鬱病とエセ鬱の違い
Risk city. Change may come slowly for other reasons. Some FBI supervisors believe it would
be a mistake for special agents to stop investigating bank robberies, white-collar crimes, and
drug syndicates because they develop sources working those kinds of cases. U.S. attorneys
also control powerful fiefdoms around the country and can exert a strong influence on what
kinds of cases FBI agents in their jurisdictions pursue. In January, Thomas DiBiagio, the U.S.
attorney in Baltimore, excoriated the FBI field office there for having become "a marginal
presence at best." In a letter, DiBiagio complained to the special agent in charge of the
Baltimore field office, Gary Bald, that the bureau's focus on terrorism had distracted agents
from DiBiagio's top priorities--violent crime, white-collar fraud, and public corruption.
"The FBI has become distracted," DiBiagio wrote, "and almost useless." Bald says terrorism
"is the FBI's No. 1 priority, and if it causes us to be providing fewer criminal cases for
prosecution, it's an undesirable byproduct, but it's got to be tolerated." Sources say Mueller
and DiBiagio exchanged sharp words. DiBiagio got the message. "There was a failure on my
part to adjust to the change quickly enough," he now says. ". . . I wish I would have figured
iit out sooner."
be a mistake for special agents to stop investigating bank robberies, white-collar crimes, and
drug syndicates because they develop sources working those kinds of cases. U.S. attorneys
also control powerful fiefdoms around the country and can exert a strong influence on what
kinds of cases FBI agents in their jurisdictions pursue. In January, Thomas DiBiagio, the U.S.
attorney in Baltimore, excoriated the FBI field office there for having become "a marginal
presence at best." In a letter, DiBiagio complained to the special agent in charge of the
Baltimore field office, Gary Bald, that the bureau's focus on terrorism had distracted agents
from DiBiagio's top priorities--violent crime, white-collar fraud, and public corruption.
"The FBI has become distracted," DiBiagio wrote, "and almost useless." Bald says terrorism
"is the FBI's No. 1 priority, and if it causes us to be providing fewer criminal cases for
prosecution, it's an undesirable byproduct, but it's got to be tolerated." Sources say Mueller
and DiBiagio exchanged sharp words. DiBiagio got the message. "There was a failure on my
part to adjust to the change quickly enough," he now says. ". . . I wish I would have figured
iit out sooner."
It's not just philosophical, cultural, or bureaucratic obstacles that could stymie Mueller's
changes. There's also the reality that proactive operations to penetrate terror cells are riskier
than straight criminal investigations. "When you are proactive, it's a double-edged sword," says
Tom Corrigan, a retired New York detective who spent 16 years on the FBI-NYPD joint
terrorism task force. "If you get your feet dirty, it can come back to kick you in the ass."
In the early 1990s, FBI officials shut down surveillance operations on radical Islamic
fundamentalists in Brooklyn and Jersey City, N.J., who would turn out to be players in the 1993
bombing of the World Trade Center and other planned attacks. Why? Supervisors feared costs
and liabilities. Recently, the FBI has taken flak for interviews of Iraqi exiles here and research
on mosques. These efforts "don't keep us safer, but destroy fundamental freedoms," says the
American Civil Liberties Union's Dalia Hashad. Some FBI officials are nonplussed. "The bureau
was beaten following 9/11 for not knowing," says an FBI official. "And now [we're] beaten for
trying to find out." Still, some agents find the prevention concept legally suspect. "How do you
grab someone who hasn't done anything," asks former agent Ed Stroz, "but you knew he was
about to do something?"
changes. There's also the reality that proactive operations to penetrate terror cells are riskier
than straight criminal investigations. "When you are proactive, it's a double-edged sword," says
Tom Corrigan, a retired New York detective who spent 16 years on the FBI-NYPD joint
terrorism task force. "If you get your feet dirty, it can come back to kick you in the ass."
In the early 1990s, FBI officials shut down surveillance operations on radical Islamic
fundamentalists in Brooklyn and Jersey City, N.J., who would turn out to be players in the 1993
bombing of the World Trade Center and other planned attacks. Why? Supervisors feared costs
and liabilities. Recently, the FBI has taken flak for interviews of Iraqi exiles here and research
on mosques. These efforts "don't keep us safer, but destroy fundamental freedoms," says the
American Civil Liberties Union's Dalia Hashad. Some FBI officials are nonplussed. "The bureau
was beaten following 9/11 for not knowing," says an FBI official. "And now [we're] beaten for
trying to find out." Still, some agents find the prevention concept legally suspect. "How do you
grab someone who hasn't done anything," asks former agent Ed Stroz, "but you knew he was
about to do something?"
And how, in an intensely careerist place like the FBI, will performance of agents be measured
in Mueller's brave new world? In the old days, supervisors counted the number of arrests an
agent made; even today, promotion rests on making cases. But what is the right way to
measure prevention? Mefford is trying to develop a new performance-measurement system.
No longer will agents be rated simply on things like how many bank robberies they solved.
It's going to be how many criminal and intelligence wiretap applications they write, how many
informants they develop, and the quality of the intelligence that they come up with. In the
meantime, Mueller's prevention mantra may be catching on, albeit slowly. The number of
nonterrorism criminal cases the FBI referred to U.S. attorneys has plunged since 9/11
(chart, Page 22), though it's unclear how much o┝f this reflects a shift toward more proactive,
preventive operations.
The change, skeptics say, is going to come grudgingly, if at all. "I believe Mueller is trying to
make the FBI . . . more responsible," says Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican and FBI
critic. "But there's an institutional disease there that is going to be very difficult for him to
change." Sen. John Edwards, a North Carolina Democrat--and presidential contender--believes
the FBI is juggling two inherently incompatible missions: intelligence gathering and law enforcement.
"The nature of law enforcement is linear," he says. "Intelligence is never-ending."
in Mueller's brave new world? In the old days, supervisors counted the number of arrests an
agent made; even today, promotion rests on making cases. But what is the right way to
measure prevention? Mefford is trying to develop a new performance-measurement system.
No longer will agents be rated simply on things like how many bank robberies they solved.
It's going to be how many criminal and intelligence wiretap applications they write, how many
informants they develop, and the quality of the intelligence that they come up with. In the
meantime, Mueller's prevention mantra may be catching on, albeit slowly. The number of
nonterrorism criminal cases the FBI referred to U.S. attorneys has plunged since 9/11
(chart, Page 22), though it's unclear how much o┝f this reflects a shift toward more proactive,
preventive operations.
The change, skeptics say, is going to come grudgingly, if at all. "I believe Mueller is trying to
make the FBI . . . more responsible," says Sen. Charles Grassley, an Iowa Republican and FBI
critic. "But there's an institutional disease there that is going to be very difficult for him to
change." Sen. John Edwards, a North Carolina Democrat--and presidential contender--believes
the FBI is juggling two inherently incompatible missions: intelligence gathering and law enforcement.
"The nature of law enforcement is linear," he says. "Intelligence is never-ending."
Insular institution. Others say the FBI's demographics are ill-suited to combating terrorism.
With 500 agents eligible to retire this year and with a young and inexperienced workforce--average
age, 31--the FBI's institutional memory on terrorism is largely gone. Worse, Mueller must combat
radical Islamic fundamentalism, global terrorism, and international crime syndicates with a
workforce that's mostly white and male. Only 76 agents speak Arabic. Mueller has hired nearly 300
language translators and created an FBI language center. He wants to hire 700 intelligence analysts.
But his efforts have been stymied by stiff security checks. "The bureaucracy is stifling," says one
senior official, "and he's trying to break through it."
On every front, Mueller keeps pushing, trying to instill a sense of urgency. "We can't take any
information or source for granted," says Van Harp, who just retired as the head of the FBI field
office in Washington. "It all has to be vetted, run to the ground." Agents' workloads have
dramatically increased, supervisors say. "You used to look at threats; you knew what had validity;
you'd get to them after you got all these other things out of the way," says one official. "Now, no
matter how bizarre or how routine, you go after them."
All terror threats get flashed on the pagers of senior executives, whether it's a suspicious package
on a subway or an anthrax hoax. "You'll sit at a table with management," says Rolince, "and
simultaneously every pager will go off." The agents say they are exhausted from chasing leads
constantly. Mueller says he wants supervisors to use their judgment, but he insists that no lead
can be ignored. "The possibility of that lead, if that lead were followed, identifying somebody who
wanted to kill Americans," he says, "is such that we just cannot afford to have that happen."
With 500 agents eligible to retire this year and with a young and inexperienced workforce--average
age, 31--the FBI's institutional memory on terrorism is largely gone. Worse, Mueller must combat
radical Islamic fundamentalism, global terrorism, and international crime syndicates with a
workforce that's mostly white and male. Only 76 agents speak Arabic. Mueller has hired nearly 300
language translators and created an FBI language center. He wants to hire 700 intelligence analysts.
But his efforts have been stymied by stiff security checks. "The bureaucracy is stifling," says one
senior official, "and he's trying to break through it."
On every front, Mueller keeps pushing, trying to instill a sense of urgency. "We can't take any
information or source for granted," says Van Harp, who just retired as the head of the FBI field
office in Washington. "It all has to be vetted, run to the ground." Agents' workloads have
dramatically increased, supervisors say. "You used to look at threats; you knew what had validity;
you'd get to them after you got all these other things out of the way," says one official. "Now, no
matter how bizarre or how routine, you go after them."
All terror threats get flashed on the pagers of senior executives, whether it's a suspicious package
on a subway or an anthrax hoax. "You'll sit at a table with management," says Rolince, "and
simultaneously every pager will go off." The agents say they are exhausted from chasing leads
constantly. Mueller says he wants supervisors to use their judgment, but he insists that no lead
can be ignored. "The possibility of that lead, if that lead were followed, identifying somebody who
wanted to kill Americans," he says, "is such that we just cannot afford to have that happen."
Last November, Gebhardt, the deputy director, sent an E-mail to field supervisors saying he was
"amazed and astounded" by the failure of field agents to develop sources. "You need to instill
urgency," Gebhardt wrote. ". . . You are the leaders of the FBI. You cannot fail at this mission.
Too many people are depending on us." Gebhardt says his memo was meant to energize agents,
not to scold them.
Perhaps. Many agents appreciate Mueller's efforts to solve problems. "He seems to be very
honest, very approachable," says Nancy Savage, president of the FBI Agents Association. "He
wants to know directly if there's a problem." But others are resentful of his push for change.
"A lot of agents are saying, `To hell with it--get someone else to do this,' " asserts former agent
Stroz. They construe Mueller's urgency as impatience, his directness as a lack of regard. So far,
Mueller and his laser focus on terror aren't creating a lot of warm and fuzzies among the troops.
During one of Mueller's trips to a field office, an agent asked him about the status of "office of
preference," a perk that allows agents to select a field office, once in their careers. It's especially
important to New York agents, because that posting is considered the pits. The agents say Mueller
was unsympathetic and replied that if an agent didn't like his posting, there were 70,000 applicants
waiting to take his place. Mueller says he never indicated he would discontinue the program. "I do
believe it's important," says Mueller. "I have told agents, though, that . . . if there are skills that are
needed someplace in the organization that sacrifice is necessary. . . . The needs of the organization
come first."
"amazed and astounded" by the failure of field agents to develop sources. "You need to instill
urgency," Gebhardt wrote. ". . . You are the leaders of the FBI. You cannot fail at this mission.
Too many people are depending on us." Gebhardt says his memo was meant to energize agents,
not to scold them.
Perhaps. Many agents appreciate Mueller's efforts to solve problems. "He seems to be very
honest, very approachable," says Nancy Savage, president of the FBI Agents Association. "He
wants to know directly if there's a problem." But others are resentful of his push for change.
"A lot of agents are saying, `To hell with it--get someone else to do this,' " asserts former agent
Stroz. They construe Mueller's urgency as impatience, his directness as a lack of regard. So far,
Mueller and his laser focus on terror aren't creating a lot of warm and fuzzies among the troops.
During one of Mueller's trips to a field office, an agent asked him about the status of "office of
preference," a perk that allows agents to select a field office, once in their careers. It's especially
important to New York agents, because that posting is considered the pits. The agents say Mueller
was unsympathetic and replied that if an agent didn't like his posting, there were 70,000 applicants
waiting to take his place. Mueller says he never indicated he would discontinue the program. "I do
believe it's important," says Mueller. "I have told agents, though, that . . . if there are skills that are
needed someplace in the organization that sacrifice is necessary. . . . The needs of the organization
come first."
>>943-956の英文を読めない香具師はエセ＆ボーダー＆キチガイ
958 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/21 22:57 ID:Y06/XkfT
959 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/22 00:16 ID:uNDb4Gda
＞ki2PLT1nあらためてユウキ
書き込み時間と内容量から考えると無職
男で無職
もう、この時点で単なる引きこもりの現実逃避＆精一杯の強がりってことがバレバレなわけだが
人間として恥ずかしくないかい？
いや、恥を感じる機能が欠如してるんだろうな
ナルシストによく見られる人格異常の一つだ
書き込み時間と内容量から考えると無職
男で無職
もう、この時点で単なる引きこもりの現実逃避＆精一杯の強がりってことがバレバレなわけだが
人間として恥ずかしくないかい？
いや、恥を感じる機能が欠如してるんだろうな
ナルシストによく見られる人格異常の一つだ
960 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/22 00:19 ID:caenLlwk
エセは害虫
961 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/22 07:49 ID:b+gl8Bpv
不細工・低学歴・低収入はエセ
962 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/22 12:58 ID:6RYBAFUI
ひきこもりに鬱は少ない
ｂｙ斉藤環
ｂｙ斉藤環
963 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/22 20:46 ID:U1t3fWcZ
「いいなぁ強くて。私って弱いから」←エセ
964 ：サティ ◆9leU.Axk2I ：03/05/22 20:55 ID:H0ZPet8o
自分の弱さを悩むのが本物で、
自分の弱さに甘えるのがエセ鬱かな？
でも、エセ鬱も人格障害持ってたりするから、
苦しいことは苦しいんだよね。
自分の弱さに甘えるのがエセ鬱かな？
でも、エセ鬱も人格障害持ってたりするから、
苦しいことは苦しいんだよね。
965 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/22 20:57 ID:LMzSARhi
私は鬱を持っている人間です。
そんな私に
『すぐ死に逃げようとして、、、、情けない。死ぬ勇気があるなら今すぐ家でればいいじゃん。
家出して、誰も知り合いがいないとこにでもいけばいいじゃん。
裸一貫で東京でてきて自分の可能性試せばいいじゃん。
そんな簡単に限界とか言うなよ。自分の限界なんて決められる物じゃないんだから。
ネットの人はみんな優しく接してくれるけど、そんなのただのまやかしだよ？
それで心癒されるならそれはそれでいいけど、最終的に自分をどうするかなんて自分できめるんだから。
先生の説教？先生の優しさにもきづけないの？
このままじゃいけない、そう思ってるからいろいろいってくれてるんじゃないの？
今自分がやるべきこともわからず、ただ病気だからしかたない。とか逃げてる。
反吐がでるわ。みんななにかしら辛いこと耐えていきてるんだよ？病気だから特別扱いしてほしいの？
虐待をうけてるから特別扱いして欲しいの？甘いと思う。死ぬ？自殺未遂？でも今は生きてるんでしょ？
死ぬからっていって誰かに優しい言葉をかけてもらえるのを待ってるの？』
と言う内容のﾒｰﾙが来ました。皆さんはどう思いますか？
宜しければ意見を下さい…お願いします…
そんな私に
『すぐ死に逃げようとして、、、、情けない。死ぬ勇気があるなら今すぐ家でればいいじゃん。
家出して、誰も知り合いがいないとこにでもいけばいいじゃん。
裸一貫で東京でてきて自分の可能性試せばいいじゃん。
そんな簡単に限界とか言うなよ。自分の限界なんて決められる物じゃないんだから。
ネットの人はみんな優しく接してくれるけど、そんなのただのまやかしだよ？
それで心癒されるならそれはそれでいいけど、最終的に自分をどうするかなんて自分できめるんだから。
先生の説教？先生の優しさにもきづけないの？
このままじゃいけない、そう思ってるからいろいろいってくれてるんじゃないの？
今自分がやるべきこともわからず、ただ病気だからしかたない。とか逃げてる。
反吐がでるわ。みんななにかしら辛いこと耐えていきてるんだよ？病気だから特別扱いしてほしいの？
虐待をうけてるから特別扱いして欲しいの？甘いと思う。死ぬ？自殺未遂？でも今は生きてるんでしょ？
死ぬからっていって誰かに優しい言葉をかけてもらえるのを待ってるの？』
と言う内容のﾒｰﾙが来ました。皆さんはどう思いますか？
宜しければ意見を下さい…お願いします…
966 ：サティ ◆9leU.Axk2I ：03/05/22 21:11 ID:H0ZPet8o
967 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 00:01 ID:R6Ei0AKs
俺の個人的な考えだけど、エセ鬱はヒステリーの一種かも。
いわゆるヒステリーじゃなくて、病名のほうね。
転換性障害とかいうやつ。
ヒステリーは心の中の葛藤に耐えきれなくて、身体の症状として
転換する。立てない、歩けない、声が出ない、目が見えない等。
しかし、うつ病がポピュラーになった今、そこまでの症状を
出さなくてもいい。
ヒステリー＝精神→身体症状 の転換だとしたら、
エセ鬱は、精神→精神症状 への転換かなと思う。
で、ヒステリーの一種だから疾病利得もある、と。
いわゆるヒステリーじゃなくて、病名のほうね。
転換性障害とかいうやつ。
ヒステリーは心の中の葛藤に耐えきれなくて、身体の症状として
転換する。立てない、歩けない、声が出ない、目が見えない等。
しかし、うつ病がポピュラーになった今、そこまでの症状を
出さなくてもいい。
ヒステリー＝精神→身体症状 の転換だとしたら、
エセ鬱は、精神→精神症状 への転換かなと思う。
で、ヒステリーの一種だから疾病利得もある、と。
968 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 00:07 ID:1fcX2k6V
鬱病 ＝ 脳に異常がある
エセ鬱 ＝ 人格に異常がある
969 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 00:54 ID:UsVkCsZS
970 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
971 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 01:10 ID:Hn9PDfbD
鬱病 ＝ 自分を傷つける傾向がある
エセ鬱 ＝ 他人を巻き込み迷惑をかける
エセ鬱 ＝ 他人を巻き込み迷惑をかける
972 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 01:13 ID:UsVkCsZS
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
970 ：優しい名無しさん ：03/05/23 01:06 ID:cv95y5AZ
>>969
つまり、貴方もですねっ！(￣ー￣)
973 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 03:14 ID:HmtAT2mJ
くだらん。
↓だから何？
↓だから何？
974 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 09:08 ID:Mrk2Ebna
このクソスレを相手するのにどれくらいの労力＆費用を無駄にしたと思うか？ >>1 よ？
クソスレを発見しクリックする。左クリック1回でマウス磨耗費用、1円、
アクセスし転送するのに、接続費、サーバ等の電力費を含めて、10円、
この発言を作成するのにかかった時間5分。時給3600円換算で、300円、
発言するのにキーボード磨耗、マウス磨耗費用として、6円、
発言をUPするのに、接続費、サーバ等の電力費を含めて、10円、
最後にブラウザの×ボタンを左クリック。マウス磨耗費用、1円、
スレ発見からブラウザ閉じるまでにかかった本パソコンの電力費、2円、
発言作成を除く、クソスレだけのために費やした時間2分、時給3600円換算で、120円。
総額 450円。たった1つのクソスレに 450円もの大金を浪費してしまう。
そりゃあ、日本経済がおかしくなるわけだ。クソスレは日本経済をダメにしてしまう。
>>1 はこれをどう受け止めているのか。小一時間問い詰めたい。
クソスレを発見しクリックする。左クリック1回でマウス磨耗費用、1円、
アクセスし転送するのに、接続費、サーバ等の電力費を含めて、10円、
この発言を作成するのにかかった時間5分。時給3600円換算で、300円、
発言するのにキーボード磨耗、マウス磨耗費用として、6円、
発言をUPするのに、接続費、サーバ等の電力費を含めて、10円、
最後にブラウザの×ボタンを左クリック。マウス磨耗費用、1円、
スレ発見からブラウザ閉じるまでにかかった本パソコンの電力費、2円、
発言作成を除く、クソスレだけのために費やした時間2分、時給3600円換算で、120円。
総額 450円。たった1つのクソスレに 450円もの大金を浪費してしまう。
そりゃあ、日本経済がおかしくなるわけだ。クソスレは日本経済をダメにしてしまう。
>>1 はこれをどう受け止めているのか。小一時間問い詰めたい。
975 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 11:57 ID:Hn9PDfbD
↑だから何？
976 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 13:19 ID:MfkgcGyG
↑だから何？
977 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 13:34 ID:+vMWt428
↑だからコピペ ↓うるせぇバカ
978 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 15:17 ID:Hn9PDfbD
『たくりん』は本当にパソパソのハードのことはちんぷんかんぷん・・・
ヾ(≧▽≦)ノギャハハ☆
XPにかわってから、またまたわかんないことがいっぱいなんだよなぁ・・・
それでね、、、実はDVDがくっついてるんだけど、
それが動かない・・・……(-｡-) ぼしょ････
困った・・・・
当然、『アリスト君』にお電話・・・・
すぐにきてくれたよ！！
ヾ(≧▽≦)ノギャハハ☆しかも、わざわざソフトを購入してね・・
やさしいんだよなぁ・・・・
ヾ(≧▽≦)ノギャハハ☆
それでね。。。。二人で映画を一本見て・・・・・・
一日が過ぎおていっちゃいました。。。。
エッチはお預け・・・ヾ(≧▽≦)ノギャハハ☆
この一週間・・・・悶々として暮らすんだろうなぁ・・・・・二人とも・・・
……(-｡-) ぼしょ････
ヾ(≧▽≦)ノギャハハ☆
XPにかわってから、またまたわかんないことがいっぱいなんだよなぁ・・・
それでね、、、実はDVDがくっついてるんだけど、
それが動かない・・・……(-｡-) ぼしょ････
困った・・・・
当然、『アリスト君』にお電話・・・・
すぐにきてくれたよ！！
ヾ(≧▽≦)ノギャハハ☆しかも、わざわざソフトを購入してね・・
やさしいんだよなぁ・・・・
ヾ(≧▽≦)ノギャハハ☆
それでね。。。。二人で映画を一本見て・・・・・・
一日が過ぎおていっちゃいました。。。。
エッチはお預け・・・ヾ(≧▽≦)ノギャハハ☆
この一週間・・・・悶々として暮らすんだろうなぁ・・・・・二人とも・・・
……(-｡-) ぼしょ････
979 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 17:29 ID:b8bj7z5F
↑ほんとにうるさいな ↓1000取り合戦開始
980 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:03 ID:m4zhIURU
取りあえず980
981 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:13 ID:glezdd3V
981
982 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:13 ID:glezdd3V
九八二
983 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:13 ID:Mp99cxJm
９８３
祭りの終わり…か。
985 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:14 ID:QUlLcMiw
⑨⑧⑤？
986 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:15 ID:XmHtomde
ⅩⅨⅦ
987 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:16 ID:Mp99cxJm
987
988 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:16 ID:TJ8gOgsF
ｸｸｸ…
989 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:16 ID:TJ8gOgsF
九九九…
990 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:17 ID:MGfceL36
苦苦苦…
991 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:18 ID:tTjURTdl
らりるれーりらりるれーりらりるれーりりーらりるれーりらりるれーりらりるれーりるー
992 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:18 ID:qsGT7YMQ
1000
993 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:18 ID:TJ8gOgsF
千！
994 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:19 ID:/HvsNW3k
千？
995 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:19 ID:QUlLcMiw
10000000000000000000
996 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:19 ID:XmHtomde
1000
997 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:19 ID:QUlLcMiw
999?
998 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:19 ID:TJ8gOgsF
1000!
999 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:20 ID:qsGT7YMQ
1000?
1000 ：優しい名無しさん：03/05/23 19:20 ID:ThJ+sFeV
千頂戴つかまつる
1001 ：１００１：
このスレッドは１０００を超えました。
もう書けないので、新しいスレッドを立ててくださいです。。。
もう書けないので、新しいスレッドを立ててくださいです。。。