手ぶれ補正付き一眼レフ PENTAX K100D Part.10

1 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 04:54:28 ID:XqjEKFKu0

【ＰＥＮＴＡＸ公式】
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/35mm/k100d/

【過去スレ】
手ぶれ補正付き一眼レフ　Pentax K100D K110D
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1148342154/
手ぶれ補正付き一眼レフ　PENTAX K100D Part.2
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1148619095/
手ぶれ補正付き一眼レフ　PENTAX K100D Part.3
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1149585197/
手振れ補正付き一眼レフ　PENTAX K100D Part.４
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1150721223/
手振れ補正付き一眼レフ　PENTAX K100D Part.5
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1151554780/
手振れ補正付き一眼レフ　PENTAX K100D Part.6
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1151886333/
手ぶれ補正付き一眼レフ PENTAX K100D Part.7
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1152291978/
手ぶれ補正付き一眼レフ PENTAX K100D Part.8
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1152652811/

【前スレ】
手ぶれ補正付き一眼レフ PENTAX K100D Part.9
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1152891372/

※注意※
連投キチガイ荒らしは放置、反応して餌を与えないようにしましょう。
埋め立て荒らしにも毅然とした態度で応じて、荒らしに費やした時間を
無駄にしてあげましょう。

2 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 04:55:17 ID:XqjEKFKu0

【関連記事】
価格.comレビュー
http://www.kakaku.com/article/ad/06/k100d/
デジカメWATCHニュース
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/dslr/2006/05/23/3844.html
写真で見るペンタックス「K100D」
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/05/25/3853.html
デジカメWATCH実写速報
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/07/03/4120.html
カメラファンが注目する「K100D」の特徴を、
開発者インタビューや使用レポートなどを交えて、徹底的に解剖した！
http://kakaku.com/article/ad/06/k100d/
Shake Reduction FACT Sheet
http://www.pentaxslr.com/images/SHAKE_REDUCTION_FACT%20SHEET.pdf
デジタルARENA
http://arena.nikkeibp.co.jp/news/20060523/116794/
デジカメWATCH【1st Shot】ペンタックス K100D実写画像
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/review/2006/07/14/4207.html
デジカメWATCH【長期リアルタイムレポート最1回】
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/cda/longterm/2006/07/14/4217.html

3 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 04:56:25 ID:XqjEKFKu0

一応立ててみました。
補足お願いします。

4 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 05:00:54 ID:XqjEKFKu0

【関連スレ】
ペンタックスが1000万画素デジイチ出すよ
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1140771650/
PENTAX *istD part42
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1148089877/
PENTAX *istDS/DS2 Part28
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1149404064/
PENTAX　*istDL／DL2 Part 3
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1147148304/
PENTAXレンズ総合スレ 26本目
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1151556013/
☆★☆ペンタックスｽﾚｯﾄﾞ@デジカメ版☆★☆ﾊﾟｰﾄ4
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1143342508/
☆ PENTAX *istD Software etc. 総合研究所 ☆
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1073978344/

5 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 05:05:50 ID:XqjEKFKu0

K100Dスペシャルサイト
http://www.k100d.jp/

K100Dスペシャルサイト-mobile
http://k100d.jp/mobile

6 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 06:46:21 ID:tXTSoLm00

>>1乙

今日は大雨か…屋外でSRの効果を試そうにもつらいものがあるな…
モンベルのカメラカバーもあまり役に立たなそうな勢いだしな…

7 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 07:14:58 ID:u9v6wLIz0

>>1 乙

K100Dを購入後、それとは別に既に中古レンズを三本も買ってしまった・・・やべぇレンズ沼にいきそうだ

それとFA50mmF1.4だと思って購入したらFA50mmF1.7のだった・・・F1.4の前機種みたいだけどF値以外何か違う？
それはそうとNikonの50mmF1.4は4.5Kなのになんでペンタのは15Kもしたんだろう？そんなに性能ちがうのか？

8 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 07:22:09 ID:VeEtR5c70

>>7
F1.7はF1.4の前機種では有りません。
廉価版50mmで、併売されてきました。
絞り羽根がF1.4=8枚、F1.7=6枚。
描写の傾向もちがう。
デジとの相性は良いよ　＜F1.7
銀塩では「貧乏でなければF1.4いっとけ」と言われてたけど、
*istD発売以来F1.7の評価が上がり、中古価格が高騰した。

9 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 07:30:17 ID:v2Gv1kJQ0

>>7
おめでとう。FA50/F1.7はF1.4よりもデジタルでは相性のいいレンズだよ。
*istDs発売と同時期にディスコンになった。
ちなみに基本的な違いはF値の明るさ以外だと絞り枚数（1.7は6枚、1.4は8枚絞り）かな？
15Kなら多少のプレミアついてるけどだけど、まぁ妥当なとこでしょ。

そういやNikonの4.5kって凄い安いと思うんだけど。それって古いMFレンズじゃなかった？
AFの50mmF1.4D（新品38000円）がその値段だとすると、逆に何かあるのかとかんぐっちゃうけど。

10 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 07:35:27 ID:XqjEKFKu0

>>6
雨きついっすね。一昨日買ってから大忙しで今日やっと空いたらこの天気orz
初ペンタなのでとりあえず操作に慣れる練習でもすっか・・・
次にマトモに撮影に時間当てられるの再来週だよ・・・

>>7
どうなんだろうね。
両方とも良く知らないんだけど
中古レンズは需給関係や程度でも大きく値段変わってくるので難しい。
今度中古屋寄った時にでも買ってみようかな。

11 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 08:00:02 ID:SMdj1tpT0

八王子ヨドでレンズセット頼んだら、西口から取り寄せだった。
西口の人ごめんｗ今日うはうはしながらとってくるｗｗｗ

12 ：7：2006/07/17(月) 08:30:57 ID:p1o65cOa0

>>8　>>9　>>10　レスサンクス

そっか、相性いいのか！良い買物したな＾＾さっそく試し撮りに～って雨かよ・・・orz

Nikoｎの4.5KはAFの1.4Dだったよ。３ヶ月補償もあったし、見た限りではカビやゴミ混入もなかったから
単に在庫が捌けないだけかも～なにせリサイクルショップに並んでた奴だから

13 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 08:43:41 ID:QhzFy7KO0

私もFA50mmF1.7をK100Dにつけてみましたが、ピンボケ連発します（前ピン）。
ちなみにA50mmF1.4でもMFですが前ピンになりました。シグマのレンズでは
ちゃんとあいます。50mmレンズってこんなもんなんですかね？それとも俺の
がたまたま2本ともダメなのか？

14 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 08:46:10 ID:ua+ADcxN0

>>12
購入おめ。でも最近FAレンズ始めkマウントの中古の良品が手に入りにくくなったね。
これもK100D効果なのかな？

15 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 09:03:39 ID:N1M8h77j0

>>13
ウチのFA50mmF1.7は問題なかったです。
MFも試されてるので視度補正とかも確認してあるりますよね？
シグマのレンズだけ合うってのが困ったオチですね、他のペンタのレンズは大丈夫ですか？
ボディでなくレンズの不具合だといいのですが。

16 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 09:21:05 ID:XqjEKFKu0

>>13
シグマのレンズは何?

17 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 09:24:24 ID:TZnf66lR0

>>15
MFの時はセンサーがあった時にシャッターをきりました。A50mmF1.4はAFでは
ないので。自分の目で合わせればもちろんピントはあいます。両レンズとも
ピントが合ったときの解像力はすばらしいものがあります。
価格comでもFA50mmF1.4のピントが甘いという話題がありましたので、ひょっと
する私のもそうなのかなと思いまして･･･。単にハズレならFA50mmF1.4でも
買おうかな･･･。

18 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 09:28:27 ID:TZnf66lR0

>>16
28-105mmF2.8-4。これが写りが悪いんだあ。K100Dといっしょにタムの28-75
も注文したんだけど、これが品薄でもまだ届かん。せっかくK100D買ったのに
楽しめないよお。
　ちなみにタムの70-300でもピンとはあいました。

19 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 09:44:02 ID:oY9RJ+LB0

動く物撮るのかどうですか？
９クロスって事で期待があるんですけど
連射のは事ではなく。AFの精度とか追尾力とか

20 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 10:00:44 ID:v2Gv1kJQ0

>>17
前ピンは開放撮影での現象でしょうか？
F2.8以上に絞っても全然ダメですかね。

DSにせよK100Dにせよ、AFのセンサーはそんなに高精度なものを積んでいないでしょから、
F1.4クラスの開放撮影でピントが怪しいのは仕方ないと思います。

うちのFA50/F1.4もAFではピント精度はあれなんで、AF利用ならF2.8以上に絞った方がいいと
思いますよ。

F2以上に開けて撮るならフォーカスインジケーターを頼らないで、自分の目を鍛えるしかない
と思います。

ちなみに比較対照のレンズ（シグ、タム）共に暗いレンズで、被写界深度はFA50/F1.7やA50/F1.4
とは比較にならないと思います。

21 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 10:12:54 ID:TZnf66lR0

>>20
　やっぱり、絞らないとダメですか。開放でもピントが合ったときの解像力
ときれいなボケはものすごく魅力的なんですがね。目で合わせるのは疲れる
なあ。価格comの口コミをみると開放でも大丈夫という人と甘いという人が
いますね。やはり多少は当たり外れもあるのかも。
　ちなみに古いM40-80F2.8-4のマクロでも試してみましたがセンサーによる
ピントあわせは無問題でした。

22 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 10:40:48 ID:TZnf66lR0

>>20
　今、FA50F1.7を使用して、机の上のおいた定規を50ｃｍくらいの距離から
斜めに写しましたが、F1.7～2.4までは約1ｃｍの前ピン、2.8あたりから精度
が上がり始めてF4.0でピンポイントで合うようになりました。でも、これって
成績悪いよなあ。F2.8でもちょっとダメだったもん。タムのA09が手に入った
らもう一度試してみます。

23 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:15:28 ID:v2Gv1kJQ0

>>22
う～ん・・そこまでよくないのであれば、調整に出した方がいいかもしれませんね。
じゃなければMF主体で使うか・・・。

ちなみにFA50/F1.4ですが、開放時の描写は光線状態に結構左右されます。
輝度差が激しい被写体では結構フレアっぽい描写になるのに対し、比較的フラットな光線状態であれば
開放でも、そんなにほわほわという事はありません。
この傾向はF2まで絞ると大分収まってきます。

また、ある程度深めのフードをつけることでも若干改善されると思います。
自分はHS-14というNikon 105mmレンズ用のフードを49→52のステップアップリングを使って装着してます。

24 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:23:36 ID:7aMVOnKE0

前スレで、「M42等のレンズを使うとEV+2位しないと暗い」と言う話に誰かが「Mモードにしろと書いてある」
と言うからP.188を見直してみたけどそう言う風には見えなかったけど読み方間違ってる。？　
AvモードだとEV補正さえしておけばシャッタースピードを合わせてくれるから、Mモードなんか使いたくない。
誤差が生じる事がありますと書いてあるからそんな物かもしれないけど補正上限と言うのは嫌だな。

25 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:33:12 ID:EtWO/pC10

おいおい、スレが２本立ってるのに…ちゃんと確認してから立てなよ>>１
乱立はよくないぞ

手振れ補正一眼レフ PENTAX K100D Part.5(回帰)
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1151887474/

手ぶれ補正付き一眼レフ PENTAX K100D Part.8
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1152659944/

26 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:38:48 ID:7aMVOnKE0

>>25 それは昔間違ってたっていた物で緊急避難用として残しておけば良い。
ここが本スレ。

27 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:41:54 ID:ouOp2uK90

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28 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:42:28 ID:ouOp2uK90

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32 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:44:39 ID:dghNoOgK0

>>23
　他のレンズのフードを手で押さえながら試してみたら、かなり改善されま
した。なるほど、こういうことが原因だったかもしれませんね。ありがとう
ございます。またひとつ勉強になりました。でも、このレンズのフード持って
ないんだよなあ。
　ちなみに、A50mmF1.4でもインジケーターを見ながらピントを合わせて定規
を写すとまったく同じ結果でした。この手のレンズはDA化されるのを待った
方がいいんですかね。調整はできないらしいし。

33 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:44:50 ID:ouOp2uK90

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41 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:50:23 ID:RhxQGQE30

42 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:50:57 ID:RhxQGQE30

43 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:51:35 ID:RhxQGQE30

44 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:52:14 ID:RhxQGQE30

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46 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:53:20 ID:RhxQGQE30

47 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:53:54 ID:RhxQGQE30

48 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:55:19 ID:7aMVOnKE0

早くもEditor's Choice
American Photo Magazine Editor's Choice
http://www.cameratown.com/news/news.cfm?id=2819

Entry-Level D-SLRs:

Editor's Choice 2006 Olympus EVOLT E-330
Best Buy: Samsung GX-1L (GX-1L はistDL2のOEM)
Pentax K100D

49 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:56:47 ID:NCiAW4Pd0

今北産業
何で荒れてんの？

50 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 11:59:56 ID:7aMVOnKE0

有名税

51 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 12:00:42 ID:boSHo42I0

誰かスレ立てて
http://qb5.2ch.net/sec2chd/

52 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 12:15:29 ID:ouOp2uK90

53 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 12:18:02 ID:RNp+s0B10

盧大統領「日本とは対決しなければならない」
「米国は友邦なので厳しく責めることは出来ないが…」

盧武鉉（ノ・ムヒョン）大統領が今月11日に行われた与党ヨルリン・ウリ党の指導部および
国会の統一外交通商委員会に所属する議員らとの晩さん懇談会で行った発言が波紋を
呼んでいる。

一部新聞は懇談会出席者の証言を引用し、盧大統領は「ブッシュ米大統領が北朝鮮問題
を善と悪の対立概念で見ているため、説得が難しくなっている。米国は友邦なので厳しく
責めることは出来ないが、日本とは対決しなければならない」と語ったという。

ソース：朝鮮日報
http://japanese.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2006/07/17/20060717000017.html

54 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 12:21:54 ID:7aMVOnKE0

よく見たらちゃんとテンプレがコピーされていないね。　誰かお願い。

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マルチ臭くて済みませんが、こちらが本スレと聞いたので、下手糞ですが再度作例をあげさせて下さい。
K100D+TAMRON AF18-200 F3.5-6.3 XR DiIIで撮りました。素人の手持ち撮影での参考例として…

BSアンテナ、200mm、露出時間1/125、F値6.3、iso800
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717013039.jpg

プチトマト、200mm、露出時間1/45、F値8.0、iso800
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717013734.jpg

屋内の置物、200mm、露出時間1/10、F値6.3、iso800
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717014225.jpg

焼き鳥（塩手羽先）、55mm、露出時間1/8、F値6.7、iso800
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717014619.jpg

店内のSPと照明、118mm、露出時間1/3.3、F値5.6、iso800
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717014756.jpg

日本酒１合、68mm、露出時間1/3.3、F値6.3、iso800
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717015056.jpg

全てJPEG★★★です。

58 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 13:01:45 ID:ejknt+uW0

K10スレは立ってますか？

59 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 13:11:26 ID:7aMVOnKE0

>>58　無いと思う。　発表までは話題も無いだろうからしばらくここで合流でもいいんじゃない？
>>57 補正4段越えがいくつか有るね。　すごいの一言。

60 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 13:42:41 ID:C4Obl9Ck0

>>57
焼き鳥と日本酒が実にうまそうに写ってますね。酒飲みに行きたくなる･･･。

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65 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 13:57:23 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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66 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:00:02 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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67 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:00:33 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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68 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:01:09 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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69 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:01:44 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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70 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:02:16 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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71 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:04:38 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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72 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:05:28 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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73 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:06:00 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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74 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:06:11 ID:iFEFikej0

やっとペンタスレも荒れるようになったかー
暖かい気持ちで見守らせていただく

75 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:06:39 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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76 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:07:19 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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77 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:08:02 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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78 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:08:42 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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79 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:09:15 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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80 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:10:13 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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81 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:10:43 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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82 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:11:28 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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83 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:11:59 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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84 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:12:21 ID:EaGd2oRG0

>>74
とはいっても、容量制限で書き込めなくなるので勘弁

まぁ、ｱﾗｼ報告はしたが…

85 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:12:51 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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86 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:13:52 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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87 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:14:09 ID:iFEFikej0

またスレ立てればいいじゃない
ログ残らなくてもいいじゃない
そのうち嵐さんも飽きますよ

88 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:14:28 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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89 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:15:34 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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90 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:16:07 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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91 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:18:07 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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92 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:18:44 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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93 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:19:24 ID:7aMVOnKE0

【関連記事】漏れ
【画質レビュー】ペンタックス「Ｋ１００Ｄ」で夏の沖縄を撮る
http://it.nikkei.co.jp/pc/news/index.aspx?n=MMITdp000013072006

94 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:19:29 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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95 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:20:07 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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96 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:24:07 ID:7aMVOnKE0

>>57 すごいので手振れ補正の効きを出してみた。　本当は本人の実力相対になるのだろうが。
１）BSアンテナ、200mm、SS1/125：　1段弱
２）プチトマト、200mm、SS1/45：　2段
３）屋内の置物、200mm、SS1/10：　4.5段
４）焼き鳥（塩手羽先）、55mm、SS1/8：　3段
５）店内のSPと照明、118mm、SS1/3.3：　5段
６）日本酒１合、68mm、SS1/3.3：　4段弱

特に５）は、5段だよ。　それもすごいがピントもAFでしょ？

97 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:28:20 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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98 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:29:49 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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99 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:30:36 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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100 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:30:58 ID:EaGd2oRG0

>>57
焼き鳥見たら腹減ってきたｗ

101 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:32:04 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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102 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:33:09 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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103 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:33:50 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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104 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:34:03 ID:aTLS7F3D0

>>96
ttp://satocame.exblog.jp/3746169/
ここの勉強会ってやつ、ペンタの中の人が講習に来てたのなら、
5段ってのも嘘じゃないかもね
画期的だなー

105 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:35:43 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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106 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:36:46 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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107 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:37:31 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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108 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:38:24 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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109 ：X"CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 14:40:00 ID:mYYQKBZ90

…そろそろかなｗ

http://qb6.2ch.net/_403/c403.cgi

110 ：57：2006/07/17(月) 14:40:09 ID:9USPp2bu0

全てAFでAUTO_PICTモードです。何も考えずに撮って何処までイケるか知りたかったので。
素人にしては手振れが少なく済んだのは無論RSの御陰ですが、他の要素として、
・座って撮ったこと
・壁やテーブルが有ったので、体の揺れを止めやすかったこと
等が有ると思います。しかし、それでも凄い結果だと思います。

111 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:40:19 ID:iXGOb1e00

いやホント、ペンタのカメラに関する話題で
ここまで荒らされるの初めてだね。

やっぱりそれだけK100Dが他社エントリー機にとって
よほど脅威ってことなんだろうね。

112 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:40:52 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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113 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:41:56 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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114 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:43:12 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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115 ：X"CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 14:43:33 ID:mYYQKBZ90

…賢いヤツは回線を切り替えるらしい。

116 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:43:51 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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117 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:47:19 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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118 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:51:02 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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119 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:52:05 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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120 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:53:02 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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121 ：X"CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 14:55:47 ID:mYYQKBZ90

…インターバルを長くするほうを選んだ、か。

次スレは旧*ist D/DS/DL系統と合流させたほうがいいだろうな。

122 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:55:56 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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123 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:57:02 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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124 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:58:06 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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125 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 14:59:06 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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126 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:00:14 ID:PI0H1cYC0

一瞬αスレに誤爆してるのが笑えるな

127 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:00:15 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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128 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:01:09 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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129 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:02:11 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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130 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:03:24 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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131 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:03:58 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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132 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:05:00 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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133 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:07:23 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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134 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:08:16 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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135 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:10:10 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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136 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:11:26 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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137 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:12:08 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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138 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:13:09 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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139 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:14:41 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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140 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:15:57 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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141 ：X"CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 15:16:52 ID:mYYQKBZ90

ｵｲｵｲｗ、ＲＥＶ汚何やってんだよｗ

142 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:16:59 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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143 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:18:03 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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144 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:19:03 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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145 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:19:50 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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146 ：X"CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 15:20:23 ID:mYYQKBZ90

折尾支部すげーなー（笑）

147 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:20:49 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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148 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:21:51 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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149 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:22:25 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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150 ：X''CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 15:23:11 ID:mYYQKBZ90

市原猛志クンｗ

151 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:23:26 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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152 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部福岡県支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:24:40 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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153 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:26:05 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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154 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:26:42 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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155 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:27:28 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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156 ：X''CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 15:27:29 ID:mYYQKBZ90

…今埋めてんのは市原猛志クンらしいｗ

157 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:28:59 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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158 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:30:08 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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159 ：X''CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 15:30:14 ID:mYYQKBZ90

…もう次スレ立てて無力化したほうが結果が早いだろうな。

160 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:30:50 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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161 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:33:59 ID:q6HMLWOh0

連休の最終日だってのに仕事熱心なやつがいるもんだね
一銭にもならんのに何が楽しいんだか

162 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:34:11 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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163 ：57：2006/07/17(月) 15:34:36 ID:9USPp2bu0

調子に乗ってもう少し…

祭り、28mm、露出時間1/20、F値5.6、iso800
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717152535.jpg

ミニ花火、18mm、露出時間4、F値3.5、iso200
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717152818.jpg

紫陽花、68mm、露出時間1/60、F値6.7、iso200
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717153142.jpg

今回も全てJPEG★★★、AF、AUTO_PICTモードです。

164 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:34:44 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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165 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:35:45 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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166 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:36:20 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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167 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:37:21 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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168 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:38:23 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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169 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:39:05 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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170 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:41:14 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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171 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:42:25 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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172 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:43:36 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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173 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:44:24 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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174 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:44:30 ID:ZULP/1XF0

>>163
花火って、手持ちですか？？

175 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:45:06 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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176 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:46:36 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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177 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:47:06 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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178 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:47:32 ID:EaGd2oRG0

>>174
こんなの手持ちしたら死にそうｗ

179 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:47:51 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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180 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:48:25 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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181 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:51:35 ID:dIpZUrFo0

>>178
でも手持ちじゃん、あれは

182 ：57：2006/07/17(月) 15:52:34 ID:9USPp2bu0

花火は思い切り手持ちです。固定して撮るよりゆっくりパンして撮った方が綺麗かなと。
もっともこの時は風が出ていたので、三脚の方が綺麗に流れたと思います。

183 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:53:34 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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184 ：X''CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam ◆KN.C37077Y ：2006/07/17(月) 15:54:07 ID:mYYQKBZ90

…市原クンのお国板のデビュースレがこれ（笑）→http://makimo.to/2ch/ebi_chiri/1005/1005819955.html

変質者さながらの発狂ジサクジエンモード炸裂、ってな感じで「釣れる」とヨカンさせたのは誰もが承知（笑）

＃ヲ・ヲォ～レ様降臨のアトは…やはり学歴の差がモロに出て居場所がなくなったらしい（微笑）
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

名前欄ちゃんと書いとけよｗ
↓

あ　ぁ　栄　光　の　北　九　州　

1 名前：市原猛志 01/11/15 19:25 ID:???

かつては，四大工業地帯にも数えられ,栄華を誇った北九州。
政令市原指定都市の次(東京都特別区を除く)に指定。
一大製鉄基地で高度成長を支えましたよ。
しかし，安定成長に入ってからは,相対的に地位が低下。
今では政令市の歴史の浅い仙台にもあおられる始末。
政令市政令市とうるさい向きもあるが,（下位政令市に多い）
こっちは，40年近い歴史あり。（Ｓ３８年指定）
人材も多く排出しましたさ。，，，なのに，，，

北九州を擁護するスレッドです。

185 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:54:08 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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186 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:54:48 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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187 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:55:51 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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188 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:56:35 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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189 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 15:57:05 ID:p1o65cOa0

そういえばキャッシュバックの１万で心配する人もいるが、初期出荷台数が15000台だろ？
1.5億じゃん。キャンペーン期間までに50000台出荷して全部にキャッシュバックしてもたった5億だよ？
広告費、人件費、TVCM考えたら全然安くね？その分キャッシュバックに還元されてると考えればいい。
と思ったがどうか？

190 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:57:49 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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191 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:58:50 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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192 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 15:59:24 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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193 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:00:26 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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194 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:00:57 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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195 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:01:35 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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196 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:01:40 ID:q6HMLWOh0

>>178
オレは分かってるぞｗ

197 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:03:08 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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198 ：57：2006/07/17(月) 16:03:23 ID:9USPp2bu0

はいはい、手持ち「撮影」ですってばw。

199 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:03:44 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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200 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:04:05 ID:EaGd2oRG0

>>181-182
あぁ、手持ちでしたかorz
火の粉かぶって出直してくる…ﾉｼ

201 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:04:17 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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202 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:04:26 ID:mjeazkzp0

> ................................................................................................................................................................................................................................>>1>

1の後の「>」は何なんだ？
タイプミスくらい修正してからコピペしろや＞FUKUMORI

203 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:04:50 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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204 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:05:53 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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205 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:06:18 ID:pxlGHU3Y0

俺が手持ちロケット花火をやって、親指に1.5cmの水ぶくれを作ったのは内緒だ。

206 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:06:56 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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207 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:08:00 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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208 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:08:31 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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209 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:09:02 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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210 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:09:50 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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211 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:10:21 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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212 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:11:24 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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213 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:12:00 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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214 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:12:30 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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215 ：57：2006/07/17(月) 16:13:15 ID:9USPp2bu0

今夜も撮影会（と称した飲み会）に行きたいところなのですが、あいにく仕事が入ってしまいました。
貧乏ってイヤですね。そんな訳で、どなたか居酒屋シリーズ（笑）を続けて頂けませんか？

ところで透明あぼーんを設定していると実にスガスガしいですね。

216 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:13:34 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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217 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:14:13 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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218 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:15:01 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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219 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:16:36 ID:eTlEkdvr0

リロードするたびにカウンターだけが増えていく。

220 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:16:50 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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221 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:17:44 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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222 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:18:16 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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223 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:18:48 ID:eTlEkdvr0

近所のヤマダにいって現物チェック、カタログいただき。
みんなの言うとおりAFが早くなったようだ。
秋の中級機まで我慢中。

224 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:19:00 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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225 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:20:12 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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226 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:20:17 ID:D2/xRNXl0

オレもカタログもらってきた。
在庫無かったけど今月中に買いたいよ。

227 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:20:44 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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228 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:21:47 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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229 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:22:21 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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230 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:22:54 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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231 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:23:37 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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232 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:24:14 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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233 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:24:14 ID:D2/xRNXl0

M42マウントのレンズを何本か持ってるんだけどこれも手ぶれ補正が効くんだね。
200mmも手持ちでいけそうなんで楽しみ。

234 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:25:19 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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235 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:25:59 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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236 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:26:34 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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237 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:27:06 ID:D2/xRNXl0

タクマーでレンズが黄色っぽいのがあるんだけどホワイトバランス調整でごまかせそうだね。
銀塩でカラー写真だとどうしても入れがおかしくなる。
ネガならともかくリバーサル使えないからね。

238 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:27:06 ID:CdNgjuXV0

フィッシュアイズームを買おうかどうか迷っている初心者の俺は、
まんまとペンタックスの作戦にはまっているような気がする。
でも作例見ていると広角で遊びたくなるんだよなー。

239 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:27:15 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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240 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:28:18 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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241 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:28:35 ID:D2/xRNXl0

なんかカタログ見てるだけでもウキウキしてきた。
こんなのLX以来だよ。ホント

242 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:28:59 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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243 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:29:34 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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244 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:30:22 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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245 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:31:01 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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246 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:31:29 ID:D2/xRNXl0

ペンタックスにとってもSP以来のヒット作になりそうだね。
istが出た頃から中古市場でペンタックスのレンズが品薄になったけど、また手に入りにくくなるな。
短焦点のラインナップが欲しいんだけど。
ズームって撮影の緊迫感に欠けるんだよｗ

247 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:32:06 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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248 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:32:25 ID:eTlEkdvr0

貯めた8万円握り締めてDA12-24買いにいったんだけど、展示品をDsにつけて
覗いているうちに、どんな写真を撮っていいか浮かばず、そのまま帰ってきました。

これにあといくら足せば中級機が買えるんだ。

249 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:32:41 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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250 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:33:18 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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251 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:33:58 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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252 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:34:59 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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253 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:35:30 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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254 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:36:19 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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255 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:36:50 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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256 ：57：2006/07/17(月) 16:37:03 ID:9USPp2bu0

もしDA12-24買ったら、街でスナップ撮りまくりますね。
見慣れた景色ほど、強烈なパースペクティブで新鮮な映像になりそうです。
勿論、室内での集合写真にもお勧めw（何でも酒がらみですね）。

257 ：自治厨支援協会九州地方支部：2006/07/17(月) 16:37:22 ID:vGjTBGJB0

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258 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:40:32 ID:D2/xRNXl0

DA12-24確かに欲しくなるなあ。
視線を買えて上や下から撮るとスンゲー印象変わるからね。

259 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 16:42:07 ID:s0unTHXg0

>>256
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260 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:12:10 ID:EtA+KhMM0

X''CULTer's / Esprit de Digicam
こいつキモイからあぼ～んしたいんだけど、なぜかうまくいかん。

261 ：57：2006/07/17(月) 17:14:20 ID:p8iyVWOu0

そぉだ！DA12-24でなくSIGMA 10-20mm F4-5.6 EX を買えば2万近く浮くから
その分、居酒屋でもっと飲めます！

262 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:16:29 ID:4mbhX9hq0

>260
お使いのブラウザのスレで質問するがよろし。もしくはヘルプ参照。
もしもJane系なら、ヘルプに、「コテハンとトリップを同時に登録すると効きません。」だそうな。
俺はトリップのみ登録してる。

263 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:16:31 ID:d+kMXBrI0

>>260
これらをNGワードかNGネーム登録するお

X''CULTer's
KN.C37077Y
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264 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:21:31 ID:fvKyKqDx0

>>57
お前、ウザ杉！

265 ：57：2006/07/17(月) 17:22:29 ID:p8iyVWOu0

>264
そりゃ済みません。ボチボチ仕事なんで消えますね。

266 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:23:01 ID:EtWO/pC10

うわっすっごいな…
467KBって、あと40K近くで終了か。
15～20回コピペしたら埋まるね

267 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:23:22 ID:5Tou+hIG0

GKがまた荒らしてるって聞いて飛んできました

268 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:29:06 ID:JjGz6ZEE0

連休最終日に何やってるのこのバカタレはｗｗ

269 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:30:27 ID:d+kMXBrI0

現在このスレは、北九州の基地外、GK、キヤノネット、自治厨等、様々な人間に狙われています。
ペンタ社員も負けずに頑張って下さい。ｗ

270 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:35:53 ID:m5ujd4hSO

EXはコピペする暇あるなら、中学英語の勉強すればいいのに。

271 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:53:13 ID:8qRNcKYm0

近所のコジマ逝ったらK100Dの陰も形もなかった・・・orz
DL2のみ店頭展示、代わりにキヤノンが大イベント中w
しかし透明あぼんにしたら、レス番飛びまくるな。

272 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 17:59:51 ID:zYsGq3fl0

>>265
画像、参考にさせてもらいました、ありが㌧

また見せてください

273 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:04:27 ID:EtWO/pC10

あぼーんにしてるから見えない。確認用
>>249 >>250 >>251 >>252 >>253
>>254 >>255 >>257 >>260 >>263

274 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:06:50 ID:EtWO/pC10

正統スレ争いに乗じて自治厨か

275 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:28:19 ID:fGe8p8rQ0

ああ

276 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:29:14 ID:IV+oHpz60

うちの周辺でも殆ど在庫ナシ。（展示品ならある）
妻の誕生日プレゼントに買おうと思ったのですが。

277 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:30:58 ID:d+kMXBrI0

通販ならまだ買えるって。探してみ。

278 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:36:25 ID:hSNsoprV0

>>57
ＵＰ乙です！

Jane Styleを使ってるんだけど、画像を見ようとすると
「サイズ大きすぎ」って出ちゃうよ。
どうしたら見られるかわかる方いませんか。

279 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:53:20 ID:aUBzFim60

>>278

ツール->ビューア設定->その他->「ピクセル以上の画像を展開しない」
かな?

280 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:57:29 ID:5WZaREfw0

こんなに早々と品切れって事はα対策の発売日変更はとりあえず成功ってことかな

281 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 18:59:27 ID:DAr0djvQ0

金曜日に貰い損ねたガイドブックを今日ゲットできたヽ(´ー｀)ノ

282 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:02:03 ID:PmUtKQAGO

>>280
継ぎ目の無い入荷で信長の鉄砲三段撃ちみたいになると一気に天下が狙えるね。

283 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:02:05 ID:ErmteY6x0

α発売日にも品切れだとちょっとまずいけどね（出揃ってから比較しようとしてた人たちが全部流れてしまう）。

もっとも、α指名買いの人たちはペンタとどっちかで悩むとは思えないので、あまり影響ないかもしれないけど。

284 ：278：2006/07/17(月) 19:02:44 ID:hSNsoprV0

>>279
見れました！
スレ違いの質問に答えてくださり、せんくすです！

285 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:11:35 ID:Z8p8Y4990

みんなK100D買ってくれてありがとだお。
これからもペンタは地道にがんばるお。
BY　ペンタの中の人

ちなみに生産間に合ってないお。
ごめん。

286 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:13:14 ID:ErmteY6x0

>>285
フィリピン人を２，３人過労死させても構わないのでなんとかしてください・・。

287 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:16:13 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>285
ペンタは製品品質管理が厳しいからなかなか簡単に増産できないお。
不良品をお客様に買わせるわけには行かないお。

288 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:16:36 ID:Hp8hpjRD0

>>286
応援ありがとう！
フィリピン人の指をオマケに付けておくから、遠慮なく買ってくれ！

289 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:17:55 ID:Z8p8Y4990

間違えた・・・
>>286だったお

290 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:18:54 ID:7aMVOnKE0

立ち上がり弾切れは痛いね。　がんばって補給してください。

最初ボディーだけ見たときは思ったより小さく、これならコンデジとあまり変わらないなと思い、
シグマ17-70を付けるとやはりでかい。　このボディーには出来るだけ小さなレンズが似合うね。
DA21はまだ入荷していないから待ち遠しい。

291 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:26:37 ID:UZEhkxk40

>>285 >>287
デジカメ部門を売り払えという某糞株主を黙らせるようにがんがってくださいな
いろいろとお布施しておきますた

292 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:29:27 ID:Y8b8X5T70

英語勉強しろよカス

293 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:33:54 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>291ありがとだお。
企業だから利益は産まなきゃいけないけどC社やN社みたいなぼったくりは、
ペンタはしないお。だから入社したつもり。

294 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 19:56:20 ID:d+kMXBrI0

あんま他社を刺激すると、工作員が沸いて来るから止めれ。ｗ

295 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:00:13 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>294 ごめん。
他社さんのことは悪く言うつもりはないお。
写真文化が発展していけば良いと思うお。

296 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:05:32 ID:xxs75LEq0

夕暮れ時～夜景撮るとかなりオーバーになる
昼間の様に明るく
夜景モードも試したが改善されない
だいたい1.5から1.7マイナスしないとダメ

これは個体差なのでしょうか

297 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:22:16 ID:EMQFqRD+0

>>296
スポット+ＡＥロック使え

298 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:22:54 ID:m44wzlaz0

K100D付属のデジタル一眼レフ活用ガイドブック
よくまとまってるな。濃い人たちにはもの足りない
だろうけどデジイチ初心者の漏れにはピッタシ。
撮影楽しくなってきたな。うん。

299 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:28:43 ID:t3k4nDAn0

>>296
夜景モードで撮ってる？
AUTOPICT？

300 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:30:28 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>298
ありがとだお。
あれはペンタの中ででもメチャメチャカメラをわかってる人が作ったお。
かなり分かり易いお

301 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:34:36 ID:Vz6cvvDP0

Pとシーンの夜景
中央重点で撮ったがかなり明るかった
Dsだとそれなりの露出になるのでかなり違和感を感じた

302 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:43:19 ID:scc+MLXi0

ペンタの中の人、頑張れ～。

303 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:46:22 ID:IRVmbMCz0

ペンタの中の人さん。ディスコンされたレンズはデジタル対応で復活するの
でしょうか？

304 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:48:05 ID:kmMuMVLy0

>>298
＞K100D付属のデジタル一眼レフ活用ガイドブック
＞よくまとまってるな。
P15のステップ２の説明のなかのアイコンがおかしいし，
P47の写真のストラップがistDのものだったりするが，
写真文化を育てようという心意気が伝わってくる良い付録だと思った。
この値段で手ぶれ補正一眼が買えて，とても満足。
21mmも買っちゃったよ。

305 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:50:06 ID:FIdCM60A0

こうやってちょこちょこ報告してくれるのは嬉しいね
これからも頑張ってね～＞中の人

306 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:50:26 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>☆でしょ？
がんばってるお。
でも設計かなり難しいお・・・
ごめんだお

307 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:50:47 ID:jbkyBIe10

>>303
中の人ではないけど、レンズスレでこんなのあったよ
http://hobby7.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/dcamera/1151556013/729

308 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:54:06 ID:Z8p8Y4990

やっぱりDFAって、銀塩を使っている人もデジ一を使っている人も両方満足していただけるレンズを作るのは
なかなか難しいお。

309 ：●hanpen● ◆hVR/d8X1wY ：2006/07/17(月) 20:55:46 ID:G5cjvHcB0 BE:39336454-

今日は雨が降ってきたんでほとんど撮れず。

K100D & RICOH XR RIKENON 50mm F2
jpeg撮って出しでこのぐらい、古いＫﾏｳﾝｺの中でも解像野郎かと。

http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717204942.jpg
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717205005.jpg
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717205116.jpg
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717205200.jpg
http://2ch-dc-ita.gotdns.com/~dc-ita/cgi-bin/imgboard/img-box/img20060717205259.jpg

ペンタの中の人、がんがって。
フィリピンにも足を向けて寝られませんな。

310 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 20:57:18 ID:7aMVOnKE0

>>306-307 今更フルサイズ用レンズを出すと言うのは何か裏があるのかな。

311 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:00:45 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>310
それは秘密だお。
でも基本的には銀塩のお客様も大切だってことだお・・

312 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:00:46 ID:8iTQNlq+0

>>308
タムやシグみたいに、コーティングだけ変えてさっと出すわけにはいかない
んだね。カメラメーカーだと。がんばって。

313 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:02:30 ID:e3txPz//0

うーん何でISO200からかなぁ
例のCCDならISO100も可能なはずなんだけどなぁ
晴天屋外で200使うのはアホらしいなぁ

314 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:02:43 ID:7aMVOnKE0

>>309 へ～、さすが。

315 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:03:34 ID:wyJTM85D0

>>306
星レンズも気になるが、中級機はいつ頃になりそうですかね？
DS使いのおいらとしちゃ何らかのアナウンスがないと苦しゅうて苦しゅうて・・・

316 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:03:57 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>312
SMCはペンタ独自の技術だお。
シグにタムもいいけど納得して純正買って欲しいお。
損はさせないお。

317 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:06:50 ID:7aMVOnKE0

>>312 エコガラスを使わないといけないから設計しなおしになるんだろ。

318 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:09:09 ID:lCbLHYqh0

>>304
> 21mmも買っちゃったよ。
そこが罠なんだな、おいらも買ったけどw

319 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:09:24 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>315
中級機はもう少し待って欲しいお。
おれはだいたい分かっているけどまだ言えないお。
Phototinaまで待って欲しいお・・・

320 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:10:24 ID:8iTQNlq+0

スターレンズ以外も復活してほしいなあ。24-90とか。ま、とにかく今は
デジタル化移行の時期で大変でしょうが、頑張ってください。

321 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:12:27 ID:XpeZuVbL0

誰かAF-C試した人いないの？

322 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:14:16 ID:wyJTM85D0

>>319
フォトキナ・・・
ってことは10月以降は確定ってことだな・・・

期待してますのでいいモノだしてくださいね～

323 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:18:31 ID:EtWO/pC10

げえええ…10月以降か(>_<)
8月末発表で9月発売って噂が出てたから、もう少しだなと思っていたのだが…

でも完成度の低い機種になるより、ずっといいか。

324 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:18:48 ID:sMN39pYA0

昔me-superとLX使ってたけど、最近の盛り上がり見てると
また一眼レフほしくなるなあ（今はコンパクト）、
当時はレンズメーカーの玉はダメダメでひどく印象が悪いですよね。
最近はマシなのかもしれないけど、冒険して銭捨てるのいやだし
やっぱし純正レンズがいいなー、特に単玉
昔はme-superに40mm&ラバーフード＆ハーネスで腹止めして山登ってました
あの軽さと小ささはありがたかった、今も似た組み合わせあるのかな。

325 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:21:30 ID:9XI3GrXpO

何か、応援したくなってきた

買ってみるかぁ～ D50持ってるけど･･･

326 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:22:03 ID:7aMVOnKE0

>>321 一度試したよ。でもスポットAFでやったから追いかけるのが大変だった。
被写体ハトの歩き。　全然参考にならないけど。
　
AFが被写体から外れる事がよく有ったので、中央に入れるとちょっと時間がかかる事があったが
仕方ないのかな。　
その所為かバッファフルだったのかわからないがシャッターが押せない事が結構あった。

AF-Cは、全面AFでやった方が良さそうだね。

327 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:22:32 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>323
サービスするお。
Photokinaに出展するなら９月の発表だお。

328 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:22:50 ID:K/+HekBg0

かってこれほどまでに早い進行のスレがペンタにあっただろうか
DL/DL2スレなんてまだPart3だってのに

329 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:24:31 ID:t3k4nDAn0

>>321
今週晴れたら新幹線と戦闘機撮ってくるわ

330 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:24:43 ID:Z8p8Y4990

みんなありがとだお。
K１００Dを可愛がってくれだお

331 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:25:31 ID:EtWO/pC10

>>327
噂によると、中級機もｶﾅｰﾘびっくり価格らしいね。
安いのは嬉しいことだけど、中級機なんだから
外装含めて妥協せずにスペックアップした製品を期待してます☆

…俺もペンタに転職してえな。高い給料じゃなくてもペンタで働きたい

332 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:25:34 ID:wyJTM85D0

>>327
おお～
待ち遠しいじゃねぇか～

あと2ヶ月ほどか・・・
まぁ思えば9月なんてすぐそこだな。

楽しみ楽しみ＾＾

333 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:26:20 ID:PmUtKQAGO

ペンタックスが先手をとったのがファンを奮い立たせたよね。

334 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:27:44 ID:Z8p8Y4990

>>331
ペンタに来い。
カメラ好きはいくらでも来ていいお。

335 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:31:30 ID:EtWO/pC10

>>334
リクナビネクストで、求人情報クリップしますた！
次の応募時には参加しますわ

336 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:33:45 ID:EtWO/pC10

あ…ＨＰ見たらいつでもカモンってか。
>>334先輩待っててくださいよーｗ

337 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:40:54 ID:kzmelYlS0

～お　ってキモいんだが・・

338 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:42:25 ID:/lpXxH/p0

内蔵ストロボは、AFレンズじゃ無いとフル発光？

339 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:44:45 ID:scc+MLXi0

～お。
可愛いじゃん。

340 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:46:57 ID:Yj0FTfD/0

ファインダーがスッキリして明るいね
デジカメの性能については、よく分からないけど
写真を撮る気にさせるのは、スペックじゃ無くて、こういった所だと思う。

341 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:48:02 ID:m2mu55tY0

>>337
P社の２０代ＯＬが書いていると想像して読め

342 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:49:21 ID:q6HMLWOh0

>>337
しかも受付に座っている上玉だ

343 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:50:46 ID:HKMf1pX20

>>337
俺も。
お　さえやめてくれれば。

344 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:52:53 ID:gu0C+C5q0

キモイのなら他にいくらでもいるだろ

345 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:53:13 ID:6/SJmcJC0

>>309
透き通るような画像を見て、K100Dが異常に盛り上がっている理由がわかった。
D50を売って買うべきか。D50も結構気に入っているので悩むところ。

346 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:55:30 ID:iU9YG58F0

>>345
ニコンから買い換えても
カメラの機能でD50より勝る所って100Dはないと思うけど
手ブレ補正以外

347 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:57:32 ID:EtWO/pC10

>>345
ニコンのレンズ資産があまりなく、D200にステップアップする気ないなら、
こっち乗り換えても後悔しないと思うよ！
>>346
画質が気に入ってるんでしょ。Ｄ50は、若干赤かぶりだし…

348 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 21:59:16 ID:gu0C+C5q0

いや、普通に両方使えば良いだけと思うけど

349 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:00:30 ID:GoyIh/4B0

宣伝なしでこれだけ盛り上がるとは
スマッシュヒットになりそうだねえ

しかし、ほんとに好きなコアなファン以外は
αやキスデジとかになっちゃうんだろうなあ

手ブレ防止内蔵や、見易い液晶など
パパママにもぴったりだと思うけどねえ

350 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:06:46 ID:EtWO/pC10

“パパママ”で表現される層は、積極的に機材を吟味しないから
広告代理店に頼んでイメージ付けしてあげないとダメなの。
そういう意味でキスデジが強いんだろうな…納得いかないけど

351 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:11:39 ID:7aMVOnKE0

でもパパママは、子供に予算を割かないといけないから安くて良い物を買う。
店員の対応次第だな。　売り場に社員を派遣できるかな。

352 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:12:34 ID:dMCPJ7sl0

テレビＣＭしないの？
＞中の人

353 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:17:03 ID:7aMVOnKE0

>>57 補正効果の計算を間違っていた35mm換算で計算しないといけなかった。
換算すると0.5段補正効果が大きくなるね。
(35mm換算）
１）BSアンテナ、200mm（300）、SS1/125：　1.5段
２）プチトマト、200mm（300）、SS1/45：　2.5段
３）屋内の置物、200mm（300）、SS1/10：　5段
４）焼き鳥（塩手羽先）、55mm（82.5）、SS1/8：　3.5段
５）店内のSPと照明、118mm（177）、SS1/3.3：　5.5段
６）日本酒１合、68mm（102）、SS1/3.3：　5段

354 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:19:30 ID:z+SeLzzg0

>351
ちがう。
パパママは、カメラの善し悪しなんて判らないので
良い性能のカメラを買うのではなく、ぱっと見た良い印象のカメラを買うのだとおもう。
企業イメージがよい、afが早い、連射が早い、ズーム率が高い・・・
昔の暗黒ズームを搭載したコンパクトが良い例じゃないかなぁ。
パパママには、テレビCFはやはり重要だと思う。

355 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:24:15 ID:Qps4XCm10

だおだお気持ち悪～と思ってるのは俺だけか？

356 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:25:46 ID:RKGVMEGB0

“パパママ”が来ましたよｗ
これまでずっとMZ3＋FA50mmF1.4メインで撮ってたけどジョーシン祭りに釣られてデジ一にようやく移行。

357 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:25:53 ID:2HGWckfb0

俺はそれほどでもないが...

358 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:26:48 ID:RKGVMEGB0

MZ3じゃなくてMZ-3ですね。ちなみにMZ3も使ってます。

359 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:29:12 ID:TvGNHPiI0

中の人が会社にばれて首になったりしませんように…

DFA200ミリ作ってください
100マクロみたいに質感より軽さ重視でいいので

360 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:30:05 ID:EtWO/pC10

ＴＶＣＭで実弾合戦になったら、キヤノンに負けることは明白なんだから
パパママとは違う層にターゲットを絞って広告打ってるでしょ。

カメラ専門紙やウェブ上での使用レポ…。
まずは、モノの善し悪しを自分で決めるサブカル層を狙ってるのではないかと思う。
この層では他社に負けない自負があるでしょうし、そういう層をくすぐる宣伝をしてる。高額な媒体を使う必要もない。

そこから火がついて、あわよくば周辺層にも波及すれば…ってスタンスじゃないのかね

361 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:32:04 ID:hSNsoprV0

>>355
私も「～お」とか嫌ですね。
でも、すぐに中の人とわかるから、その点だけはいいですけど。

362 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:36:43 ID:hSNsoprV0

今まで数年間コンデジを使ってきたのですが、
思い切って（ボンビーなので）、K100Dのレンズキットを買っちゃおうかなと考えています。

ただ、一つ不安な点があるのですが、付属しているＲＡＷのソフトって
初めての人でも操作はわかりやすいでしょうか。
色を補正したりとか、是非やってみたいんですけど。
中の人も含めて、どうか教えてください。

363 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:41:11 ID:ZvaS4vPF0

>>360
サブカル層にものすごい勢いでアタックをかけているのがキヤノン
サブカル系オサレ雑誌のカメラ特集読んでみ。キヤノンのカタログかと思うから。

で、サブカル雑誌でほめられていると「周りとは違う良いものがわかる自分」を確認したくて
どんなクズなモノでも買ってしまうのがサブカルと呼ばれる「風船のような脳みそ」(サブカル)の持ち主たちの購買動向。

364 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:44:37 ID:t3k4nDAn0

>>362
RAWを保存したフォルダを指定すると、ずらーっと一覧ででるから
JPEG現像したいのをダブルクリックしてJPEG保存ボタンで保存するだけ

微調整とか全部見た目に解りやすいスライダーだから
説明書なくても誰でも簡単に操作できますからご安心を。

365 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:45:08 ID:z+SeLzzg0

>>362
とりあえず自分が満足すればＯｋならそんなに難しいものではありません。
試行錯誤のコストがほとんどかからないのがデジの最大の利点。考えすぎずに取り組んでみてはどうでしょう。

366 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:47:26 ID:dMCPJ7sl0

>>360
カメラ雑誌に、浅田美代子が「さんまのからくりテレビ」の賞品でGetしたDL2を愛用してることが出てたね。
銀塩一眼歴はあるそうだし、猫写真はなかなかよかった。
こういう実際使ってる姿が紹介されるのは説得力があるけど、これで周辺に波及は難しいか。

367 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:49:46 ID:EMQFqRD+0

>>362
学研からこんな本が出てるから読んで見ると良いんでは

http://www.clubcapa.net/cgi-bin/ap/db/dsp.cgi?BBSID=254&SEARCH=t&item10=M00154&SORT=item12&SORTORDER=0&DSPNUM=100&TEMPLATE=/clubcapa/mook/mookdsp.tmpl

368 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 22:52:39 ID:EtWO/pC10

>>363
あぁそうか…確かにそうだわ。サブカル系雑誌はキヤノンだよな
新聞、ＴＶにかかる金と比較したら、雲泥の差で安いし…手を付けない理由がないか。

ペンタはネット媒体を使って、使用ルポを多く出してるな。
機材を貸出して、一般人のブログ経由で評判高めようともしてる…
費用対効果は当然プラスなんだろうと思えるが
ネットの情報を頼りに商品選びをする層って、やっぱり多くなってきてるのかな？どのくらいを見積もってるのだろ…

>>366
クリックすると、自分が撮影したようにパッと画像が表示されるＰＣの方がインパクト大きいだろうね。
俺もその雑誌買ったけど、あれでペンタにしようとは思わないｗ

369 ：362：2006/07/17(月) 22:55:02 ID:hSNsoprV0

>>364,365,367
皆様、せんくすです！
頑張ってみます。

370 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:05:27 ID:mUVBej0k0

>>331
中級機もｶﾅｰﾘびっくり価格らしいね。

手ぶれ補正+1000万画素だとα100と被るんで、
あれより低価格でしっかりしたボディーで出せれば、
良い線いくかも。

371 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:09:22 ID:EtWO/pC10

>>370
それと、連写性能やバッファの大容量化、シャッター速度のバリエーション、ペンタプリズム
…などなど。

372 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:10:20 ID:m44wzlaz0

>>304
ストラップは赤字の"PENTAX"でよかったかもねw
この付録9/30までって言うのはちょっともったいないかな。
夏以降検討する初心者ユーザーのためにも配布して欲しい。
あっ漏れもDA40mm買っちゃったよ。

373 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:10:56 ID:TbmQ+zCX0

そうか、1000万画素で手ぶれ補正ってことはα100と被るんだよな。
でもペンタ中級機はD200と被ると思ってるのだが・・・。

しかし、すると、実はα100はD200と同じクラスだったのか？？？

374 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:11:43 ID:TvGNHPiI0

旅行雑誌とかに広告プラスで実機貸し出してハブリシティー展開とかは
旅行だとペンタの軽薄短小路線が見事にはまる

たまひよとかには広告だしてるのかな？
妊娠出産は何回もあるわけではない人生の大きなイベントだからその後の子供の写真も含めてカメラを買う時期かも

色々もの入りだから価格弾力性は高いはずでキャッシュバックには敏感に反応するはず

375 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:12:10 ID:wyJTM85D0

CMか～

いっそ過去の「ペンタックス、ペンタックス・・・」ってヤツを台詞だけちょいと変えてそのまま流せば？
当時のはまだ残ってるよね？

そうすれば経費もそれほどかからないと思うんだが・・・

って、その懐かしいCMをまた見てみたいだけなんだけどね。

376 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:13:32 ID:EMQFqRD+0

>>373
カメラとしての性能が全然違うでしょ

377 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:14:09 ID:r6cZNGZD0

AF速くて好きだよ。

378 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:19:58 ID:gu0C+C5q0

>>374
出産向けにはビデオカメラという強大な敵がいるから。
自分も赤ちゃん撮りは基本動画なんだよね。

379 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:22:37 ID:dMCPJ7sl0

>>374
カメラ雑誌よりも、そっちの方向から攻めた方がいいかもね。
パンケーキセットでの旅。
カメラバッグらしくない、旅行向きの専用バッグを作る。
他のメーカーの一眼では絶対入らない大きさで。

380 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:24:49 ID:8qRNcKYm0

>>378
でも、子供の成長記録って、あとあと改めて見るのは
写真なんだよね。うちの子のビデオ撮りっぱなしで、
全然見てない・・・。

381 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:27:33 ID:XXNouZiG0

一昨日購入したばかりですが、写せなくなりました。

シャッターを切り再生するも真っ暗。プレビューでも試し撮りしても液晶は真っ暗。　
SDカードを抜いてPCで確認するが真っ暗なデータのみ記録されており、念の為カードを替えて撮影しても同じく真っ暗なままです。

取説に書いてありましたが、電池を抜いて再度入れ直しても同じでした。

勿論、レンズキャップは抜いておりますが、このような症状で心当たりの方はお見えでしょうか？
一昨日はしっかり撮れていたのに本日急に調子がおかしくなりました。初期不良でしょうか

382 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:27:52 ID:TvGNHPiI0

ムービーか…
それだと大きくプリントとかアルバム保存などの「写真」としての魅力の点から訴えていくような広告が必要だね

383 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:29:22 ID:4S4csdSr0

そうそうビデオなんて録画したドラマと同じ。
撮ったことに安心して見やしない。
たまればたまる程見るのがかったるくなるし。
だいたいデジカメになっていくらでも撮れるから静止画データですら整理がままならない時が多いのに。

384 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:30:30 ID:SMdj1tpT0

300mm＋K100Dの組み合わせで手持ちできる！！すげぇ！！

385 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:34:29 ID:t3k4nDAn0

>>381
ダイヤルをAUTOPICTにしてメニューから設定をリセットしてもだめ？
だったら販売店に持ち込んだ方がいいかも、交換してくれるよ

386 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:35:49 ID:m44wzlaz0

最近ぼんやり同じ事考えてた。ビデオ撮っても見ないけど
写真は見返すよね。ただ、最近みんな印刷してる？
漏れはPictBridge対応の小型の昇華型プリンタで良いのは
すぐ印刷してる。K100Dの中で撮影データの色調とか
明るさ換えられるのは結構便利。印刷も早いよ。
PCに入れてるだけじゃビデオと大差ないと思うぞ。

387 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:36:13 ID:J8cMRzqz0

お店で聞いたんだけど
防水対応もしっかりやったみたい。
なんでカタログでPRしないんだろう？
不思議な会社だ。

388 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:36:37 ID:hLNZ0BMV0

>>189
ヒント；直リンと　"h"抜かしのURLじゃ二桁ヒット数が違う

キャッシュバックといっても換金率は１００％じゃない

389 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:40:48 ID:TvGNHPiI0

キャッシュバック終わったら仕切りや小売価格は下がるのかな？

390 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:42:04 ID:r6cZNGZD0

>>389
メーカーが勝手にやってる事だから小売店には関係ない

多少下がるとは思うがキャッシュバック分下がるのはワンセクション時間があると思うよ

391 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:45:35 ID:TvGNHPiI0

そうなんだ
俺はてっきりそのぶん仕切りが高くて期間終了で本来の仕切りに下がると思ってた
だったら小売りは今の内に一台でも多く売らなきゃだな

392 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:47:37 ID:r6cZNGZD0

このカメラはレンズの関係から最初から欲しいって人が来るから頑張ってK100売らなくてもいいよ。
別のカメラ売れば良いだけだから　小売から見れば

393 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:51:26 ID:gu0C+C5q0

自分はHDV編集までする方なので・・・まぁそれは人それぞれ。

左手で赤ん坊抱いて、右手でDA21＋K100Dというのもやりますよ。
手ぶれ補正重宝してますわ。

394 ：名無CCDさん＠画素いっぱい：2006/07/17(月) 23:52:49 ID:ZFpZP9Xy0

MFでもピントが合うと「合焦マーク」が点灯するんだね。
superAからいきなりK100Dに移行したから、驚くことがいっぱい。
ユーザー側に立ったカメラ作りをしている。
たたし、反応（スピード）が遅い。サムソンの手を借りて向上させてくれ。