英語でコミュニケーションできない医師は三流２

Hey,Guys!
We're so happy that you join in this thread again.
Let's get started!

I'd suggest that the official language in this thread be
English. How about this proposal?

スレタイが日本語のままなのは、なんでだろーなんでだろー♪

>>3
That is because they are in series. Don't you think of it as reasonable?

NO, not at all.

I'm looking for some mailing lists or newsgroups to discuss the issues
of medical care in English. I'd glad that you would give me some information.
Thanks.

Try to challenge the quiz in this site!
http://www.nepeanicu.org/Mystery.htm

>>6
Though I've seeked into the newsgroups of sci.med.*, I haven't yet
seen so a fluent pen as I expected. That is the same in English as
in Japanese.

Huh... There were many places to discuss medical issues in 1990's.
I wonder the Internet communication got ordinary, and few medical
people can keep their interests to discuss the issues in the Inter-
net.

和製英語度が８０を越えています。

It is headach for many medical stuffs that almost all patiens have less or no media literacy.

> I have always had BP in the 115-140/65-75 range (average probably 125/75).
> A few years ago, I was placed on Atenolol because of mild high/borderline
> BP. I have exercised and lost weight in order to get off the medication b/c
> of the side effects. My BP is currently in the 130-115/65-80 range w/o
> meds. I was told that the new limits for BP are 120/80? Is there empirical
> research to suggest these new lowered standards? Do you have the citations?
> I try not to be skeptical and think that the lowered standards are more
> about pharmaceutical business than health. What are the risks associated
> with untreated BP in the 125/80 range? Thanks in advance.
What would you answer the question, guys?

>>11
You mean most patients do not get information from the media rightly,
or the media does not give them right information about medical care?
The media is supposed to serve too much information for viewers to
digest it.

>11
和製英語度が95を越えています。

この事件は報道されていません。教育委員会も校長を処分しません。
　皆様の力でこの事件を広めてください。
被害者先生のサイト
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　　 ∧＿∧
　　（　　＾＾ ）＜ ひろめよう

Japansie mediae donet massi malfunktionit informatos uver rieseatus conformatis.
Piploas malcognitete factum medicus Japanse.

>>16
定冠詞も不定冠詞もなくて使いやすそうな言葉でつね。何語でつか？

>>16
独製羅語かな。

Nipponu mediapa ature tattou piginau janbiavo tottushai chudoiu.
Pituraa pinunshke chiritu iryanu Nipponuu.

前スレ　　英語でコミュニケーションできない医師は三流
http://society.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/hosp/1057690961/l50

>>17
Without articles, you could not express some situations in Indo-European
languages.

Indo?

>>22
Haven't you heard of Indo-European languages?

印度はIndoじゃねえし、なんだろ？

>>24
None of your tricks with me!

>>24
Nann ha Indo de kuee!

>>21
白雉か、喪前?
ラテン語に、冠詞があるかよ。illeは、冠詞じゃねえぞ。hocもだ。
勉強し直せ、ラテン語は解剖学でやったろうが。狂娑柔凸禁を、ラテン語で習ったろう?

古典語で冠詞があるのは、ギリシャ語のホ･ヘ･トンだけだぞ。
たしか、サンスクリットにもペルシャ語にもなかったと思うが、ヒッタイト語は、知らんがな。

インドヨーロッパ語には、冠詞がある;ﾊﾞｶもほどほどにしとけ。
カエサルが泣くぞ。

＞＞１６オランダ語
＞＞１９タガログ語
Am I wrong?

キッセイ薬品のＣＭで幼稚園くらいの男の子が童謡を歌っていた、それが
何語か未だに分からない、、、、１０年くらい前のことと思うが
「ヴェードウドウ、イバニステイクエーホ（注）、ヴェードウドウ、イタスティケフ。
イッタストウニコラ、ヴェスティコヤイ。ヴェードウドウ、イバニステイクエーホ（注）、
ヴェードウドウ、イタスティケフ。」
こういう音だったような気がする。
注は、フランス語のエル（Ｒ）の発音のごとき咽喉音。
仏独語とは異なる、感じからは、ハンガリー語またはチェコ語、セルビア語のような
東欧語、または北欧語（？）。
もし知っている人がいたら教えてくだされ。

>>28

>>16は俗ラテン語の一変形のような気がする（ようするに方言）
>>19は日本語＋漢語でなおかつ膠着語らしいこと以外はわからない。もしかすると抱合語かも。

＞＞３０
Merci beaucoup!!
１９はひょっとしてアイヌ語または琉球語？（間違ってたら怒られそうだが）

This KATSURA is not mine. It's not my stile. It belong to Dick.
Dick,Odura.Tv caster of Tokudane.
He's the guy who tried to ban 2channel because he feels that
2channel diminishes the intelligence of our youth.
Come on ,Dick.
It's the only education we've got.

Dick is a bad man.So we'll punish him.

Peace out!

Sir32.What's your name?

>>27
http://www.polyglot.jp/polyglot2/backnumber/kanshi/kanshi1.htm

SMA-Station emphasized Japanese people are poor at speaking and listening
in English. I guess, however, that there are no Japanese doctors who stall
at the immigration office.

Godwin's Law: prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the
probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There
is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over,
and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was
in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an
upper bound on thread length in those groups.

謝謝!
ルーマニア語の後置冠詞こともちゃんとかいてある。
いいページを教えてくれて、ありがとう。

>>37
感謝されるほどじゃないんだけれど、なんで、冠詞だけでもこれだけの使い方が
あるのやら．．．人間の言語中枢の柔軟性というか、好みなのかねえ．．．

Oh, dear.

まもなくこのスレを
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5Ksx1fyL　
d5ziaj0H　
AJOv+HuE

などがアゲたりするかも

はろー、さんきゅ、べりマッチ。

あなたバカでしょ＞ ID:1fmZXYki

>>41
＞Ｙｏｕ’ｒｅ　植える米
>>42
フフフ、君がね。

>>42-43
お互いをバカにするのも英語でやって欲しいな。

>>44
Okay.We'll then mock together in English.
NWgz83XB,you too.

>>44
Shame on you deeply!

兇徒の探索医療センター
F享受は名古屋弁で英語を訳そうとする
とてもとても奇妙　笑
尊大な名古屋弁で　女どもを「馬鹿ども」と言う

60 Things Not to Say to a Naked Guy

1. I've smoked fatter joints than that.
2. Ahh, it's cute.
3. Who circumcised you?
4. Why don't we just cuddle?
5. You know they have surgery to fix that.
6. It's more fun to look at.
7. Make it dance.
8. You know, there's a tower in Italy like that.
9. Can I paint a smiley face on that?
10. It looks like a night crawler.
11. Wow, and your feet are so big.
12. My last boyfriend was 4'' bigger.
13. It's ok, we'll work around it.
14. Is this a mild or a spicy Slim Jim?
15. Eww, there's an inch worm on your thigh.
16. Will it squeak if I squeeze it?
17. Oh no, a flash headache.
18. (giggle and point)
19. Can I be honest with you?
20. My 8-year-old brother has one like that.
21. Let me go get my tweezers.
22. How sweet, you brought incense.
23. This explains your car.
24. You must be a growing boy.
25. Maybe if we water it, it'll grow.
26. Thanks, I needed a toothpick.
27. Are you one of those pygmies?
28. Have you ever thought of working in a sideshow?
29. Every heard of clearasil?
30. All right, a treasure hunt!

31. I didn't know they came that small.
32. Why is God punishing you?
33. At least this won't take long.
34. I never saw one like that before.
35. What do you call this?
36. But it still works, right?
37. Damn, I hate baby-sitting.
38. It looks so unused.
39. Do you take steroids?
40. I hear excessive masturbation shrinks it.
41. Maybe it looks better in natural light.
42. Why don't we skip right to the cigarettes?
43. Oh, I didn't know you were in an accident.
44. Did you date Lorena Bobbitt?
45. Aww, it's hiding.
46. Are you cold?
47. If you get me real drunk first.
48. Is that an optical illusion?
49. What is that?
50. I'll go get the ketchup for your french fry.
51. Were you neutered?
52. It's a good thing you have so many other talents.
53. Does it come with an air pump?
54. So this is why you're supposed to judge people on personality.
55. Where are the puppet strings?
56. Your big gun is more like a BB gun.
57. Look, it fits my Barbie clothes.
58. Never mind, why bother.
59. Is that a second belly button?
60. Where's the rest of it?

If you can explain why each of the 60 sentences above is funny,
I will give you a big prize!

Milaia mama, nezhnaia. Mi tak lubili tebia.
No vse nashi sili. potracheni zria
Tebia soblaznila. Nasha rodimaia.
Ti sam vo vsem vinovat.

　
　>>48 I have no idea.

Why do you think the Japanese can't speak or listen to English?
Lack of education system?
If you stay United States for a year, you may be able to speak English fruently?
However,A lot of the Japanese that goes back say that as soon as we get back to
their regular life style in Japan, we don't use any English and we soon forget. (Gush!)
It is difficult for us to quite English pronunciation,especially,consonnant(Shiin).
Surely, you have to practice in pronucing. You also need to listen to a lot more live
English, for example, English radio program,AFN,and CNN....

That's all.

NOVA行き出しました。
試験の結果７Bというクラスでした（上から1.2.3.4.5.6.7A.7B.7C)。
一番下は７Cでアルファベットも知らないレベルとのことです。

鬱だ死のう。。。ちなみにうちの病棟の茄子は7Aでした。。。煎ってきます。

Friend of mine is pure "TEXAN" It is not the name of medicine of the
urology department, he is an American guy speaking English with a
heavy provincial accent, just like "Tohoku-ben" or "kagoshima-ben"　
by the case of Japan.
But any problem cannot be found in conversation with him.
Now, internationalization is needed for all doctor,
but I think that the most important point is capability of communication.

>>53
Mas vale tarde que nunca. No se ponga triste. !Animese!
A usted le deseo grandes adelantos y muchas prosperidades.

Texan guy is American not Japanese.It's like Osakan in Tokyo.
Since he speaks English there're no communication problems with
Americans.
I think Japanese should start with pronauncing and stop studying by
deconstructing sentence to components.
While English S-V-O consequence differs from Japanese one(S-O-V),it is
crucial to get the tip of using SVO sentence before learning any
other things.Pronouncing English also can acquire accent ability.
In speaking any language there're certain kind of accentation that
natives feel cozy and don't.
I think as accentation of sentence is by far minimized
in Japanese education, we can't "speak" English.
But I don't regard the situation pessimistic because I utterly
agree with the "capability of communication" is the core matter
of communication and as Japanese are also human on the earth we
communicate each other to live just like English speaking people
do,and they'll soon know that "English speaking ability"does not
always correspond to the man's intelligence.
(We should be able to anyway.)

ここはいったい何のスレなんですか？

>>57
http://www.nhk.or.jp/kids/eigo/

>>57
For the people who enjoy communication in English.

せめて主語と述語は欲しいな。

>>53
They'll underestimate your English because you will have to
learn longer and they'll get more money from you.

>>60
The length of sentenses in current English is getting shorter.
I'd recommend you to see e.g. news://sci.med.* .

>>53　…　医者ですか？
　　　　　大学入試…英語は無かったんですか？
　　　　　
　　　　　
　　　　　

学生の時（15年程前）にTOEICのスコアーが875ですた。
今はたぶん600点取れるかどうかだと思いまつ。

それでも、うちの病院では「英語ができるセンセ」だと思われてまつ。
今日もフィリピンパブでpractical Englishを勉強しに逝ってきまつ。

>>64 Don't be silly!　
You got 875 scores when U was undergraduated student!?
Really!? If so, congratulation.

I just wonder how many doctors can understand English.
Well...OK! If foreigner come to your office, say
"Ouch!Mmmmm.... I have diarrhea.... P...Please...give me
binding medicines!",and you are poor at English,
what are you doing? You might think " Diah...rrehea!?
what's mean? ...Maybe... diamonds!? He means he swallowed
them!?"(Too bad!)

Philippine goverment under negotiation of FTA say that
Japanses goverment should take Philippine nurses like
United States. If we take them, doctors need to speak
English more and more.

I'll be back !

　
　>>59
　　
　　all for one, one for all

Gaverment ov tha piipl bai tha piipl for tha piipl.

定冠詞は da (あるいはde) の方がいいな

>>67
もしかして、エスペラント？

>>67

Government of the people, by the people, for the people

(from Gettysburg Address)

>>63
読み書きできれば医師になれるもんな。話すのと聞くのは受験には関係なかったね。
センター試験でListeningは採用されるようだけれど。
If you can read and write in English, you will be able to be a medical
doctor. The entrance exam of medical school did not include listening
and speaking in English. The new National Center Test for University
Admissions, however, is likely to adopt the listening exam.

>>69
>67はエスペラントではないようだ。ピジンじゃないの?

それにしてもエスペラントにはむかつくな。あれは、「インドヨーロッパ」語だろ。
語彙表や文法を見てみろよ。東亜の言語には、一切関心を示してないことがはっきりしてる。

そんなもんを世界語にしようだなんて、吐き気がするぜ。

日本人が英語に拒否反応を示している間に、三流国に転落だ．．．

During Meiji era, Japanese establishment used to be good at English, but not good at Japanese.

>>74
冠詞と単/複数の用法が崩れた、Japanese-based Englishの見本です。

>>74
What do you mean your "establishment"? Authority or something?
However, it makes sense, doesn't it?

>>72
あの似非世界語は、私も嫌いです。なにより、色気がないし。＞エスペラント
英語を共通語として使ってればいいとおもうのですが。

世界を侵略・征服し、日本語を世界の共通語にしようという気概のある者は
いないのかね？　そしたら世界中で朝食にみそ汁が食えるんだぞ。スバラシー
ではないか。

>>78
You could have Yoshinoya's in the every large city around the
world.
First, you'll have to fight against the US again. US troops,however,
have had many military bases in Japan. What tactics do you have under
such circumstances?

Let's begin from Pearl Harbor first!

>>80
Huh, neither any fleets nor flying corps of SDF would be able
to get there, I guess. They are part of US troops acturally.

とっておきの情報です！ヤフーオークションの検索に

バブル崩壊！

と入れると凄い情報が見られます。
友達から聞き早速私も落札してしまいました！
落札しなくても見られる無料情報もありましたよ！！もちろん中身はもっとすごい情報でした。
とりあえずウォッチリストに入れておけばいつでも見られますね。
ただすごい人気なので、あっという間に落札されてしまうので早いもの勝ちですが・・・。
出品者の方も迅速で安心できる方でした。かなりお薦めです！

http://auctions.yahoo.co.jp/

Oh, Of course I knew that, but I value the beauty of the JAPANESE style.^^
mmm...I want a UDN syndrome to spread in the world
because I am a vegetarian.

>>83
Though your attempt to change dietary habits could help US people,
the news today said that low carbohydrate diet is popular now in the US,
and flour and pasta producers had serious damage from that. Thereby, I
doubt that Japanese dietary style can be adopted by them.

>>78
Translated I Japanese-based English.

Isn't there who that has wish to invade and conquer world and, make Japanese language
as world's lingua franca?
Then we can eat miso-soup around the world, it's so cool, isn't it?

When skilled ALT’s read or listen to Japanese-English Creole, they will
realize how Japanese people think. I’m afraid that there are few people
who thankfully correct our wrong English usage. Many foreigners become
reticent or quit to communicate with us when we are not communicate
with them fluently in English.

都心、特に空港周辺の病院、診療所の医師なら英語くらいできんと
困りますね．

ばかばっかかとおもうとったらKITTYGUYもいたわけね。。。

>>87
講談社から、「英語で話す医療ハンドブック　Getting Medical Aid in English」
監修：東京海上記念診療所　黒田基子著　\1,300 という本が出版されています。
アメリカの医療保険制度や対応の違いなども、読んで面白い一冊。
ぜひご参考に。

>>89
持っているし、だいだい読んだ。しかし日常臨床に役に立つとは思えないし、
これで留学、FMG合格できるとは思えない。

>>90
その通り。確かに海外旅行／短期滞在者向きレベルです。
しかし、医師が全員このレベルを完全にクリアしているとお考えでしょうか？

>>91
旅行用の英会話集だけで、実際旅行中、困らなかった旅行者がいるかな？

うーん、どうだろ。欧州やアメリカの人は日本人より親切で優しい人が
多かったので、あまり困らなかったけど。

>>77
あれ、覚えやすいよ。
そこら辺のDQNの茶髪アンちゃんに英語とエスペラントのどっち
教えるのが楽？　って訊かれたら、やっぱりエスペラントじゃな
いかなぁ？
要するに、慣用的なものを排除した差なんだろうけどね。

>>93
まさか、ガイドさんとか、運転手、ショップの店員とかの話？
機内のＣＡですら、しゃべれない日本人と思うと、すごく冷たいよ。
一般人は非常に差別的だ、ってことも分からないかもしれないが．．．

パターン処置はできるが、きめ細かい接遇は苦手かな(苦笑

留学してからいえよ。

>>96
M.D.って肩書きが付いてからの失言は厳しいな。

Hey! Let's do debate & crossfire in English!

ここはひとつ
学術的記載はラテン語または漢文
コミュニケーションは英語
ってことで良いじゃないですか。

>>95
田舎のおじさんとかおばさんの話だけど？　もしかしてどこ行っても
優しくしてもらえるのは俺のキャラクターのせい？

>>99
Gotcha! Then what would you like to talk?

>>100
You should have said "I've got one hundred!" in English.

>>102
Whatever....Upper sled's guy (100) already fixed.(-"-)

なんかアメリカの即ヤリ掲示板みたいな文章ばっかでつね、ここ。

"即ヤリ"って、日本語でどういう意味？

fast spear

>>104
"sled" means a small sleigh? Is he stuck in the ice?

>>104
O.I.C. That was a spelling error. Thank you for the indication.

>>105
The length of sentences written in Japanese in this message
board is not so long, almost in one or two columns. I don't
think the sentences in English in this thread is almost the
same, not so different on length.

Language A: Tar pyamash tet gau zasday ne ovneg zaha.
Language B: Beigi witabanu ko shuremi dadari sa.
Language C: Apshnekihardagio weteworkkinoshita ar.
Language D: Pu deir han kuikui sutu ruike chagu mada.

>>109
No problem. Everyone makes such a mistake.

どんな口がthreadをsledと書いてスペリングミスとか言うのか

>>113
Are you weird? Or adhensional guy?
You are more suitable for the proofreading person than a doctor.
Go publishing company of madical document(laugh

>>113
Huh, you should have said that in English. You can read a
document in English, but can not write what you want to say
in English. Then you must not blame the others.

>>94
そうしたバカ香具師らに、まず教えないといけないのは日本語。

>>116
Would-be medical doctors should have some room for English in their
brains. That's not an excuse not to learn English.

itteyoshi = I let you die.
omaemona- = So do you.

CNN already reported an epidemic of flu in the US a month ago.
However, Japanese media do it now. The delay of information is
the very problem.

Oh, exhausted...

>>118
itteyoshi = Please pass away
omaemona- = you too far away!

Suck me!

What part of yours?

Ｐｌｅａｓｅ　ｓｕｃｋ　ｍｙ　ｔｈｕｍｂ．

expansion hoodはextensor hoodと同義だけど、どちらがメジャーですか？
extensor hoodの方が通じると思うんだけど、どう？？

>>121
行ってよし＝Please pass away．
逝ってよし＝I let you die.

"Extensor Expansion Hood" is formal.

How about the risk of SARS mass infection?

Have you heard of SARS epidemic in East Asia?

逝ってよし＝I let you die.に対して、
"I let"だから、オマエモナーはSo do you. じゃなくてSo do I.が
正しいですか？ネイティヴな方おながいします

I heard the Chinese government has recently paid a lot of money for
that.

逝くをdieとしちゃって疑わないのが、俺らと文学者
の差なんだろうな。

I'd let you going off?

あなたならどうされますか?
Correct my English plz.

>>132
日本語の感覚と英語の感覚が違うなあ。Leave here now! Get out! ってこと
なのかな？　殺してもいいって意味なら、I could kill you.なんだろうけれど。

The Chinese administration would attempt to find SARS patients
in the initial stage of the epidemic, wouldn't she?

>>126まあ、ほんとに英語力がねーな。
Pass awayは、「死んじまう」のeuphonyだって。
遠くに行く=死ぬ、ってことが滲みこんでるのが「逝ってよし」なんだろ。
まさにpass awayだろう。

>>134
だから、日本語でどう意図で言いたいのかが分からん。

>日本語でどう意図で
is making no sense.

>>134 Write in English.
You can pass away.


So can I.(oremona-

Sorry,wrong number.I meant >>135.
I will pass away.(ittekimasu
Anyway thanks 133!

I don't know the difference between "行ってよし" and "逝ってよし." in
Japanese. >>126's opinion is these are the same in meaning, but the
expression is different in Japanese, thereby she/he would change the
expression in English, I guess.

How do you say "ぞぬ" in English?

>>140
Like this, "Zonu".
Maybe, you'd have to ask with "what" instead of "how".

Then, what does it mean "ぞぬ" in Japanese?

可能「ぞぬ」就是弐號台上的偶像狗児的意志。

×意志 〇意思
對不起、我要逝去。

It is ridiculous that the Japanese troops that is sent to Iraq is
called SDF, Self Defence Force. That should be called the Japanese Army.
It sounds like Japanese Agricultural Corporation, though.

If the Japanese Army killed many inocent Iraqi there in a
confused situation, many Japanese soldiers would suffer
in the minds as well as the US soldiers at the Vietnam war.

JRA：What stands for JRA.
Japanese reacing asociation? No!
JRA is widely known as Japanese Red Army.

The Israeli will never forget what JRA did in Tel-Avivt airport.
The Japanese army sent to Iraq helps them indirectly to support the
US troops that attack their enemy. That's a mysterious fatality,
isn't it?

Are you saying Japanese army has something to do with JRA??? Ridiculous!
Around 70% of Japanese considers the situation as mortal mistake,not fatal,
yet I regard it as a wise decision.I hope all those non-democratic governments
on the earth will somehow be "ABORNED" during this century.
Think if Osama Bin-Raden got nukes-- how do we stop him use that!?

Have the US troops found any mass destruction weapons in Iraq?
What's the justice of the war? Do you have an idea to solve the
the issue of pollution by depleted uranium shells?

How is the Japanese government supposed to treat the soldiers of SDF
who exposed irradiation from the depleted uranium shells? They would
inhale small particles of DU.

えいご

What are you using the abbreviation for upper endoscopy?
I saw the word EGD in a magazine. Is it usual?

I think that "GF" is common abbreviaion.
However, how the abbreviation influence on your
clinical practice?

upper gastric series?

>>151
Unless indivual soldiers sleep holding the residual of the
DU, risk factors for radiation induced malignancy, bone marrow
depression, and other adverse sequele will be estiated to be
not significant.

>>155
"Upper GastroIntestinal (UGI) series" is appropriate term.

What about the risks of inhalation, Like those in Okinawa?
They must have used it so microparticles of DU still remain
in the environment,dont they?
Fetal abnormality or the rate of specific neoplasms is apparently
higher in those citizens who have envolned in the galf war and
there surely are the relasionship of the DU shells which American
army have used at that time.

SIsAboCP←COOL

>>154
Thank you for your quick response. It does not affect my work
which abbreviation is true, but that is important when I send
letters to other doctors.
For example, EGD is shown in the NIH site.
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/upperendoscopy/index.htm

>>157
"Upper GI series" means a kind of radiological exam, I guess.

>>158
I'm afraid that I don't understand the fist and second paragraph.
You don't deny the effect of DU shells to the environment, do you?

>>162
>the fist and second paragraph
訳：「鉄拳段落と2番目の段落」
面白い英語表現を、ありがとう。

>>163
You could have brought your comment more jokey if you had written it
in English. It's a pity.

>>163
Damn! How captious YOU are! You're an anybody.

>>165
So what, fucker?

Probably, the SDF headquater would continue physical exams of their
soldiers for years after they come back from Iraq: incidence rate of
respiratory tract cancer, leukemia, malignant lymphoma and other kinds
of cancer. In addition, psychiatric exam will be performed because
it's the first time to send troops abroad.

We've got'im!

I wish the US troops would arrest the Prime Minister Koizumi as well
as Saddam in any reasons. Japanese people would be pleased with their
mission.

That's right.
I wish they'd also set GHQ again to make a new constitution.

In my opinion, the US government attempts for other nations to fight
against each other in Asia and Middle East. If they unite each other,
they would be the large enemy to the US, then the US know that.
Japan should unite with China and other nations in Asia. I do not know
why the nations in Asia and Middle East have to hate each other.

If you say that you can unite with China, please visit there and
see that country first.

>>172
Have you been there? You mean the nation is not worth making
an allied forces?

Absolutely.
You can't negotiate with Chinese, can you???
You are maybe staying in tiny islands and never dream of going out
there,but once you get out you'll know there're many different ways of
thinking and kinds of people.You should study about China more.
I wonder why those so-colled "foreign minister" is made of non-
returnee staffs;that directly means they turns into a bunch of idiots
in international negotiation.
The earth is not "only Japanese",is it?

We don’t need to negotiate with the delegates of China in Chinese,
because the nation is ruled typically by bureaucracy, and because they
are the elites who speak English fluently. You know what the US thinks
now and in future; No other large nations and alliance are NOT necessary
and bothersome for them. They keep trying to erase such latent enemies.
I think the Minister of Foreign Affairs doesn’t need to be a diplomat,
and she/he should be an excellent politician. It is like the difference
between tactics and strategy.

日本語で失礼。通勤の車の中は英会話のラジオの時間。
昔の基礎英語と違って、新・基礎英語は、本当に実用的。
車の中で思わず「へぇー」のボタンを押したくなるな。
ＮＨＫの英語教育改革がもう少し早ければと思うのだが。

US deeply needs alliance and they are sane,or more sane.Not drunk.
They know what they want and that is a global order.I don't really
like those American economies that are "embedded" in their politics,
but to ally with US is the only way to survive without certain
kind of actual forces.And,saddly the diplomacy is under the perfect
control of such minister.
You say China is more trustworthy?I strongly insist that Japanese have
mislead by those medias who are extraordinally for the Chinese
government.I dare say they're "embedded" in that stuff.
Recently Chinese has killed many many citizens in Tibet,Uighur,
Tiananmen Square,and in the Proletarian Cultural Revolution in
incomprehensible reasons,which all those bloody Japanese medias
has hidden in secret.You know the Sinocentrism?
All you have to do is to go there and see what is really happening,
before thinking any other things.I believe the Pacific war could
have been eluded if those people are really well informed about
other counties' nature.

>>177
I’m so pleased to discuss such an international issues with you.
So, concerning what you mentioned in the first paragraph, I agree to
your opinion. The military-industrial complex in the US rules the current
administration, and compels their standards from all nations in the
world for their benefits. You know it is so-called “Unilateralism.”
Such subordination, however, is equal to the relation between the Chinese
administration and peripheral minorities, isn’t it? Why do you want to
obey the US and hate to obey China, even though the US government is
getting to make more of China than Japan as a trading partner?
In the Age of Great Voyages, Portugal and Spain divided the entire world
into two of theirs. Nowadays, it looks like that the UK and US would do
the same.
You seems to hate the violation of human rights in China, but they will
have to change themselves as long as they will be one of the advanced
countries.

Too long to read through. Too boring.....

>>179
You might not have perseverance enough to read a document like a paper.

>>1
You sick fucking worthless piece of shit!
DIE!!

でも、ここの英語ってみんな学校英語なのが笑える。

外人はこんな綺麗な英語は書かない・・・。

外人からの手紙は文法じゃなくて単語の羅列に近いものがある。

>>182
別に、ハリウッドでデビューするつもりはないし、ESLとして自分の人格が
英語で表現できるとは思わないな。国際共通語としての英語があればいい。

>>182
でも、nativeでもemailする相手を考えながらちゃんと書いてくるよ。

あくまで個人的な感想だが、ゲイの人は教養があって、優しい英語のメール
を送ってくる印象がある。

>>185
残念ながら、gayの外国人の友達がいないなあ。お前のpartnerはどんな
emailを送ってくるのか教えてくれ。

smitheになってる。

>>182

U mean like this?
I guess they prefer rapid communication.

>>182
IN ENGLISH PLZ

>>182

Ntv amrcns prfr abbrvtns, it dsn't mns thr cmmnctn skll is pr.

Take me to the river.

Cry me a river

話のレベルが低いので下げ。

レベルが低いといったのはココは医者版なので。
AOLでやれば？

レベル高い会話ってどんなんですか？　教えて、偉い人。

>>195
This is a linkage to a serious, religous, and better one.
Please, please jump to it.
We can come across something superb.
↓
http://etc.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/psy/1070910930/l50

>>194
tell me about it

基本的には国家論（宗教もふくめ＞１９５）
）
ここは医師版じゃなの？
日本の医者が英語を話せないというレベルをこえてるんじゃない。

医師版って何？

医療・福祉の仕事ならメディカル求人ネット

http://www.internext.ne.jp/medical/

１）患者は３０才男性、２日前より、コーヒー残渣用の嘔吐が２回
あり、当院を受診。担当医は、腹部の触診をする共に、上部内視鏡
検査をオーダーした。
２）Ｍ先生が、急遽、米国Ｘ大学にご帰国されることを聞き、驚い
ております。いっしょにお仕事できなくなるのが残念です。ご帰国
後のご活躍をお祈りしております。

っていう、易しい文章を英文にしてくれ。

版と板の

>>201
1) A 30-year-old man, who had vomitted coffee-groundlike materials twice in these two days, visited this hospital.
His physician palpated his abdomen and ordered an UGI study.
2) I'm very surprised you are to return to X university in the united states soon.
It was a great pleasure to work with you. I hope your success.

「二日間で二回嘔吐」の部分で時勢や前置詞の用法が適切かどうか確認しておいてください。
「残念です」の部分は米国人が好みそうな表現に改めました。

>>203
さすが、米国人は絶対、残念とは表現しないね。

>30-year-old
yearは複数になんないのか？

ごめん、訂正。

I'm very surprised TO KNOW/TO HEAR you are ...

>>205
ハイフンで続ける場合は単数形でいいみたいです。
英文の症例報告ではそうなっています。

ほお〜、ちゃんと勉強してんだ。

hope より wishの方が表現が柔らかい感じがすると思うのですが、
逆にイヤミでしょうか？

>>209
wish より hope の方が実現可能性が高いのでこの場合は hope が良いと思います。
でもクリスマスカードのお決まりの表現は wish ですね。

出題者に質問。１）はカルテの文章ってこと？

>>211
カルテにするとどうなりますか？

>>212

30 y.o. M
vomitting
2 d.a. 〜 coffee-groundlike ×2
Abd. soft and flat, no mass felt, no tenderness ... とかなんとか
→ UGI

こんな感じ？（笑）

>>213
極端だねぇ。ま、そんなカルテもあるが、略するつもりなら、もっと略することも
できるなあ。古典的には、"The Pt is "で始めるのが、無難かな。

最近の、カルテ開示の流れと、電子カルテの影響で、英語でカルテを書く
奴も減る可能性があるなあ。チェックをしていくと経過欄が書けるんだよ。
あんなの監査の時にどうするだろうね。

>>214
人を批判するのなら、自分で訳を書くこと。批判するのは簡単だ。

「私は神だ」とか「デムパが」とか、どうやっても英語にならんね。また、してもいけない。

Deus sum?

「デムパ」をラテン語にしてみようよ。a幹名詞「dempa」は、ダメヨ。

「カルテ」はポルトガル語なんだから、内容の記載はポルトガル語で行う
べきでしょう。

とくに大都会なら医師としての責任上、英語くらいはできないと
務まらないと思う．

そうだな、
Go way, fucker!

これだけは覚えとかんとな。

>>221
東北や鹿児島に飛ばされる医師は、東北弁や鹿児島弁がリスニングできないと
だめだな

医師会で、英語の指定病院として紹介されてる以上
一ヶ月数人程度だが、日本語できない外人がくる。

おれは資格だけなら準一級だ。
まあ大学病院なら、留学経験のあるやつが一人や二人は
常駐してるから楽だよ。
看護士でもやる気のある奴は英会話学校に通ってた。

英語堪能な皆様にご質問。
カルテに記載するってことで、「年末から、発熱と下痢が続いている。」
って、簡単に記載したければ、どう書くの？
"Fever and diarrhea is persistent from the end of the last year."
なのかなあ？

カルテは患者が読めるように日本語で美しく書きましょう。
英語圏の患者には英語、中国人には漢字で書ければなお良い。
韓国人にハングルで書く必要はないだろうが……
そういえば昔、イタリア語でカルテ書く医者がいたけど。

（あまりこだわると周囲のスタッフが読めなくなるから困る。
○○先生、ドイツ語は看護師泣かせですよ、ラテン語もやめてね）

日本に来るなら日本語を話しなさい。

米国にいって怪我や病気になり、治療費があまりに高くて踏み倒して
くる日本人がとても多いのだから、そのぐらい多目にみてやりなさい。
踏み倒した分は地方自治体が負担しているのですよ。

　＞＞226
　
”have a fever and a diarrhea from the end of the year”

でしょうか？

　＞＞229 Really?　１７へぇ。

　歯の治療代とかめちゃくちゃ高いらしいですね。
　（旅行などの）保健に入っていたら、保険でいけるはずなんだけれど。
　地方自治体が負担ってアメリカの？

>>230
万国共通、行旅病者か？

　万国共通ですか。（知らなかった）
　いえ、旅行病者ではありません。
　通りすがりの者です。
　

英語でコミュニケーションできるセンセイは手術中とかも英語しか
喋らないのでしょうか？

>>233
失敗した時に、"Shit!"とか自然に出れば、とても自然〜♪

　通りすがり＝行路病者

> 国の援助等を必要とする帰国者に関する領事官の職務等に関する法律
> 行旅病人及行旅死亡人取扱法
があるね。本来は海外は行き倒れると、その国の領事が治療費を貸与
して、後で本人に請求なのかな。

電子カルテを見ていると、カルテを書くっていう行為じたい、分かってくると
思う。選択枝から選んで、文章というか、表記を並べていくって感じ。「書く」
って感じじゃないね。だから、英語でカルテを書くって行為も、電子カルテと
共に消えると思うな。

Get your ass to Mars.　＝「火星へ飛べ」と訳されているとは思わなかった。

Get your ass to Mars. ＝ア〇スのうちにマルスが統治する。

最初、"Total Recall"見ていて、Get your ..s to Marsかなと思って聞いて
いたわけ。文法上絶対おかしいなと、思ってscriptを探したら↑の通りだった。
納得。assも悪い意味ばかりじゃないなって、納得したりして。

yy

え、だってHipHop聞いてりゃ move your ass! とかいっぱい出てくるじゃん…

>>243
HipHop聞かないニューミュージック世代だもの。（笑）

age