クリスチャントゥデイは統一協会系 Part12

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基督日報事件獨立調?團
為避嫌正重組．本月廿二日再聆訊
（2月14日消息）


回應文章: Focus on Jang's theology!!! 回應者: D Law



Regrouping is the only way out - it should have been done last December.



Please focus on what is most significant - the determination of Jang's doctrinal stance.
You must involve him.
If Jang is reformed as he claimed to be, he should be pleased to cooperate.
His refusal to cooperate shall constitute his own condemnation!



The rest is superfluous.



Please do this:
1) swiftly;
2) impartially; and
3) with the help of properly-trained people.

Even before the report is out 回應者: Hin

I really thank and appreciate what Cheung and Yu said in their reponses.

So many "famous" pastors were involved in this investigation and it is so disappointing that it proceeds and results in the regrouping of the investigation committee.
Just based on these, it is extremely doubtful about the usability of the final report, the time allowed, the depth of the investigation, the qualification and involvement of the investigators.
All these cast more doubt than clarification of the issue and of GH.

GH tried to buy time and hope that time will help them by reducing the attention and focus of the public. This is only speculation but it is also a reality.
If they are sincere from the beginning to do the investigation, they should use at least the "common sense" to form the right group and to do the proper investigation.
 What they are doing now is drawing a conclusion that they are doubtful and untrustworthy even before the report is out.

If they are sincere, not only they should regroup but also restart the whole investigation, if they really want to gain the confidence of the public,
please don't treat us as idiots, we have a mind that is created by God and we will THINK!


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We are not trying to discourage anyone nor destroy anything but to be fair and just.
If we can't even make sense in the investigation, how could we accept the report as making any sense at all.

There won't be an end to it if they are unwilling to face what they need to face. Once again, I am sorry to say that those who are advisors are responsible because it is them that gave GH the credibility.
We don't want to point fingers but I think it only make sense that they should bear the responsibility.


I asked one advisor of GH and I was so surprised to hear the comment: "I don't care about those issues".
Then, why is he an advisor, it is just an empty name.

Same for those members of the investigation committee, if they are members, then fulfill your basic duties.
 I am very interested to know how many hours they spend in the investigation during these three months period.



Advisors, be wise and be responsible. GH, don't treat us as idiots, we are watching and thinking!

回應 Hin 回應者: 張國棟

"If they [GH] are sincere from the beginning to do the investigation, they should use at least the "common sense" to form the right group and to do the proper investigation.
What they are doing now is drawing a conclusion that they are doubtful and untrustworthy even before the report is out."

若我沒有讀錯?全文的意思，?這句話似乎是錯了。那小組的成立是由《基督日報》的某三位顧問在去年決定委託柯律師發起的，後來他們更講清楚，在小組成員人選上，《基督日報》是沒有介入的。
因此，若?要? "don't treat us like idiots" ，這不應是對著《基督日報》講的。

十分訝異?提到的那顧問的不負責任態度。希望只是個別事件。

Thank Cheung and my response 回應者: Hin



Thank you Cheung for pointing out some of the history.
Indeed, they have hired a lawyer to form the investigation committee and stated that they won't involve in the forming of the committee
but I think when they hired someone, they must have laid down some "common sense" requirements or boundaries for choosing these committee members.



When I hired a person to do the rennovation of my house, I won't interfere in the actual rennovation but I will lay down what I want and what I don't want.



Also, after forming the first committee, as GH, they should be responsible to say whether the committee is OK or not instead of waiting for so long to discover that there are conflict of interest among the committee.
The non-response is a kind of irresponsibility.



Again, if I hire someone to rennovate my house and they used a wrong color to paint my house,
I won't sit there for another month and then tell them that is not the color I want.



I also knew that they send letters out to those whom they think are related or have made statements about GH to get their written response. I hope the investigation doesn't stop at there. When they present the report,
the importance is not the result but how they get to the results.
 For statistics, we have the sample size, collecting method and analysis procedure. Just presenting a conclusion is not convincing at all, especially in this doubtful process of investigation.

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I agreed with D. Law that the focus must upon the relationship with Jiang and his theology and don't be distracted.
Being so experienced in the ministry, I really wonder why the advisors didn't notice, why GH didn't notice....a lot of questions indeed!

The case that I mentioned about an irresponsible advisor is only an independent case and it is only one case.
 For many, they didn't respond at all. There is another case as I called another advisor, he said that as an advisor, he will find out and when he find out GH is not reliable,
he will quit for sure and this is a very good case in contrast to the other one.
 But, even in this good case, it shows that the advisor didn't know too much about GH and out of goodwill, he accepted the invitation to be their advisor. Now, he is looking into it and will decide whether to stay or resign.

I think the investigation won't end here, even if Jiang is clear, then we will go into the ethical issue, how they operate is another issue to look into. Are we trying to destroy them?
No, but we need to protect ourselves as well as the Christian communities.

As in Matthew 24, it stated that there will be false teachers and prophets and even false Christ.
I am not saying that GH is definitely one of them but it is a good exercise that we learn to discern and screen anything that is labelled "Christian" in order to avoid possible filtration of false teachings.

The Bible also stated that even Satan will appear as an angel of light, this only reminds us not to accept everything in the name of Jesus.
The difficult part of false teaching is not that they are false but they looks real.

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>>958

やっぱ、ジャン牧師は人気あるね

>>953-958
無問題つーことじゃんＷ

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This is a good alarm for many of us.
The way church is running today, the things the church is going after, the shallow foundation of many Christians are very alarming today.

Thanks again Cheung, I really appreciate the attitude and the heart behind your responses. May God grant us wisdom to discern the truth and stand for the truth.

I apology if the word "idiot" is too strong. I just hope that the advisors open their eyes and ears and don't just hope things will be over.


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>>961
ダイジョブそうで安心しました
神は生きておられる

再回應Hin 回應者: 張國棟

?談到《基督日報》 hired a lawyer ，和背後的動機與選擇，正是我想指出可能是?誤解之處。懶得找那些網頁，若我沒記錯，那律師是由那三位顧問在沒有《基督日報》參與決定下自行委託的。

至於為何這調?團曾有一段長時間認為不用關心異端問題，我也不明白。雖然那技術性犯規（即假借?道大會名義擅自籌款）若屬實的話，足以把《基督日報》?出局，但更多人關心的和更?得關心的，是他們的神學立場。




原諒我岔開一點，在這裡重覆我近月來經常想講的話題−−香港基督教圈子真是很不文明和落後的，我不明白那些自命知識分子或理性的領袖，究竟在做甚麼，我也不明白他們為何不主張教?傳媒要扮演其應有角色。
我們現在談的這些，是教會牧者間?重要事件，亦本應是基督教圈?的傳媒人士應該做的事和應該問的問題，也應該是香港神學界要研討的事宜。但他們做了甚麼？倒像是只有我們這幾個小信徒在焦急。

我有收看美國 Christianity Today 的消息，他們真的做傳媒應該做的事，走去訪問那些具爭議性的人物，把不同意見都交代出來，讓人們互相對質，也會有神學教授寫文章討論。
但我們這香港教會圈?？媒體角色十分被動，某方有聲明了，那就報導出來，頂多把事件始末整理一下，完全是被動的（當然我明白主動調?是會得罪人的，但這正是要面對的問題）。
調??？大家都不要談了，只交託一個不知由誰主責的調?團去處理，?裡有沒有甚麼不同宗派和不同神學背景的人（參?立人博士的批評），處理得好或不好（參我在這裡的回應），都再沒有甚麼人跟進。
調?團聲明只??感恩的話，呼?信徒用愛心為他們?告，看看神的恩典如何令事件水落石出，彷彿他們已盡了人一切可以做的事，包括公平、認真和合乎常理地進行調?。

大勢の牧師が集まって調べても黒と結論できないんですね

ジャン牧師はシロですね

>>964
灰色かもよ

灰色だから警戒されてんだろう

KETURON

ダビ長とGHは灰色

疑わしきは罰せず。灰色は罰せずでしょう。

少佐によれば　　限りなく黒に近い灰色

１０００げと

灰色なんて存在しない。

こんなうざったい英文を中共支配下の中国に送信して調査依頼しても
無意味なんじゃない？。
みんなあなたのような人にかまっているほどヒマじゃないんじゃないの？
だいたい中国の異端判定なんてまったく当てにならんと思うぞ。
違う国で調査したら？

白黒はっきりできねえなら、キリスト教やめれ

ダビデ張は来臨のイエス。GHはカルトで決まり。














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山谷少佐は根田の犬

限りなくガイキチに近いDQN

山谷少佐は中共の犬

根田祥一はトップブリーダー

山谷少佐は魔法が大好き

夢は黒魔道士

>>977
>ガイキチ
>DQN

名誉毀損

タカやんはかるとの犬

>>982
誰とは言ってないけどねw

山谷は根田のポケモン的存在

>>981　いつかパルプンテ唱えるかもw

山谷少佐はイエスの犬
高柳は偽キリストの犬

根田魔王樊瑞

高柳は偽キリストの犬

ちっちゃな頃からシナ寄りで　15で同志と呼ばれたよ
内外問わずゲバルトで　反対者みな傷付けた
あーわかってくれとは言わないが　共産主義が悪いのか
キチガイ　キチガイ　おやすみよ
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※次スレが立った場合、山谷真氏本人が立てたものとみなします。

>>989
修復しがたい名誉毀損

１０００

>>991
誰も根田祥一のことだなんて書いてないよ。

１９０００

>>993＞根田祥一

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妄想曲を作曲出来るようになります。







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屯田兵・・・北海道の警備と開拓にあたった兵士とその部隊。
根田兵・・・共産主義の整備と開拓にあたった同志とその部隊。

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このスレッドは１０００を超えました。
もう書けないので、新しいスレッドを立ててくださいです。。。