http://www.offlines.org/jt3.txt J: Now after he passed, I was there, when Mary Sue Hubbard was made to sign an agreement, I do believe it was $100,000 to relinquish any kind of claim on the copyrights, or trademarks, or bank accounts, or anything to do with the Scientology fortune. I was part of like a 12 or 17 man team of people that just invaded her house, and was all a pretty cordial affair. She didn't want to sign the damn thing. Lawyers were there, David Miscavige started screaming, "You are going to sign it!" L: He was screaming at her, "You're going to sign this document"? J: We were all there, browbeating her L: 12 to 17 people? J: Yeah, all in Sea Org uniforms. All in cars everywhere, just going in there and overwhelming this poor little old lady. L: Would you say that you were an intimidating presence? J: Beyond any question. L: Would you say that Mary Sue Hubbard was coerced into signing an agreement? J: It's beyond any question. As well as Arthur, I was there when he signed it too. He got $50,000. L: He got $50,000. Did they have their own lawyers there who looked at the documents? J: No, no. They had no representation. All the Scientology lawyers were there, and they would just sit down, this is what they lawyers say, sign here. L: Were the allowed to read the documents? J: Yeah, but I don't think they knew what they were reading. L: So the Scientology lawyers were there, did they act like they were representing Mary Sue Hubbard or Arthur in advising them in any legal way at all on the document? J: No.
>>187 続き L: What lawyers were there? J: I believe Larry Heller. L: Anyone else? J: Not that I specifically recall, but that doesn't mean that no one was there. L: So, Larry Heller was there in this incredibly coercive environment. Were these men, these 12 to 17 people in Sea Org uniforms? J: All men, except Vicky Aznaran. L: Were they big men? J: Big men. Lyman, Norman, Marty, me. L: Was there any kind of spoken or unspoken threat that if she didn't sign this document there would be trouble for her or her family? J: Trouble for her, yes. L: What was said? J: Going to get sec checked, going to get auditing, going to get this, ethics, whatever. She blew up, she said, "No, I'm going to sec check you to find out what the hell you're trying to do to me." L: So she was threatened with a security check, and ethics, which meant that she would have to work through conditions and do all kinds of menial, manual labor? J: No, just have someone sitting with her in her house. She wasn't very functional. She had a couple of Scientologists who watched her every move and reported to David Miscavige every day about her. L: They lived in her house? J: They lived in her house and reported on her every single day. L: They were writing reports on her condition? J: Every single day. L: Was she sickly? J: Very sickly, fragile woman. L: Was she on medication? J: No, I do not believe that was allowed.
>>188 つづき (これが、真相だ!) 他のThe Jesse Prince Tapesも参照のこと。 http://www.offlines.org/jesse.html L: So, she was sick, she had Scientology people spying on her before these 12 to 17 people came… J: During and after. It was all set up. They told what she did every moment of the day. "We took her to the mall today, she bought this today." Neville [?] was reporting to David Miscavige every day. L: Personally? J: Personally. L: Were they worried that Mary Sue Hubbard would…What were they worried about? J: That she wouldn't sign exactly what they wanted her to sign. L: So, she had no choice? J: None. L: 12 to 17 large men in uniforms standing around her .. J: ..telling her she's got to do it. L: Other people were telling her to sign it? J: The people were telling her to sign it was Norman Starkey, David Miscavige, the attorney just handing it to her telling her this is the release form, or whatever. I never said a word when I was there, Vicky never said a word, I don't think Marty spoke to her. L: Why were 12 to 17 people in uniform necessary? J: Because David Miscavige said we need to go in there. Mark Yeager was there. David Miscavige said we need to go in there and show a unified group of people from the church that we're running things and it's got nothing to do with her and she is not entitled to anything.