54 ID:gxpYQa5B0
>>255
そうだね、みんな>>242からの批判を真摯な態度で受け入れようね。
261以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:09:13.76 ID:pW1qC+T90
チアリーディングカンフーアクションって感じで描きました
場面は香港映画的1対多数の大立ち回りを意識しました
指摘等ありましたらお願いします
http://www.moee.org/file/data/show001.JPG
262以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:09:53.97 ID:I/oUeYPl0
>>253
もしかして俺に言ってんの?
俺はそういう目的で出した訳じゃないんで、ちゃんと流れ見てからレスしてくれよ。

どちらにしろどうでもいいんで、変な反論されても困るんでよろしく。
説教したいなら画面に向かってしててくれ。
263以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:13:40.37 ID:mm/HQFR60
>>258
丁寧な仕事だな 絵柄は個人的にツボ
でもその座り方で足の裏全面見せると

    /
 |/
↑こんな感じで足首が辛そう

    /
 \/
↑見たいな感じで、つま先がもう少し手前に来たほうがいいかも
264以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:14:06.85 ID:xpT7twWN0
で、SNSに関する俺の質問はスルーされたのか
265以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:14:38.13 ID:z/nKcn/S0
>>262
おまえ、何言ってんの?
266以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:14:47.62 ID:I/oUeYPl0
>>258
俺パスうまく使えないから、パス使って綺麗な線ひける人はうらやましい
267以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:16:43.46 ID:tKg0f9+m0
>>264
別にもりがってるわけじゃないお
指摘受けたいならスレのほうがいいと思われ
268以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:16:53.32 ID:p8YxoMzs0
>>262
なんか万引き犯が捕まって、店員に見せの被害について問い詰められたとき
「そういうつもりで万引きしたわけじゃないっす」
って言ってる状況を思い浮かべたら、笑えた
269以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:17:44.84 ID:43TIU3cx0
>>258
バランスについてはあんまケチつけられる立場じゃないので別の点で

描く部位に応じて主線の太さを使い分けてみよう
グッと引き締まって魅力も高まるよ
270以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:17:46.12 ID:Otz9vrTL0
>>258
こないだを知らないからウカツに言えないけど、眉毛にもっと
存在感があれば、俺は満点。しかし今でも十分萌える。うめえ。
>>261
チアリーディングと八極拳のハーモニーw
がに股は萌えねーよと言いたいとこだが、なかなかどうしてかわいいなw
俺は好きw
271以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:19:00.87 ID:bqoz3Iru0
>>261
肩の筋肉がない(^w^)ちょっと左腕の二の腕短いかも(^w^)
他は人体立体把握に関しては特にない(^w^)

チアリーディングカンフーアクションって何か分からないけど、いわゆるキメポーズでしょ?(^w^)
なら腰は逆に捻って、背筋はそんなに反らせないと思うんだがどうだろう?(^w^)
現状だと羽交い絞めにされてるみたいだ(^w^)

これ資料あり?(^w^)
272以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:19:02.22 ID:xpT7twWN0
>>267
そうなのか サンクス
上手い人が皆そっち行ってたら
参考になると思って聞いたんだが

273以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:20:37.30 ID:xpT7twWN0
>>258
SDは好きじゃないがうめぇwwwwwwww

>>261
あえてトラックスーツにしなかったのか 上手い
274以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:20:44.80 ID:cIrDAMFq0
>>269
禿同
特に輪郭線を太くすると存在感うp
275以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:22:25.88 ID:cIrDAMFq0
>>271
チアリーダー忍者でぐぐれ
276以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:22:49.53 ID:JHDj7YCO0
>>261
靴はそこまで丸っこくしない方が
形が綺麗かも
あと線にメリハリがあんまり無いせいで全体的にヌメッとして見えるかな
277以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:26:09.81 ID:Bu+DY+Jq0
指摘と赤おねがいします。><
http://www.moee.org/file/data/1_77.jpg
278以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:26:48.53 ID:I/oUeYPl0
まんこ鋭くないか?
279以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:27:42.84 ID:xpT7twWN0
イチモツを隠し持っている
280以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:29:08.51 ID:pW1qC+T90
>>270
まじウレシス。普段は骨からガガって書き上げるけど
今回は右足躍動感出すためにかなりこだわりました

>>271
右手で正面の敵、左で後方の敵を相手している感じです
さすがに資料無かったので脳内でがんばりました

>>273
このスレに上げるときはあまり衣装で逃げないようにしようとおもって
なるべく露出の高いものって考えています、ありがとう
281以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:30:05.55 ID:cIrDAMFq0
>>277
股位置に対して尻肉が上に上がりすぎ
乳の大きさが左右違う
手小さい
絵柄古く見える(たぶん寄り目のせい)
282以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:31:25.05 ID:Otz9vrTL0
どういう事情があって、バニーが剣を!?
剣を持つなら持つで、剣が活きる見せ方があるんじゃないだろうか。
そこ工夫しないなら、逆に剣は要らないと思う(なにかのキャラだったらすまん)。
あと、耳は黒くしないほうがいいと思うんだぜ。
283以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:33:38.70 ID:pW1qC+T90
>>275
wwwwワロス
こんなのあったんですね

>>276
なるほどカンフーシューズぽっい感じでデザインしてみます

指摘通り線はもう・・・フォトショ最近使いはじめたんですが
なかなか難しくて、がんばります
284以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:33:40.35 ID:JHDj7YCO0
>>277
女にしては骨盤が小さすぎる感じ
デッサンぽく塗るなら鉛筆寝かせずにハッチングした方が綺麗かも
285以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:37:30.28 ID:mm/HQFR60
>>277
剣を軽々と持ち上げすぎ。剣先を地面につけてる描写もしくは
少し重くて右腕〜肩の筋が張って、体の重心が右に寄りそうでちょっと不安定そうな
表現をするとバニースーツの艶かしさが引き立つかもしれん
286以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:37:48.75 ID:Otz9vrTL0
ハッチング、ググっちゃったw
ttp://www.izu.co.jp/~atorie33/dessan/b_dessan/part3/haching.htm
なるほろなー
287以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:38:06.87 ID:bqoz3Iru0
>>277
左腕が圧倒的にマズイ(^w^)
おそらく肘を体の真横に持ってくるポーズだと思うんだが、それが表現出来てない(^w^)
288以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:40:08.91 ID:2dQUkwyj0
皆アドバイスdクス
線の太さとかとかあんまり考えたこと無かったwwwwwww
289以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:54:06.80 ID:b4K/h76h0
ここって塗りのアドバイス目的でもおkなんでしょうか?
絵を指摘してもらえるのも嬉しいのですが、塗りで行き詰まっちゃって…orz
290以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:54:57.06 ID:xpT7twWN0
291以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:55:01.63 ID:tKg0f9+m0
萌え絵を塗りつつ話したり教えたりするスレ
http://ex14.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1147518497/

こっちでしたほうがいいかも
292以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:55:16.08 ID:I/oUeYPl0
前は確か塗りもOKの風潮だったかと。
一応どんな塗りを目指してるかは書いたほうがいいと思う
293以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 18:55:34.17 ID:b4K/h76h0
>>290-291
ありがd!
そっちいってみますー。
294以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:05:08.90 ID:Otz9vrTL0
こんなスレがたってたのなー。
萌え絵スレ細分化か。
295以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:05:38.41 ID:I/oUeYPl0
そのスレがいわゆる塗りスレなのか?
296以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:08:24.85 ID:PErCy8nf0
線画がよければ塗りはどうでもいい

そんなふうに考えていた時期が俺にもありました
297以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:12:33.81 ID:xpT7twWN0
>>296
いい線画うp
298以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:14:54.71 ID:p8YxoMzs0
どちらかというと逆だよね
塗りが綺麗なら線画がある程度荒れててもよく見えてしまう
299以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:21:25.35 ID:HMHNfE800
(^^w)
300以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:22:58.48 ID:A2WboGHm0
>299
おまいははようpれwww
301以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:32:06.98 ID:NoalJq/z0
おい!過疎か?
なんかかいてたらごっつくなったぞ保守!
302以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:35:22.96 ID:xpT7twWN0
なんか先月までと顔ぶれ全然変わったよなココ
303以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:47:22.77 ID:wH+7UKVc0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/033.png
線画ってどこまで描き込んでいいやら悩みますね。
指摘お願いしまっす。
304以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:53:56.82 ID:ikQ4dNZV0
別にカテゴライズする必要もないけど、
連休中に1周年迎えてたし、2期生ってことにしとこう

更にオナニーレスですまなんだけど、
漏れこのスレに来てから昨日で丁度半年立ってた
気合入れてくぜ
305以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 19:58:44.06 ID:Otz9vrTL0
>>303
Σ(゚Д゚;UMEEE!! 指摘?無理w
絵柄もちょっと独特でグー。あとはもう、はやく塗ってくれとしか。
306以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:02:11.19 ID:GcewBpEa0
>>303
なんかアレだな
SAIで制御点イジリまくって描きましたって感じの絵だな・・・
形はいいよ
右足と耳の形ぐらいしか気にならない

これからは抑揚っていうのかな、ペンを強く使う所と弱く使う所を考えよう
例えば、髪の毛やシワは他の線より細く(弱く)描いた方がいい
服の折れた部分や線が集まった部分は太く(強く)描いた方がいい
307以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:04:19.97 ID:UagIJ3/p0
>>303
右足長くない? 補助線引いてみ?
308以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:04:54.60 ID:AMJ0FO7E0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/aa.png
指摘 赤 お願いします
309以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:06:35.85 ID:v0ZRMXn+0
特に言うことはありません
310以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:10:03.13 ID:IdmYiXnQ0
>>277にコメントくださった皆さんありがとうございます。
剣は思いつきで持たせちゃったんですけど失敗だったみたいです。
今から色々と修正してみようと思います。
311以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:14:07.71 ID:GcewBpEa0
>>308
おっ!久々にカラーだw
ん〜体のバランスは大体合ってる。足の長さ、手の長さ、胴、いい感じ
しかし問題は顔の輪郭だな
左右反転してみ?右頬がべコッってなってるぞ(^ω^;)
それと全体的平べったい。塗りのせいかもしれないけど
シワ付けるとかしてもっと立体感出してみ
312以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:21:04.53 ID:Otz9vrTL0
>>308
腰の帯のアウトラインがまっすぐで、立体感が失われているような。
上体を反っているにしても、帯の線は若干U字気味になる感じで良いかと。
衣装のアクセントな上に、面積もそれなりに大きくて、目立つ。
全体的にはいい感じ。色彩の統一感とか、ちょっとスカした表情とか。
313以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:33:37.27 ID:OZbR6oFw0
保 守
314308:2006/05/14(日) 20:36:02.09 ID:AMJ0FO7E0
指摘ありがとうございます!

>>311顔はチャンピオンで連載してた「オヤマ菊之助」の人の描きかたをコピろうとしたらガタガタになっちゃって^^; もっかいアタリとって描いてみます

>>312帯把握しました
315以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:41:47.58 ID:wH+7UKVc0
>>305
独特と言ってもらえると嬉しい限りです。問題は萌えるか否かっすね〜
>>306
制御点はよくわかりませんがSAIの鉛筆と消しゴムで描きました。
筆圧は面白いですね、普段から筆圧が強いので力抜くと線がモニョってしまう…
>>307
右腕で右膝が丁度隠れているからでしょうか?
316以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:44:03.03 ID:LS/W4nzI0
>>315
そんな事よりはやく塗る作業に戻るんだ
317以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:46:39.81 ID:Otz9vrTL0
>>315
萌えるか否かといえば、萌えるに決まってるじゃないか。
そんな事よりはやく塗る作業に戻るんだ
318以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:48:36.69 ID:1Qec/uZq0
戦う乙女を描いてみようと思ったんだ

http://www.moee.org/file/data/7.jpeg
2、3日描けなかったんだけど、絵柄が戻ってしまった希ガス
指摘・赤ヨロ
319以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:53:03.23 ID:xpT7twWN0
手が長いというか足が短い どっちかに合わせるといい
胸から手がはえているように見えてしまうよ
腰のねじれてる感が出てないようだ
320以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:56:15.05 ID:1Qec/uZq0
>>319
多分、足が短いのかもしれない
ねじれてる感じが上手く出せないんだ(´・ω・`)ショボーン
321以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:58:31.55 ID:pW1qC+T90
>>318
膝下が少し短いかもです

自分は三等分して膝、腰、頭頂って感じでアタリとってます
322以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 20:59:26.13 ID:xpT7twWN0
がばれ
上体そこまで捻ると
下半身も多少なりとも引っ張られると思うんだ
この絵だともっと先まで捻れそうな見え方なんだ
323以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:01:40.33 ID:YxOkcmQ+0
ttp://www.geocities.jp/kita_site3/
服のシワってのが仮開設されてました。
どう動かしたときにどういうシワが付くのかってのが動画で分かるかと・・・
324以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:02:02.53 ID:4sCq/EJnO
今日から俺も真面目に絵の練習するぜ!!ってやつにお勧めの練習方法とめげないコツを教えて下さいこの糞野郎共
テンプレは一応読んだのでお前らの経験したことで頼むよ この脳たりん
325以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:03:29.14 ID:AMJ0FO7E0
>>324絵が好きならめげることはないんじゃね?
326以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:04:11.60 ID:xpT7twWN0
>>324
描いた娘を我が子のように溺愛しる
327以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:08:45.55 ID:1Qec/uZq0
>321
自分は6,5頭身ぐらいを目安に描いてるんだが・・・
確かに膝下が3分の1ぐらいあるね。俺の絵ミジカスwww
直してみよっと

>>322
さっきから自分で捻っては描くを繰り返して腰痛が酷くなりましたが何か?
もう少し右足上げてるし、もう少し奥に捻ってみるよ
328以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:08:58.59 ID:pW1qC+T90
>>324
俺がやってたお手軽なやつは
メモ帳持ち歩いて時間があるとき
見かけた全身写真とかを骨人形で描くってやつ
こっそり出来ていいよ
なれたらアングル変えたりして遊べるし
329以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:10:41.34 ID:mDoyURj80
http://www.moee.org/file/data/hajirai.jpg
すいません
汚いですけどおかしい所に赤と指摘おながいしますお
330以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:14:47.32 ID:kpyWqrMw0
デッサン人形を800円で買ったのにぶっ壊れた><
モデル人形 5インチはオススメできない
331以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:16:05.02 ID:xpT7twWN0
>>329

まっさきに 足足足足足足
332以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:19:58.85 ID:44Gpt9Ot0
画材屋とかに売ってるデッサン人形は大概壊れやすかったり
稼動範囲がしょぼかったりで使い物にならないよな…ミクロマン最強
333以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:22:37.43 ID:RIA3/kvT0
>>325,326,328
PCから
ありがとう糞野郎ども
お前らのちっぽけな脳みそがフル稼働しますように
334以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:24:05.87 ID:kpyWqrMw0
よっしゃマテリアルフォース買ってくる
490円でモデル人形 5インチよりも高性能だと・・!
335以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:30:55.68 ID:SyiqJhBN0
保守
336以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:44:04.98 ID:OcTy12wl0
>>329
俺の股関節が硬いからなのか、このポーズで両尻を地面につける事が出来なかった。
右尻に重心がかかって左尻が少し浮く。
足はひらいた手の平よりも少し大きいぞ。
337以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:47:07.16 ID:peinEc5h0
途中なんだが、意見仰いだり赤お願いしたりするのはアリか?
338以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:48:52.56 ID:GcewBpEa0
どれくらい途中かにもよるけど叩かれる可能性が高いよ・・・
IDがペイン
339以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:51:22.66 ID:WfWkUyp30
>>337
その途中絵でおまいの表現したい萌えが
指摘さんや赤さんに伝われば、
おまいにとって有益なレスがもらえるかも試練。
340以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 21:56:55.05 ID:GcewBpEa0
つーか人少ないな・・・
みんな絵描いてるかな?
叩かれる可能性が高いよって言ったけど今の雰囲気ならおkかも
341以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:01:34.77 ID:8YO5kYrW0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/777.jpg
なんだか違和感を感じるんですが自分ではよく分かりません。
指摘、赤お願いします。
342以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:01:57.18 ID:A2WboGHm0
>318
6.5頭身を目安にして6頭身前後におさまったなら誤差ですむけど
コレ傾いてることを勘定に入れても4頭身チョイだろ。根本的に何かおかしいんだよ。
描いてる最中全体が見えてないと何回やっても同じ事繰り返すよ。

顔がこの角度じゃなきゃいけないのか、それともどうしても背中を見せたいのかで
ポーズも確認した方がいいな。首ひねりすぎ。左手首もどんな形なのか考え直した方がいい。
343以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:02:33.98 ID:peinEc5h0
まぁ、叩かれても泣かない。
スキャンしてくるわ。
344以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:05:10.99 ID:GcewBpEa0
>>341
髪止めに色が塗ってないからだと思う
345以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:07:39.85 ID:porORl9z0
>>341
胴の部分 胸腹腰だけ抽象化されてないんではないかと
346以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:07:51.24 ID:HMHNfE800
保健体育の教科書に載ってそうな絵
347以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:07:56.45 ID:GcewBpEa0
・・・ちょっと目を離した好きに塗り板落ちたorz
348以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:08:23.26 ID:D++EHAkN0
ちょいと塗り質問させて
フォトショ5とフォトショ6って覆い焼きレイヤーの効果がデフォだと違うんだけど
6で5と同じようにするにはどうしたらいいの?
どっか弄れば一緒になるって前聞いたことあるんだけどマジわかんないので教えて下さい。
349以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:09:47.66 ID:peinEc5h0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/tataki.jpg

パンツって、こういう視点でどういう風に見えるかわからない。
寝てるカンジに描きたいと思っている。
本人はデッサン人形みながら、頑張ってアタリとりながら描いてみたつもりだ。

指摘、可能なら赤お願いします。

パンティみた事無い俺を助けてやってくれ!!
350以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:11:40.34 ID:xpT7twWN0
橋本タカシを模倣したなw
351以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:12:15.74 ID:GcewBpEa0
やっぱり30分に一度保守しないとVIPじゃ落ちるんだな・・・
352以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:17:30.13 ID:xTpp+nhb0
>>349
ブリーフをはいて横になった姿を鏡にうつすんだペイン
353以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:22:06.49 ID:IdmYiXnQ0
旧:http://www.moee.org/file/data/1_77.jpg
新:http://www.moee.org/file/data/1a.jpg

とりあえずポーズはそのまんまで直せるとこ直してみたんだけどどうなんだろう…。
自分一人で直すとあんまり変わってないような気がするので激しく赤希望です><
あと、絵柄について、もっと萌えるようにするにはどうしたらいいかアドバイスお願いします。
354以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:22:28.04 ID:Db9XZSBZ0
>>352
もっこり…(*´д`*)
355以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:23:38.58 ID:ZDq9kU5U0
http://blue.ap.teacup.com/rumi3gatu22niti/

ただでさえおかしいのに千里って名前で別人装って
さらに千里の名前で自演してもう一つブログ作って
挙句の果てには千里と自分を友達にしよーとしちゃってる頭逝っちゃってる流美とかゆー奴だお!!!1
356以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:29:29.34 ID:mDoyURj80
>>331>>336
ありがとうございます
左下半身を浮かせてみましたがどうでしょうか
http://www.moee.org/file/data/haji2.jpg
357以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:32:30.58 ID:GcewBpEa0
>>349参考↓
http://www.moee.org/file/data/tataki.PNG
見えないところも描いたらわかりやすいかも
358以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:34:42.36 ID:OcTy12wl0
>>349
お母さんに小さなパンツを作ってもらってデッサン人形にはかせるんだ

お腹のゴムのとこってこんなに丸くならないと思う。
左太股の外側の線、ちょっと切れ込み過ぎかなあって気もする。
359以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:40:03.25 ID:peinEc5h0
>>357
一応、見えないところも描いてるおwww汚くなるから、後から消した。
ちょwwお母にそんなこと頼んだら泣いて逃げ出すと思うお(; ^ω^)

360以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:44:41.64 ID:HMHNfE800
がんばるお( ^^ω)
361以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:45:56.93 ID:A2WboGHm0
>360
だからアヘ顔と普通の顔のうp(ry
362以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:47:49.32 ID:GcewBpEa0
363以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:49:15.43 ID:PErCy8nf0
欠伸といっても差し支えはない
364以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:56:04.26 ID:numg6kwO0
>>362
そのタッチ・・・お前はまさか!?
365以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:56:51.19 ID:GcewBpEa0
俺の絵じゃねぇ
366以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:57:54.73 ID:QaO39RTD0
うめぇ
367以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 22:58:40.62 ID:kpyWqrMw0
らめぇ
368以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:02:20.22 ID:peinEc5h0
あれ、カンフー先生?
369以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:04:16.16 ID:GcewBpEa0
知らないけどロダの最初の方にあったお
370以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:07:27.23 ID:WqrIIWtK0
>>369
おまいじゃねぇのかよwwwwwwww
371以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:11:02.13 ID:PErCy8nf0
勝手にうpしひゃらめにゃのぉおおぉぉぉ゛
372以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:15:02.85 ID:ikQ4dNZV0
カンフー先生きt−・・・
  ∧∧ ∩
 ( ´∀`)/ ∧∧ ∩
⊂   ノ  ( ´∀`)/
 (つ ノ  ⊂   ノ  ∧∧ ∩
  (ノ    (つ ノ  ( ´A`)/
        (ノ   ⊂   ノ
             (つ ノ  ∧∧ ∩
             (ノ  ( ´A`)/
                _| つ/ヽ-、_
              / └-(____/
               ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄ ̄
                  <⌒/ヽ___
                /<_/____/
373以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:15:30.61 ID:l5LwoeE50
俺はやればできるだなんて思っていた


…誰でもやればできる。
やらないからできない人間だと言うことを知ったのは
もうずいぶんと大人になって、人として、終わってからだった。
374以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:19:06.71 ID:SQAwzqMt0
エロゲンガーの人はカンフー先生じゃないお! 最近見ないでサビシス。
375以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:20:09.98 ID:ZX1bnEgC0
自分で終わってるって自覚してるんだったらいくらでもやり直せる
やればできるって知ったんならやればいい
376以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:21:53.22 ID:kpyWqrMw0
やればできるから今ヤラネ
377以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:22:25.19 ID:GcewBpEa0
確かに人の絵晒すのは無粋な真似だたな
スマソosz
378以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:27:23.17 ID:pW1qC+T90
やっぱ萌え絵だとアクション指向の人って少ないのかなー
379以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:28:20.42 ID:18XNGKyJ0
なぜ、2回もうpされるんだ・・・スマンorz

>>359
http://www.moee.org/file/data/tataki_aka_1.jpg
赤してみた。
おぱんつは、おまんまのふくらみを意識するといいかも。
380以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:31:44.46 ID:FjCTFIn50
>>379
多分URL違ってるかも、

http://www.moee.org/file/data/tataki_aka.jpg
こっちか?
381以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:33:54.53 ID:SQAwzqMt0
勝手に2回うpって現象俺もなったことある。 何らかのバグだとオモ。
どっちか消した方がいいかも。
382以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:36:04.05 ID:0Kke2SyC0
>>374
(´・ω・)俺エロゲンガーなんて名乗ったっけ・・・?
383以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:41:05.96 ID:18XNGKyJ0
>>380
うぎゃー、すまん。
削除できるかなーとしてたら、消せたので直すの忘れてた。

>>381
おー、なるほろバグなのか。
思いっきりミスったと思ってたので、安心したおサンクス。
384以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:44:45.32 ID:pU5HS0ZQ0
385以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:45:26.03 ID:usInzmdj0
>>303
亀で悪いけど、ケツが全てを台無しにしてるね
386以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:47:12.44 ID:GcewBpEa0
今日は日曜なのに盛り上がりに欠けるなぁ・・・
387以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:48:30.43 ID:PErCy8nf0
ぶっちゃけ日曜日がもう終わるからだよ!
388以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:51:14.41 ID:SQAwzqMt0
>>382
本人ですか? そういう仕事していると聞いたように思うのだが。 違ったらスマソ。
389以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:51:23.72 ID:peinEc5h0
>>380
サンクスwwwww
おまんまのふくらみ、全く考えて無かった。

手とか足のサイズがイマイチつかめてないんだな、俺。

赤、いかさせてもらうぜ(゚∀゚
390以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:51:55.37 ID:GcewBpEa0
俺は明日提出のレポート2週分溜まってるのにキャラデザしてるw
一緒に提出したら単位くれないかな・・・
391以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:55:01.18 ID:j9I+Z1Ei0
夜分遅くに赤ペンお願いします
お手本なぞって描いただけなんですが、特に影のつけ方についてご教授いただけたら嬉しいです。。

http://www.moee.org/file/data/moeeironuri_1.jpg
392以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:56:19.07 ID:0Kke2SyC0
>>391
なぞったって・・・マウス?(´・ω・`)
393以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/14(日) 23:57:09.76 ID:Mq4kCFIB0
指摘・赤よろしくおねがいします。特に頭部と腕に不安が残りました。
http://www.moee.org/file/data/40.jpg
394以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:00:35.20 ID:GdfJmRng0
>>391
お手本なぞったんなら、そのお手本に勝る赤はないんじゃね?
395以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:02:34.62 ID:MXu9oQ700

396以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:05:50.61 ID:RubnzY+g0
>>394
まぁ本文も読めよ
どっちかいうと塗りに関して教授してもらいたいんじゃね?
オレは塗れんからなんともいえんが
397以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:06:04.42 ID:lm5Cav1Z0
>>389
手足の大きさは回数こなすうちに分かるから、がんばっ。
ってか、俺もまだ自信ねー・・・。
普通の状態なら測りやすいが、アングル、体勢によっての捉え方がが・・・。

・・・F1スペイン戦見ながら練習するか。
398以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:08:07.66 ID:MXu9oQ700
来たね。何とは言わないけど。
399以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:09:08.95 ID:YTPjiP190
>391
光源どこよ
400以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:26:11.58 ID:3D0ALLlq0
ほしゅ
401以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:28:17.05 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>393
おまいは逆に全体のバランスはまあまあなんだけど細部の注意が
カラッキシ欠けてるんだよな( ;^ω^)

首外れてる、顔がナナメ向きなのに目だけ正面、口が傾いてるか。
手も足も「あーなんかわかんね、こんな感じ?」で止まってるな、
チャイナドレスも資料ぐらい実物虹絵問わずいくらでも出てくるだろ。
もっともっと見れー

つーかちゃんとおれの言ったこと見てるか?見て描くってのは形を
とらえるってことだぞ、ただ単に同じようなモノを描くってことじゃないぞ、もう言わんぞ。

あとアレだ、描くの急ぎすぎ。何が何でも全身像描かなきゃいけないわけでもねえんだから
手がうまくいかないなら自分の手や「これは上手い」と思ったアニメやらマンガやらイラストやらの
手を片っ端から真似しろ。足も。コレも何回も言ってるかーノートの10枚や20枚
手足で埋めるくらいのことしてるの?ていうか普通しないの?
402以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:29:57.76 ID:EXYi9cke0
萌える巨乳の描き方教えてくれ誰か頼むから
403以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:31:53.78 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>401
ちょいと反論
ここで全身を書けといわれて、始めた奴も居るのはわかるよな?
諭し方は大事だよきをつけなって
404以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:32:01.99 ID:6070s49l0
乳はイメージで描くのがよさげ・・
デッサンキチキチにやろうとすると硬くなってしまう
405以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:32:45.42 ID:3x3H9FV90
巨乳な・・・
乳がでかいと体のバランスの維持がムズイんだよな・・・
406以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:34:35.65 ID:GdfJmRng0
無理矢理にでも、全身は描いておくべきだと思う。
俺も足とか手でノート10冊埋めたりしていないが、やっぱりそういった
練習すべきなのかね。
407以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:34:52.79 ID:EXYi9cke0
ひんぬーは簡単なんだがな……
408以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:36:02.09 ID:6070s49l0
http://tnpt.net/uploader/src/up1238.jpg
とりあえずむちゃくちゃなやつを・・・
409以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:36:55.94 ID:r23nd+2k0
>>399
特に考えてませんでした・・出直してきます

あと、細かいところでは虹彩(瞳)の塗り方がわかんないです。。
410以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:37:42.14 ID:EXYi9cke0
>>408
参考にしてみるお
411以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:37:43.58 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>393
パーツごとに見るとけっこう進化してる(^w^)
しかし、全体で見ると個々の比率がバラバラで、非常にもったいない(^w^)

模写してみるとか、あるいは写真や絵のパーツごとの大体の大きさだけをトレースして(いわゆるアタリをとる作業)、
他は見ずに描くみたいなことをして、全体のバランスを頭に叩き込もう(^w^)

と書いたら401と全く反対の意見みたいだな(^w^)
412以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:40:12.84 ID:njy2xf2b0
>>406
全身を描けってのは「苦手部分から逃げるな」って意味だよ
弱点が分かってんのに集中練習しないほうが、よっぽど不自然だと思うお
413以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:40:14.23 ID:m2HPgdhJ0
>>410はそういって、二度と此処に帰ってくることはなかった・・・
後の東条英機である
414以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:41:51.92 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
まず全体への視野を広げる業として全身を、といってるわけ
これが基本だよ
未熟な状態で細部にこだわりを持つと、視野が狭くなっちゃうからねん
そんなこだわりはバランスを覚えてからでも遅くないし、其のほうが伸びやすい
415以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:41:52.98 ID:sMuVkXpGO
おにーたんあったかい…
416以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:43:40.35 ID:6070s49l0
全体苦手だから同人ではほとんどアップで逃げorz
417以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:44:18.61 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>391
まず普通の肌色と陰の色が半分半分になるように塗ってみ?(^w^)
で、その絵うp(^w^)
それで立体把握できてるかどうか分かる(^w^)
418以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:44:31.72 ID:eT3GGZDPO
ある程度期間見てダメだと思ったら
才能無いから辞めた方が良いと言ってやるのも優しさだと思う

変にマシなとこ見て『良い』だなんてハードル下げるから
自分に才能あると思い込んじゃうんだよ

絵心の有無なんて見りゃ解るだろ
419以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:45:31.08 ID:nblugXYI0
俺のことか… 俺のことかッー!!
420以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:45:38.00 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
>>413はそう断言してのけた。
後の伊藤博文である。
421以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:46:23.11 ID:njy2xf2b0
>>418
ここがもしプロを目指すスレだったら、そう言いたい時は多々ある
422以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:47:53.77 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>418
それもやさしさだろうな、好きにはなれんがな
423以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:48:46.89 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
絵心なくても萌え心あればいいじゃね?
424以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:49:17.14 ID:njy2xf2b0
誰がうまいこと言えと(ry
425以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:50:38.58 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
       |
   \  __  /
   _ (m) _ピコーン
      |ミ|
    /  `´  \
     ('A`)     ソウカ オレノエガ スルー サレタノハ ソノセイカ!
     ノヽノヽ
       くく
426以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:50:51.64 ID:k+veqcgS0
>413
丁度、東条英機の戦陣訓聞いててまじびびった
427以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:51:11.59 ID:RubnzY+g0
このスレしばらく見てると分かるけど才能ない奴は飽きて消えるよw
428以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:51:34.56 ID:3x3H9FV90
「今まで成長しなかった奴が
ちょっとしたことで化けるって事もあるんだぜ?」
後にヤムチャと名乗る者の残した言葉である

429以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:52:05.23 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>425
スルーされた絵どれ?(^w^)
430以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:52:14.23 ID:nblugXYI0
それヤムチャっていうかポップ
431898:2006/05/15(月) 00:52:38.46 ID:V8vR78370
>>408さんの絵を見て気持ち悪さ通り越して爆笑してしまいましたw
432以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:53:25.61 ID:eT3GGZDPO
コテ名乗る意味がわからんね
433以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:54:29.50 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
>>427
このスレ見てると
基本厨に萌え心が踏みにじられてる悲しい光景をみてしまうってことか?
まぁ、へたっぴーが描く萌え絵はマスかいてるのと同じかも知れんがな。
一人でこっそりやれってことか。orz
434以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:56:13.16 ID:m2HPgdhJ0
>>426
ん?>>410か?wID変わってるが
もし>>410だったらすごい奇跡だなwww
435以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:57:10.24 ID:3x3H9FV90
正直自分で才能ナシと思うが去年からずっと此処に居る俺orz
436以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:58:21.88 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>433
それを乗り越えてこそ、絵を見せるという事、認めさせることにつながるんじゃね?
がんばれよ
437以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 00:59:06.47 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
>>436
ごめん、やっぱ塗り絵に帰るわ
438以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:00:14.63 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
止めないが、描く事を嫌いになるなよ
439以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:02:03.89 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
判ったかい?>>401
こういう逃げている奴は突き放し、がんばって努力している奴はつぶしちゃ駄目なんだお
440以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:02:14.90 ID:nblugXYI0
文句言われることでいちいち筆投げていちゃ描いていられなくね?
441以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:02:48.60 ID:YTPjiP190
>409
虹彩の描き方は、好きにすりゃいいんじゃないかな。
正しく描けばいいってモノじゃないし。
とりあえず、好きな作家からパクれば?
442以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:02:50.69 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
>>438
大丈夫、漏れは絵を認めさせるためじゃなくて
萌えを感じてもらうために描いてるから
443以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:04:20.57 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>442
それが逃げていると言うんだけどな、まぁがんばれよ
444以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:05:16.86 ID:/AyrwSxy0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/Scan0027_1.jpg

体のラインの指摘が欲しかったので胸&服は透けています。
指摘・アドバイスよろしくお願いします。

追記
間違って比較用の前回の絵を消してしまいましたが際うpしてもいいのでしょうか?
445以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:06:26.82 ID:3x3H9FV90
ぶっちゃけ俺が絵を描いてるのは自己満だ
他人の意見は二の次。自分の萌える絵を描いてる
446以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:07:35.71 ID:5UThzfqL0
http://tnpt.net/uploader/src/up1239.jpg

便乗
可笑しなとこアドバイス願います
447以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:09:53.64 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>403
全然別の話じゃないか( ;^ω^)
全身を描く一方で手や足単体のスケッチや模写はいくらでもできるし
どっちかだけやれとは一言も言ってないぞ。
手だけ足だけをここで見せられても困るしな( ;^ω^)
でも手や足がポイントになる絵はあってもいいと思うな。
つーかここで全身描けーって言われるのは初心者はほとんど顔ばっかり
描いてるからで、手足ばっかり描いてたヤツってのはむしろ敬意を
はらっていい気がするwww

>406
いや10冊埋めるのは無理だろう( ;^ω^)いやいや世の中広いから
やるヤツはいるかもしれんけど。

練習すべきっつーか一回くらいやるもんだと思うけどなー。手ってものすごい
面白いしコレも前言ったか、使い方次第で絵にいろんな演出つけられるし
何より手足がきれいだと絵がすごく映えるよ。
448以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:11:04.48 ID:EXYi9cke0
きょぬーかけねぇえええええぇえぇぇぇえええorz
449以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:12:18.05 ID:V8vR78370
名前直しました。消すのめんどくさいしそのままでいいかなとか
思ったりもしたんですが、すいませんー。。

>>446 人の多さに感動。。ここまで多く描く気力が僕にはない。。ていうか描けないw

一番右の人物の脚が顕著に悪い気がします。骨折したように見えるのは僕だけですか;?
450以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:12:24.64 ID:3x3H9FV90
がんばれぇぇぇぇぇえぇぇぇぇぇえぇぇ
俺もきょぬ〜カコ・・・
451以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:13:13.01 ID:KcoPCC2s0
指摘ありがとうございます。
全体のバランスが良いのか悪いのか、バランスが良いのか悪いのか。
指摘が2つに分かれていましたが、やはりどれも満足には程遠い事ですね。
トレースしてアタリを取るバランスのつかみ方と、各パーツの練習を試して見ます。

毎回、進歩の無い似たような感じの絵ですが、頑張りたいと思います。
重ね重ねですが、ありがとうございました。
452以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:14:08.33 ID:4X5+vQao0
ひんぬー大好きだから楽なもんだ
453以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:15:10.77 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>447
んむ、だから諭し方、言い方にきをつけなと
そうは見えんが練習しているかもしれんし
ぼろかす言われる段階じゃないしょ、その人
やらないんじゃなくて、おそらく方法を知らないんだと思う
つぶす奴ではないっつーことを言いたかったのん
個人擁護しても仕方ないが、なんだか口挟みたくなってな
454以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:15:51.23 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
今日はじめて抱いた子は絵に描きたくなるようなひんぬーだった・・・
455以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:17:11.84 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>444
右向きのキャラが苦手なのかな?(^w^)重症なのはこっち(^w^)寸胴気味を表現したかったのかもしれないけど
バランス悪い(^w^)

向かって左のキャラの胸に愛(^w^)ヘソ位置と股のかねあいがおかしい(^w^)

向かって右のキャラはヘソ位置もうちょい上、挙げた腕の肩の筋肉がない(^w^)親指短い(^w^)
456以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:17:44.25 ID:V8vR78370
自分の描いた絵って自分で「これは萌える!」とか分かります?
分かる人って結構少ないと思うのですが。
457以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:19:10.04 ID:3x3H9FV90
その話題を持ち出すとすごいことになるよ
458以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:19:26.93 ID:eT3GGZDPO
>>443 絵柄意識的に変えてるのか?身体と顔が合ってない

>>446 文句なし
459以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:19:37.38 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
これは萌える!
↑を描くのが萌え絵なんだとオモテタよ。
これがないと描いてもしょうがないじゃん。
460以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:20:11.87 ID:5UThzfqL0
>>449
左から描いていったから多分集中力切れたんだと(ノД`)
もうこれでいいやーみたいな。。
461以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:23:04.97 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>456
プロも尼もそれを目指して猛進してるんしょ
萌え、という言葉で統一されているだけであって、個人の萌え要素は無限
一概にはいえんね
ただ、いくら絵が上手くかけたとしても、微妙なニュアンスを
理解できていない人は、描けないだろうな
462以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:23:39.76 ID:njy2xf2b0
>>453
というかパーマソは誰かを潰す気で喋ってたことなど無いように思うが。
正直言うと>>393はちょっと同じような段階で手を止めすぎだと俺もオモタ
もうちょっとじっくり落ち着いて描こうぜ

あと基本的に>>393って毎回模写だよね?違ったらスマソ
463以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:24:51.91 ID:mJaaNSmA0
あー、俺もそう思う。>>401は誰もつぶそうとしてないし、悪い事言ってないだろ。
どこをどう解釈すりゃ、そんな事になるんだよw
むしろ>>453、お前の方が失礼。
464以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:25:19.57 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>462
んむ、だから言い方(ry
続けてもしょうがないなw
次のステップへというのは同意だ
書くのが楽しい頃なんだろう
465以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:26:56.67 ID:eT3GGZDPO
ハードル下げの後は馴れ合いか
あんま引っ張る話題でも無い
466以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:27:13.03 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>427
飽きないってのは才能のかなりの部分を占めるからな。

>439
うーん、やる気ないヒトはやめたらいいと思うよ。上で言った通り努力して
上手くなりたい人はやめないよ。

>453
いやいや>393は相当上達してるよ。それを認めてるから言ってるの。
上達はしてるんだけど、明らかに注意に欠けてるから。
つーか全然ボロカスになんか言ってないだろ( ;^ω^)
むしろおれ>393はひいきしてるかもしれんwwww
467以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:28:14.15 ID:nblugXYI0
>446
斜めってるのはワザとなのか素なのか…
真ん中の二人、左腕長くね?つーか手前の子が引っ張ってるんじゃないのな…。

皆議論に熱中 そんな空気に俺が描いてうp
468以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:29:52.25 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>446
ざっと見ておかしい所はない(^w^)
次に粗探しの目で見ると、腕を曲げたキャラが、伸ばしたときはかなり長い腕になりそうな所(^w^)
向かって左から3つ目のキャラだけ他のキャラより俯瞰が入ってるっぽいけど・・・正直ワカンネ(^w^)
流石に一番右のキャラは内股杉(^w^)脚はいいとして足がすごい(^w^)
469以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:30:18.84 ID:KcoPCC2s0
模写の時もあるんだが、今回は模写では無かったんだ。
模写に戻ってよく見て描きたいと思います。
指摘を頂けるのは本当に有り難いです。
470以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:31:11.69 ID:eT3GGZDPO
身体はリアル系で顔だけデフォルメな絵は
見るに耐えない
471以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:31:19.79 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
例えば持ち込みなどでぼろかす言われて伸びるタイプと
褒めて育てるタイプといるとする
俺は褒めごろしてつぶすタイプかもしれんな、反省しとく
愛情表現も無限大いかんな歳取ると
>>466
そうか、よかったよ安心した 不快な思いさせたなら謝っておくよ
472以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:32:47.32 ID:eT3GGZDPO
模写なら重ねて透かして見ろ
なにひとつ重ならんとは思うが
473以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:33:10.32 ID:V8vR78370
今からお風呂に入りますー・・・て自分の生活実況してもつまんないので、投下。⌒ ヽ(´ー` ) ・・・・
この絵は>>9よりも前に描いて投稿するの忘れていたファイルです。線も整ってなくてすいません。。

http://www.moee.org/file/data/6.png

474以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:34:03.27 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>471
言っとくがフクちゃんは褒めて伸びるタイプだから間違えないようにな!
475以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:35:04.17 ID:njy2xf2b0
>>470
俺と知人はそういうのを通称「着ぐるみ絵」って呼んでる
http://
seriaya.minidns.net/taisou/tamariel3.JPG
476以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:36:24.85 ID:A3F0G0PQ0
しかし才能云々の話はうっとおしくてしゃあないな。
発展途上なのに余計なちゃちゃ入れんな。
477以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:37:37.48 ID:5UThzfqL0
>>467
>>468
指摘どうも
確かに左腕長っ(゜Д゜;)
478以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:39:11.52 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>466
お節介ついでにもうひとつだけゆるせw
同じ絵を描いていても上達は出来ない
次の段階へ進むといい、全体のバランスは見れるようになったから
手足だけ模写してみ?細部をもっと理解汁
とかな、言い方は山ほどある
自己のイライラをそのまま相手にぶつけるのも会話の手ではあるが
獅子の子教育タイプはその愛情が伝わらなかった折り、最悪の結果しか待ってないからね
言葉は大切にしたほうがいいお
479以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:40:07.49 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>475
ドキッとした(^w^)心臓に悪い(^w^)
480以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:40:24.80 ID:njy2xf2b0
>>473
右の娘、顔が少し上を向いてる(ように描こうとしてる)のに、アゴが前に出てない。顔の中心軸を描いてみよう

腕が思いっきり真っ直ぐだけど、超重い物を身体全体で引っ張る時ならともかく、
腕の力だけで何かを引っ張る時は、肘は曲げるのが普通。
481444:2006/05/15(月) 01:41:57.08 ID:/AyrwSxy0
あっ、ゾロメだ。しかも4の・・・縁起が悪いな・・・orz

>>455
右向きというよりも、斜め向きが苦手です。でも、弱イナバウアーは好きです(描けているかどうかはともかく)。
左の娘。
体に中心線を引いていたのですが、描いていて気が付きませんでした。確かに重症です。
右の娘。
へそ位置、次はばっちりです!挙げた腕の肩の筋肉をどのくらいつけると良いか悩みました。

女性の体の筋肉のバランスがいまいちつかみ取れず苦労してます。
一応前回の赤の参考に、自分なりに改良を加えてみたのですが・・・失敗に終わったみたいです・・・

今回も言われて気が付く反省点が沢山・・・
指摘ありがとうございます。
482以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:43:06.23 ID:6070s49l0
地震キター
483以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:43:15.88 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>481

きみは、そのくらいのポーズだからと脳内で描いてないか?
484以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:44:22.98 ID:3x3H9FV90
ん〜漏れのとこにもキタかも・・・
485以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:45:51.22 ID:A3F0G0PQ0
震源地 和歌山県北西部
発震時刻 2006/05/15 01:42:13.08
緯度 34.234N
経度 135.238E
深さ 3.6km
マグニチュード 4.2
486以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:46:07.96 ID:nblugXYI0
関西の人たちですか?
487以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:48:23.62 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>444
なーんか思いこみってよりはわけのわからんまま線引いてるって印象があるなあ。
輪郭も歪んでるし、ナナメ向いてる向かって左の子とほぼ正面の右の子と
鼻の位置がほぼ一緒ってのはまずいです><
右の子の左肩壊滅的だね( ;^ω^)
よく見ましょう。

>446
ラフだからかもしんないけど細かいトコおざなりなのが難と言えば難。
服や髪だけでなく、靴でも個性は出せるのでどの子がどんな靴はいてるのかを
ググり倒して考えると多分すごくいい。

おかしい所っていうと上げていくとキリないけど当面この調子でやってりゃいいんじゃないのかなー
いい絵だし。
あとものをよく見る。とにかくよく見る。
488以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:48:50.32 ID:6070s49l0
489以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:55:04.23 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
490以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 01:58:14.65 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
>>488
俺がいるwwwwwww
491444:2006/05/15(月) 02:00:45.47 ID:/AyrwSxy0
レス遅くてすみません。

>>458
自分宛てのレスっぽいので・・・

顔をかわいく描きたいと思い色々と試行錯誤しています。
ですので普段からこれだっ、と思うものが描けない限り変えています。
今回は前回の指摘でおでこが広いとあったため変えました。

>>483
脳内変換が強く出るために、立ちポーズくらいはと鏡を見ながら描きました。
これくらいのポーズでも描くのに一日かかってます。自分の画力の無さが憎いです・・・
492以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:01:45.56 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>488
どうやら俺の部屋に盗撮カメラが仕掛けてあるらしいな・・・

きょぬー描いたらバランスがorz
http://www.moee.org/file/data/1a.PNG
493以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:02:37.26 ID:nblugXYI0
>489
服のおかげで意見しづらいという声が…
特に腰から下がどうなっているのかわからん。デザインなのか脚なのかはっきりしてほしい。
とりあえず右足は逆アールになっていると思うぜ?
494以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:03:59.91 ID:V8vR78370
お風呂あがり(´・ω・`)/
>>480さん評価ありがとうございます。
なんか自分でも腕に違和感あるなと思ったら・・・なるほどそういうことでしたか。
心に留めておきます。
495以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:04:19.64 ID:jgcYD9wN0
>>492
胸にたまねぎ乗せているのかな?
496以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:05:44.20 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
>>493
確かにその通りですた。
顔のバランスとかは変じゃないだぜ?
497以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:06:59.77 ID:njy2xf2b0
>>492
いくら何でも重力に逆らいすぎw
498以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:07:41.06 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>489
スルーっつうか、何といっていいかわからん絵(^w^)
人体立体把握出来てるかはダボダボゴテゴテの服で分からんし、取り立てて顔が萌えるって訳でもないし(^w^)
かといって顔が不細工でもないし、なんともコメントしずらい(^w^)

どういったレスが欲しい?(^w^)
こうしたら萌えるとかのレスなら、俺は全裸描けとしか・・・(^w^)
499以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:10:21.46 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
ぱっと見うわぁwってところが無ければ満足
500以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:11:07.14 ID:njy2xf2b0
全裸は萌えないなぁ・・・
半裸かスケスケでおながいします
501以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:12:10.82 ID:YTPjiP190
>489
服でワカンネーとか思ったけど、
逆に腰の辺り(帯の下)、不自然に体にフィットしてない?
そのあたり、体のラインとしてもおかしい。
なんというか、ケツがもう少し上というか

>492
右の方が大きいよな。っていうか、
右腕おかしいのは胸メインだから気にしなくていいって話?
502以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:13:30.53 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
>>501
フィットしてるのはそのまま腰が見えてるから
503以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:13:51.09 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>499
んじゃおk(^w^)
504以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:14:10.12 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>491
きみが男性でも女性でも、現時点でも鏡の見方は
姿勢やアイレベルを意識しつつ記号としてポーズの形状把握をすべき
どの角度でどう姿勢が変動しているのかと、肢体の見え方
肉のつき方や、筋肉の動きは後でもいいから
身体のラインをシルエットとして覚えるのではなく、
立体としての面の向き、これを理解しようとすると伸びそうだ
立ちポーズに戻る とは、ラインを綺麗にする作業ではなく
面の見え方の練習でもあるからね
目は可愛くなってると思うよ
505以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:19:42.52 ID:nblugXYI0
>502
このデザインのおかげで色々わかりづらいからパッと見でいいんなら別におk。
個人的に野郎に萌える趣味はないから萌えんがな。
506以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:19:49.00 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>492
あんましキョニューでもないけどずいぶん前に描いた似たよな構図
http://www.moee.org/file/data/oppai.jpg
507以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:21:47.74 ID:XpwcZNb60
>>506
腕細くね?(^w^)
508以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:22:05.61 ID:655HOokJ0
細うで繁盛記?
509以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:23:12.70 ID:bTYzPpK90
http://www.moee.org/file/data/jk.jpg
寝る前に投下
変なところあったら指摘よろすく
510以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:23:44.10 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>507
細いのもアレだけど短いな( ;^ω^)
511以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:24:26.41 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>501
ホントだ・・・右腕ャバス

ん〜巨乳カツ乳首は斜め上を向いてるってのが描きたいんだよな・・・
言われてみればタマネギ
でも一応肉まんっぽい乳を意識した
512以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:25:59.62 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
たまねぎで思い出したけど、みかんは腐ると緑のゼリーになるぞ。
ぅん、どうでもいいね
513以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:26:40.74 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>506
マネしました(嘘
確かにイメージかなり近いんスけどもっと上向きの乳首にしたい
514以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:27:55.56 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>511
上向きチクビはロケットおぱい意識するといいかも知れんね
515以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:28:38.76 ID:655HOokJ0
>>509
ミシュランのアレみたいなボディかよ!
その足のポーズも自分で出来るかどうかやってみて。
516以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:29:00.91 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
サニーちゃん脚が好きです
517以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:29:28.53 ID:njy2xf2b0
>>511
乳首が上を「向いてる」のはいいんだけど
上に「付いてる」のが違和感の原因じゃね?
518以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:29:29.66 ID:rzNC6wRD0
519以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:30:54.20 ID:YTPjiP190
>502
あー、なるほど、そういう服か。スマソ。
だとすると、右側の腰のラインらしきものも腰そのもの?
だとするとこれはおかしいが。
520以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:33:16.38 ID:bTYzPpK90
>>515
あー
出来ないすね
今度から描く前に確認します
どうもです
521以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:33:36.25 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
>>519
腰のラインじゃないけど取り合えずいいたい事は分らずんば
522以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:34:54.84 ID:0tvYD/6r0
みんな>506について腕の事は言うけど
顔については何も思わないのか

俺は絵的にはこういう描き方もありだと思うけど
立体的にはかなり不気味だぞ?
523以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:34:59.56 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>514
ロケット型っていうのよく分からないんだけど
付け根が細くなって中間が太くて長いやつ?

>>517
もうチョイ下か・・・
試して見まス
524以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:36:36.07 ID:jgcYD9wN0
>>522
まあ顔についてあれこれ言うのはあれだけど

正直ビールっ腹の方が気になる
一時期流行ったっぽいけどね。
525以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:36:44.54 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
>>522
つまり人生にはいろいろ有るってことですね?
526以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:38:22.51 ID:nblugXYI0
顔とか正直言いづらいっすよ!
527以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:39:19.21 ID:3x3H9FV90
え!?>506って顔変なの?
個人的にはかなり好きなんだけど
ビールっ腹というか臍の位置が間違ってるとおもた
528以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:40:14.32 ID:655HOokJ0
>>522
フイギュアの原型師 乙
529以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:40:15.19 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>518
右乳首の下から出てる( ;^ω^)

でもずいぶん線が柔らかくなったなあーどんどん上手くなってるなー
530以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:40:17.59 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>523
おっぱいのラインとして、上の重力地を表現した線が高すぎるのと
下乳部分につぶれた具合が見れないから風船に見えちゃう
ロケットおっぱい でぐぐってみ理解できるぞう
おそらく、おわん型で意識LVがこびりついてそうだから、おっぱいの形態を
調べてみると面白いかもよ
>>522
昔の絵だし、どうこういえんだろう
俺は萌えたが
531以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:43:59.77 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>522
昔の絵っつーてもおれは基本的にここからたいして進歩してないので
どこがおかしいか言ってもらえるとありがたい
532以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:45:28.81 ID:0tvYD/6r0
>>506
絵柄、顔の造作って話じゃなくて
眉、鼻、口に対して目の位置がおかしくないか?
533444:2006/05/15(月) 02:46:45.46 ID:/AyrwSxy0
レス遅くてすみません。

>>487
訳の分からないまま線を引いてる・・・ちょっとショックです。でも言われてみるとそうなのかなぁ、
と思い当たる節もある訳で・・・観察力不足なのか、技術力が足りないのか・・・ずばり、どっちも
ですね。鏡見て描いたと言いましたが、自信なくなってきた・・・
輪郭の歪み。迷い線が消しきれていないということでおkですか?
斜め向きの顔を描いているとき鼻の位置の違和感が取れず、いつも気が付くと中央気味
に配置してます。これも正面向きをひたすら描いていた代償なのだろうか・・・まとめサイト
と他の方の絵を見て勉強します。
右の娘の肩。壊滅してますね・・・これは注意・観察不足でした。

指摘ありがとうございます。


次絵を晒すときは少し進歩した絵を晒せるように努力します。
指摘レスくれた方ありがとうございました。
534以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:46:57.50 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>530
なるほど、ロケットおっぱいワカタw
多分おれが描きたいと思った奴だ
確かにずっとひんぬー族だったから、描いてもCぐらいまでだった
ちょっと乳について調べてみます
興奮して今夜は寝れないな・・・
535以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:47:09.70 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>531
塗りでかなり存している、今ならわかるんじゃね?
位置関係は3Dとしてならへこみすぎな部分はあるが、萌え絵としてなら
○っしょ
536以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:48:49.42 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
チクビにも陥没や突起、梅干とかあるから知識も広めてみ
おっぱいは奇跡だよなw
537以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:50:25.55 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
俺はそんなこと生まれた瞬間から気づいてたぜ
538以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:51:23.94 ID:9Dt6EwGc0
539以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:52:06.25 ID:jgcYD9wN0
どんなおっぱいロードを歩んでもいいが、
行きついた先が奇乳ってのだけはご勘弁><
540以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:52:14.27 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>537
おまいはママンに謝れ!黒ずむ前の色素をかえしてよ!
541以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:53:17.73 ID:3x3H9FV90
今気付いた・・・
http://www.vipper.net/vip41133.png
542以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:54:36.74 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>538
発掘おっぱい大辞典は持ってるお
543以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:54:56.20 ID:RzrlLqbm0
カンフー先生久々に見た
544以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:55:24.53 ID:jgcYD9wN0
>>541
劇画調にするともっとエロ度が増す部分だなww
545以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:55:26.74 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
そこにすくい上げるように手を入れたい。両手で。女は両手を俺の肩に掛けてる感じで。
546以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:58:18.27 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>534
いやいや、基本を大切にしていることは良い事だよ
ただ、なぜ、立ちポーズだけ、このなれた角度や構図だけで描くということを
理解すれば良いのさ。
バランスはかなり進歩しているし、肉のつき方と、配置がまだ甘いだけ
上で言ったようにシルエットとして、形を表現しようとするから
立体としてありえない部分が出てくるわけ
鼻の位置も、ティッシュ箱に線でも描いて、アイレベルでどう線がうごくのかを見てみると良い
これで鏡を見るときにどう見ればよいのかが判ると思うよ
547以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 02:58:28.15 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>535
おれかなり偶然に頼った塗りをするから腹回りは今でも
何かの拍子に似たようなことすると思うwww
顔がどう立体的におかしいのかがわからんとです
いやまあ「ボク立体を意識して描いてないよ( ^ω^)」って公言して
コレ気にするのも何だけど

コレ何のネタ絵で描いたんだっけかな、今見ると珍しく自分で見て
可愛いく描けてるな( ;^ω^)
548以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:00:46.49 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>541
着目箇所ワロsw おまいさんは上向き好きなんだなぁ
549以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:01:45.81 ID:nblugXYI0
なんでこの時間帯になるとこんなに賑わうのか(ry
550以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:02:29.38 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
おっぱいがない、というのもおっぱいの種類のうちに入ると思うんですよ。
ぇえ、貧乳の事なんですけれどもね。
551以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:04:08.37 ID:jgcYD9wN0
正直腰〜尻ライン大好きの俺には
乳エロなんて副産物です
552以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:05:25.26 ID:0tvYD/6r0
俺は多少歪んでても>>506の絵は大いに萌えられる良い絵だと思う
だからあまり気にすることも無いと思うが
お前ら何故か顔の歪みには寛容だよな
身体については比率がとかデッサンが、とか位置がどうこうって
言うやつはいっぱいいるのに・・・この差は何?

553以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:06:11.75 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
だってそれは暗黙の了解だもの
554以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:08:13.53 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>547
例えば現状の萌え絵というか美少女系絵を3Dに起こそうとすると
かなりの確立でモデリングされる段階でどの絵師も破綻しちゃうんだよ
これは、顔特有のへこみ具合やシルエットが
360度再生させようとすると首や身体の形状として線で繋げなくなるんだ
なので萌えそのものとしての2D顔を3Dとして創造する折りの課題として
2.5Dがかなり深刻な問題として抱えている現状なんだよね
今度は逆に、3Dを意識しすぎた2D絵は平均化されてつまらなくなる諸刃
たぶん知らんほうがいいと思うお

あえて言うならば、目の位置が塗りでかなりくぼんだ位置にあるように見えている所
横から描いてみると判ると思うけど鼻がきもち前方に突き出して見えない?
気にするLvじゃないおw
555以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:08:45.28 ID:jgcYD9wN0
顔って難しいのよいろいろ。
556以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:09:03.29 ID:RaNQnXRr0
どうでもいいけどうpロダの方の>>473のサムネイル画像が・・・なんともイヤイヤーな雰囲気が出てて・・・
そこに萌えますた
557以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:09:41.95 ID:gy2R1VLV0
顔の歪みって絵柄によるとこもあるからな〜
>>506は俺的に気にならない、というか萌えるw
558以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:09:42.70 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>552
顔だけで言えば、昔の先駆者のいい所を育ててるからねぇ
これは日本人の宝かもしれん
559以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:11:23.82 ID:zZRED9Bb0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/rakugaki5_1.jpg
何故かこの時間帯人多いな・・・
まぁ、それはさておき
絵描こうと思って形とってみたんですけど
変なところありますかな
鞘の部分が小さいのはちょっとスルーしてくださいな

560以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:12:06.02 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
原秀則の絵柄とか見ると立体としては在りえない。でもそれは個性。
3Dで見たとき正しいかだけが絵じゃないという事で。基礎はそうだけど。
561以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:13:41.77 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
>>559
首から真下に線を引くとわかると思われ
562以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:15:04.18 ID:bTYzPpK90
http://www.moee.org/file/data/the_great_oppai.jpg
おっぱいと聞いて急いで描きますた
が遅れました
563以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:15:22.79 ID:3x3H9FV90
人増えた?
皆明日どうすんだろ?俺も人のこと言えんけど・・・
564以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:15:39.23 ID:jgcYD9wN0
>>559
丸と線を使った簡易骨で形とったほうがよくね?
565以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:15:50.84 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>559
それはどういう状態なのかplz
反復横飛びしているように見えるよ
566以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:16:34.97 ID:jgcYD9wN0
>>563
ファミ劇でなのは一挙放送見てるのな俺><
もすぐ寝る
567以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:17:05.85 ID:bTYzPpK90
明日8時半には家出ないといけないのに
それなのに
まぁいいけど
568以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:18:15.21 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
楽しいな今日、眠いが惜しい
569以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:18:23.42 ID:jgcYD9wN0
>>567
「家出ないと」が「家出しないと」に見えた・・・orz
もう限界だな。寝るす。
570以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:18:26.07 ID:nblugXYI0
描くといってしまった以上限界まで頑張ってみようと思っている
571以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:18:43.53 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
借りてきたスーパーマリオの映画おもすれー
そんな設定だったのかっていう
572以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:19:00.42 ID:rzNC6wRD0
>>529
右乳首の下から何が出てますか。

柔らかい描き方に憧れています( ^ω^)

>>543
(=゚ω゚)ノ
573以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:20:12.79 ID:zZRED9Bb0
>>561
んー、つまり肩が傾き過ぎということですかな

>>564
案外線と丸だと脇の場所とかわかりにくかったんで
すこし肉付けしたんですけどね

>>565
刀を持ってこれから斬るというとこの動作ですな
・・・反復横飛びにも見えますな

574以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:20:43.00 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
カンフー先生なんだか丸くなって
575以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:21:36.79 ID:rOkYbehJ0
>>559
ヘンになるのを気にしたら絵がしょぼくなるよ
とにかくもちょっと描いた後のをアップしてみよう
最初から最後まで見ててくんなきゃヤダーって印象をうけるんで
576以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:21:50.32 ID:Pj03oLtm0
>>573
>刀を持ってこれから斬るというとこの動作ですな
には見えなかった、残念ながら。
577以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:21:59.67 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>566
俺もかなりきつくなってきました・・・

>>571
もしかして恐竜出てくる奴?
アレおもしろすwなぜか主人公がルイージwww
578以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:22:45.00 ID:dyGlB9WGO
VIPPER全員集合!敵は40歳DQN社長

http://blog.livedoor.jp/taskoffice4/
579以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:23:58.03 ID:zZRED9Bb0
>>575

なるほど・・・まぁ、顔と服装書いて夜にうpしますわな
眠い・・・

>>576
そうかorz
残念
580以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:24:53.02 ID:JlnXA8Mh0
>>573
ということは、右足に重心を置くといいよ
重心を傾けると、上半身は腰から沈むし腕は力を抜くから利腕に
力がこもるようになる、もう一歩の手はそえてるだけとかね
居合い 剣道 などでぐぐるかして、見本を見ながら描くといいかもしれんね
脳内だけでは難しいよこれ
581以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:28:24.94 ID:zZRED9Bb0
>>580
アドバイスありです
脳内で描いてた俺がいる
右足か・・・
582以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:28:55.27 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
なんか右にある重たいものを引きずってるような感じに見える
583以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:34:25.58 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>572
右・乳首違うwwwwwwwwwww
右乳・首wwwwwwww
584以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:38:33.49 ID:zZRED9Bb0
>>582
まさかそれがうpろだで3人で300t引きずるとはね
585以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:39:02.47 ID:b7eRNXJa0
スレ乱立にご協力ください


http://science4.2ch.net/math/

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586以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:40:11.12 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
>>584
すまんw
587以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:41:15.51 ID:rzNC6wRD0
>>583
テラワロスwwwwwwww
んまあ、乳の処理に困ったんですよ。
おっぱい経験値が足らない。どうしようおっぱい。
588以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 03:53:00.66 ID:655HOokJ0
もしも俺におっぱいがあったなら
589 ◆muckEROv0Y :2006/05/15(月) 03:53:13.96 ID:3Q1zC+gl0
590以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 04:18:06.72 ID:rzNC6wRD0
591以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 04:32:12.01 ID:nblugXYI0
そろそろ限界を感じてきたぜ保守
592以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 04:46:58.05 ID:nblugXYI0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/junk_0024_1.jpg
描けば描くほど段々わからなくなってくるんだ…。こんな自分が恨めしい。
おかしいところいっぱいると思うんで赤・指摘おながいします。

寝たいけどほっていおいたらスレが落ちてそうな悪寒がする
593以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 05:03:45.79 ID:I5Jf5njT0
>>592
かなりかけてると思う。練習重ねればもっと上手くなるお。
パッと見たおかしい所は肘の骨格。自分の肘を見てみよう。
肩の筋肉もちょっとオカシイね。中に骨が入ってることを意識するといい
前傾姿勢の場合は背骨がも少し丸くなる。特に首と腰から下の位置は要注意。
背骨のライン取りをキチンとしていれば頭の位置ももっと自然になると思う。
女の子ならスネもちょっと太いかな?

描いてる時わからなくても、何日か置いて後から見返してみると結構分かることってあるよ。
パーツが描けるようになったら全体のバランスとか重心を考えてみるといい。
594以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 05:12:36.23 ID:UJGMudfr0
>>592
うん、いいんじゃない
左ふくらはぎの所から出てる線は、ただの汚れかなんかだよね?
595以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 05:24:35.34 ID:QH69flc70
>>592
おなじ格好をしてみましたが、太ももを前に出している状態で、
すねの部分をまっすぐにすることはできませんでした。
ですので、足(脚ではない)の位置をもう少し前にしてすねを斜めにしたほうがらしくなるかもしれません。
そうか、背中を丸めて腕を「ひざを抱え込む」ようなかたちにして足全体を固定するとか。

自分がそのポーズを出来ないだけで、見当違いのことを言っている可能性もありますので、
一度御自分で、おなじポーズをされるとよいのではないでしょうか。
596以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 05:53:21.93 ID:pF7tWKU90
597以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 06:11:01.53 ID:drNbHdJM0
>>592
赤させてもらいますた
http://www.moee.org/file/data/060515.jpg

描きたい人体バランスにもよるけど、多分腰の傾きがおかしいので
抱えた膝とその上の肘が合わないんだと思う。
あとは足の生えぎわがやや下すぎるかな?(これも人体バランスによるけど
モモと胴の間にできる空間を意識してみてください

赤は普通の体育座りを想定して、足の裏も座面と同じ平面上に接地させてます。
膝や足首を横に傾けたりしてるという意図だったら見当違いゴメソ
598以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 06:23:27.69 ID:drNbHdJM0
599以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 06:27:39.02 ID:y6JUy+2l0
600以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 06:40:16.03 ID:oyW8zedy0
>597
把握しやすい良い赤ですな。
絵描きたいけど仕事いかなー保守。
601以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 07:01:27.41 ID:drNbHdJM0
>>600
thx いてら〜

ついでに貼り 微エロ?
http://www.dotup.org/uploda/www.dotup.org0468.gif
一度でいいからこういうシチュエーションに遭遇したい

足むずいよ足orz 助けてplz
602以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 07:09:05.30 ID:drNbHdJM0
さすがに人いないか

ほっしゅ
603以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 07:15:31.77 ID:bTYzPpK90
いつの間にか寝てた
起きたついでに保守
604以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 07:20:10.73 ID:bTYzPpK90
上げないと落ちるね
605以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 07:23:37.68 ID:I5Jf5njT0
>>601
表情よく描けてんじゃん。萌えたお
お尻、腿、ふくらはぎのボリュームが棒みたい担っちゃってて残念
ちっちゃいお尻も魅力だが、女の子の骨盤て意外と大きいもんだよ
もっと膨らむところと細くなるところを意識して描き分けておくれ
肩から腕にかけてちょっとオカシイ。骨が妙な具合に曲がってる気が。
606以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 07:28:36.62 ID:y6JUy+2l0
>>601
素晴らしくエロい 表情が個人的にツボった
気になるのは腰から下のヴォリューム ちょっと頭と上半身に対して
骨盤が小さすぎて(ロリっぽく描こうと思ったらこれは誤差の範疇かも
しれんが 小さいお尻も萌えるし)、足も短めな気がする リアル人体は
肘から指先までと股関節から膝まで・膝からかかとまでが同じ長さで、
肩から肘までは肘から指の付け根くらいまでだ 萌え絵的デッサンでは
これに基づいて見た目おかしくない程度にいじればいいわけだな
というわけで、この絵においては足は長さを足してやればいいだろう
で、自分はおにゃのこでないので性差がわからんが、足はこんな
風にぺったりつかないと思う 膝とつま先で支えて少し浮く
あとはわりと些細な問題 髪が少々重そうなのでもう少し流れをつけるといい
それから、手の所作だな 少々指の表情が単純なので心情を考えつつ
変化させてみよう 萌え絵において手はかなり重要なパーツだと個人的には思う
607以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 07:42:06.02 ID:drNbHdJM0
>>605>>606
長文レス&指摘thx
小尻が好きなもんでいつも小さめになっていってしまうんだ(´・ω・`)
腰から膝へのラインはいつも悩む…いつになったら神の尻に到達できるんだろうかw
ボリューム差は微妙につけてはみたが、微妙すぎたか;
棒手足も好きなので中途半端になっちまったい
右肩はもちっと前だったかな 腕も脚も長さ適当だなw うぅ、精進しまつ(つД`)

>肘から指先までと股関節から膝まで・膝からかかとまでが同じ長さで、
>肩から肘までは肘から指の付け根くらいまでだ
これは初めて知った! いい目安になるな お得情報thx

足ペタ、髪、手のあたりももっとがんがってみるおー ありがたう
さぁ仕事だー
608以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 08:40:35.27 ID:y6JUy+2l0
606だが、実際に赤入れてみたお
http://www.moee.org/file/data/0468hosei.gif
ペンタブで線が描くのが苦手なので大半は変形に頼った
足はこんな感じだが、おにゃのこは足ペタが普通にできるのかもしれん
時々立つエロ画像スレとかで片っ端から画像落としてじっくり観察することをお勧めする
アレは意外と役に立つ 髪は少々重そうだと書いたが、実は重さも重要なので「自然な
流れ」ができていることが大切 端に行くほど動きが鋭くなっているのがお分かりだろうか
手の所作は、1分考えたがうまくまとまらんのでとりあえず飛ばした(ひでえ
これは萌え絵を数見ることで色々思いつくだろう いい手があったらスケッチしてみることだ
さて、俺も自分の絵を描こう
609以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 08:41:42.04 ID:ch8kJKfWO
おっぱい
610以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 08:56:32.03 ID:sMuVkXpGO
>>608
元絵がそうだからだろうけど胴体長すぎ。そして軟体動物すぎ
611以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 09:28:38.47 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
>>91
綺麗な絵ですね。

こっちは塗り絵&雑談スレっす
指摘や客観的技術の向上には、こちらでどうぞ。
「萌える絵の描き方教えてくれ 頼むから」
http://ex14.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4vip/1147536677/
612以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 09:28:58.84 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
>>611
ごめん誤爆
613以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 09:45:40.20 ID:3Jkl/bU90
保守
614以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 10:22:33.10 ID:y6JUy+2l0
ツッコミが入ったので再赤入れ
やり直している時点で説得力なんてない気もするが・・・
http://www.moee.org/file/data/0468hosei02.gif
胴が長めなのは>>601の画風と捉えている バランスの幅の範疇内だと思う
ただ前回の赤では骨盤が低すぎたので形を取り直した あとは少々体の捻りに
無理があった気がしたので傾きを修正 で、ウエストの位置にあわせて上腕部を
短くして、頭も少しだけ小さくした ついでに青で大まかな骨格も描いてみた
あと足は前回の赤よりもう少し寝かせられることが実演でわかった

一度ツッコミが入ったことから察せられるように俺の腕にも疑問があるので
もっと巧い人に赤を入れてほしいところだが、まあ時間帯の問題もあるか・・・
615以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 10:49:07.34 ID:Pj03oLtm0
足でかっ!
616以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 10:51:08.34 ID:k+veqcgS0
イヤァァァァァァァァァッ!!!!何枚描いても自分の絵がツマンネェェェェェェッ!!!!
見ていてまるで昂揚感がなiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!
617以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 10:52:25.55 ID:Pj03oLtm0
戦陣訓聞いて昂揚感を稼げww
618以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 10:55:16.07 ID:Uv+/Wcm/0
このスレだとあんまり話されないけど、ぱっと見で伝わるシチュエーションて大事だよな
例えば、>>601が無表情で服がなかったら、すごくつまんない
619以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 10:55:31.21 ID:UBYEmZw+0
環境音楽かけたりしてると微妙にタッチがかわったりするお
620以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 10:59:20.92 ID:4X5+vQao0
なんか極端な表情やポーズは描いてると恥ずかしくなってきていっつも微妙な表情になっちゃうんだよなぁ…
621以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 10:59:49.97 ID:nblugXYI0
>593
右肘が削れてますね。最後に直した部分でしたが直っていなかったようで。
最初アタリを取ったときにはもっと丸まった感じだったんですけど、
修正しているうちにそれがなくなってしまっていまいました。わからなくなった要因の一つです。

日にち置いた後の絵って見るの辛くね?www

>594
汚れてて申し訳ない… どれ指しているのかわかりませんが恐らく汚れです。

>595
確かに真っ直ぐにはなりませんね。確認不足でした。

>597
言えない… 最初左側ぐらいのバランスだったなんて言えない!
左のようなままだと足が短く見えたし、何より腰が変に感じたんです(´・ω・`)
以前より男っぽくなる傾向にあるようなので、そこに気づいて修正したんですが…。

皆、指摘ありがとう ちょっとだけ救われた気分になった。
またうpするお(^ω^)
622以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:02:55.26 ID:UBYEmZw+0
笑ってる顔かいてるときはニィィィッ 泣いてる顔ならメソメソするんだが皆は違うのか
623以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:08:38.11 ID:k+veqcgS0
萌描訓
本訓 其ノ二 萌エ絵観
萌エヲ貫クモノハ崇高ナル献身奉公ノ精神ナリ。
虹惨事ノ次元ヲ超越シ一意己ガ嫁ノ完遂ニ邁進スヘシ。
身心一切ノ力ヲ尽クシ、従容トシテ悠久ノ大義ニ生クルコトヲ悦ヒトスヘシ。


戦陣訓聞きながら、環境音楽聴いて、喜怒哀楽表しながら描いてみる
特にシチュを重要視してみるぽ
624以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:12:24.32 ID:sn3RIrE60
http://www.moee.org/file/data/1_78.jpg
俺も描いてみた。
アタリかラフかよく分からんけど、一個1分から2分くらい。
思いつくままに描くそれが萌えるってことだろ。
どうよ。
625以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:14:05.87 ID:Fv4b3MNV0
うんことしか
626以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:14:49.45 ID:7svOX5xLO
627以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:15:41.41 ID:3Jkl/bU90
>>626
業者乙
628以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:19:23.03 ID:WS4Gy4Hz0
>>624 顔がカエルっぽくて個人的には萌えないなあ
629以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:23:21.41 ID:k+veqcgS0
丁寧に描けば悪くなさそうなのに雑過ぎて、下手に見える
1分2分と言わずゆっくり、描こうぜ

漏れも思い付いたまま描いてるけど、萌えないものは萌えないよ(´・ω・`)
630以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:25:38.86 ID:3x3H9FV90
今起きた
昨日思ったんだけどカンフー先生って同人とか描いてない?
似てる絵柄の人どっかで見たんだけど・・・・
631以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:27:36.45 ID:3Jkl/bU90
空気読まないでちょっと聞くけど
誰かこの資料をもうちょっときれいなやつ持ってない?
http://www.moee.org/file/data/1039624174129_2.jpg
632以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:31:53.90 ID:Mq5jpoB+0
>>624
>思いつくままに描くそれが萌えるってことだろ
それが真実の一面であることは同意する。
その絵がラフだとして、本線はどうなるのか続きがみたい。
俺は蛙顔けっこうすきだぞ。
633以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 11:58:24.17 ID:3Jkl/bU90
それにしても脳内で作ったものを紙に出すってむずいな
634以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:00:23.57 ID:x3CpAk2v0
腸内でつくったものをトイレに出してくる
635以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:04:52.02 ID:3x3H9FV90
俺は巣内で造った(ry
636以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:06:45.83 ID:3Jkl/bU90
胸の丸みがどうしてもうまくかけない俺は失格ですか?
637以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:06:50.46 ID:F8478SWC0
>>635
紙にしか出してないよな
638以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:19:40.75 ID:3x3H9FV90
モニターにぶっかけ派
639以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:21:53.80 ID:J4dpVyOR0
( ゚д゚ )
640以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:23:28.72 ID:rzNC6wRD0
おはぃょぅ(=゚ω゚)ノ

>>630
昔ちょろっとゲスト原稿描いたことはあるけど、
同人は描いてないですよ( ^ω^)
641以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:32:53.11 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>640
あッそうなんスか・・・
なんかカラー表紙で見たような気がしたんで聞いてみました
というかプロじゃなかったんですね
ふつーにプロの人と思ってました
642以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:40:32.29 ID:Uv+/Wcm/0
個人特定につながる話は避けたほうがいいんじゃね。一応ここVIPだし。
643以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:40:43.69 ID:sn3RIrE60
http://www.moee.org/file/data/2_25.jpg
>>632
描いてくとこんな感じかな。
左のキャラが微妙におかしいけど、思いつくままってことで。
644以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:44:59.95 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>637
暇なので
http://www.vipper.net/vip41181.jpg
後処理が大変なんだよな・・・
645以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:50:50.76 ID:JOGBKdhL0
この絵のまたのラインの体ライン赤お願いできますか?
私の絵じゃないですけどちょっと気になりまして
http://www.uploda.org/uporg390863.jpg
646以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:58:04.05 ID:sn3RIrE60
>>645
赤じゃないけどカモシカみたいな股してるんじゃね?

ってか、これなんかで見たことある気がする。
647以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 12:58:36.43 ID:JOGBKdhL0
>>646
某3Dエロゲの原画です
648以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 13:00:00.98 ID:4X5+vQao0
アレか… 3Dより2D絵のが断然可愛いのが困りものだ
649以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 13:04:30.36 ID:GzdT3wKO0
他人の絵はやめとけと何度言(ry
650以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 13:06:20.22 ID:JOGBKdhL0
や、本気で股がわからないからこのスレならと

すいませんでした
651以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 13:12:03.80 ID:Uv+/Wcm/0
>>648
3Dの方は断然エロ杉。実にけしからん。
652以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 13:41:50.59 ID:3D0ALLlq0
hoshu
653以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 13:45:10.23 ID:SnE0Y9F90
プリンスホテルの従業員がモー娘に対してちょっとmixiに書いただけなのに
その情報を聞いたヲタが
「愛ちゃんを侮辱するなんて許せない!プリンスの従業員を辞めさせよう!」
なんて自己中な計画を立ててるお( ^ω^)

最近のヲタはテレ東に人骨が送ったりどうかしてるお( ^ω^)
自分がとんでもないことをしてる事を分からせるためにも

このスレに
高橋と藤本が昨日プリンスホテルにいたそうだが
http://ex11.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/morningcoffee/1147658125/

「S木A純テラカワイスwww高橋?藤本?今はA純でしょwww」

と書き込んでほしいお( ^ω^)
654以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:02:19.68 ID:oY0llaKB0
>>601
コソーリ(;´Д`)つttp://www.moee.org/file/data/org0468a.jpg
狙ってなければ足はあまりパース利かせすぎないほうがかわゆいとおも
655以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:09:16.80 ID:M5eO9VZZ0
もしかしてフォトショってペン入れにむいていない?
ツールに文句言うのは駄目だと思うんだけど、あまりにも辛い
656以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:13:55.53 ID:J4dpVyOR0
フォトショはそもそも写真とかをいじるものだから
絵を一から描くには向いてないよ
PainterとかopenCanvasとかSAIとかの方が良いかも
657以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:16:31.24 ID:e2et7nl40
フォトショでパスも使わずに綺麗にペン入れしてる人もいるけど
向いてるか向いてないかで言えば、明らかにSAIとかのほうが向いてる
658以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:19:19.98 ID:oY0llaKB0
>>654
ちょっと直した
659以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:20:36.69 ID:oY0llaKB0
個人的には今のとこSAIが主線かきには一番と思った
PSD保存が出来るようになってからは使用頻度がすごい上がった
660以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:20:51.06 ID:xtHDuD/50
>>655
向いてないが、慣れだな
癖がわかればきれいな線が引けるようになる
当然だがタブレット必須
661以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:33:24.99 ID:M5eO9VZZ0
レスthxです
やっぱ不向きなのか
でもやればできるのか
ウチの環境だとocもsaiも使えないのでがんばりつつ
軽くてペン入れにむいてるソフト探してみます
662以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:51:37.01 ID:GVjX7+590
ほしゅ
663以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 14:58:57.67 ID:D+iGlAmF0
ホトソップが使えてSAIが使えない環境ってどんなん?
664以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:02:41.96 ID:6ZwrW4LM0
俺ラフも下描きもペン入れもタブでフォトショなんだけど
どっちもSAIのが使いやすいので?
もしそうなら塗り以外は乗り換えようと思うんだけど・・・
ラフはブラシオプションサイズ透明度ONの乗算にして
鉛筆で塗り重ねたり強く描いたら濃くなるような感じ出してやってるんだけど・・・
665以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:04:02.79 ID:ch8kJKfWO
ホトソ3とか4とかとか
666以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:04:59.02 ID:M5eO9VZZ0
>>663
osが古いんすorz
667以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:10:35.33 ID:6ZwrW4LM0
フォトショだとアナログペン入れと違って
見当違いのとこに引いたりぶれたりが多いから
なかなか思い通りの線が引けないのがつらいんだよね
簡単に消して引いてができるのはいいんだけど
668以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:26:26.55 ID:M5eO9VZZ0
やっぱ慣れるためには、描くしかないんだよな
669以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:31:15.29 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>664
不自由なく使えてるならかまわないと思うよ。
SAIとペインタのホトソップと一番違うのは線とかより原稿用紙回して描けるってところ。
むしろコレが強みじゃないか。

あとまあSAIもペインタ同様線よりむしろ塗りに特化したツールなので
そっちでもイロイロ遊べるんじゃないの。

>666
…ガンバレ( ;^ω^)
670以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:40:08.94 ID:6ZwrW4LM0
>>669
え、何その原稿回しとかすごくない?
動作的にはどうなんですか?軽いとか重いとか
あと手ブレ補正あるって話聞いたんだけどどのくらい補正してくれんですか?
671以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:41:31.05 ID:e2et7nl40
ペインターはともかくSAIは今んとこ無料(試用版)なんだから
入れてみりゃいいじゃん(^ω^;)
672以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:45:47.93 ID:GVjX7+590
>>670
> あと手ブレ補正あるって話聞いたんだけどどのくらい補正してくれんですか?
アユのデジカメくらいかな♪(≧∇≦)
673以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:53:04.15 ID:6ZwrW4LM0
あれ、無料だったんですか・・・
なんか7000いくらとかどっかで見たような気が・・・
じゃあ早速試してみますわ、d
674以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 15:56:52.20 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>670
SAIは軽さが売りみたいなもんだから。どんなに筆のサイズ大きくしても
引っかかったことすらない。

おれ補正嫌いで切ってるからよくワカンネwwwwww
675以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:05:04.85 ID:6070s49l0
原稿回し?タブレットをまわすんですか
676以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:06:36.01 ID:e2et7nl40
('A`;)
677以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:06:51.02 ID:GVjX7+590
描いてる画面が回る
678以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:14:51.07 ID:QgcpozJU0
俺がまわる
679以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:19:29.49 ID:wk3yJhXg0
SAIは買う気がないなら使わん方がいいぞ。
買う気はないままフリーだからと使い続け、
SAIに慣れてしまうと製品化された時に困るw
それがKOJIの狙いなのかもしれんがwww
まあ税込み5250円ほどだから買っても安いし。
680以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:22:27.64 ID:J4dpVyOR0
削除してインストール繰り返せば
フリーの方幾らでも使えるんじゃないか
681以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:28:53.53 ID:wk3yJhXg0
SAIの場合、それは非常に困難な仕様になっているのだ。
OSの再インストしても無理。詳しくはSAIスレ読んでみておくれ。
682以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:31:45.02 ID:6ZwrW4LM0
線画とラフだけとはいえ使い勝手が良くて
5kちょいなら買う価値はあるんで
とりあえずラフガシガシ描いてペン入れ試してみるわー
683以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:33:30.11 ID:lWNtTeoF0
>>681
レジストリから削除しても駄目ってわけか?
684以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:37:39.15 ID:M5eO9VZZ0
酔拳てむずかしーね
チェケラッチョみたくなっちゃうよ
685以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:38:33.54 ID:wk3yJhXg0
>>683
そう言うことになるかな。
不正使用を防ぐ為の処理をかなり厳しくやってんのよ。
その為に弊害も出ているようだが製品版でどうなるかは謎。
ちょっとスレ違い気味になってきたか…スマソ。
686以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:39:21.88 ID:BrxBEQ5P0
>>684
似たようなもんじゃね?wwwwww
687以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:42:13.68 ID:J4dpVyOR0
18版辺りでは出来た気がすんだけどなー
製品版はWinGrooveみたいなプロテクション掛かっちゃうのかな
688以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:43:49.02 ID:QgcpozJU0
使いたきゃ買えばいいだけ
もうやめておけ
689以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:45:14.87 ID:lWNtTeoF0
2、8、10、16進の相互変換だけ覚えときゃなんとかなる
690以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:56:47.47 ID:oY0llaKB0
とりあえずバージョンアップを製品化まで1ヶ月以内にやってくれればいうことはない
691以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 16:58:13.71 ID:lWNtTeoF0
>>689は誤爆orz
692以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:02:37.50 ID:VAGBr/0o0
おい!
今日保健の先生に俺の絵怖がられたぞ!orz
693以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:04:02.99 ID:GVjX7+590
>>692
うpしろwwwwwwwwww
694以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:04:09.47 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>692
そこでうpですよ
695以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:04:25.73 ID:lWNtTeoF0
>>692
とりあえずその絵うp
696以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:07:58.95 ID:VAGBr/0o0
いや、どうってことない斜めから見た絵だけど顔も何も描いてなくて
ただ立ってるだけだったから不気味だったっぽい。
日本史の先生が授業進めるのめっちゃ遅かったからノート取りつつ暇つぶしに描てただけ
697以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:19:34.16 ID:I5Jf5njT0
保険の先生にって所に期待したのに
698以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:19:45.80 ID:ya8SOFAU0
文で説明するより、絵をうpしたほうが
699以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:35:05.69 ID:655HOokJ0
ちんぽっ保
700以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:42:00.87 ID:GScLvmyd0
あの〜質問なんですがみなさんは最初誰の画風を真似して描いていましたか?
自分はいまいちこれだ!というのが無くて・・・
701以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:45:27.93 ID:lWNtTeoF0
>>700
るろおと高野音彦

自分が描きたいタイプの画風の絵師を真似ればいんじゃね?
702以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:46:13.02 ID:lWNtTeoF0
塗りスレまた落ちた…
703以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:52:47.88 ID:6070s49l0
樋上いたるだと何度いわs(ry
704以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:55:09.42 ID:lWNtTeoF0
いたるって今絵描きの仕事してんの?やおいがどうとか聞いたけど
705以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 17:56:07.62 ID:6070s49l0
BLゲームの原画やってますw
706以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:00:07.29 ID:lWNtTeoF0
>>705
今見てきた。面影NEEEEEEEEEEE!
なんで顔でかくないんだ!
707以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:07:19.31 ID:rzNC6wRD0
>>700
貞本義行氏、寿司氏→草河遊也氏→アリスソフトのKaren氏とか色々

どういう方向性の絵を描きたいかによって、色々な絵描きの絵を見るのがいいよ。
リンク集とか今は便利なものもあるし。
708以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:12:25.27 ID:Z3uhs6fW0
うpろうと思ったら
こないだ再インストールした時からスキャナ繋がってなかったのに気づく
709以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:22:04.20 ID:Jd9peobD0
>>700
天野こずえ

教本買おうと思うんだけ↓どうよ?
http://www.amazon.co.jp/exec/obidos/ASIN/4766116534/ref=ase_moeeorg-22/503-1597842-4026347
体もまともに書けない初心者です。
710以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:32:10.20 ID:QgcpozJU0
初心者向けってかいてるし良いんじゃないすかね

個人的には自分はこうしてるって言える状態になってから他人との差異について
考えてくのが良いのではと考えてます
711以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:32:45.05 ID:rzNC6wRD0
>>709
いい本ですよ。丁寧だし。
だけどその本、頭身に関してノータッチなのが気になる。
ハムとかホガースも併せて読んだ方が良いと思いますお( ^ω^)
712以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:37:24.49 ID:UhzAB8aa0
ニートはいいよな 一日中描けるんだし うらやましいよ
713以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:39:36.33 ID:GVjX7+590
いいないいな
ニートっていいな
714以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:40:40.76 ID:GdfJmRng0
>>700
橋本タカシ。
715以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 18:46:44.67 ID:Jd9peobD0
>>710
>>711
d
スーパーマンガデッサン注文したわ
ハム&ホガースも金入ったら買ってみるね^^
716以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:04:09.70 ID:M5eO9VZZ0
ほしゅ

探せば意外と古いマシンに優しいツールってあるもんやね
717以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:04:24.79 ID:pNvrenBZ0
角消し買ってきた。
これ面白いわ。
718以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:07:11.65 ID:GScLvmyd0
レスサンクスです
>>701
高野音彦さんは私も画集持ってるくらい大好きです
・・・でもなんか画風が別次元だから参考には厳しいですねorz

>>707
リンク集あったんですか?情報サンクスです


ほんと自分の画風持ってる人羨ましいですね
俺なんか目を描いた時点で「なんか違う・・・」とか・・・
がんばって試行錯誤してみます
719以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:26:06.96 ID:M5eO9VZZ0
ほしゅ
720以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:26:43.93 ID:oY0llaKB0
そのうちかいてりゃだれだって出来るもんだとおも
721以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:28:17.11 ID:UhzAB8aa0
ニートの利点を挙げてくれ 思いをはせたい
722以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:30:48.36 ID:Z3uhs6fW0
http://www.moee.org/file/data/A001.jpg

活発でいたずら好きな女の子 というイメージで描いたのですが
男の子に見えてしかたありません
ちんこが無いから女 と言う程度のような気がするのですがどうでしょうか
バランス等、指摘お願いします
723以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:36:10.09 ID:nblugXYI0
レントン!レントンじゃないか!
724以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:36:19.92 ID:pbL44WZB0
そんなことより足がキモい
人間に見えない
725以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:41:14.19 ID:M/lzTxaB0
>>722
この髪型は実際にありえない少年漫画の主人公特有の記号だから
そう見えるんじゃないのかな。
これ位の歳の子は男女区別付かないし。
髪型をおかっぱとか、三つ編みとかにすれば
たぶんいたずら好きの女の子に見える。

話し変わるけど手足細すぎ、小さすぎね?
726以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:42:26.60 ID:sn3RIrE60
>>722
ぱっと見口が女の子のそれではない。
目つきが悪い。
髪型がゴクウっぽい。
肩と鎖骨だけリアルなのも違和感がある。
重心も悪い。
727以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:43:07.54 ID:/XeWWnTB0
SAIで線画を描く時、
うまく強弱が付けれなくて
いつもボソボソした線にしてしまうんですが、
どういう設定・ペンの使い方にしたら良いですかね?
728以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:43:36.88 ID:Uv+/Wcm/0
>>722
男っぽい、とまず思ったのは髪質・髪型かな
ホルモンの関係で、女の髪は普通は男より細くしなやかだから・・・
つまりツンツン頭は男っぽいってわけだ
体は他の人にまかせた
729以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:43:37.08 ID:x0bWYgSj0
髪型がレントン
730以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:43:41.00 ID:UhzAB8aa0
もう言いたい放題だな・・
731以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:44:16.56 ID:LL4gQOZN0
朝方、別の教えて系のスレに置いたら誘導されたのでこちらに貼り
色塗ってあって赤とかしにくいだろうけど指摘お願い
http://www.vipper.org/vip256034.jpg
732以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:45:07.43 ID:rzNC6wRD0
>>722
男に見える理由としては、肩幅>腰幅だからとうのが、一番大きい原因かと。
あとは筋肉のつきかたが男っぽいのも理由にあげられるかも。

自信のない部分が小さくなる病になってるので、完成したら絵を1メートル離して眺めてみるといいよ。
特に脚がヤバスで、多分苦手なんだと思うけど、描く前に頭身図ればある程度は防げるはず。
733以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:45:28.77 ID:CK4Gfczn0
右肩からひじにかけてが短い
734以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:47:01.62 ID:BrxBEQ5P0
>>723
せめてエドと言ってやれ・・・

>>727
最小ブラシ径を0%にしてる以外は特に何もしてない
735以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:48:45.25 ID:oY0llaKB0
>>731
首肩の筋肉(そうぼうきん)を少なめに、首も細めに
肩幅と肩の筋肉ももうちょっと華奢に
基本華奢に作ったほうがよい

>>731
すごい太ももだな
下半身ピザだ後色々立体感にかける
736以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:49:26.40 ID:/XeWWnTB0
>>734
私も最小ブラシ径0にしてるんですけどね・・・
ペンの硬さとか太さとかはどうしてます?
737以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:49:28.02 ID:BrxBEQ5P0
>>731
肌色それだけ明るくするなら、下の髑髏も
もう少し明るい部分あったほうが良くね?
あと髪の塗りが平坦にも程があるとオモタ
738以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 19:52:19.00 ID:YV5n1gCF0
(´・ω・`)やあ
ぜひとも君たちの画家パワーを見せつけて欲しい。



今、Vipperで糞スレを撲滅する運動をしている。
本日の撲滅対象はここだ。
http://life7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/psy/1147622321/

↑このスレにVipperからのメッセージを自由に書いて欲しい。それを1000getまで続けるのだ。
もし、何を書いて良いか分からないのなら、

ξ゚听)ξ「また糞スレ立ててるよ、このセックスヤリまくりの創価学会員2世が!」
( ^ω^)「さっさと氏ねばいいお。画家パワーは強いお」
 』 
と書き込みをしてもらいたい。ぬるぽ名前欄には「Mocc#Mai」と必ず書いて欲しい。

最後にいっておこう
Vipperの画家パワーは世界の隅々まで広がるだろう。
739722:2006/05/15(月) 19:57:35.81 ID:Z3uhs6fW0
女の子らしい髪型と手足の長さ太さ、女性らしい体のラインあたりに気をつけて
頑張って修正し、また新しい絵を描いたら批評貰いに来たいと思います
ありがとうございました
740以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:00:53.07 ID:rzNC6wRD0
>>731
右手の角度から推察するに、肘から下は画面手前に存在することになるはず。
その関節の描き方だと、まるで真横に腕が出ているようで不自然だお( ^ω^)

肩幅が広いのは個性として、腕の短さはちょっと。
腕を下ろしたときに、股と手首の関節が同じくらいの高さにあるのが適正。

ふくらはぎに比べて、太股の太さが際立ってる。
このキャラクタを立たせると大変なことになるお( ^ω^)

あと、キャラクタと第三者、この場合だと漏れ達の目が合ってなくね?ちょっと上を見てるみたいな。
どういう雰囲気を出したいのか考えて描かないと、謎な絵が出来上がってしまう。

原田たけひと風の絵柄なら、もうちょっと皺を減らした方がそれっぽいかも。
741以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:01:18.03 ID:js1sF6IvO
742以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:01:34.68 ID:LL4gQOZN0
>>735
何故二回にわけるw
もっと華奢かー把握
下半身が異次元だとは感じていたんだが、ピザだったからなのかな
立体感は塗りをもっと頑張るよ・・・

>>737
確かに髑髏も明るい方がいいね
髪はおっしゃる通りです・・・

画面右中間に空間が開いてしまったんだけど、
あまり物を増やしたくないときってどうすりゃいいんだろ
743以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:02:28.33 ID:MM9n/Fhx0
鎌の柄が(ry
744以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:02:37.66 ID:FRfpYPV20
745722:2006/05/15(月) 20:05:49.60 ID:oY0llaKB0
スマン上の方安価ミス
上の731→>>722

>>742
おマイサンの立体感云々は塗りどうこうだけじゃないよ
746以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:17:04.30 ID:LL4gQOZN0
>>740
細かい指摘サンクス

>>745
線画とかモロモロ含めてだよな・・・そうだよな

リアルで人に見せても、それでいいんじゃねって感じで指摘とかもらえないから
いろいろ言ってもらえるのは くやしい!・・・でも、ありがたいクリムゾン状態ですよ
747以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:22:23.52 ID:3x3H9FV90
今キタクw
疲れたが絵を描くのだけは譲れない

大黒日本代表に選ばれたんだ・・・ちょっと意外
748以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:24:57.37 ID:ljM4MJGV0
今北
一時期荒れてたから見てなかったんだが
落ち着いたみたいだな
749以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:29:18.06 ID:pNvrenBZ0
そうでもないよ
750以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:30:37.16 ID:QgcpozJU0
荒れ狂ってるからカエレ
751以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:33:22.95 ID:3x3H9FV90
此処=荒れるっていうイメージが定着してるな^ω^;
752以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:36:02.22 ID:k+veqcgS0
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.      ! -'" ,r''"・`,  'ー―--゛= :::::::::::,' ̄i
      l  ム-''" j         ::::::::::j  j
      ,ri     ノ          ::::::::| ノ
俺様も帰宅
最近、ワロタン来てないから議論レスは少なくなってはいるかもね
753以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:39:27.27 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>752
FUZIKI久々に見たww
いい意味での議論はよくあるよ
754以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:48:05.33 ID:k+veqcgS0
ほぼ毎日何かしら書き込んではいるんだけど、最近は伏兵状態だた
藤木AA貼るとうpしても指摘が「卑怯だよ」で終わったり、
人違いで持て囃された挙句に地獄に突き落とされたり、
レスしてもスルーされたりと悲しいことが続いて使ってなかった
無個性が一番ナーダ
755以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:50:06.80 ID:QgcpozJU0
ほんとに無個性がいいならそういうのイラネんじゃね
756以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:52:17.36 ID:ljM4MJGV0
冗談抜きで妹スレ全部消えて欲しいんだが
757以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:52:53.63 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>722が女の子に見えないのは髪と口のせいというのがちょと疑問なのでやってみた
http://www.7-iro.org/file/data/Untitled2.jpg
やってみたはいいがこれ女の子に見えるかどうか我ながら疑問

ついでに思いついた「手がポイント」の絵
http://www.7-iro.org/file/data/Untitled1.jpg
陸上部の大会の一コマ?みたいな?
758以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:53:14.29 ID:ljM4MJGV0
ごめ>>756誤爆
スレ汚しスマン
759以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:55:02.16 ID:gTGUY3vd0
エド思い出した、ビバップの。
760以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:57:52.74 ID:MM9n/Fhx0
>>757
そういう疑問ならむしろ髪と口はそのままで
手に表情をつけたものを試し描きしてみたほうがいいんじゃね?
761以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:57:58.52 ID:oY0llaKB0
>>757
俺もアレは体のシルエットのもんだいだとおもった
しかしいつもいい絵を描きますな(*´д`*)
ホレボレ
少し左肩が・・・ゲフンゲフン
762以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 20:58:55.57 ID:y6JUy+2l0
>>757
中澤一登好き?
763以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:02:06.44 ID:k+veqcgS0
>755
ごめん、ほんとはちょっとはかまって欲しい

ここに馴れ合いを求めてる訳ではないけど、漏れにとって絵を描くってことは孤独すぎる
当初は「俺様は絵描きだ」って言ってたリアルの知人等を頼ろうと思ってたんだけど、
いざ勉強し始めたらどいつも「俺絵描きじゃねーし」とか態度覆されて、一人ぽっち
そんな漏れにとってここの存在は助けになる

まあ、最近は藤木つけてもつけなくてもどうでも良いってのが本音
764以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:02:20.81 ID:3x3H9FV90
>>754
そうなのか・・・
FZIKIと同期だから何気に親近感わいてて、最近見なかったから卒業しちゃったのかとおもた
765以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:04:23.00 ID:oY0llaKB0
>>763
そういうときこそここやSNSが活きて来るんではないかと
とりあえずモレがいるぞ(*´д`*)
766以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:05:01.48 ID:Uv+/Wcm/0
なんていうかさ、「活発でいたずら好きな」ていう設定がすでに男寄りだからしょうがなくね?
極端な例で言えば、「六尺ガチムチな」と付いたら、どう頑張っても女にならんだろ
767以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:06:08.53 ID:x0bWYgSj0
「ボーイッシュ」「活発」「明るい」「いたずら」「ショートヘア」「ボサボサ」「運動好き」

もうね、この記号だけでおなかいっぱい
768以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:07:12.40 ID:x3CpAk2v0
>731
鎌の刃が刃に見えない。なんか鈍器に見える(鈍器だったらすまん)
背景の色と混じったのか、黒っぽい輪郭線がでて、それが影に見えてる→そこに面がある感じがする
刃がファンタジーな軽い物質でもないかぎりこの角度&持つ位置なら画面右側に
倒れようとするはずだからもっと力入れて持ってる感じにしたほうがよくね?

フトモモは俺も太すぎというか上下に幅ありすぎだと思った
769以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:07:50.32 ID:3x3H9FV90
出来ればそこに「微・ツンデレ」と「一人称がボク」も入れて欲しい
770以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:10:05.12 ID:nblugXYI0
そこでクマトラですよ
771以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:11:10.55 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>760
下の絵は>447までさかのぼる>722とは全然別に思いついた絵なのごめん( ;^ω^)

>762
ごめん知らない( ;^ω^)
772以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:11:34.97 ID:k+veqcgS0
>764-765
貴方達の子供を産みたい
でででも、勘違いしないでよねっ1馴れ合うつもりはn(ry
下手な癖にスランプ気味だったけど、今日は良い絵が描ける気がしてきた
773以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:12:08.91 ID:x3CpAk2v0
>757
この年代ってリアルなら髪型としぐさを揃えたら男女区別つかないから
疑問ってくらいが正解絵なんじゃないかと思ったりもする
774以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:13:14.69 ID:nblugXYI0
女の子っていうのは昔っから女の子なんだよ的な言葉があるぜ?
775以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:13:54.60 ID:oY0llaKB0
まあカタツムリじゃないからなあ
776以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:16:35.82 ID:BrxBEQ5P0
>>757
どう見てもエドです 本当にあr

♪ぼくのこいぬが〜
777以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:18:03.53 ID:M5eO9VZZ0
>>757
したのカワイス
778以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:19:11.92 ID:ZA1E50Ox0
ここの指摘は、知識や見る目が中途半端な人の「思い込み」先行な部分が結構多いから
「○○がおかしい」って断言してるようなものでも、安易に鵜呑みにしないことを勧める
779以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:21:50.70 ID:MM9n/Fhx0
情報の取捨選択ができないやつは、そもそも2chがむいてない
780以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:27:06.35 ID:D+iGlAmF0
>762
ググったらこの人の仕事けっこう見てる( ;^ω^)
あとコレttp://www.style.fm/as/04_watch/watch19_1.shtml見ると
かなり趣味が似ててチョイワロタ
781以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:33:49.73 ID:y6JUy+2l0
>>780
そっか いや、顔の描き方似ててさらににこんな表情のつけ方するのよ
782以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:35:45.25 ID:nblugXYI0
見てる…?そんな疑問はさておき 塗りスレがまた落ちてんだけどwwwwwwwwwwww
783以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:36:47.45 ID:Bll7nNy+0
>>757
↓の絵「手がポイント」なわりにいろいろおかしすぎないか?
前側の手は肘の位置からここまでカメラに寄れなそう。
腰に当ててる手もちゃんとあたってない。
右肩の腋の線がそこまで伸びるのも構造理解して描いてたら
ありえない。
一番気になったのが顔面がハメコミ合成みたいなとこ。

上手いと思うからキツめにいろいろ書いてみました。
784以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:39:42.25 ID:V9HFN8uz0
>>782
ヒント:(その人の作ったアニメを)結構見てる
785以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:45:03.06 ID:oY0llaKB0
>>783
気持ちはわかるが前の手は多少おかしくてもこのくらいないとこの絵は面白みがない気がするぞ
まあおかしいというとこは同意する

786以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:47:36.47 ID:3x3H9FV90
どうでもいいが脇の下って描くのムズイな・・・
787以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:51:18.24 ID:nblugXYI0
>784
ヒント:ありがとう

>786
あるある
788以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:53:49.83 ID:J4dpVyOR0
輪郭線以外にも線を引かなきゃいけないところは
リアルに描くのが少し難しいな
789以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:56:50.77 ID:x3CpAk2v0
俺みたいに理想の絵が藤子Fな人だったら見栄えのする記号化でいいんだけど
リアルとなるとキツいよな
790以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:59:41.84 ID:k+veqcgS0
昨日だか一昨日の「キグルミ絵」についてもっと聞いておけば良かったと後悔している
791以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 21:59:58.83 ID:sn3RIrE60
>>786
脇は人間の体でもっとも複雑に稼動する部分だぞ。
難しくて当然。
ポイントとしては、肩の骨は鎖骨と水平にしか曲がらないことと、背中から後ろには曲げれないこと。
それを超える稼動は、肩の回転と鎖骨の上下で対応してる。
792以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 22:04:41.78 ID:k+veqcgS0
もしかしたら、漏れがキグルミ絵かもしれなくて良くないことなのかとビクビクしてる
別に悪いことではないのかな?

後、「跡=@」でSNSヨロピコ魔神
793以下、名無しにかわりましてVIPがお送りします:2006/05/15(月) 22:05:33.33 ID:wTgU9QoO0
ttp://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader160361.jpg
ttp://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader160537.jpg
ttp://up2.viploader.net/pic/src/viploader160541.jpg

真正面、なんとか人には見えないこともないような気がしてきた
真横むずいよ真横
794milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:07:56.60 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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795milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:07:57.41 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
796milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:07:57.81 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
797milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:07:58.20 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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798milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:07:59.01 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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799milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:07:59.40 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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800milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:07:59.80 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
801milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:00.12 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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802milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:00.54 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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803milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:00.95 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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804milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:07:58.60 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
805milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:01.35 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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806milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:01.79 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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807milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:02.08 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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808milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:02.48 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
809milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:03.26 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
810milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:03.67 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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811milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:04.08 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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812milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:04.47 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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813milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:04.85 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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814milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:05.25 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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815milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:05.67 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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816milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:06.10 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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817milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:06.47 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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818milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:06.93 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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819milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:07.25 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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820milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:07.67 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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821milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:08.05 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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822milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:08.45 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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823milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:08.75 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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824milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:09.15 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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825milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:09.59 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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826milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:10.08 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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827milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:10.45 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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828milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:10.78 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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829milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:11.18 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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830milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:11.60 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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831milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:12.06 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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832milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:12.43 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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833milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:12.79 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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834milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:13.10 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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835milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:13.53 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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836milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:13.91 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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837milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:14.32 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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838milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:14.72 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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839milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:15.11 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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840milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:15.41 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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841milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:15.82 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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842milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:16.22 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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843milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:16.62 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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844milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:17.02 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
845milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:17.42 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
846milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:17.85 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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        ..,,;;iiiiiillllllllllllllllllllll゙゙゙           ゙゙゙lllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll''''''゙
847milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:18.23 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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848milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:18.63 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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849milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:18.95 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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850milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:19.33 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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851milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:19.77 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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852milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:20.05 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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853milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:20.47 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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854milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:20.85 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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855milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:21.25 ID:Kr0Qp3940
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856milky:2006/05/15(月) 22:08:21.66 ID:Kr0Qp3940
>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1>>1
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857milky
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