Hey!!! you NEETS, nerds, Youtube-link spammers, pedophiles, neo-Nazis, Yukorin enthusiasts, Nanako SOS admirers, Part-Time-Preachers, Diplomats' spoiled sons, Losers who can't remember Kanji characters, Big-boobs fans, Weeaboos from all over the world, learners of Japanese who are too lazy to update their Japanese blogs very often. And Let's pray for the rehabilitation of the Internet-addicted housewife.
What does the African american woman say from 1:50〜 ?
The following is right? "Speech is very important for me because I do the payroll and benefits for the Columbia Lighthouse for the blind, and it helps me to realize when I made an error so I could quickly correct it."
"made" should be "'ve made"? "Could" should be "can"?
>>3 Na, I'm not the one who made the new thread. I'm not on spring break 'til next week. Spring break in the US is generally short. Mine is only a week long. I don't have a part-time job either way, though.
It seems like Nilgiri tea is another name for Orange Pekoe. Maybe someone just wanted to make it sound special here. I guess it's drinkable, though I'm not a big fan of O.P.
By the way , have you sliced the skin of your lover and observed it with a microscope ? What kind of state was her skin peace ? Tell me about it in detail ! !
>>23 Most of my postgraduate work is done in the evenings, because they expect the students to be also working full time. Occasionally we have to turn up to a residential school for a couple days, but those are during weekends. And yes, this is supposed to be for a full-time job.
>>24 I sort of understand that.. It's like 40+ hours of slavery to the system. But at least you can fully play chavs' counterpart if you start working full time now, because your anger will be more legitimate.
Yeah, I know. It'd be easier for her/him to understand, especially where IT is concerned. And don't use all capital letters. You look like a sergent. If he wants to know more about something to do with downloading files from youtube, I'll teach him how in Japanese, though.
>>39 I guess it's ok in here. If you add just one rule: Japanese is the prefered language, but English will be allowed, only when they want to ask about Japanese expressions so that they can easily understand.
We should talk about what the tenplate for the thread will be before actually creating it. I think we should win favors from people in this board, too. I, for one, am thinking it'd be really good to have a thread for learners of Japanese. We can invite people here who are eager to learn Japanese such as some people from /jp/.
>>50 Agreed, completely. It'd be a huge help to us Japanese learners. Also agree with not really advertising it. I'm not such a big fan of 4channers for a reason, mainly from what >>49 wrote.
>>49 I'm not sure if inviting /jp/ is a bad idea. Enlighten me. I had a look at /jp/ the other day, and some people in a thread were talking about how to learn/memorize kanji really very seriously. And I had the impression that I'd love to help them, if there's anything I can do.
And, yeah, in some other threads people are talking about Anime/manga, most of which I don't know about. lol
This thread is for learners of Japanese to practice Japanese by chatting with Japanese people (and other fellow learners of the language).
Basic rules : 1) Japanese is the prefered language, but English will be allowed, only when they want to ask about Japanese expressions so that they can easily understand.
2) Japanese participants should pay respect for them. They are here to practice Japanese and we shouldn't forget most of them are really patient with our Japanese English.
3) Please don't point out tiny mistakes as long as you can understand what they want to convey. You know, drill sergents often make people dispirited. In case they want corrections, then please just do it.
That's it. Any idea? I'll translate the above into Japanese when I build a new thread.
>>53 Hmm... you'd have to be prepared to put up with flaming, trolling and spamming. That's why 4chan has moderators... and hopefully they won't leak into this thread too.
>>56 Sounds great to me, so far. Might post something after making dinner...
Jeffery Dahmer : faggot. John Wayne Gacy : faggot. Andrey Chikatilo : faggot. Something wrong with faggot and something has to be done to them. Faggot Genes should not be left.
Adolf Hitler was the most straight man. He is teetotaler and don't smoke. He was heterosexual and devoted to only one woman.
>>56 In my humble opinion, ASCII ART is also part of Japanese culture. Works beautifully created by what we call ASCII ART craftsmen or AA composers are more telling about how the Japanese really are than all those formal cultures such as sumo, kaiseki dishes, or Noh. We Japanese are really fond of any kind of creative activities or works, which are often small and trivial, without thinking whether it is really productive or not. Just amusing people with their own works is their sole wish. No money, no fame. There are just those who amuse and those who are amused. I believe that has, indeed, formed the basic foundation of today's Japanese culture.
Sorry, one question. what's 'drill sergents' (maybe drill sergeants?) all about? I guess you mean those who harshly criticize people for their mistakes, right?
I myself is Japanese. But I dare to think Japanese learners have to get along with /JP/ people...
Even here, we have frequent visitors from 4chan, enkorea?, and other sites like them. And we're also getting along with 金玉ノレ, a Nanako SOS admirer, a homestaying student, so many racists, blasphemers (whichever the religon is..), political activists, and yes, sexual perverts too.
We can't chose people in 2ch and the thread might be empty without those kind of people. IMO.
>>75 It sounds like 粋 spirit I mentioned in the past thread. But actually they are much alike 4chan or VIP tastes nowadays. Somewhat Americanized. Sort of political caricatures. For criticizing specific objects. I don't think they're still preserved in art forms called as a "culture".
Recent AAs are just devices without the makers' wishes or intentions.
>>80 Well, any cultures keep changing since its birth. None of them can escape from the process of birth, development, imitation, deterioration, and after that, revival.
>>73 Hmm... if you want to save money, you can always download a Super Famicom emulator and find the games online. It had the best Bomberman games anyway.
>>82 You're porsonifing the matter too much. The circumustances are not manga stories. There are neither any certain starts nor ends. Please don't talk like animists often do.
>>90 You'd better visit wikipedia to know it in detail.
I remember the word "meme" and "worm" came at nearly same time to me. Worm is a kind of viruses which had no actual offensive functions but just kept on making their copies and spreaded over the computer networks in the exact way other viruses should do.
イギリス人さん and スウェーデン人さん said once that it was used recently for the specific posts that are made and grown by copy/paste in the network society. Didn't he?
X that are made and grown by copy/paste in the network society. Didn't he? O those were made and grown by copy/paste in the network society. Didn't they?
So, I have to correct below too? had no actual offensive functions > has no actual offensive functions kept on making their copies > keeps on making their copies
I'd like to say "Worm was like this, though it's not around here now". Tell me your impression if you please.
Let me see if I can get out of a dinner I have tomorrow and I'll let you know this evening. Jeff and I might slip away this weekend since it's our weekend. I'll call you a bit later. What's going on with the job?
I was interested in helping make a thread for learners of Japanese, but kind of turned off by the notion of excluding a certain type of people. Not that I'd like to talk about Anime or Manga in particular, but it might be already discouraging to some people. If it were a little more open minded, I would join it.
>>100 We're not discouraging anybody. Some of us just think it's not worthwhile to advertise on a board where the threads are primarily about anime, H-games, or Japanese women. Yes, /jp/ occasionally has meaningful threads but not very often. If you disagree, feel free to post on /jp/ when the thread is put up. None of us are going to stop you.
>>101 I'm not a huge fan of 4chan either, but it's already making people feel obligated to not bring up certain topics. I can imagine some people have started being interested in Japanese through those media. Of course, the decency of a topic depends on the person, no matter what it is. Anyways, like I said, I won't be involved in this, so no worries.
Thank you guys for your opinions. Ok, I know many of the Japanese learners are interested not only in the Japanese language itself but also Japanese culture, sometimes to the extent that their knowledge is over most of us Japanese. With that in mind, it wouldn't be good to push aside a particular topic. Come to think of it, topics in "chat in English" are random, and it depends on participants what is talked about, from time to time. In the meantime, it wouldn't be good to invite hard-core 4channers if they ended up pushing out many English speakers, or Japanese learners, from this board. I don't want anyone to gatecrush the thread, no. So I wouldn't advertise it on /jp/.
Any other ideas? I think I will build a thread in a few hours, if it's ok with you guys. Do you think it's better to tag a link to this thread as a sister thread?
>>76 Oops, sorry. Yeah, sergeants. And yes, that's almost what I meant. It's like, "you should do it like this, not like that! NO, idiot! You're wrong!" or something like that. I don't like this kind of atmosphere. Instead, hopefully, it'll be like "Ok. I understand what you mean. Go on. You are doing real good. Let's talk more and enjoy ourselves".
>>109 Please have a look at >>56. I'll be more than happy to consider your ideas if you want to change it for the better. (as I said, if it's worth consideration.) That's why I set a window of time before creating the thread. :D
1) Japanese is the preferred language, but English is allowed for asking and responding to questions about Japanese grammar, expressions, etc.
2) Japanese participants should be respectful. They are here to practice Japanese, and we shouldn't forget that most of them are really patient with our English.
3) Please don't point out tiny mistakes as long as you can understand what they want to convey. Being too critical can discourage people who are trying to learn. Of course, if they ask for corrections then please help them.
How people from anywhere want to learn Japanese in that stupid thread? Look around. There are alotof threads in Japanese! They can learn there chatting up with Japanese people!
>>121 None of those threads are for chatting. They have specific topics, and trying to strike up a conversation with someone in one of them isn't appropriate.
Maybe people here who keep some distance from 4chan are just wanna put these 2 sites to their each proper use. In other words, they wanna use these two separately, I guess.
Seemingly they don't hate 4chan unless they attack this thread and mix up these 2 sites.
If someone built Japanese learners' thread in other board, and it had no link to this thread on it, (2ch suggestive function below included) they might complain of nothing.
In that case, we should not let 4chan people know this matter. We have to separate these two thread stubbornly and handle them carefully though.
>>121 Please don't take it personally, but why are you here then? There are many English forums on the net... I don't think there are any thread for "learners of Japanese" here in this board.
>>126 Because I like it here. I go lots places other than here and do stuff, though. I guess the point is a thread have to be somehow good to attract people. How would you make that happen? Just creat one with no plan won't work. If it won't work, then why do it?
>>134 This thread has no plan. It's just for Japanese people to chat in English. And the new thread will be for non-Japanese to chat in Japanese. Not a hard concept to grasp.
>>134 Aren't you contradicting yourself? You are here because you like it here, even though you go somewhere else, but you won't allow others to have a place they might like. Hmmm, that sounds narrow-minded to me. No offence, of course.
It's just 2ch, you don't need discushun just to create a new thread 10000 useless threads are being created at this very moment, and I'm sure this Japanese thread will be fun if theres enough peple with decent Japanese skills.
no one is talking anything else right now anyway, so, more argument. where did the ones who suggested this go? i want to see how well the regular foreigners can speak japanese and stuff
World board has its own rule, that says topics of English and foreign languages should be avoided. So I guess sort of explanations or afreements are needed even if it's a thread for Japanese learners.
In every board, the planner have to ask it at least once before he build it. And participants must expect to be bashed at first.
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Did you watched the world championship of the figure skating today ? Whom are you fond of female figure skating player ? Of corse is the answer Yuna Kim ! ? When I watch the face of Yuna , I want to lick it slurp-slurp ! ! However , Yuna is physical owner who is the strongest among female figure skating players ! If you hit Yuna's thigh against Kimmy's thign , Kimmy's thigh will be rether broken ! !
>>183 Really? Fantastic! It's certain that Jew media will report the news in malice. It's good that many people are becoming aware of jew misdeeds.
Britany must have been exploited by the jewn and thrown away like toilet papler when she got useless. Michale Jackson was also used up by the jew He got mad and left lyrics attacking the jew. "jew me, sue me, kike me" But Michael has to throw his admiration for Elizabeth Taylor, who converted to judaism. Racially white but non-white jew.
I want to send the following e-mail to the company's executive... I wonder how she will reply if I send this...
I really regret having chosen your company. I don't know why De Anza is in partnership with your company. I'm so tired of being surrounded by homestay and transportation issues your company caused, I decided to go back to Japan. The only thing I can do is to advise Japanese students who will study in the U.S. NOT to choose homestay as a means of staying in the U.S. I will publish a book "Moneygrubber, called Homestay Placement" someday in Japan. In that case, can I reveal the name of your company?
Ihave watched english wikipedia in which said 2 channel is the largest Internet forum in the world. So I want to know the largest web forum in English all most like 2 channel except Youtube. Because my net surfing is only in Japan that's too narrow and to improve my English skill. Please give me some information, kind guys.
OOOOOOOOOOOOH MY GODDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!! My host mother would let me out of contract!!!!!!! That means, I can go back to Japan without paying $1600!!!!!!! In April, a new international student will come to my host mother's house and start to stay in the room which I am now using. For that reason, the fact I move out in this month doesn't affect her income anymore. I really really thank the new student...
If I had been told about it earlier, I would not have made the decision that I go back to Japan and bought a fight ticket...
But why the company told me about that today...? Today, I went to International Students Office to inform them of my quitting the college and going back to Japan, and the homestay company sent me an e-mail(about the contract) after that.
1) Japanese is the preferred language, but English is allowed for asking and responding to questions about Japanese grammar, expressions, etc.
2) Japanese participants should be respectful. They are here to practice Japanese, and we shouldn't forget that most of them are really patient with our English.
3) Please don't point out tiny mistakes as long as you can understand what they want to convey. Being too critical can discourage people who are trying to learn. Of course, if they ask for corrections then please help them.
215 :日本語で雑談 (Chat in Japanese) Part 1:2008/03/21(金) 10:28:25
English explanations are needed for sure? And your copy & paste is always off to the slide.
You may need 2ch browser to use this thread. And please get off your JavaScript before you go there. Coz some people here may hate 2ch suggestive funcions.
>>227 Haha. Yeah I just installed bbs2chreader but couldn't figure out what the fuck to do with it. According to the screenshot, you have to type like bbs2ch:board:URL or something... I just grabbed a 2ch browser. If you can read Japanese, it might be easier than trying to figure that shit out.
I understand. If you reloaded this thread in bbs2chreader once, (from the link below to latest 50 or all responses) then links which are started with ttp:// must work well.
At first I think people should be open-minded. But before that, we should be humble about other residents and customs here.
I would never interfere others. Yes it's my way of thinking. And my personal problem. So please remove my name Part-Time-Preacher from next thread. That's all.
I have a few questions to the native who was a prom queeen at Biverlly Hill's high.
How did you study Japanese after you quit the personal Japanese lessons? You read a lot of Japanese literature or newspaper? Don't tell me you just read manga, watched anime and Japanese dramas. I don't think that's enough to reach your level of Japanese fluency.
You need a huge amount of Japanese input to reach your Japanese proficency in general and I don't think vocabulary used in anime, drama and manga is enough to reach your level.
You can comment to his videos or send a personal message to him. You can practice your Japanese and he can be happy receiving messages from women from overseas. It's win-win. Remember. Don't tease him. He is serious about making his videos, not trying to look funny.
>>249 prom queenっておいおいwwww Well, I've read a shit-ton of Japanese novels. They were far from "fine literature", but novels nonetheless. Most of them were written fairly simply, with average vocabulary I'd say. But it still helps you get a feel for the written language, and you learn a lot of expressions/grammatical intricacies, things like that. I don't read the Japanese newspaper or anything heavy-duty like that, although honestly I should. I'm at the point where I could learn a lot from doing that. To tell you the truth, I've just been lazy... I haven't done anything special, I just use Japanese a lot, every day. Music, books, sites like 2ch, all these little ways will add up. This means that my actual speaking is complete shit, though, because I have no one to talk to. When I can sit down and think about it, I can write decent Japanese. But if I'm sitting in front of someone and talking to them, it's very different. (;_;)
I've done a lot of translating. I worked as a translator for fansubbing groups (groups that put subtitles on anime and distribute them on the internet) for several years, translated manga for a while, and now I'm working on translating a novel. Translating is a great way to improve your skill with a language, too. Really forces you to focus on the details of each line (especially with something like a novel). It's not enough to have a general idea of what's going on, you have to know what every word means and what its function is in the sentence. I'd say that's probably helped me quite a bit.
I should mention I write (or wrote, I guess XD) a lot in Japanese, too. While I went to my tutor's house, I kept a Japanese diary which she corrected, and until about last year I regularly wrote in a Japanese blog. Now I have a couple of penpals that I'm emailing. Unfortunately most of them want to practice their English so we talk in English most of the time T_T but with some of them I talk in Japanese. Regularly formulating your ideas in another language is very good practice, too, even if no one else is going to be reading it. On the way you have to look up words or expressions to figure out how to phrase what you want to say, and you end up learning a lot.
if you make some expressions in english, you shouldn't just place each words in order you also have to think how those expression is supposed to be in english way.
>>253 shit-ton? You mean tos of? Give me a ball park figure. When you say "fine literature," what does it mean? Is it students majoring in Japanese literature read, like Natsume Soseki, Dazai Osamu, Mishima Yukio? Who are the authors of books you read, allow my curiusity? Haruki Murakami?
What do you do when you see unfamiliar words or expressions, reading a novel for pleasure? Do you look them up in your dictionary everytime? In my case when I read English book, sometimes I do, sometimes don't. Do you make a list of words you looked in dictionary for referance later? In my case, since I use an electronic dictionay and it stores words I check, I sometimes look at the list and try to remember them. You can use skype to improve speaking. There's a thread in this board about skype.http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1202030721/l50 They are talking about weird foreigners they met on Skype in the thread most of the time.
>fansubbing groups I've heard of it. So you are working on translating a Japanese novel. Did anyone request that you translate it? Isn't there possibility that major publisher in USA publish English version? If I may ask, who wrote the novel and what's the title?
What made you delete all blog entries in the past? Did you become ashamed of them? All in all it seems like you have made your share of efforts to reach your Japanese level. Amazing!
In love with the prom queen? Haha! It's just that I'm curious about how she has reached her current Japanese proficiency. Not many foreigners don't reach that level and I thought just being crazy about anime, manga, J-pop, J-drama isn't enough to be fluent in Japanese.
lol. I need to look up "In heat" in an online dictionary. As if I were a cat or a dog. Yep. On the Internet, you can't tell if he is a dog, cat or a human being that you are chatting with.
>>268 Shit. I really have no idea how many I've read. Between fifty and a hundred? And I said >They were far from "fine literature", but novels nonetheless. This means they WEREN'T "fine literature" at all^^ I've read some Mishima Yukio and Kobo Abe (砂の女), but those were English translations so they don't count. You haven't heard of any of the novels I've read... They were BL. えへへ
Yeah, I always have the goo dictionary open while I read. I look up everything I don't know. I've told myself over and over to start a list of words/expressions I encounter that I didn't know before, but again... I'm just too lazy and never get around to it. I really should though^^ I thought about doing Skype, but it's too much hassle. I don't have the time to sit in front of my computer and talk to someone, anyway. Even when I'm on my computer, I'm busy doing other things that need my attention.
I'll continue this in another reply, because it's kind of long.
>>276 Nobody requested the novel translation, I decided to do it myself. There are publishers now that are publishing those kinds of books in English, so I'm going to ask if they're interested in it when I finish. It would be really awesome to see it in physical print. XD I've flipped through some of the novels that are on the market right now, and the writing SUCKS. Everyone I've talked to about it agrees with me. I write 48098509348 times better than they do. >_>
Uh... if you really want to know, the novel I'm translating is called ANSWER by 崎谷 はるひ. You can read my translation if you want, but I bet you don't. XDDD
About my blog, I wasn't ashamed of them, really. I just didn't see a reason to keep them around. For a while I was going to start writing my blog in English, so I also wanted to clear out the old stuff for a "fresh start". But I ended up never writing any more...
>>275, Yeah, you've got a point. How enchanting is the wonder of evolution. Looks like dogs chat with a human being over the internet in these days. They just bark at people, right?
>>276 Since I came to 2channel, I gop to know about Fujoshi, female otaku and things like that. I know Fujoshi like "boys love" comics but I don't understand what aspects of BL appeals to them. The boys or men in the novels or comics have to be beautiful, right? Like, the boys or men who can be described as metrosexual If I understand the word metrosexual right. Characters in these novels never be middle-aged men with beer belly and bad breath.
I understand a part of reason why BL appeals to fujoshi is taboo relationship between boys. But there are other taboo relationship such as loves between a teacher and student, mother and son, you name it. Why relationship between boys or men grab fujoshis' attention, I wonder.
I searched and it seems like 崎谷 はるひ writes lots of novels or mangas about BL. It might be funny to dip my toe in reading such a novel. How can I read it? I'm not sure I can read it through to the end, though.
>I've flipped through some of the novels that are on the market right now, and the writing SUCKS.
Why do you think is that? Is that because of translators' bad command of English or is that because they lacks in knowledge about BL itself?
As for your Japanese blog, you can see how far you've come comparing your earlier entries and those of recently. Can't be helped if you deleted them though.
I read a funny joke in a book several years ago and I made it into a riddle. Try it if you are interested.
"A man was drinking in a bar comfortably, when a panda suddenly entered the bar and ordered some foods. After eating them up, it held a gun and shot around and went out of the bar. Astonished by the abrupt acts of the panda, he looked up 'panda' in the encyclopedia and was convinced it had been no strange event."
Here is a question. What the encyclopedia said in it? Notice, the encyclopedia itself was quite normal.
>>289 Well, I could talk to you all about BL but I don't think other people in this thread would appreciate it...^^ But they don't always have to young or beautiful, although the majority of BL novels/manga are probably focused on young, beautiful men. There's lots of オヤジBL^^ By the way, if a guy is metro, it means he spends a lot of time/money on his appearance and goes to great lengths to look "good." So not quite the same. Maybe a lot of the appeal in BL for Japanese women is the taboo aspect. But in America, it's not very taboo at all, so that has nothing to do with it for me. I think many American fans probably feel the same, but I can't speak for anyone else of course.
I have scans of the original Japanese novel, which I'm using to translate it. I can give them to you, if you really want...
About the shitty writing quality, I don't know why, honestly. I think it's because they're assuming their audience is mostly young women who don't read books very often. So they dumb down the writing style. It was honestly like reading a book for twelve-year-olds.
Answer: They(pandas) are inhabitants in China. Chinese people are inahbitants in China, too so what the joke meant was that whoever (even animals like panda) lives in China ara barbarous enough to enjoy shooting spree..... I have no idea.
>>292 >But in America, it's not very taboo at all,
Then that makes me even more curious why BL novels/mangas are popular among foreign fujoshis. Anythings goes in 2channels so you are free to explain what is behind BL's popularity, although if you feel shy about explaining it, then I can't force you to do that.
>I have scans of the original Japanese novel, which I'm using to translate it. I can give them to you, if you really want...
I want to read a few pages of both translated and original if possible to compare with them. If it doesn't bother you, I'm glad if a page or two of sensual scenes are included. Do you mean you send me via e-mail? If so, I don't have any throw-away e-mail addresses so I'm glad if you show your free mail address here again like you did in the previous? thread.
I'll come back here tomorrow. I have to go to bed now.
>>301 >Then that makes me even more curious why BL novels/mangas are popular among foreign fujoshis. Na, I don't mind talking about it at all. Ask me the next time we're both around then, and I'll tell you what I think.
There were two girls at the next seat in Mcdonaldo. Both of them are pretty pretentious cuties(exactly not cute in real life. One of the two was pretty not cute) She used the words like damon, tyo-, and another buzzwords. She spoke high-pitched and rapidly. So self-concisous and conversetion was set in a certain form. I can tolerate anything she does if she is really cute. But she is ugly. She is not what she think herself to be. Face the truth. Watch yourself in the mirror. Is it privillage of youth to be super-self-conscious and self-centered and attention-getting? But pretty annoying and obnoxious cos You were not cute at all!!!
As an aside, a counter girl was megane musume(girl with glasses). LOL vivid and brisk in the service.
They seemed to be good at studying cos they said words like keio and waseda? But They looked pretty dumb. The conversations were prettty mannerism. After all private university of arts department are fool. Just competeing memorizing as much as possible. I didn't wanna hear. I wanted to study. But words get in my ears because so they were so loud. And ugliness is a strong supporter when it comes to study. lol
That's why 4chan has moderators... and hopefully they won't leak into this thread too
Can I ask the same question again. Why isn't the end of the sentence "either" instead of "too". I learned either follows "not". In the first place, I don't know why we have to use either with negative sentence. Too can be used for everysentece like I don't like her too.
http://www.biography.com/biography/images/episode_images/dahmer_Jeffrey_320x240.jpg Amn't I handsome? But I was so unconfident about anything myself.. You can see some pride in myself on my face but I couldn't express my pride in realistic manner. I tried to get attention imitating polio and sticking tree branch with dog skelton on the top.
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~gr6m-kwnb/takuma.txt I can clearly see takuma's mental illness from his letter. He is absolutely insane. I don't know it goes as far as the lack of mental competency. In my opinion he is the man to be confined in psychiatric hospital.
>>328 Very good timing. I was thinking about I would write something about me. I don't know until when you had been updated, though.
Fot the past two weeks until yesterday, I went to hospital to get IV drip treatment every other day. Yes, I didn't have to go there everyday anymore. Yesterday(Friday), I went to see my doctor (after that I got IV) and he told me that I don't have to take IV drip treatment anymore.
Weather is a very important factor for my foot. The warmer, the better. It's getting warmer in Japan, so he decided my foot's condition would improve without IV. My foot sure looks better outside than before but this past week was tough because I felt a slight pain in my foot and couldn't sleep well. I'm worried about quitting IV when I still feel slight pain but my doctor says that's OK so I think I'll see how my foot condition will be without IV.
I haven't been using any uho painkillers for a long time (for the past 20 days or so? I'm not sure.) and I still have 8 or so very strong anal painkillers and 20 or more less strong onoes. If you are interested in experiencing the joy of putting it in your anus, I'll give them all to you. I don't mind being an uho goodwill ambassador.
Generally speaking, we don't look on our own "hanakuso" as dirty. But what do you think of others'? If you don't feel dirty about others' "hanakuso, you may be a fetishist for smells.
So why are BL mangas and novels so popular among fujoshi overseas. What appeals to them? I thought taboo relationships among characters attribute to BL's popularity but you don't agree with it. Let me know your opinion.
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>>362 ohh, so you are one of them haters... did you actually play it? I played it til lvl 57 and then got bored, but it's a very good game to play for a few months. I'm a half assed soloer so it was never a second job. PUG + fast paced instance = awesomely fun when the group actually knows what they are doing
>>365 Had to split my post up because it was too long. Oh well, here goes.
Yeah, I played it for a while.
I played in the Beta, then quit and tried again a long time after that, and quit pretty soon again.
It was boring as fuck.
I can imagine that it has the potential of being enjoyable if you play with a bunch of real-life friends while talking over Skype, but playing it alone was just godawfully boring. I'd rather pay to watch grass grow than to play WoW again.
Also, before you bring the "the game doesn't start before level x (where x = the highest level you can attain nowadays, I wouldn't know how high that is)/the game doesn't get fun before level x", let me just go ahead and counter that before you even say it: Any game that requires you to do tedious boring shit for hours without end before you can actually start playing/enjoying the game, is shit. It doesn't matter how good it is when you reach the last level if you have to endure mind-numbing torture to get there.
Anyways, the new generation of gamers suck anyway. It seems that MMORPGs and Halo 3 is just about where it's at. Almost any game that has the letters "MMO" in its name is shit. I'm saying "almost" here because I haven't played them all. Also, I see many people playing WoW to be competitive. Why is that? WoW takes practically zero skill (I'm not saying this is bad, I'm saying that people that are playing WoW to compete a.k.a. measure skill have shit for brains).
And then there's all these overrated FPS games. I can enjoy a good FPS. However, I can't enjoy an FPS that's practically the same as all the other FPS games ever released with the exception of 1 more pixel in the bottom left corner. Also, I cannot for the life of me understand why people would actually play FPS games on CONSOLES with AUTO-AIM. I thought having to aim was kind of the point of FPS games, but apparently not. Quake 3 + aimbot + graphics update = Halo 3.
Also, don't get me started on the people that are trying to go pro in SSBB; a children's platform PARTY fighting game. In about a year, I bet the only think we're gonna see in any finals is Fox vs Fox, Final Destination, no items. Why don't these people actually play something that's meant to be competitive, like almost any other fighting game?
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This has been an awful long rant. I hope you'll reply with your views, or this will have been in vain.
Games that I'm looking forward to: - MGS4 - SC2 - Spore - FFXIII/FFvXIII (yeah, sue me)
I don't have the hardware to play any of them, unfortunately.
>>368 WHA? Calm down I'm not some freakin MMO enthusiast or anything.... You are right about the tedious grind, it's boring as fuck. I played that game to meet and play with people from various countries (on euro servers) and that's one reason why I liked going to an instance with a group of random people. When you join a group of random brits, scandinavians, italians, hungarians romanians etc etc with poor English skills and still manage to play like old friends with perfect teamwork, it's totally ecstatic. I didn't play it to be competitive, but it does require some skill. (one mistake can easily fuck up the entire group) Of course not as much as RTS games but still. I personally thought the PvP in WoW was harder than FPS games.
And I'm not a new gen gamer, I grew up with NES/SNES games.
Let's leave the dolphin discussion out of here, it will only lead to flamewars because many people are so narrow-minded that they think it's OK to kill cattle and what have you not, but it's not OK to kill dolphins.
Though meat of dolphine is often sold as that of whale, even Japanese don't eat meat of dolphines favorably, if they know truth of the meat they are eating. Dolphin is a cute mamal for Japanese as well as for European.
But discuttion of eating dolphin might have discussion go out of discussion about catching whales. So, I agree with >>379's opinion. discussion
I heard TMNT was changed to TM Hero Turtles in some countries in europe because they thought the word NINJA was somehow too evil for lil kids or something
>>382 This is true. I'm from Norway, and once I saw a movie named "Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles". Note that it was a cartoon movie. At first I laughed, then I cried on the inside. I think the latest CGI TMNT movie was named TMNT.
>>385 Actually, I heard something about some people thinking it was a Japanese swear word or something of that sort, and that's why it got renamed, but somehow I doubt that anybody could be that stupid. It was probably just an attempt at an image change that failed horribly.
This video won the youtube award in music category. I can tell he is quite a good singer but other than his singing technique, is there any reasons he's got so many attentions and won the award?
>>387 If you're gonna talk about how you were just watching something streamed over the internet, you should stop being a fucking cocksucking asshole and post some fucking links you degenerate asswipe. Also, since I'm pissed at pretty much everything right now, I'd suggest to just mentally remove all the insults in my post, as it is nothing personal, I just thought it was common sense by now. Me having to even write this post is completely unnecessary.
>>389 You aren't making any sense. Do you mean that you want to sort youtube search results by view counts, or do you mean that you don't want that because there's no point to it?
>>343 Woo, where to start. Stuff like this is pretty personal. Everyone's got their own, slightly different reason for liking BL. Do a Google search for "why do you like yaoi" (without the quotes) and you'll get all kinds of discussions about it. I'll tell you my thoughts, though.
I think there are some people in it more or less purely for the sex. They think two guys together is hot, and it turns them on to watch it. It makes sense, I think. Just like most guys like watching lesbian porn, girls can enjoy seeing two guys together.
Some other people seem to find it "cute" or "touching". You don't usually see the sensitive or emotional side of boys, and because BL is drawn mainly by women for women, it caters to some women's desire to see "loving" men. I should have mentioned this earlier, but the fact that it's drawn by women for women plays a huge part in the popularity of BL. In general, women know what other women want to see.
By and large I think it's a combination of the two above points. (I use "we" below, but I don't assume to speak for all women. It's just a figure of speech.) Women like sex just as much as men, but we like it with a story, with meaning. We want to know who these two men are, and what happened to them until now, and why they ended up fucking each other at this moment. BL fulfills both of these. Most BL manga/novels have two attractive men, a story in which some major problem is encountered and the two men resolve it together, thereby becoming closer to each other, and plenty of hot sex along the way.
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>>395 I'm not into lesbian porns so it's difficult for me to understand the anology. And I think a porn in which a man and woman make apperance is more popuar than lesbians. In the case of Fujoshi novels, novels depicting love between two men are more popular than love between man an woman, right? Maybe I am wrong....
>the fact that it's drawn by women for women plays a huge part in the popularity of BL. >but we like it with a story, with meaning.
I undersatnd this part above but personally, I thought it's easier to relate yourself to a female character (if you are a woman) in a relationship of a man and woman. In boys love, you can't relate to any character in the novel.
Maybe you are thinking it's difficult to explain to me why BL novels/mangas are popular among fujoshis. All right, setting aside why they are popular, another question is whne you read this type of novel, race is important? I think male characters are set to be Japanese men. If they weren't Japanese men, do you think BL novels would be popular?
When readin BL novels, it doesn't matter where the characters are from?
>>415 You might want to read this and have a basic understanding of them before asking. I don't think you'll completely understand what it's like to be a fujoshi, though, unless you become one. I don't, but this plus the lesbian analogy made sense to me.
I have visited a prostitute recently and got infected with “ganaria”. But within one week it has gone off and perfectly normal now. Unfortunately my wife is now infected now. She experiences unbearable burning sensation while passing urine, and she says she noticed some yellowish thick fluid coming out of her organ. Immediately I understood it is ganaria. Will it vanish on its own as in my case? Or should she consult a doctor.
>>415 >In the case of Fujoshi novels, novels depicting love between two men are more popular than love between man an woman, right?
I think you're confused as to what a fujoshi is... Fujoshi like BL. BL = Boys' Love. So BL manga/novels, by definition, only depict love between two men^^ (Although women might play a secondary role.)
>In boys love, you can't relate to any character in the novel.
That's not true at all. Gender plays *a* role in determining whether a reader can relate to a certain character, but I would argue it's not even the biggest factor. Whether you can relate to a character depends on whether you can see yourself in his or her shoes, and see yourself thinking/doing some of the same things he or she does. If, for example, a character in a BL manga is deeply in love with his best friend but afraid to confess for fear of ruining the friendship, there's no reason why a woman wouldn't be able to relate to that if she were in the same position and feeling the same thing. But again, most of the time women aren't reading BL to "relate" to any of the characters anyway. They just want a good story with romance and sex. It's pure entertainment. It doesn't matter if they can "relate" to it or not.
>Maybe you are thinking it's difficult to explain to me why BL novels/mangas are popular among fujoshis.
^^ Well, fujoshi *by definition* like BL novels/manga, so this question is kind of meaningless. I was trying to explain why a woman might be a fujoshi in the first place.
>>436 >race is important? I think male characters are set to be Japanese men.
Not at *all*! XD First of all, there's tons of "fantastic" BL. Vampires, angels, demons; characters and settings that have no relation to Japan. Second, even with "real-world" BL, the mangaka very often draw their characters to look Western! It happens in normal manga, too. Big eyes, blond hair--there's no reason why they couldn't be American. And since the vast majority of American BL fans can't read Japanese and are reading these works in English translation anyway, I imagine it's very easy for them to pretend it's taking place in America, a more familiar setting. Third, there are many BL works that have foreigners as one of the main characters. Some artists really enjoy bringing an American or European touch to the story. Chinese (e.g., Hong-Kong mafia) is another popular choice.
There are, of course, many, many manga/novels that are inescapably Japanese, because of cultural references or whatever. But I think most American fujoshi have at least a small interest in Japanese culture already, and even if they don't, it's just an interesting "exotic" touch that is tangential to the story itself. In other words, it doesn't really matter. For example, I've read lots of novels that take place at least partly in Hong Kong. It's really interesting to learn some new things about a culture I'm not very familiar with. There's also novels that take place in America, but I avoid those because I don't care. XD In other words, a specific cultural background is just that: the background to the story. I would say that for most of us, it's not a reason to read, or to not read, a certain novel/manga.
>>437 >If they weren't Japanese men, do you think BL novels would be popular?
Absolutely. There are definitely some fujoshi that like Asian (or strictly Japanese) men, just as a personal preference. Hell, I'm one of them. And then there are some fujoshi that *don't* like most Asian men, because they think they look too feminine. But I think it's safe to say that, at least for American fujoshi, it's not about race at all. Give us two hot guys, a good story, and sex, and why should it matter what country they're from? In Ikoku Irokoi Romantan, a very popular manga that recently was animated as an OAV, one of the men is Italian. Anyway, as I said above, BL mangaka often don't draw Japanese-looking men (or even realistic-looking men XD). So in many cases, the fact that the men are "Japanese" isn't very important, or doesn't even factor in at all.
And that's all from me. Sorry it turned out a little long.
Can you get Gonorrhea from drinking from a glass? Can you get Gonorrhea from drinking from a glass that someone else drank from and you didn't know it? In college I think this other woman drank from my glass of beer at a party. I didn't know she did until she said " Can I have more of your Beer" So I gave the rest to her. She said " Sorry I took some earlier"
>>436 I think now I uderstand correctly the word fujoshi. I'm sorry for my lack of knowledge about it. I took that fujoshi=otaku girls.
I think I learned a lot about fujoshi thanks to your posts so far. But honestly I still can't help but wondering why a relationship of two boys. Your answer to this question was "You don't usually see the sensitive or emotional side of boys, and because BL is drawn mainly by women for women,"
That's not convincing explanation to me. A female writer could write a story in which a woman and man love each other full of sex scenes, depicting emotional side of boys. Now I know you feel like your efforts are all in vain and you must feel like talking to a dumb.
Maybe it's like having to make someone unfamiliar with Natto, fermented soybeans understand how good it is. It tastes good for those who think it tastes good and difficult to explain why it's good to those who have no clues about it's tastes. (I don't like natto by the way.) Maybe this anology is all wrong. Forget it and thank you for your explanations.
>A female writer could write a story in which a woman and man love each other full of sex scenes, depicting emotional side of boys.
Yes, she could... But from my limited understanding (I don't read romance novels), they're not usually like that. The men tend to be strong, commanding, confident characters that "take care" and "protect" their women. I think it's definitely not the norm to see men feeling insecure, or uncertain of how to win their women's affections, or sitting alone thinking of the women they're in love with for hours on end. This isn't to say men don't do this. But typical depictions of heterosexual romances (at least in the West) usually don't present the male character in this way.
This isn't the reason I like BL, so I'm actually not the most qualified to explain this point, but from what I've heard from other fujoshi, this seems to be a big reason.
>>443 Then what if there were novels that depict a man and woman relationships where the man shows insecure and uncertain feelings to the woman? You still choose BL novel?
I think something hentai (pervert) aspects of women, which every woman has deep down, are the reason of BL novel's popularity.
>>444 Like I said, that's not the reason I like BL, so no, all other things being equal, I personally would not choose a heterosexual romance over a BL one. Would other fujoshi? I don't know, I can't answer that question. But I will say that most American fujoshi that I've met are very open-minded. They like a good m/m romance just as much as an m/f one, or even an f/f one.
>I think something hentai (pervert) aspects of women
Well, like I said above, part of the reason is we think two men together is sexy. If you want to call that "perverted," then sure, go ahead. People like what they like. I don't see anything wrong with that...
>>445 Do you imagine yourself reading BL novels in your forties and fifties? maybe the point of being into BL novels is too much fantasy to boys or men's. If you get to know men or boys dirty sides, you might not have too much fantasy toward pureness of boys and men. Sorry if I am totally off the mark.
>>446 >If you get to know men or boys dirty sides, you might not have too much fantasy toward pureness of boys and men.
I can confidently tell you that there is very, very little danger of that among American fujoshi, at least. Unless a girl is extremely sheltered by her parents from a very young age, American girls have no fantasies about the "pureness" of men. That's part of what I meant when I said it's drawn by women, for women. *Because* it's sometimes so far from reality, it caters to exactly what women want. I also want to point out that there are many BL manga/novels that are all about gritty realism. The characters are realistic men, with realistic motivations and desires, and the story isn't a happy or pretty one at all. These kinds of stories are actually very popular with American fujoshi. We, as a group, tend not to like the ridiculously fluffy love-love stories that the Japanese fans seem to love so much. We acknowledge those as a kind of pleasant "candy" for the brain, something we can flip through quickly and smile at and forget about. It's the harder, grimmer, sometimes nasty stories that many American fans really like to read. Cultural differences, I guess.
These are all just general observations from being part of the BL "fandom" in America, I don't mean to stereotype.
>>448 So, there seem to be a differences between Japanese fujoshis and Americans from your ovservation.
In BL novels, boys only love boys, they never love women. Don't fujoshis feel frustration about it? I know frustration is not appropriate to what I mean but can't find better words. The men in the noivels never love you, girls which is of course as long as they are just characters in the novels but I hope you know what I mean.
>>450 Of course not. If we felt frustrated, why would we read it?^^ Fujoshi are rooting (cheering) for the boys, we want them to get together. That's the whole point. If we wanted to see men get together with women, we would read a normal romance.
According to the wikipedia article, they rather want it to be a homosexual story so that they don't have to feel jealous of any female characters getting involved with their favorite male characters. I'm sure this is just one aspect of their fujoshi culture or specific type of work made after some manga, but I find it interesting. It's twisted but somehow makes sense; they don't want anything that distracts their fantasy. As a male, I could read some lesbian story that's filled with lots of action and sex.
>>458 Eh, I suppose. Some "BL novels" have very little sex, or no sex at all. They're more about the relationship. But insofar as most of them are the story of a romance between two men, and there are often sex scenes, I guess you could call them エロ本.
>>462 I think usually not *reading* BL, but there are definitely girls who masturbate while watching it. In case you didn't know, there's a lot of animated BL.
>>466 There's definitely a disturbing trend of "female-bashing." I don't know if you've heard of Naruto, but there are some fanfic writers who write stories pairing up Naruto and Sasuke, and they'll have Sakura die some kind of horrible death, or treat her like some kind of incapable moron. This happens in just about every BL fandom where there's also a main female character. As BL gets more and more popular, it attracts more and more idiots... What can I say.
>>467 Why do you think women have to somehow interpose themselves into the situation? This isn't true at all. They get aroused by watching two men who are in love with each other, having sex. That's really all there is to it. There might be some women who imagine that they are one or the other of the two men, and that's how they get off. I honestly don't know, though.
>>468 No, there are still far more male "otaku" in America than there are female.
>>438 If I remember correctly, You wrote before you don't have any specific favorite Japanese actors or singers. You said you don't know much about them.
In >>438, >Absolutely. There are definitely some fujoshi that like Asian (or strictly Japanese) men, just as a personal preference. Hell, I'm one of them.
Does this contradict what you said before? I mean, in most cases, if you are interested in Japanese men, then you have favorite Japanese musicians or actors. I don't meant to interrogate you, though.
>>471 >I mean, in most cases, if you are interested in Japanese men, then you have favorite Japanese musicians or actors.
Why would I?^^ I just meant I prefer Japanese guys (talking about looks), just like another woman might prefer Italian guys or black guys. It doesn't mean I'm going to keep up with Japanese pop culture or have a favorite idol or something. There's plenty of Japanese bands I love, but I don't think that's what you're talking about...
>>472 Haha! Oh, please. Did you learn about the "jock hierarchy" from American TV shows? School here isn't actually like that. People associate with their own little "cliques", or groups of friends, but these aren't on any kind of hierarchy. You just hang out with who you want to hang out with. At least that was my experience. Maybe there are some schools out there just like on TV, who knows.
>>470 If you count normal anime/game fans as otaku, then yes, but I've seen more female ones who are real hard core otaku. When I see someone fanatically talking about less mainstream otaku stuff, 9 out of 10 times it's female. Mabe it's just me.
>>475 I'm tempted to say that's simply a product of the fact that in general, women like to *talk* more anyway. XD But yeah, all of these observations are so subjective, it's impossible to draw any real conclusions.
>>476 Well, you said "Japanese musicians or actors", so...
>>469 I don't know much about any of those names, though I watched a couple of episodes of Naruto on TV by accident and kinda enjoyed them. I'm not familiar with the hardcore part of the scenes though. I thought it was like some Johnny's talents work with female idols and some fans get really pissed, or something like that. That's all I can think of. And sure some of them are idiots. (Sorry, Johnny's girls here)
>>489 What are American university students or highschool students typical date like?
Japanese high school students date at places like karaoke, movie theater or just hang around down town but they never use car. yuo can get a driver's liscence from 18. Some university students use a car for dating. They sometimes go to "love hotel" or fuck at one of them's house if one of them live alone away from their hometown.
>>493 (I'm not >>489 but...) Eh, more or less the same. Going out to eat together, going to see a movie. Often they'll go on vacations together. My best friend went skiing with his girlfriend during New Years, and over spring break they're going to the beach. I live in SoCal, so yeah everyone uses a car to go anywhere. It's very easy for university students to fuck. Most of us live in the dorms. If you're not lucky enough to have a single (a room all to yourself), you ask your roommate to be "gone" for a few hours. We call this "sexiling" (sex + exile). XD Some kids live in their own apartments while they attend school, and obviously it's easy for them to find a place to have sex.
>>494 Well, given that I'm straight, my sexual orientation is normal actually.
>>498 When a uni studetns couple in Japan travel, the girl often tells a lie to her parents, saying she is traveling with her female friends. Because Japanese parents don't want them to travel with boys.
>>496 Compared to Japan I think any country is fashion unconscious. XD Funny thing is, being in Japan over the summer inspired me to pay more attention to how I dress. I dressed pretty normally before, jeans, tanktops, whatever. Didn't pay a whole lot of attention to layering different colors and shit. But in Japan it's amazing how much effort the young people put into their appearance. In my opinion, especially with the girls, that effort backfires horribly. But it made me want to take a little more time choosing the clothes I buy. After all, everyone wants to look nice.
It's kind of hard to describe clothes... My two favorite pairs of jeans are actually from Japan. You can't find jeans that awesome in America, or at least I don't know where. T_T And I wear mostly tanktops... Yeah. Nothing fancy.
>>499 Some Americans have that, too. Depends on their ethnicity. For example my best friend who's Chinese, her mom doesn't even let her sleep over at other friends' houses. Even if that friend is a girl. >_> And then some people have moms like mine, who trust their kids and let them do whatever the fuck they want.
>>500 Yeah, as I'm sure you know, it's the opposite here. High school is a fucking breeze.
>>502 Eh? You realize that like 99% of American fujoshi are straight, right?
>>506 I actually don't go on other boards, I don't have the fucking time. Helping you mofos out here takes enough time as is it is. XD And I get pretty good Japanese practice just reading and chatting in the threads here, too. I've had to tell people I'm American in the threads here because I want to convince them I know what I'm talking about when it comes to English, and my Japanese isn't good enough to allow me to do that. orz
What about camisole tops? They have been popular for the past five or more years and first they appeared in Japanese market and we see girls wear them in town, thier was a little of of controversy.
Camisole tops make look girls like too sexy and some say they make look girls like a prostitute or something. They look like underware.
>>505 Then what's in it? What do the fujoshi novels offer to that 99%? They go for the fujoshi novels over the Harlequin, right? I have an impressions that the Harlequin novels better offer what Americans want.
>>508 Hm... So is a "camisole top" like a spaghetti-strap tanktop? That's what we call them here; it means a tanktop with very thin straps. I don't wear things like the second picture, that's not my style. But sure, I've got some things like the first one. o_o I don't think they look like underwear at all...
>>505 >And then some people have moms like mine, who trust their kids and let them do whatever the fuck they want.
Trust? What do they trust? You end up fucking with a boy when you stay at his place overnight, right? Your parents trust you take contraception measures?
>>509 If you want my thoughts on it, scroll up. I've already talked about it a lot. I'll just say this: >I have an impressions that the Harlequin novels better offer what Americans want.
"what Americans want" is meaningless, just like "what females want" is meaningless. There are many women who like Harlequin novels. There are many women who like BL. There are many women who like both, and many who like neither. BL isn't *nearly* well-known enough in America to make any kind of popularity comparison. BL is known to a very small segment of the population who are already familiar with Japanese culture, and it's impossible to know how popular it could become if it were more widespread. American shows like Queer as Folk (I never watched it) appeared to have a large female audience, so maybe we're more inclined towards it than we think...
>>510 Haha. Dude, I'm American. Most of us in my age group (college students) cuss all the god-damn time.
>>511 Not true. I'm not trying to be harsh, but if you need to "study hard" in high school in America, you're not very smart. I went to a *very* good public high school, took all the AP (Advanced Placement) courses I could. (AP courses are supposedly college-level courses in high school.) And I fucking breezed through it. It's not hard. At all. American public education system BLOWS. And I'm currently going to one of the hardest, if not the hardest, universities in the country.
It's not the grades that get you into schools like that, it's also the extra-curriculars, all that bullshit you put on your transcript to make yourself look good.
>>513 Nn... what thread? o_o The peeps over in J->E got a little pissed off at me a few days ago but it only lasted like 10-15 responses and I apologized for the misunderstanding.
>>512 Even the one in the first picture looks like underware to me. It's the thin strap that makes me think so I think.
>So is a "camisole top" like a spaghetti-strap tanktop?
Maybe you are right. I'm not sure. There seem to be more types of camisole top, or spaghetti-strap tanktop in Japan. Some camisole top looks like a underwear, like this. http://nui.joyfullife.jp/archives/images/DSC01857.JPG
>>520 Doin' my best. XD I really like 'em though. They're a funny buch of guys, even the trolls. And there's something really fucking cute about a bunch of Japanese guys getting all excited about some completely inconsequential point in English. I'm sure I do the same thing when I'm talking about Japanese with friends, though. XD
>>516 You claim you are/were good student but If you are so good why didn't you go to Stanford which in CA. If you learn computer science, Stanford is the best place. producing lots of entrapreneurs in IT business.
If Private uni's tuition is the problem, I heard UCLA and US berkely are good state university. Never heard of California tech uni.
Do you think you are as good as those who are graduating from universities like Stanford or UCLA?
Just 'cause you haven't heard of it doesn't mean a damn thing. And fuck Stanford and their grade inflation.
Do I "think" I'm as good as them? What kind of bullshit question is that? I'm smarter than some people. I'm dumber than others. That's the way life is. Do I think the quality of the education I received is equal to theirs? Mother-fucking definitely, if not even better.
>>525 Haha, I told them I really wanted to play Halo 3, and one of the guys was like, "Okay, your handle's gonna be Master Chief." That guy's fucking awesome XD
Well, some Japanese love to rank schools by this standard called 偏差値, which is supposed to show the difficulty of being admitted to a school. And as you might know, university life is a breeze for most students once they enter their school.
>>530 Ha, I remember learning about that for the first time in Japanese class. Honestly there's a lot of universities in America that are like that. The number where you actually have to bust your ass is probably far less than the number you can breeze through.
>>531 素振り is practice swinging. If we have a special name for that stretch, I've never heard of it. o_o Sorry. I tried Googling just now but couldn't find anything.
>>535 Jesus, that looks really fucking hard. I wish I could do that. A "workout" generally refers to a bunch of different stretches/exercises done in sequence. So I would call this "an exercise to strengthen the back muscles".
>>536 Thank you. I'll respond to the question in the thread. By the way, do you really say in daily conversation, "fucking" or "Jesus" or words like that? Aren't you exaggerating here to look like a rebel against authority or something?
I just watched Batman Begins. It was amazing. Ken Watanabe died at the begining. I thought his was a bigger role than that. Christian Bale's body is crazy. He is made of muscle. I can't wait for the sequal The Dark Knight.
>>537 Haha, actually I type here exactly like I talk. Of course when I'm talking to adults or older strangers I keep it very polite, but with friends/family I talk like this. There's nothing rebellious or anti-authority about it^^ These days, at least in the area I live in, almost everyone cusses.
In america, those curse words are bleeped out on TV but in Japan they are not. American movies aired on TV are basically dubbed in Japanese, but we have a choice to listen to the original audio, in it there are plenty of curse words, like fuck, cunt, shit.
>>540 To be honest I've never seen anyone do it. I don't know a whole lot about stretches besides the basic ones that everyone knows... You could try googling "back exercises" or something^^
>>539 Have you done a cyber in a chatroom? I have. I have made a 18 year old girl come when chatting with her. Even with this poor English I managed to made her come believe it or not.
The Last Samurai is a good movie. Ken Watanabe's presense in the movie is overwhelming. I think Tom Cruise is a good actor, but he is recently continuously bashed by the internet and I don't like it. Leave Tom alone, please.
>>543 It's kind of unfortunate when Japanese people try to swear in English... It doesn't work very well. >_< This isn't just Japanese people, any non-native speakers who have an accent sound ridiculous when they try to swear. With swearing, if you don't pull it off right you end up looking like an idiot. Besides, swearing in Japanese (shit like てめえ and んだとこのやろー) sounds so fucking awesome, why would you rather do it in English...
I don't think Japanese has curse words in the same sense English has theirs. May be まんこ or クロンボ? I don't know. てめぇー ボケー カス or anything like that don't even come close to fuck or cunt in my opinion.
>>561 Past week has been pretty ronrey. T_T Last week was finals week. My friends were all locked up in their rooms studying and getting work done. I was the only one with a really easy term, so I had basically nothing to do. Now it's spring break, so I've been home since Friday night. One of my best friends is going to Vegas with some other friends, the other is going to the beach with his girlfriend. My other friends are all at Berkeley and aren't around here anyway. (Of course my friends at Caltech have also mostly gone home for the break so I can't see them.) So yeah... been passing the time reading books, chilling with my family, and hanging out on 2ch. I get my wisdom teeth out on Wednesday (fuck fuck fuck) so the rest of this week will be spent recovering anyway. Not a very fun spring break for me... (;_;)
>>593 The only ones I frequent with any regularity are 2ch, 4chan, ニコニコ, and Fark. Sometimes I skim Slashdot when I want something interesting to read, BBC when I want to read the news. There's a handful of communities on LiveJournal I read...
Fark was new to me. I did a quick research. It has similarity to Digg. What do you thin is the most interesting videos, If any, on Niconico?
Never known LJ has communities. Are they the place where people who has a LJ account participate? I don't know what the communities re like there. Are they like message boards with many threads?
>>595 Yeah I've been to Digg once or twice. I like Fark more, though. Maybe it's because I haven't given Digg a real chance, but Fark seems like it has more of a community. There are "Fark jokes" and references that only Farkers get, and those notorious users that everyone's heard of and loves to make fun of. I like that friendly kind of atmosphere.
As for ニコニコ, the ones with funny subtitles can be really great. Like the subtitled Indian-Thriller video, or a while ago some guy put funny subtitles on a video of clips from an old Japanese Spiderman TV show. But mostly I just click on random videos, and the comments are usually hilarious regardless. XD I don't know why but the casual commentary that people make on ニコニコ, probably with no intention of being funny, just crack me up sometimes.
LJ communities are basically like "shared" blogs. Anyone in the community can post to it, or comment on posts. It's not like a messageboard, just like a normal blog that's shared by more than one user.
I have told you guys before that in 2channel there are many girls who voluntarily show thier boobs and private parts responding other 2channelers' requests.
These photos are circulating by Winny and some put those photos on uploaders for everybody to download. They put them on downloaders just for a short period of time so it's difficult to encounter the chances.
I was lucky the other day to download lots of those photos. If you are interestend, I don't mind sending them to you. You show your e-mail address then I'l send them to you. They are not only image files but also video files taken my thier cell phones. Some do a masterbation in the videos.
>>607 I did an internship at a company in Japan last summer, and a friend that I made there told me about it when we were talking about popular websites.
A barefoot Ichihashi eluded capture when police came to his home that day to investigate the disappearance of Hawker, an English teacher with the Nova language school chain.
A man arrested over Sunday's stabbing spree that left one person dead and seven others wounded in Ibaraki Prefecture says he wanted to kill his sister, but unable to find her, he stabbed people at random.
He wanted to kill his sister! Why can anybody be thinking like that? I love my family!
"I stabbed (Miura) because I saw him by chance," Kanagawa was quoted as telling investigators Monday. On Monday, it was also found that Miura and Takahiro Yamakami, the victim who died in the Sunday stabbing rampage, were each stabbed in the neck just once.
You die just one stabbing in the neck? You gotta protect your neck, man. Protect your neck all the time.
Oh, I gotta put "from" in there! Darn, I thought I typed that way. It's so easy to mistype, I must be always on the lookout for it... Or,, is it "of "? Do you die of stabbing? hmm...
>>672 I'm japanese. But I think from is better. I was taught of is a cause of inner illness and from is a cause of rahter outer injuries by a japanese lecturer.
Finally had the interview this morning. The company was bigger than I'd expected, with around 6 designers, 15 salespeople and 2 receptionists. From looking at the standard of their websites, I expected only about six people at the most. The first fifteen minutes were talking about what I did and eventually want to do, then I was given a test... to spend 45 minutes making a basic 4-page layout for a fictional driving school, being only given a piece of paper with badly spelled and badly phrased information from a fictional client.
Finally I got you! If you have a time, please take consideration.
[That's why 4chan has moderators... and hopefully they won't leak into this thread too]
Can I ask the same question again. Why isn't the end of the sentence "either" instead of "too". I learned either follows "not". In the first place, I don't know why we have to use either with negative sentence. Too can be used for everysentece like I don't like her too.
>>678 >given a piece of paper with badly spelled and badly phrased information
Did your potential employer give you intentionally such a bad piece of paper for you to experience a client with bad grammar and spelling you might have to deal with if you are employed?
Or does that mean a person in charge of giving you a test is bad at grammar and spelling and made such a bad piece of peper full of misspelling and bad grammar?
Anyway, I'm relieved to know that you weren't infected with viruses you made on your own.
>>680 "Either" is usually used when you're talking about a choice of two things. "Either one is fine" can only be used with two objects, meaning one or the other - but not both. When I was talking about the threads, I meant 'as well as', rather than one or the other, so couldn't use the word "either" correctly there.
>>681 It was definitely intentional, for the same reasons you said. You might be surprised at the number of native speakers who can't actually use English properly. We often see people who can't tell the difference between "your" and "you're", and those who put apostrophes in the wrong places. Back when I was at university, I used to pass a stall selling jacket potatoes and sandwiches, and the sign on the sides always said "hot potato's".
>>683 That's because you native speakers learn English by ears first. We Japanese learn English through written materials so we never make such mistakes.
>>694 It has nothing to do with that. We learn proper English in school, too. It's just (at least Americans) people these days don't fucking read, ever. Not books, not newspapers, nothing. And they don't give a shit about being correct, as long as they get their meaning across they think that's enough. If you pointed out their mistake, they'd probably just shrug and laugh.
>>695 That kind of people end up staying at the bottom of hierarchy. Well, Even Dan Quale? who used to be vice president couldn't spell potato, so there are some exceptions though.
>>697 Anyone growing up in a country where English is the primary language.
>>698 I only wish that were true. But then you look at our current president... Seems like American society doesn't really value intelligence at all anymore.
>>704 Is it written down in some official document? I don't know. But it's common knowledge that Yale (and other Ivy League schools) do it. Sure, lots of people think it's ridiculous, myself included. Doesn't change anything.
>>706 If all sons and daughters of IV graduates can enter the IV unis then, there are almost no chances of other people entering the IV league colleges. That can't be true.
By the way, the woman who are interviewing Clint Eastwood graduated from Brown University, one of the IV league unis. How does her English sound to native speakers ears? Sophisticated?
>>710 Sophisticated isn't the right word. You can tell her English is close to perfect (but non-native) and she sounds very intelligent. It's about what I'd expect from an American in her position, interviewing a film director or something.
>It's about what I'd expect from an American in her position, interviewing a film director or something. I don't understand what you mean. You mean she lives up to your expectation as an interviewer?
>>713 And you say she'd been in the US straight from 5th grade to 11th grade? I'm kind of shocked. Those years are, I thought, pretty formative. I would have expected her English (and her accent) to be damn good. Just goes to show you how crucial those early years are, I guess... Or maybe she's just not very good at picking up languages. Anyway yes, it's totally wrong. You can't say "a good luck" in the first place, good luck isn't something you can have "one" of. We usually just say, "Good luck!" Sometimes, "I wish you good luck!" or "Hope you have good luck!"
>>714 >You mean she lives up to your expectation as an interviewer?
No, just that the language (the words) she uses and the kinds of things she says/asks are, I think,basically what an American interviewer in her position would also say.
>>716 Now I undersatand what you meant. Thank you.
Speaking of female interviewers, I sometimes see American female interviewers do an interview crossing her legs. Is that because the female interviewers intend to creat casual and relaxed atmosphere? Or there is no such a intention and she behave just as she wants?
In Japan, you can't imagine female interviewer do an interview with her legs crossed. It looks really rude and impolite to an interviewee.
>>718 Um... to be honest I don't think anyone really gives a shit about it over here. It's just another way to sit. Legs crossed, ankles crossed, whatever. Obviously if you're wearing a short skirt or something and you sit with legs crossed, that's a little slutty. But women in "formal" situations (interviews, whatever) aren't wearing short skirts so it doesn't matter.
It's not about formal or casual, relaxed or polite, it's just a way that many women sit.
>>719 OK. But if I had a chance of being interviewed by an American woman/men sitting with her/his legs crossed, I think it would be hard for me to repress my impulse of kicking their upper legs and making them sit with her knees put together. In men's case, it's all right if they didn't sit with their knees put together. I don't know about other Japanese.
>>720 Heh. It's funny how other cultures can be so concerned with things that you yourself find insignificant. Of course I'm sure there're many things Americans are very particular about that Japanese people think are trivial. Just funny how that works.
>>723 If a lady is an american, crossing legs when they speak is not really offensive. If I feel ofended, it's their assertiveness, the way they speak....
I have nothing valuable in my life except my okay English. Nothing special or professional about it. I can babble like an idiot in English, but no one compliments me that much. What should I do with my life? Am I worth living?
>>757 I think you can exterminate your life and go on to the next one. Next life wouldn't be so bad, with all the knowledge you have right now to turn to.
Wisdom tooth removal is one of the easiest operations. I've had two of them pulled out already. As long as they don't mess up the alveolar bone underneath it too bad, it'll heal up in a few days. You have to be careful about infections though.
I had my wisdom tooth pulled out because it was cavaty. I asked my dentist if I could bring it back home and he said "sure."
It was strange that I asked him the question because it had been a part my body until a few minutes back. It was obvious it is mine.
I showed it to my neice and nephew to make them realize if they don't wash their teeth carefully, they have to have their teeth pulled out. I still store it in a drawer and now I am thinking about putting it in Coke to see if the teeth melt if it is in it for a long time.
>>787 But maybe I won't experiment with it. hehe I feel affection to the teeth. I think I'll keep it in a drawer. Maybe it's a good idea to visit kindergartens in my neighborhood and give kids there some lectures, showing my pulled-out tooth and encouraging them to wash their teeth carefully every day.
Acids cause the demineralization in your mouth that can result in tooth decay. Fermentable carbohydrates help certain bacteria to produce specific types of acids that penetarte into the enamel, dentin and finally reach the nerve. You could possibly die from the bacteria circulating in your system when the immune system is too weak to fight the infection.
I heard all new born babies don't have the bacteria that cause tooth decay in their mouth. When a mother's saliva somehow go into her baby, then the bacteria in it begin to live in the baby's mouth. And if a baby is lucky enough not to have the bacteria in their mouth until a particular age (I forgot the age), then the bacteria don't live their mouth forever.
That kind of people actually don't have to wash their mouth. http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc1CKQ6MQrE This comedian on the left wearing a nectie with almost skin head said before that he's never washed his teeth and still he never has have tooth decay.
>>683 So, What's the difference between [they won't leak into this thread too] and [they won't leak into this thread either]? This quesiton may fill the gap between you and me in understanding the question.
>>795 But イギリス人さん said [That's why 4chan has moderators... and hopefully they won't leak into this thread too] is o.k and correct. with either is wrong.
I wouldn't care about such a trivial thing and would move on. But I'm not you and you are not me so go ahead. I shouldn't cut in in the first place, sorry.
>>794 »So they won't leak into [either] the first thread [and] the second thread. "Either" is used incorrectly here, because it's talking about an object AND another object. "Either" would correctly be used in an OR statement (below).
»So they won't leak into [either] the first thread [or] the second thread. Talking about an object OR another object.
What I was saying was an object AND another object, together. So I used "too" rather than "either".
Using "either" in positive or negative sentences is a different context, not really related to comparing two objects such as in the above statements.
>>780 I remember back at school, we did a similar experiment with Coke and a leg of chicken.
>>799 I speculate "not either A or B "is the same situation of "not both". But either is concentrating on respective object such as A or B? So in your brain You imagine this thread and another thread altogether? So you used too?
Correct me if i am wrong. I assume "they won't leak into this thread too" is a negative sentence. Is it right? And possibly "too" in the sentence does not modify?(修飾する) verb? Is Too not adverb but adjective in the sentence?
Sorry for being so tenacious and perhaps obnoxious.
If my questions made you feel tired, you can ignore . And Non-face-to-face communication has some limitation and neverthelss you answered my questions. I thank you very much.
Hmm, it's really interesting subject for me. I keen to know イギリス人 san's answer as well.
>>807 My English grammar dictionary, Practical English Usage, says "not either A or B " is used to join two negative ideas, which refers to "not both". "either A or B" is to talk about a choice between two possibilities (and sometimes more than two).
As イギリス人 san said before, he had been talking about two objects together in his sentences. In other words, he had been talking about two things not just without choosing, but without negative or positive meanings. I'm not sure whether my guess is correct or not, but イギリス人 san will answer your question, I hope.
Are these example sentences are helpful to understand イギリス人's sentence? He meant they leaked in to 4chan but hoped they won't leak into this thread too?
Personally I wouldn't mind using either and too wrong as long as I can make myself understood.
If the earth started turning around the sun in the opposite direction because I use them wrong, then I think I would have to learn how to use them correctly.
>>810 Holy moly, I didn't know you were gonna have all of them removed. That's insane. Usually, they take care of one side at a time so you can chew stuff on the other side... Did you request that? I bet you talk like some animal now.
>>813 Meh, at first the lady's like, "We'll do two today and you can come back for the third one." But it's like, why waste the time? Get this shit over with all at once. I'm just sad the fourth one is all curved and shit and I gotta go to some crazy oral surgeon for it. >_> But not gonna worry about that now.
I'm actually totally fine. The extraction itself was painless, they gave me shots (those kinda hurt) and then I didn't feel a thing. Turns out I was in there for 2 hours but didn't feel like that long at all. I think I spent most of the time lying there waiting for the shots to kick in. The top two slid right out, literally like twenty seconds. Bottom right was a bitch, they had to drill through some bone and shit. o_o That's (bottom) the only one that had to be stitched up, and it's the one that hurts right now. But they gave me Vicodin (which surprisingly enough doesn't make me sleepy!) so it's just kinda sore, nothing I can't live with. Basically I'm normal with a slightly (well, very) sore bottom jaw.
Let's play an ocello game. there you can play ocello game while chatting. Sounds fun, eh? I have to clean my house so I'll be back in an hour. If you want to play a ocello game with me, raise your hand here.
>>814 Yea, the bone on the lower jaw is much thicker and the wisdom teeth are usually buried deeper inside. Maybe a specialist will crack the last one and remove the pieces. The bone in the indented areas are going to grow back eventually , so you'll be ok. But it's amazing you asked her to pull out all the wisdom teeth at one appointment...
>>816 Wow, you seem to know a lot about this stuff. But is it that strange, getting 'em all out at once? I was mildly freaking out in the days before the appointment XD so I did a bunch of research online, just reading other people's accounts of their experiences. Seemed like a lot of people get four out in one go. But a lot of them also seemed to get knocked out, I just had local. After having gone through it, I think getting knocked out for something this easy is kind of ridiculous...
>>817 Now I fully understand why people call you Master Chief. You are the man. Sure it's not gonna kill you, but it a major surgery x 4 even though it's easy, so I assume a lot of people would hesitate to do that.. Anyway, I don't like dentists much, so I've learned a lot by myself so that my dentist cannot bullshit with me. And I sort of enjoy local anesthesia.
>>818 Haha, thanks man. Shit, I don't like dentists either, believe me. But this:
>so I've learned a lot by myself so that my dentist cannot bullshit with me.
this is a good policy. I'm getting increasingly paranoid that dentists/doctors are gonna feed me crap one day, just to get some money out of me. Maybe I'm just an asshole, but I feel like you can't really trust anyone anymore to be straight with you.
On the topic of local anesthesia, while I was lying there I spent a few minutes marveling at what science can do. Hit me up with two or three shots of that shit, and she can go in there hacking and cutting away and I can't feel a damn thing. It's pretty wild, if you think about it...
>>819 Lots of dentists are all about money, so you are not too paranoid there and I've read so many crazy stories. I'm sure there are lots of trustworthy dentists out there, but it's hard to find one if you don't know how. I've find that good questions and good answers work.
Local anesthesia can be entertaining to other people too. One day, I hung out with a friend right after my appointment, and of course I looked like a retard since I literally couldn't keep my mouth shut. I couldn't speak well, but I guess my face worked better than any joke I could have made...
When my mouth and gums were still under anesthesia, I drank a cup of milk. I could keep my lips shut so milk spilt from my mouth and watered down my joe.
>>830 Motherfucking Christ. You opened the topic so I'm going to vent, since I held myself back there. FUCK. Fuck they're annoying. I know they do it on purpose and they're morons, but fucking Christ. If I saw one of those motherfuckers in person I'd come this close to smashing my elbow through his teeth. Dipshits just spew complete and utter bullshit, and I just know some moron out there is going to believe them.
Why the fuck would you mess with me? I'm doing you a favor, because most of the translations you get when I'm not around fucking blow. I'm sitting here in mostly-numbed post-wisdom-tooth-extraction pain, translating the random bullshit you guys post because I don't feel like sleeping. And yet these douchebags find it fun to fuck around with me and insult me, because I'm a fucking 外人.
Jesus. You don't have to like me. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to translate shit. So why don't they just shut the fuck up if they don't have anything legit to say.
>>833 Looks like you've just got another purple heart. So sorry to hear that. Take it easy. Those MFs are simply resident morons. Just frag them. They will soon come back though. Anyway, nice hunting!
>>834 Ah, shit. You're right. And I'm not half as pissed as I sound up there, just needed to type out a few cuss words and blow it off. XD
>>835 Thing is this isn't ordinary trolling. I don't want people to believe this asshole and start saying shit like, "Have you been used to your new life yet?" That's why this really pisses me off. There's people trying to learn shit in that thread, and he's going to confuse someone. And when 50+ people apparently leap to his aid, what the fuck can I say?
>>833 Looks like you've just got another purple heart. So sorry to hear that. Take it easy. Those MFs are simply resident morons. Just frag them. They will soon come back though. Anyway, nice hunting!
I didnt watch it. I went to his profile page and theres a shot of him in front of his webcam underneath a sheet or blanket. Is it past his bedtime? Or does his dad get home drunk and burst into his room looking for some lovin'?
>>847 Why not have a look? At the end of the video, he wears a contented expression on his face and makes a peace sign. It's really gross and creepy. Please share this feeling with us. lol
>>849 He's friggin' creepy. He's very active on Youtube, like leaving comments on any videos of hot girls speaking Japanese. Yeah, I think you are right. He's doing his best to catch girls, especially when they look young like 14 (he actually said he likes 14 year-old girls).
I watched this video. hahaha! What an idiot! He gave money to that girl! And Applemilk is dead, thankfully. They found pics of her milking some guy's cock, and all her fans who dreamed of knocking up a virgin fled in tears.
Of course they do. There are heaps of girls who'll do anything to do anything Japanese. Don't forget the ones that answer in stupid english-japanese terms like "that is so kawaii!!! omgz i wish i could go to japan lolz"
>>857 Of course, I would do the same thing. Why? Because Youtube is real public. If you ignore someone that speaks to you, then other people watching you might think you lack respect. To put it another way, some girls responded to him because they want to give a good impression on other people, not on kgkgkg himself. (I admit there's always exception, though. I mean, some might be happy to respond because they want to be watched (and he watched her). KGKGKG takes advantage of such kind of feelings.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=1CXDQaXk54w Woud you guys transcribe this skit for me? I tried to pick up all words but couldn't. I made my own transcription. So please correct wrong words and add correct words to it.
A Yeah, it's like so shiny like the reflection.... B I was joking. That's not cool, boring. Ahh,, so you wanna go to this party we are going to later? A Ah, party? B yeah, it's gonna be lots of fun. Sara from accouting just got a new having ... home party. It should be great. A O.K. Well, who is it going? B Bill, Bill from accounty. He is also gonna be going. ....on seventh floor. Hey, remember that girl friend at chrismas party. She is gonna be going to it. It's a. It should ah. What? Dude. O.K. That's. I get it. That's gross though. It's not how you do that. It's not how you do that. You are doing it too slow. Stop. It's just real fast and you stop. O.K? That's disturbing. I can visually see.
C ah, what's up, man? B dude. That's not how you do that. C Oh, dude that's not. Are you serious? You just do fast and stop. That's it. B Dude, You are grossing me out. O.K? And stop making eye-contact. That's creepy too. Dude. That's not cool. You are crossing the line. You never do that. You don't do that. C image..... Don't want my head right now. B That is not How.. Dude NO, NO. You never make him touch me. And that's not cool. That's not how you do. Don't finish. You never finish. Dude, that's disgusting. I'm telling the boss. C You ruined my day. B boss! boss!
A Yeah, it's like so shiny, like the reflection... B I'm just joking. That's not really cool, that's boring. Um, so you wanna go to this party we're going to later? A Uh, party? B Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Sara, from accounting, she just got this new loft and she's having a house warming party. It should be great. A Oh, okay. Well um, uh, who's all going? B Bill, Bill from accounting, he's also gonna be going. Uh, Rick from the seventh floor. Hey, remember that girl from the office Christmas party? She's gonna be, uh, going, uh, to it. And it's um... They should uh... What? Dude. Okay, that-that's... okay, I get it. That's gross though. That's not how you do that. That's not how you do that. You're doing it too slow. Stop. It's just, it's real fast and then you stop. okay? That's disturbing. I can visually see...
I forgot the head part. Sorry. A Hi, Darren. B Terren. How is it going? A Pretty good. Really good actually. Yeah. I just got this car wax wash my car. It's amazing. B Ah, That's really coo.
>>870 C What's up, man? B Dude, that's, uh... Dude, that's not-that's not how you do that gesture, okay? C Oh, dude that's not--Are you serious? You just do it fast and stop. That's it. B Dude, you're grossing-you're grossing me out, okay? And stop making eye contact. That's creepy too. Dude. That is not cool! You are crossing the line! You never do that! You don't do that! C You're putting an image that I don't want in my head right now, all right? B Stop, that's not how you... dude NO, NO! You never make 'em (them) touch man! That's not cool! That's not how you do--dude, what are you--don't finish! You never finish! Dude, that's disgusting. I'm telling the boss. C You ruined my day. B Boss! Boss!
>>874 A Hey, Darren! B Trevor. How's it going? A Pretty good. Really good actually. B Yeah? A Yeah, yeah, I just got this new car wax for my car. It's amazing. B Oh, that's really cool.
Fist of all, Americans with suits and ties are refresing to me. They are too neat for americans. Americans have more sloppy and loose wearing style image. I think or know that's biased. But too strong impression for me.
And they look good and stylish, different from japanese 'salary man'. I don't know how americans see them. They may look average or not special from americans. But white people with suits and ties look good from japanese. It's not good but some illusion here in japan.
Skit itself is very impressive but somewhat leave bad taste on me. Vulgar gag aside, another factor made me feel blue. For me america is very stressful society. They have to do party(graduation party is famous) and make themselves look wear happy smile. Men have to be muscline like football players and girs have to be sexy like cheer leaders. Too much peer pressure. They look very artificial and overly from me.Americans must go to graduation party? Peope who don't go to that one are loser? I learned even Jeffrey Dahmer had gone to that one and failure left bad memory in him. I prefer British comedy, which is more dark humored.
>>882 It appears to me that car wax man is not cool and loser(lonely otaku) and party man is a typical winner. In japan having a party is not so common. Karaoke or nomikai(drinking at bar) is more common.
>>886 I presumed that highschool graduates go to a party with dresses and Tuxedos and have to find someone to dance with.
Cheer leading is a typical american culture, right? All girls are dreaming of becoming one? At least they are winner? Typical or not. They look very noisy and annoying. overly acting. They are fun for eyes though..
And I always wonder cheer leading touch the line of feminism or gender equality. They are so groveling to men... It's strange cos America is the home land of women's right, Feminist won't stir controversy about cheer leaders?
>>887 I don't think that's the point of the skit... At least that's not what I get out of it. I mean sure the guy is portrayed as kind of a car-freak and not interested in girls/parties, but it's hilarious because he's doing that gesture wrong. It's funny that he's doing it so weirdly, you're not really laughing at him because he's a loser but because he's making the gesture in such an odd way.
>>888 Ah, you're talking about prom. I didn't go to prom, although I went to what we call the "afterparty" with my friends.
All girls definitely do not dream of becoming cheerleaders. There's a stereotype that cheerleaders are pretty, stupid sluts. Cheerleaders are the butts of a lot of jokes (meaning we make fun of them), and they don't get much respect from a lot of people. But of course most of them are pretty, so they get a lot of attention from certain other girls and guys. Like you said, "fun for the eyes." Are they "winners"? Depends on who you ask. Some girls probably wish they were thin and pretty and could be a cheerleader. I think most of us just don't give a fuck. In America, most of us are concerned with doing our own thing. We don't really care too much what anyone else is doing, as long as it doesn't get in our way. Then again, I've grown up surrounded by certain kinds of people: the smart, cynical, more independent kind. There's probably a lot of very stupid young people (girls and guys both) out there, who don't really think for themselves and just follow the crowd. But I never personally hung out with them, so I don't know.
>>892 About cheerleading and feminism, America is full of controversies. Some people might say cheerleading is degrading to women. Others might say it's "empowering," because they're expressing their freedom and sexuality or some other bullshit. In the end, they're doing what they want to do. If the girls want to dress that way to get men's attention, it's their choice. Who can tell them otherwise?
Cheerleading is recognized as a sport, pretty hard one, that is. I guess some are just chacing butts of footballers but some are serious about cheerleading as a sport.
I'v never spent my high school days as an exchange student in US or anything, I don't have hands on experiences though.
One thing I don't get it is about cheerleaders of NFL. You have to go through tough try-out prosess to be NFL's cheerleaders but compared to salaries of pro NFL players, their salary is less than nothing.
As fat as I know, there were two Japanese cheerlearders of NFL so far. They are both of San Francisco 49ers. I heard their salary was 5000yen, about 50 dollars an hour. Maybge I am worng about ht number. I heard the story a long time ago.
Some women in cheerleading seem to be liquidating their womanhood. That is not very different from pimping themselves, I guess. And sometimes they say they are simply pursuing their happiness in their own way. Well, it's beyond me. But again, it's their call. I just say, "Whatever."
Japanese cheerleading culture is less matured than that of Ameican. After all it was imported to Japan. Not many high school in Japan don't have a cheerleading club so when there's a sport event such as baseball touenament, sometimes students who want to be a chearleader only on that occasion become chearleaders.
Baseball was inported to Japan about 150 years ago? but Japan won the World Baseball Classic held for the first time two years ago and proved the it's the most strongest baseball team among USA and Cuba, Korea and others, so who knows? Maybe in 22 century, Japanese chearleading can be the best in the world.
Figure matters. Japanese cheer leaders won't catch up with americans. They are so detrimental in figure, short legs, flat chest, thick legs.. And exaggerated expression on face and yelling are american culture. won't fit in with japanese.
>portrayed as kind of a car-freak and not interested in girls/parties Refreshing and interesting idea.
>he's doing that gesture wrong. It's funny that he's doing it so weirdly, you're not really laughing at him because he's a loser but because he's making the gesture in such an odd way.
Also interesting.. I thoght car mania guy made a masturbation gesture for a revenge. The taller guy made a up and down gesture first. I thought it was a cynicsm for the car mania. I thought the taller guy intended to make fun of him because car washing is as self-content as masturbating and nerdy. And shorter looks hurt. So He made a masturbating gesture to annoy him as a revenge. Is it tottaly false belief of me?
Why did taller guy made a up-and-down gesture? What did it mean? >because he's making the gesture in such an odd way. What did he try to expres in a gesture?
>>915 So if you make that "masturbating" gesture while someone's talking excitedly about something, it means you think the other person is just babbling, and you're not interested in what they have to say. You think they're just talking for their own benefit, kind of like how you masturbate for your own pleasure. So you're right about the "revenge" thing. The first guy did it because he didn't give a shit about the other guy's car. The other guy did it to "get back" at the first guy, basically saying, "Well I don't care about your party, either!" (But he does the gesture so weirdly, it's hilarious.)
>>917 Hmm. I thought shorter guy was depicted as geek and creepy guy while taller one as out-going and positive. I was too ignorant or thought too much..