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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:
いくつくらいなんでしょうか?
他の選手ってせこいと思って本気でファーストまで走ってない
から打率が多少さがってるんじゃないですか?
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 17:41:41 ID:6Qe4xy5/
長打ない選手だから・・・
米国では「蚊」と呼ばれるんだろう
レベルの低い米国では、3割でも、いもの日本復帰したら2割5部しか雨天だろう
ゴキローの実質打率はだいたい.240前後
本当の実力だと打率.240 HR5本くらいの選手w
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 18:35:18 ID:tvC+vRy8
内野安打だと2アウト三塁みたいな状況でしかタイムリーにならないよね?
だから、外野へ飛んだ(普通の)シングルと同等とも思えない。
打率からは除いて出塁としては認める、くらいの扱いでいいんじゃないかな。
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 18:36:48 ID:hzn0egNL
チンカスです
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 18:38:06 ID:j82ff1Iy
ゴキブリは内野安打で出来てるんだから内野安打がなかったらゴキブリの存在自体が消滅
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:15:21 ID:d1jFQ1WH
足はそれだけ驚異的ってことよ。足にスランプはないから
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:17:15 ID:9+CIJCeM
カサカサカサ
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:18:47 ID:j0MBbGe3
内野安打を抜いた打率でも現役打者の中で10位ぐらいだったよ
確か.270〜.280ぐらいで
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:23:43 ID:cHp5/WTN
イチローって本当やることがカスだよな
得点圏にランナーいても平気でセーフティーバントするしなw
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:24:27 ID:RuVE5Xcd
ヤクルト青木も202安打中51本が内野安打。
で、イチローだけをどうこういうあんたらの狙いは?
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:29:04 ID:3IkluUvN
土井がたてたスレか
『一番イチロー』なら内野安打を抜く必要性はあまりない気がするがな。
内野安打抜いたら打率***!!、みたいなたらればは意味がない。実際内野安打打ってるんだから
それすら打てない今のイチローは糞でFAだが
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:39:43 ID:mdeTioCd
>>11 青木は自分の打撃は内野安打が多いだけでそれ以外の何者でもないとはっきり言ってるからね(それに最近は大分内野安打頼りではなくなった)
20%以上も内野安打無いと成り立たないのに王様面してる姿勢が叩かれるんだよ
>>14 腐女子かよwキャラなんてどうでもいいから
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:45:51 ID:NogKRxpl
ゴキロー)
ユンケルを、ごっくんしてません!
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:46:16 ID:mdeTioCd
>>15 そこで「腐女子」なんて発想が出てくる脳の方がどうかしてんじゃねえのか?
気持ち悪い野郎だな
なんか論理的な反論のひとつでもしてみろや
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/06(金) 23:50:10 ID:rfgsh5Cc
コロコロ
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 00:03:28 ID:RuVE5Xcd
>>14 結局イチロー嫌いなだけじゃねぇか(笑)
お前の自称論理的な説明はいいから、200安打の内の150本をクリーンヒット打ってる選手のどこが技術的に劣ってるのか説明よろしく。
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 00:07:48 ID:zfB/XLV3
青木は天狗になってない。そして自分のスタイルが必ずしも褒められたものではないことを認めている
なのにゴキローは何なんだ?
まるで自分は世界を代表するスターみたいな面してる
現実は20%をいかさまで水増ししてる屑打者に過ぎないのに
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 00:09:01 ID:mfY8as1u
カサカサ
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 00:10:52 ID:zfB/XLV3
>>19 打率で見ると平均以下ですよ
150本も安打を打ってるからなんて関係ない
そもそも打撃技術は安打数で評価するもんじゃないし
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 00:13:10 ID:HtR4voKn
>>19 技術的に劣る?誰がんなこと言ったんだ?
そんな話はゴキロー打撃技術スレでやってろや
まあ技術って言うなら「足の速さを利用して出塁する」技術ならあるんじゃねえの?
そんなものはパワーの無い格下打者が取らざるを得ない次善の手段でしかないけどな
所詮は隙間産業。ゴキヒットに優れていたからと言ってあんな風にふんぞり返ってるような恥ずかしい真似はとても見てらんねえな
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 00:14:03 ID:ZfCM0rn3
>>22 じゃ打撃技術はなにで評価するんですかね?
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 00:15:20 ID:rZczJIFb
全盛期のゴキロー伝説
・3打数5ゴロは当たり前、3打数8ゴロも
・先頭打者満塁ゲッツーを頻発
・ゴキローにとってのポップフライは内野ゴロの打ちそこない
・先頭打者サイクルゴロも日常茶飯
・9回裏100点差、チームメイト全員負傷の状況から1人で内野ゴロ
・ワンバウンドも余裕でゴロ
・バントで内野ゴロが特技
・打席に立つだけで相手投手が泣いて喜んだ、全球ど真ん中に投げる投手も
・内野ゴロでも納得いかなければファーストベース踏まないで帰ってきてた
・あまりに凡退するから牽制球でもボール扱い
・その牽制球もゴロ
・試合の無い移動日でも2凡退
・自分の内野ゴロを自分でキャッチして凡退
・あまりに凡退するので最初からベンチに座っていた時期も
・ウェイティングサークルでゴロを打った
・打球をキャッチしたピッチャーと、それを見ていたセカンド、ショート、センターの選手ともどもに笑われた
・観客の韓国人のヤジに流暢な韓国語で反論しながら盗塁失敗
・グッとガッツポーズしただけで5人くらい笑った
・病気の子供に内野ゴロを約束
・ゴキローは内野フライを打つと落ち込んでトイレに篭ってしまう
・ゴキローが打席に立った時点で凡退でいいだろ
・ゴキローに2打席連続内野フライを打たれたピッチャーは笑われる
・外野から内野ゴロを打てるのはゴキローくらい
・ゴキローが落ちてきたりんごを空振りして失笑を買ったのは有名
・自分の打球に飛び乗ってファーストに投げられるというファンサービス
・あまり内野ゴロを打つと相手投手に馬鹿にされるから打ちたくないという迷言
・ゴキローが一打席クリーンヒットを打てばその試合は相手チームの負けというルールはもはや伝説
・外野に飛ばせれば即優勝決定という破格のルールも達成できた事はなし
・ハンデとしてピッチャーが目を瞑って投げるルールも導入されたが全然ハンデにならなかった
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:2009/03/07(土) 00:17:45 ID:zz7Y1q0r
イチローは調子のってるとか言う馬鹿いるが、実際調子のっても許される成績だろ。
>>23 隙間産業でもMVPならふんぞりかえって当然だろう
インフラという主要な産業で働いてる工事現場のおっさんよりも
100億以上稼ぐGMのファンドマネージャーの方を
誰もが評価するだろうしな。
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 00:57:06 ID:p+Xm2rM0
まぁ、内野安打を除いた【実質打率】は.250くらいだろ。
平凡な選手
>>25 改定してみた
全盛期のイチロー伝説
・3打数5ゴロは当たり前、3打数8ゴロも
・先頭打者満塁捕ゴロを頻発
・イチローにとってのポップフライは捕ゴロの打ちそこない
・先頭打者サイクルゴロも日常茶飯
・9回裏100点差、チームメイト全員負傷の状況から1人で内野ゴロ
・パスボールも余裕でゴロ
・バントで内野ゴロが特技
・打席に立つだけで相手投手が泣いて喜んだ、全球ど真ん中に投げる投手も
・内野ゴロでも納得いかなければファーストベース踏まないで帰ってきてた
・あまりに凡退するから牽制球でもボール扱い
・その牽制球もゴロ
・試合の無い移動日でも2凡退
・自分の内野ゴロを自分でキャッチして凡退
・あまりに凡退するので最初からベンチに座っていた時期も
・ウェイティングサークルでゴロを打った
・ゴロをキャッチしたピッチャーと、それを見ていたセカンド、ショート、センターの選手ともどもに笑われた
・観客の韓国人のヤジに流暢な韓国語で反論しながら盗塁失敗
・グッとガッツポーズしただけで5人くらい笑った
・病気の子供に内野ゴロを約束
・イチローは内野フライを打つと落ち込んでトイレに篭ってしまう
・イチローが打席に立った時点で凡退でいいだろ
・イチローに2打席連続内野フライを打たれたピッチャーは笑われる
・外野から内野ゴロを打てるのはゴキローくらい
・イチローが落ちてきたりんごをゴロって失笑を買ったのは有名
・自分のゴロに飛び乗ってファーストに内野安打というファンサービス
・あまり内野ゴロを打つと相手投手に馬鹿にされるから打ちたくないという迷言
・イチローが一打席クリーンヒットを打てばその試合は相手チームの負けというルールはもはや伝説
・外野に飛ばせれば即優勝決定という破格のルールも達成できた事はなし
・ハンデとして野手9人全員が外野手というルールも導入されたが全打席内野ゴロだった
>>20 同意
青木の体を小っちゃく構えるフォーム見ると自分を分かってるんだよな
自覚あってそれを目指してるからカッコイイ
逆にゴキローは内野安打しかないのにピッチャーに喧嘩売るようなポーズするし
三振したあとの歩き方も王様みたいだしアホかと
まさに裸の王様
>>30 青木は前ナンバーかなんかで内野安打を減らしたいと言っていたからね
外野へ打って200安打したいと
ゴキローと違って現状で満足せず高い次元を目指してるのも好感がもてる
イチローを過大評価に感じない人って、
イチロー>野球?orイチロー以外好きな選手いないの?orイチローがみたいだけ?
仮に、イチロー以外の好きな選手(金本、松中、高橋由、Aロッド、ジーターetc誰でもいい)が、
打率、安打数のタイトルをイチローと争った結果、一厘差、一本差で逃して、イチローが二冠とったとする。
でも、ランニングヒットを四死球と同じ扱いにして、打率的には、ノーカンにしたら、
タイトル逃した選手がイチローよりも打率は2分、3分上、安打数も20本以上、上回ったとする。
イチローのタイトルに疑問感じない?
しかも、イチローって、出塁率自体は高い訳じゃないんだぜ。
去年だって、打率260程度の福留と大差なかったし。むしろ、福留の四死球の多さを褒めるべきなのかもしれんが。。
オレは、イチロー個人のパーソナリティは特別嫌いな訳じゃないけど、
イチローおめでとう!とは思えない。
それよりも、タイトル逃した人がかわいそうだと思う→イチローのタイトルに疑問を感じるんだよね。
オレ、おかしいかな?
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 10:07:41 ID:p+Xm2rM0
>>30 まさに裸の王様だな。あの歩き方がカッコイイと思ってんの本人だけ
殿様で喩えれば志村けんのバカ殿だろう
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 10:13:51 ID:VUvP6mSD
ところがどっこい、そんな事言ってんのは
ひねくれ者の集まる2ちゃんだけ
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 10:21:57 ID:pdz3nKY3
普通に誰もが思ってること。
スポーツニュースでイチロー3本固め打ちとかいって見てみると全部打ち損ないの内野安打とか。
>>17 昨シーズン得点圏にランナーを置いてイチローが放った内野安打は11本。
そのうちランナーが進塁出来なかったのは2本のみ。
逆に内野安打で2塁ランナーをホームインさせたのは2度ある。
また2008年のイチローは『走塁だけで』12得点分の塁を稼いでいる(48塁分)
以上を踏まえて考えると、内野安打の進塁力の低さはイチロー自身の走塁能力によってお釣りがくるほどカバーされていることがわかる。
セイバーにおいても、
「内野安打と外野単打を区別して考える必要はない」
と定義されている。
つまり『内野単打と外野単打の間には問題にするほど価値の差はない』ということ。
またイチローの通算得点圏打率は通算打率よりも高く、長打率についても同じ
イチローの通算満塁打率は.450と非常に高い。
内野安打が出づらい状況で打率・長打率共に上がっていることを考えれば、イチローは内野安打の多くを意図的に打っていると考えられる。
こんな感じでよろしいでしょうか
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 10:34:47 ID:SWjTofIS
アメリカではゴキブリのカラクリがとっくにバレていろんな人から
「蚊」だとか言われてるw
でも日本ではまだバレてなかったんだよね
でもWBCで来日してメディアに注目されるようになってからどんどんどんどん
化けの皮が剥がされて日本でもゴキブリの正体がバレちった(まだちゃったまでいってないw)
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 10:49:54 ID:VUvP6mSD
>>35 じゃあなんでイチローが日本代表のキャプテンなの?
国民も納得しないでしょ
世界一の内野安打製造機だったってことでいいだろう
天才打者ではない
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 10:56:41 ID:VUvP6mSD
松井の方がすごいの?
また朝鮮打率か
>>40 そりゃそうだろ
史上唯一メジャーで30本以上打ったのは松井だけ
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 12:33:22 ID:ZGeigZWE
類似スレ立ちすぎ
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 13:18:07 ID:zfB/XLV3
むしろ内野安打の方が朝鮮安打という感じ
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 13:41:58 ID:TIV/dfFV
ゴキブリ消えて!!
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 14:11:44 ID:SUybz0+V
>>36 非常に解り易かった。
職業は講師ですね。
わかります。
ゴキローの得点圏打率は.200くらいだから捏造説
日教組ですね
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 14:20:01 ID:y9RPTx9G
>>36 1点だけ。
ランナーがいる状況でヒットが出る確率が高いのはすべての打者に当てはまること。
ランナーがいる状況で内野安打が出にくいかは得点圏打率だけでは分からない。
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 14:23:25 ID:MWoREzBw
人間、長期的にみて必ず調子の良し悪しはでてくる。たまたま調子の悪いところにつけこんで徹底的に叩くという、
まさにこそこそと群れて隙を伺うハイエナのような、下劣極まりないスレですね
逆に考えろ。イチローのような万人から天才打者と慕われる者でも、その時の調子によってこうも結果が左右されるという、いかにも人間らしい一面があるということを。
>>48 常識だよなw
そいつは間違いなく野球ニワカだw
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 14:33:21 ID:y9RPTx9G
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/07(土) 15:25:57 ID:HtR4voKn
>>36 プレースタイルと尊大な態度との齟齬が青木との扱いの違いだ、と指摘しただけなのに
もはや完全に論点ずれてるな。
まあそれはそれとして
その48塁分の走塁だけでの進塁、ってデータの出所と詳細が知りたい
それからその48進塁ってのは全選手の平均と比べてどのくらい高いのかも知りたい
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/16(月) 11:44:18 ID:fTHt3RLF
四球選べよカスたれ
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/18(水) 23:16:33 ID:SWTvQ4cu
抜かなくても1割www
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/18(水) 23:21:25 ID:XdfTtZm9
結局イチローがホントに駄目なときはアンチも元気なくなるんだよな
お前らどんだけイチロー好きなんだ
57 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/18(水) 23:57:04 ID:bI64OI5S
過去の人=イチロー
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名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/19(木) 14:13:18 ID:44qV31lw
>>36 こいつ、「イチローは打撃技術ないよ」ってスレで
馬鹿晒しまくってアンチにぼこぼこに論破されてた奴じゃん
>>36=
>>46みたいなアホな自演も晒されまくってたw
今はこんな馬鹿な中学生でも本回線の他に無線LAN、携帯、PSPと
1人4役くらいできちゃうから困ったもんだ。
普通はそんなことわざわざする必要ないけど、
こいつは馬鹿ながら自分の意見に自身がないことはわかってるんだろうな
だって
>得点圏打率が高いから、
>内野安打が出づらい状況で打率・長打率共に上がっていることを考えれば、
>イチローは内野安打の多くを意図的に打っていると考えられる。
なんてなんの根拠もなく結論に導いてるとんでも論理だぜ?w
得点圏打率は運だっつうのに。
こんなマネーボールも読んだことなさそうなカスが
ネットでかじった程度の知識でセイバーとか語るんじゃねえよ
こいつの得点圏打率高いと打撃技術高いよ理論は、「打撃技術スレ」でも晒して論破されてて笑ったわ
59 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/19(木) 14:42:26 ID:RoZGYIMg
良いところで打って勝てばヒーロー
打てずに負ければ大バッシング
高額年俸の人気商売ゆえ当たり前の話
普段、尊大な態度とってるのだから当選の帰結
60 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/19(木) 14:44:08 ID:/PWiESi2
一本打っただけで一度傾いた評価がガラリと変るもんでもない
>>60 でもマスゴミの持ち上げで無理やりイチローのおかげにされるだろうな。
>>61 バント失敗した後に連打で点が入ったら
「イチローのバントの姿勢でチームが一つになって連打が出た!」
って実況には爆笑したわ。
イチローさん、いくら払ってるんだ?w
焼肉くらいじゃここまでやらんだろww
イチローはヒット打たなくていいから
一回くらいボールを芯で捕らえて鋭い当たりのライナー打ってみせろwwwww
打ち損じのボテボテゴロヒットなんか見たね〜んだよ
鋭いライナーの打球を野手の正面でキャッチされてアウトになってもいいから打ってみせろwwww
まぁイチローには固定ファンとスポンサーが付いてるから悪くは言えんだろ
65 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/19(木) 14:54:08 ID:XbtdaJnD
イチローのオーラは異常
イチロー、イチローっていってるのは、
日頃、BSなんかで大リーグの試合みてない人でしょ。
マスゴミの報道で活躍してるときだけ報道されるから、
いつも活躍してるような勘違いする。
67 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/19(木) 21:39:55 ID:RiPTLxey
日本代表の選手から内野安打を抜いたらどうなるの?
アメリカに来てからの日本の内野安打は6本
岩村 3本
福留 1本
青木 1本
小笠原 1本
69 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 02:07:52 ID:4u1k0z98
アメリカに来てからの日本の長打は6本
イチロー 三塁打1本 二塁打1本
稲葉 二塁打2本
内川 本塁打1本
城島 二塁打1本(キューバのエラー気味)
70 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 02:23:36 ID:V0mtwMBL
世界のイチロー第二ラウンド最終試合韓国戦の結果
第一打席: 試合の流れを左右する大事な第一打席!早くも二球目を振り抜き復活を思わせる綺麗な放物線を描いた、……中飛↓あっさりアウトを献上!今日は初回から韓国ユニフォームを間違えて着ていたようだ、1タコ目!
第二打席: ツーアウト・ランナー1塁3塁のジャパン得点チャンス!
世界のイチローの本領発揮とばかりの狙いすました見事な一塁強襲で、……一ゴ↓サッカーの中田ヒデばりの鋭いスルーパスのような一塁ゴロでした(笑)得点チャンスを断ち切る簡単な2タコ目!
第三打席: ツーアウト・1塁3塁の再びイチローの打席に得点チャンス! この大事な局面で原監督の見事な采配発動、
片岡盗塁成功でランナー2塁3塁にチャンスアップ!
イチローにジャパンの命運を託す作戦に選手球場が一気に盛り上がる!
ついにイチローに汚名挽回の大チャンスが訪れた、そしてチームの思いに応えるように世界イチの打撃で、……左飛↓
遂にゴキヲタまで暴動寸前、涙も枯れ果て、神に祈りだした信者の叫びも一切届かず…3タコ目!再び流れをイチローが断ち切り決勝トーナメントスタメンが本気で危ぶまれた
第四打席: ランナー1塁2塁、三度訪れた得点チャンス!
イチローさん前日のバント失敗も帳消しにすべく、送りバントを試みるが「心が折れかけた」と前日言い訳していた癖にまたもやバント練習の怠慢か?簡単な球をファールにする始末(笑)
しかしここは世界のイチロー、バントを勝手に回避して、自信の打撃に切り替える自己中発揮!
遂に見事な復活を思わせる放物線を描いた第一打席のデジャヴの様な……やっぱり中飛↓
ランナーを送る最低限の仕事もこなせずイチロー擁護の解説者にすら
「最低でも送って欲しかった…」と本音がチラリ(笑)
バントもろくに出来ないのにスタメン?の、4タコ目!
第5打席: イチローを抜いた打撃陣が奮起、イチロー不在の打順のみで一気に3点を稼ぎだし勝ち試合を決定づけた!
後は気の抜けた韓国投手相手に昨日に引き続きアンチもゴキヲタも予想した見事な帳尻炸裂!
試合後のVTR報道では得点チャンスをことごとく潰したイチローの凡退は"一切"報道せず、敗戦投手相手の帳尻安打を「復活安打」と過剰演出していました(笑)
71 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 02:33:46 ID:V0mtwMBL
世界のイチロー第二ラウンド最終試合韓国戦の結果
第一打席: 試合の流れを左右する大事な第一打席!早くも二球目を振り抜き復活を思わせる綺麗な放物線を描いた、……中飛↓あっさりアウトを献上!今日は初回から韓国ユニフォームを間違えて着ていたようだ、1タコ目!
第二打席: ツーアウト・ランナー1塁3塁のジャパン得点チャンス!
世界のイチローの本領発揮とばかりの狙いすました見事な一塁強襲で、……一ゴ↓サッカー中田ヒデばりに鋭い、パスのような一塁ゴロでした(笑)得点チャンスを断ち切るゴロローな2タコ目!
第三打席: ツーアウト・1塁3塁の再びイチローの打席に得点チャンス! この大事な局面で原監督の見事な采配発動、
片岡盗塁成功でランナー2塁3塁にチャンスアップ!
イチローにジャパンの命運を託す作戦に選手球場が一気に盛り上がる!
ついにイチローに汚名挽回の大チャンスが訪れた、そしてチームの思いに応えるように世界イチの打撃で、……左飛↓
遂にゴキヲタまで暴動寸前、涙も枯れ果て、神に祈りだした信者の叫びもむなしく…3タコ目!
再び流れをイチローが断ち切り決勝トーナメントスタメンが本気で危ぶまれた
第四打席: ランナー1塁2塁、三度訪れた得点チャンス!
イチローさん前日のバント失敗も帳消しにすべく、送りバントを試みるが「心が折れかけた」と前日言い訳していた癖に、またもやバント練習の怠慢か?簡単な球をファールにする始末(笑)
しかしここは世界のイチロー、バントを勝手に回避して、自信の打撃に切り替える自己中発揮!
自信の打撃で振り抜いた打球は遂に見事な放物線を描き第一打席のデジャヴの様に相手グラブに…IN!…中飛↓
ランナーを送る最低限の仕事もこなせずイチロー擁護の解説者にすら
「最低でも送って欲しかった…」と本音がチラリ(笑)
バントもろくに出来ないのにスタメン?の、4タコ目!
第5打席: イチローを抜いた打撃陣が奮起、イチロー不在の打順のみで一気に3点を稼ぎだし勝ち試合を決定づけた!
後は気の抜けた韓国投手相手に昨日に引き続きアンチもゴキヲタも予想した見事な帳尻炸裂!
試合後のVTR報道では得点チャンスをことごとく潰したイチローの凡退は"一切"報道せず、敗戦投手相手の帳尻安打を「復活安打」と過剰演出していました(笑)
72 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 08:53:06 ID:ucwKqRq4
本当になんで ランナーのいた2・3・4 打席を放送しないんだ?!?!?!?!
第4打席はともかく 2・3打席はひでぇバッティングだったよな
もうメッキがはがれたのはかなりの国民分かっているんだよ
・
・
・
こうやって一流選手にも 引退の時 ってのが訪れるのか……
73 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 08:58:02 ID:aymopO+7
イチローが内野安打狙い止めたら、打率があと3分は上がるよ
74 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 09:17:32 ID:U9JJUwdf
内野安打で稼いだ打率で誤魔化されている
過大評価のイチローさんを証明する資料
打率 打点 本塁 出塁 長打 OPS
舞亜 .328 085点 09本 .413 .451 .864
屁泥 .326 083点 17本 .376 .493 .869
武羅 .321 077点 22本 .436 .563 .999
金巣 .319 071点 18本 .375 .517 .892
折度 .317 103点 21本 .376 .494 .870
勇気 .312 115点 29本 .390 .569 .959
鈴木 .310 042点 06本 .361 .386 .747 ←
出辺 .306 073点 12本 .366 .452 .818
歩蘭 .306 058点 08本 .350 .417 .767
間赤 .306 087点 20本 .406 .491 .897
歯見 .304 130点 32本 .371 .530 .901
破風 .304 108点 32本 .360 .552 .912
夏例 .303 091点 27本 .365 .521 .886
出門 .302 071点 17本 .375 .461 .836
炉鳥 .302 103点 35本 .392 .573 .965
時板 .300 069点 11本 .363 .408 .771
毛野 .300 129点 23本 .374 .499 .873
岩村 .274 048点 06本 .349 .380 .729
福留 .257 058点 10本 .359 .379 .738
城島 .227 039点 07本 .277 .332 .609
75 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 09:23:43 ID:Ir1yJtIH
普通の選手はその内野安打が打てないんだから、実力のうちでしょ。
76 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 09:28:45 ID:kTpBJZ+Z
大体第一回WBC前はイチローは婦女子や野球をしたこと無い奴ら
からその組し難い性格を嫌われていた。WBCでナショナリストとして今までのアンチから
迎えられた時、俺には大きな違和感があった。グラウンドに立った事すらない
奴らがその人間の発言ひとつで簡単に覆りやがってと。
イチローにアンチが乱立する今こそ、真のイチローファン野球ファンである我等の
立ち上がる時が来たのだ。
77 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 09:32:24 ID:XUU41+Uw
スレ伸びないで可哀相w
態度がでかいというが
・日本で7年連続首位打者
・MLBで8年連続GG 他多数
・21世紀に入ってから、最も多くの試合に出場したMLB選手
これで態度が問題になるなら、他の選手は何すりゃ許してもらえるんだw
今回の代表だって、殆どの選手はイチローより年齢(キャリア年数)が下だしねえ。
イチローが辞めたら問題無い
最低の癌だから
81 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 13:47:10 ID:1jde9aZs
メジャーでは投手は内野安打なんかどうでもいいと思ってるからそれでせこく稼いでただけ
そのおなさけヒットで200本安打(失笑)とか達成して俺sugeeeeeeeeeeしてるんだぜ
哀れとしかいいようがない
82 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 13:51:32 ID:xehGyfD9
誰でも出来る事ならとっくに誰かがやってるだろ
83 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 13:53:05 ID:GonQTnFH
そんな隙間産業に目をつけたゴキローさん
84 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 14:56:02 ID:D0LSUO9a
>>70-72 何でいつもイチローの事ばかり気にするんだい?
後続の中島の併殺とかだって、放送されてない事が多いのに
85 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 15:01:49 ID:GonQTnFH
中島批判かよ・・・
教祖ゴキブリ様の珍打を棚上げかよ
信じられない
86 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 15:12:13 ID:D0LSUO9a
>>85 どこをどう読んだら中島批判に見えるんだい?
イチローの凡打の方が後続の凡打より放送される事が少ないわけじゃないのに、
イチローの凡打がカットされた事だけ取り上げて騒ぐアンチの行動を批判してるんだが
87 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 15:20:38 ID:GonQTnFH
は?ゴキブリが中島の何倍珍打してるとおもってんの?
内野安打って、記録員の胸先三寸しだいだから
エラーにすることだって出来ますからw
89 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 17:01:59 ID:hvehcO+Z
むしろイチローは試合の流れと関係ない凡打でも放送されることが多いが、
他の選手はそういうことはない
内野安打すら打てずに、ろくに一軍登録されず球界を去って行った俊足の野手がどれだけいることか・・・
>>88 そりゃエラーかどうか微妙なあたりだけだろw
頭悪いこといってんじゃねぇよwww
92 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 17:50:03 ID:XgcYMtyU
イチローは一番だから
93 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 17:56:27 ID:XgcYMtyU
まぁお前らネットにしがみつく夜行虫が少数いようが
世界にいる大多数のイチローファンの前には無力だろ
94 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/21(土) 18:09:22 ID:ZiXPlooo
実質打率は2割5分くらいだな
アメリカに来てからの日本の内野安打は6本
岩村 3本
福留 1本
青木 1本
小笠原 1本
アメリカに来てからの日本の長打も6本
イチロー 三塁打1本 二塁打1本
稲葉 二塁打2本
内川 本塁打1本
城島 二塁打1本(キューバのエラー気味)
96 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/23(月) 21:50:31 ID:1YKvr5CQ
WBC内野安打も打てないな
まーシーズン入ったら量産すると思うけどw
97 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/24(火) 00:18:31 ID:HnItSuw1
WBC見てるけど、イチローのヒットはクリーンヒットが多いね
98 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/24(火) 00:36:55 ID:4pHy3DVw
内野安打ないと本当に2割ちょいの打者なんだなぁ…
99 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/24(火) 10:38:35 ID:D/bCvPdv
しかも出塁できないポンコツ一番打者だから困る
とりあえずヒットは打ちまくるし三番向きだな。
101 :
うひょ:2009/03/24(火) 13:00:47 ID:u6+VrXwL
102 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/24(火) 13:02:47 ID:fFZhqeTH
まぁこんな打撃一年間続けてたらファンが呆れるのがよくわかる
103 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/24(火) 13:03:10 ID:aRtlWUgn
いい選手じゃないか
日本人の誇り!
104 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/25(水) 13:47:11 ID:UC+g7WMi
“ベストナイン”に松坂、岩隈、青木が選出
日本の連覇で幕を閉じた第2回WBCの「オール・トーナメント・チーム(ポジション別優秀選手)」
(投手3人、DHを含む12人)が24日に発表され、
日本からは松坂、岩隈、青木の3人が選出された。
これは、WBCを取材した記者たちの投票により選ばれるもので、キム・テギュンとセペダは満票で選出。
また、準優勝の韓国からはボン・チュングンら日本を上回る4人が選出されている。
◆ベストチーム◆
投 手:松坂大輔(日本)
投 手:岩隈久志(日本)
投 手:ボン・チュングン(韓国)
捕 手:I・ロドリゲス(プエルトリコ)
一塁手:キム・テギュン(韓国)
二塁手:J・ロペス(ベネズエラ)
三塁手:イ・ボムホ(韓国)
遊撃手:J・ロリンズ(米国)
外野手:青木宣親(日本)
外野手:F・セペダ(キューバ)
外野手:Y・セスペデス(キューバ)
D H:キム・ヒョンス(韓国)
http://www.sponichi.co.jp/baseball/flash/KFullFlash20090325009.html
105 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/25(水) 19:02:00 ID:pHgQ0MOS
人間のクズゴミロー死ねよ
>>イチローの打率から内野安打分を抜いたら
抜く理由がさっぱりわからん
野球のルールを知らない韓国人かよ
107 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/27(金) 23:25:50 ID:/BRZl+4J
乞食賞MVPにゴキロー
108 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/27(金) 23:39:16 ID:FNSwLfGh
僕は在日韓国人です。日本で働いてます。でも今回は韓国の方が強いです。日本は素晴らしいですが、反則とジャッジで優勝しました。ビデオを導入したら日本は負けます。日本人も韓国が上って理解してるのに。
アメリカとやりたかった。ちゃんと反論できるならいいよ
109 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/28(土) 00:45:28 ID:OzcYIh1I
ビデオを導入していたら〜のたら〜を
やめなさい
タラレバなら何でも言える
ただ韓国代表の監督が日本が強いと認めてるのに
ど素人の韓国人が、認めないって
論外ですよ
このスレ終了! 完
110 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/29(日) 12:55:47 ID:3dcfHALc
エラーをアウトに考えたら広島が優勝してた
>>30 イチローの三振した後の王様みたいな歩き方についてだけど、イチローが
「本当は下むきたくなるんだけど、相手投手からしたら、それ見るとくみし易いと思われるから
わざとそうやってる 三振しても堂々としてたら、コイツ何考えてるかわかんねえって思ってもらえる
から」って言ってたよ
112 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/29(日) 13:56:36 ID:2vYD0MEN
2008年の前半は結構四球率高かったのに後半でいつも通りになったな
メジャーいってからのイチロー見てる人なら分かる事だけど、2006年、2008年が内容最悪だよな
2005年は数字以上に内容あったし 本塁打、打点もあったしね
113 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/29(日) 14:00:29 ID:9hiybtZC
>>111 なるほどね。でもイチローが肩いからせて歩いてると
チンピラが精一杯強がってるみたいに見えて笑ってしまう。
114 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/29(日) 14:12:56 ID:dXdNq9/Z
>>113 イチローさんが肩をいからせて歩くのは安全地帯にいる時だけ
見逃し三振の時はいかにも審判の判定が悪いと言わんばかりに
ヤンキー歩きでベンチに戻ってくる
しかし乱闘になると一転。内股バックステップでもう一目散、韋駄天、
脱兎のごとく、命からがら遁走、逃げ出してしまう
内野安打も安打なのに、わざわざ抜く意味がわからんのだが
出塁率から四球や死球を抜くのか?
116 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/29(日) 14:33:40 ID:W2wLxpUu
>>108 成り済まし韓国人乙
日本人て本当にやることが汚いですね
韓国人の振りをして韓国人の評価を下げようとするなんて最低です
117 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/03/29(日) 17:02:07 ID:3dcfHALc
>>108 アメリカとやりたかったなら、二次ラウンド1位なっとけよ
抜いた所でどうなんだ?
外野に飛ぼうが内野に飛ぼうがヒットはヒットだろ。
119 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/05(日) 21:52:18 ID:HFx5QJic
オールスターでもランディージョンソン相手に恥ずかしげもなくゴキヒット打ってたからなw
>>114 イチロー小物すぎw
こういう小ざかしい自己プロデュースでニワカは騙せても、実態を知ってる
チームメイト嫌われるのは当然の結果だったんだなw
122 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/12(日) 08:26:29 ID:hEIzEC0B
イチローは蚊
123 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/18(土) 07:47:23 ID:4Ku9MvH8
2試合で内野安打0は奇跡といっていい
124 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/23(木) 15:40:16 ID:ZkedLkQc
すでに2本打ってるがな
>>120になにか言える理知的なアンチはいないの?w
ただただ印象で語るだけのバカばっかりなの?w
126 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/23(木) 16:06:44 ID:um0W/LZg
内野安打にしろ盗塁にしろ、足の使えないところがいかに弱いかは横浜見てれば分かる筈なんだが
ていうか内野安打何がいけないの?
他の選手のは抜かないくせにイチローだけ叩く材料にしてるバカなアンチ
128 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/23(木) 21:25:52 ID:TJXPLODx
ゴロゴロ
129 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/23(木) 21:40:06 ID:jnfOZ6Sq
で、今の打率と実質打率は何割なん?
確か碌に打ってないんでしょ?
130 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/30(木) 11:24:42 ID:NC6eLdSt
今日もゴキヒット♪
131 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/30(木) 11:27:24 ID:5AJIiU87
邪飛と内野単打が売りのイチローさん
カコ(・∀・)イイ!!
実質打率なんて言葉朝鮮にしかねぇ〜よ(笑)
133 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/30(木) 12:07:10 ID:3WGM928J
昨日のダブルヘッダー合わせて14打数3安打 内ゴキヒット2本 ←wwwwwwwwwwww
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実質打率?
なんだそりゃ。こんなこと考えてる連中は一対一で野球やるがよろし。
135 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/30(木) 12:26:39 ID:xHwvHrBB
ところでイチロー以外からも内野安打は抜かないのかい?
なんでイチローだけなんだ?
136 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/04/30(木) 12:34:49 ID:uDrx54Zz
ていうかなんで内野安打失敗を抜かないの?
率としておかしくなるだろ
>>135 抜いたとこでメジャーの平均打率が下がるだけで一流選手にはさほど影響ない
でもイチローさんは…(笑)
わが大韓民国が発明した偉大な実質打率(笑)によると
イチローはショボいニダ!
Q1.見栄(三重)って誰?
A.「イチローの打撃技術〜」スレに貼り付いている三重県在住の基地外ゴキヲタのことです。
アンチに論破され続けたため精神を病み、コピペ発狂が日課で、コピペの他には
もはや言い返す術がなくなったため、根拠のない妄想でアンチ全員を「ファンタ」という
少年漫画板の厨コテに認定して煽るしか芸がないようです。
携帯からのIDが本体で、パソコンからは無線LANを用いてのIDチェンジを
フル活用しているため、持ちIDが論破されると新しいIDで出直す、
多数工作でゴリ押しして誤魔化す、等の特徴があります。
Q2.なんでそのゴキヲタは見栄って呼ばれてるの?
A.打撃技術スレ27スレ目の
>>157,185等参照。
三重くんの自演にうんざりしたアンチがν速に書き込むように指示したところ、
こちらには複数のIDがあるにも関わらず、指定のスレに書き込みをしたのは
三重県のゴキヲタだけ。さらに、三重県と言うのが恥ずかしかったらしく
千葉県から書き込んでいる別人を自分だと言い張り(あっさり見破られる)
さらに三重大生と学歴詐称してしまう見栄っ張りだからです。
Q3.なんで見栄(三重)が高校生あるいは高卒の学歴詐称ってばれたの?
A.打撃技術スレの27スレ目
>>157,185等参照。
ニュー速の指定先のスレで、三重大の教育学部1年生と名乗るも、
詐称喚問にまったく答えられず、煽りに耐え切れなくなりようやく
喚問に応じるも、取得科目を大学の科目名とは思えない高校の科目名を答え、
不信に思ったスレ住人に突っ込まれた挙句、調査の結果
三重大のウェブシラバスで存在しない科目を言ってしまっていたからです。
さらに追い込まれた際の煽り文句も中学生並みで
「発信源特定した」「お前隣人に晒されてるよ」等の名言があります。
140 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 14:07:37 ID:gvAgT1r/
メジャーで1番2番やってる奴はほとんど2割5分以下になるわな
クリンナップ打ってる奴はそれほと変わらないか
そもそもMLB1年間でどれくらい出ているんだろ?
平均打率.260として1チーム200本、合計6000本くらいか?
パクリだらけの韓国がついに自前で何かを生み出しました!
実質打率(笑)
143 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 15:03:50 ID:EY/iqE6i
せっかくスレたてたんだから実質打率とやらを毎日更新してよ
実質打率なんて言葉は日本にないよ
ただ足で稼いだ内野安打がないとイチローは二流打者ってことは事実だがな
すばらしい走塁能力を持った選手
145 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 16:48:30 ID:OEsPrcJ/
とりあえず日本人の誹謗はやめようよ。 極東軍事裁判以降
日本人は怒りや憎しみを内に向けるようになった。 悪いのは日本人だと。
朝鮮人に嫌われ日本人からも叩かれたらイチローの帰るところがなくなる
じゃないか。 イチローが糞だったら 岩村や福留はもっと糞じゃないか。
おまえらはメジャーで日本人が活躍することを当たり前に思ってないか?
プロ野球はメジャーには程遠いよ。 巨人のホームラン王 松井さんでも
メジャーに行ったら繋ぎの小粒打者に変わったんですよ。 大きな期待を
するな。 イチローを褒めてやれ。
はいはい
カサカサゴキゴキ。
147 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 17:06:54 ID:OEsPrcJ/
高校野球で意味もなく最後の打者が一塁に意味もなくヘッスラするのを
やめて欲しい。 どうせアウトなのに何でヘッスラするの? 一生懸命
走ってみんなの涙でも誘うつもり? 馬鹿じゃねえの。 根性丸出しで
かっこわりぃんだよ。 内野ゴロなんかで全力疾走するんじゃねえよ。
小賢しいことしやがって。 俺だったら内野ゴロだったら 一塁まで
走らないね。 走ると無駄に体力を使うし、汚いやつだと思われるから
ゴロと分かった瞬間に歩いてベンチに戻る。
イチローが内野安打を量産する原因は高校野球による洗脳教育。
全力疾走をさせる高校野球の指導者が悪い。 そりゃさ、内野ゴロでも
全力疾走すれば相手の送球ミスを誘ってセーフになるかもしれんよ。
でもな、相手のミスに乗じて出塁しようなんて鬼畜の考える事だろ。
潔く歩いてアウトになれっての。 少年野球から見直す必要があるな。
148 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 17:12:46 ID:VqHEinim
内野安打が多いって事は身体能力から生まれる安打
バスケのダンクも同じ
確かにコービー・ブライアントやレブロンジェームス
そしてマイケル・ジョーダンからダンクを除いて考えれば
二流になってしまうかもしれない
ダンク主流のシャキール・オニールは確実に三流だろう
149 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 17:13:17 ID:YDFcZ356
敵の内野陣が普通に送球しても間に合う足持ってるのに歩いたら怠慢プレーでプロ失格だろjk
それやったときのコメントがコピペ化されてるが。
150 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 17:15:40 ID:VqHEinim
この内野安打を除くヤツからすれば
バスケのダンクはただリングの近くまで行って
身長が高いからかジャンプ力があるからかの能力で
直接リングに入れるセコいシュートになるんだろうな
151 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 17:26:16 ID:edVE7e7m
一生懸命は素晴らしい。
カッコ悪くたっていんだよ。
そんなこと関係ねえ
一生懸命がかっこ悪いなんて言ってるやつは豆腐にぶつかってしんじまえ。
152 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 17:35:26 ID:AbQOarSm
ヘッドスライディングまでして安打にするのは見てて悲しくなるってイチローさんはおっしゃってましたけど?
ヘッドスライディングの重要性は別にして一生懸命を嘲笑うのはイチローさんです。
必死に内野安打を稼ぐイチローが言うような言葉じゃないし面白かったよ。
後、お腹出たら引退するって言うくらいデブはアスリートととして認めていない。
この人は調子乗って浮かれていると問題発言多いし機嫌が悪いと皮肉しか言わない。
人気球団ならマスコミに潰される典型的な選手です
一流と二流の差は執念の差。
154 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 17:47:19 ID:iV2jH013
イチロー年度別成績
年 度 安打数 内野安打(割合) 実質安打数 実質打率
2001 242 62本(25.6%) 180 .350 → .260
2002 208 52本(25.0%) 156 .321 → .241
2003 212 45本(21.2%) 167 .312 → .246
2004 262 59本(22.5%) 203 .372 → .290
2005 206 36本(17.5%) 170 .303 → .252
2006 224 41本(18.3%) 183 .322 → .265
2007 238 50本(21.0%) 188 .351 → .272
2008 213 53本(24.8%) 160 .310 → .233
内野安打含めてのメジャー平均打率が2割5分ぐらいだからイチローは並の選手だな
155 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/07(木) 18:11:56 ID:OEsPrcJ/
>>152 イチローは一塁へのヘッドスライディングの効果について否定的
なんだよ。 陸上競技でもたまに似たような議論があるが・・・
ヘッスラする選手の心理も嫌いなんだろうと思う。 阪神の亀山がヘッスラ
をパフォーマンスとしていたが、いわずもがなそういうとこが嫌いなんだろう。
腹が出たら引退するって言ってたのは本当だ。 デブが嫌いなんだろう。
俺も嫌いだ。 野球はデブでもできるがデブが有利なわけではない。
たいていのテブは怠慢であるので努力家のイチローからしてみれば許せない
のだろう。 デブがデブを非難したのならば首を傾げるがイチローのスリム
な肉体を見せ付けられている以上、彼の発言に逆らうことはできない。
イチローは完璧過ぎるから嫌われる。 世の凡人はコンプレックスを持ってる
ことが多いので(誰でもだが)余計にカチンと来るのだろう。 朝鮮人の反応
などを見ていればつくづくそう思う。 弱者に対する配慮が少し足りない感も
しないでもないが だからどうしたというレベルである。 俺様はイチローを
尊敬する。 彼は嘘を付かない。 本心を喋るから毒舌も出る。 正直過ぎて
嫌われる。 上に立つということは綺麗な生き方では難しいと思う。
チームプレイを盛んに叫ぶ輩がいるが まずは自分だろ。 野球だぞ。
チームメイトは敵である。 蹴落として這い上がり、成績を積み上げる。
四球を選んでばかりじゃ生涯成績はパッとしない。 イチローは確信犯。
そういう人間が出世し名を残す。 チームに貢献して無もなき戦士として
死ぬよりも名声を取ったんだよ。 国家の戦争じゃないんだから チームの
為に己を犠牲にする必要はない。
156 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/08(金) 18:42:09 ID:bov9tLXN
>>148 ダンクなんかなくたってそれらの選手は超一流だよw
ダンクなくなって二流になるのはビンス・カーターとかそっち系だろw
158 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/08(金) 19:24:22 ID:lkz4weCW
アホな方がいるので一応。
イチローの内野安打はソフトボールにも通ずる彼の革命的な一歩目の早さにある。最高のオリジナリティ!称賛こそあれ批判はない。
>>158 その走塁能力とプレースタイルは称賛に値するね
打つ技術は並だけど
>>148 彼等をばかにするなんてふざけんな、とだけ言っておく
161 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/15(金) 18:32:07 ID:UWYWWdkz
内野安打とは?
相撲でいう立会い変化
テニスでいう急に前へダッシュして打ち込む
麻雀でいう1役で上がり
バスケットでいう残り時間1秒で適当に放り込む
ボクシングでいう審判が見てないスキに肘を打ち込む
サッカーでいうスパイクに接着剤をつけボールをくっつけゴールまで走る
これを恥じらいもなく毎日続けてるのが鈴木ゴキローである
162 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/15(金) 18:41:01 ID:WwJePaMv
163 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/15(金) 19:35:39 ID:UAL44MyY
164 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/24(日) 13:24:35 ID:xXppWyru
イチロー(左打) 年度別成績
年度 打数 Hit数 IFH内野安打 実質 実質打率 内野安打率
2001 692 242本 62本(25.6%) 180本 .350→.260 .090
2002 647 208本 52本(25.0%) 156本 .321→.241 .080
2003 679 212本 45本(21.2%) 167本 .312→.246 .066
2004 704 262本 59本(22.5%) 203本 .372→.290 .084
2005 679 206本 36本(17.5%) 170本 .303→.252 .053
2006 695 224本 41本(18.3%) 183本 .322→.265 .059
2007 678 238本 50本(21.0%) 188本 .351→.272 .074
2008 686 213本 53本(24.8%) 160本 .310→.233 .077
2009 152 *48本 14本(29.2%) *34本 .316→.224 .092
松井秀喜(左打) 年度別成績
年度 打数 Hit数 IFH内野安打 実質 実質打率 内野安打率
2003 623 179本 13本(*7.3%) 166本 .287→.266 .021
2004 584 174本 10本(*5.7%) 164本 .298→.280 .017
2005 629 192本 14本(*7.3%) 178本 .305→.283 .022
2006 172 *52本 *3本(*5.8%) *49本 .302→.285 .017
2007 547 156本 *8本(*5.1%) 148本 .285→.271 .015
2008 337 *99本 *5本(*5.1%) *94本 .294→.279 .015
2009 123 *31本 *2本(*6.5%) *29本 .252→.236 .016
ジーター(右打) 年度別成績
年度 打数 Hit数 IFH内野安打 実質 実質打率 内野安打率
2002 644 191本 19本(10.0%) 172本 .297→.267 .030
2003 482 156本 14本(*9.0%) 142本 .324→.295 .029
2004 643 188本 27本(14.4%) 161本 .292→.250 .042
2005 654 202本 24本(11.9%) 176本 .309→.269 .037
2006 623 214本 26本(12.1%) 188本 .343→.302 .042
2007 639 206本 29本(14.1%) 177本 .322→.277 .045
2008 596 179本 25本(14.0%) 154本 .300→.271 .042
2009 165 *45本 *8本(17.8%) *37本 .273→.224 .048
166 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/24(日) 13:37:57 ID:dAyJNWnw
わざと叩きつけて、内野安打を狙って打ってる選手に
「内野安打が多すぎる」と批判しても意味ない。
167 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/24(日) 19:53:11 ID:DHuyTLkl
一塁への全力疾走をセコいと思うような奴にアスリートを名乗ってほしくないな
そういう面があるから野球選手の運動量の少なさ等が馬鹿にされるし、
そんなメンタルでやる野球は馬鹿にされても仕方ないし見ててつまらない
169 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/24(日) 21:10:06 ID:f0DNzUqi
全力プレーを馬鹿にする
>>147みたいなやつはなんなの?
そういうやつらに野球の話、もっと言えばスポーツの話をして欲しくないね
野球は一生懸命やるから面白いのであって、だらだらやっても面白くない
170 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/24(日) 23:45:20 ID:Qp9gkIc7
ここはネタスレなのか?それともまぢで書き込んでるのか?『内野安打を抜いたら』って、まず何で抜く必要があるの?内野安打も安打になることは記録上変わることはないのに。
実質○○とか、そんな朝鮮人みたいなこと言うなよ。足でヒットを稼ぐことの何が悪いのかよく分からないし、足でヒットを稼いでるっていうなら赤星は何で200本打てないんだ
171 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/25(月) 00:16:03 ID:brRgC4AZ
172 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/25(月) 04:33:36 ID:b23cyScr
>>171 自分で調べたら?それを知って君はどうしたいの?どうなりたいの?内野安打だろうが、たまたま野手と外野の間に落ちたポテンヒットだろうが安打は安打なんですけど。
ここの連中は内野安打を抜いた打率を計算したり調べたりすることが趣味なの?生き甲斐なの?もっと他にするべきことがあるだろ。文句があるなら、これからは内野安打を安打として加算するなってそれ相応の場所に抗議にでもいけよ。
173 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/05/25(月) 04:39:30 ID:U1S2LSVg
イチローも含めて、なんで右利きの奴が左打ちにするのか考えてみろ。
安打は安打なのはわかってるっつーの。
議論やってるのは価値の違いの話だろJK
外野安打≧内野安打なんだから
後者で打率稼ぐ昆虫よりゃ前者で高打率の奴のが価値あるって単純な話。
そもそも年取って視力衰えて外野安打打てなくなって、ますますゴキヒット依存が酷くなってきたから
チャンスでことごとく凡退なってきてんだろ。
得点圏にランナーいるとゴキヒット成立しにくいからな。
@得点圏で打ちにくい。埋まってる塁が多い程その傾向が強まる。
A打ってもランナーは1進塁が精一杯。最悪ランナー進めず。
ゴキヒットってものの価値の低さよくわかんべ。
>>174 打率に関していうとイチローは現役メジャー最高レベル
内野安打ほぼなしでメジャー最高の打率>内野安打打ちまくりでメジャー最高の打率>>>>>メジャーで高打率
そもそも得点圏などランナーズオンでは内野安打は発生しにくいし、機会も限られてるから
イチローがいくら内野安打多いっていっても、得点圏で内野安打成立する数などシーズン通してもわずか
ランナーなしだと内野安打と外野安打(こんな野球用語ないが)で走者の進塁力関係ないから価値は一緒
だが確かにここ数年得点圏で打てなくなってきているのは気になるね
昔は鬼強だっただけに余計
あとイチローのアンチはやたらと内野安打に絡んでるけど、
上記の理由で内野安打と外野安打なんて価値においてほぼ差がないし
イチローに関して気になるのはむしろ短打が多すぎることだと思うけどね
短打の内訳につっこまず、内野安打外野安打関係なく短打自体につっこむべきだと思う
それなのにアンチはなぜか朝鮮メディア式の打撃技術論で、打率から内野安打を単純に除くとか滑稽なことするから笑われる
短打ばっかでシーズン平均220安打(最低200)打つぐらいなら、平均で200程度(180〜220)でいいしもっと長打打って欲しい
安打自体は、もちろんなら内野外野関係なくはガンガン打って欲しいね
176 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/06(土) 15:09:16 ID:oWJ5W0d2
177 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/06(土) 15:16:42 ID:CrZSxlMH
内野安打が多い事と短打が多い事は切り離せない事だと思うが?
180〜ぐらいなら長打がガンガン打てると思ってるの?
一見批判的なレスしておきながらそりゃ典型的ゴキ脳だ。
178 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/06(土) 17:39:21 ID:/QMrMubb
イチローは足が速いから三塁打が多い。
三塁打ていうのはリードオフマンにとって重要だよ。ツーアウトじゃなかったら次打者がヒット打たなくても点が入る。
>>178 それで点が入らないのがマリナーズクオリティ
180 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/06(土) 21:00:25 ID:m5jrOulZ
ごろごろ
181 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/06(土) 21:08:29 ID:uClf1eAc
>>172 お前の言ってる事は全て正論、だけどスレタイを嫁。
内野安打を批判するスレにしかなりようがないんだから、お前は
ここに来るべきじゃない。
もっとまともな奴がいるとこにいけよ。
182 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/06(土) 21:15:52 ID:DX4XxFyq
大リーグ最強のバッター
by NHK だってさ。
183 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/06(土) 21:40:00 ID:BChXRafc
ゴロゴロ
184 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/06(土) 21:44:12 ID:S4J8NAkW
>>181 ようするに、まともな奴はいないって事ですな。
世界一のバッターだ > イチロー
by カストロ というのもある。WBC直後
投手起用を誤らなかったな > 原WBC監督
by カストロ もあったそうです
松井さんの打率からも内野安打分を引きましょうよ
あと、右翼が狭いヤンスタだから、成績から右のHRも引きましょう
もともと考える価値すらない無意味な
>>1の主張だが、
内野安打に費やした打数を引いた上での打率でないと、さらに無意味となる。
内野安打に対しては「打ち損じ」っていうイメージが
どうしても付きまとうし、
実質打率論者の気持ちはある程度は理解できる。
最終的にはあの独特の打法と俊足でセーフにしてる事を
受け入れられるか否かだと思うんだけど、
190 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/10(水) 19:05:30 ID:EjNojjOM
イチローの打率が高いのは足が速いから。内野安打を凡打に換算すると実質打率は云々・・・
○○の打率が高いのは力が強いから。本塁打を外野フライに換算すると実質打率は云々・・・
まさに不毛
力は直接バット振る動作にかかわってるやん。だから打撃技術から切り離せない。
しかし、バット放り投げた後カサカサするのはどうこじつけても打撃技術に入らない。
192 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/10(水) 19:22:40 ID:W9TUh2NF
>>1 お前って馬鹿ですか?
プロばかりでなく、野球やっていて、どんな打球(フェア)でも全力
で走るのが基本だ。
にわかは、消えな。
結局、野球のルールの根本を理解してるかどうかってこと。
クリーンヒット性やホームラン性の打球でも取られたら終了。
ゴキでも相手守備に勝ればok。
打ち損じかクリーンヒットかは、9人でやる団体競技としてはどうでもいい些細な問題。
野球の本質を忘れて、話を投打の個人対決やバッティング理論に矮小化したいやつだけオナってればよい。
194 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/10(水) 20:03:13 ID:vZHUWSiK
.265
195 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/10(水) 20:10:30 ID:W9TUh2NF
196 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/10(水) 20:15:17 ID:ruJihukj
>>1ホームランも芯を外さないと(つまらせないと)打てないのは知ってるか?
197 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/10(水) 20:37:05 ID:F9ydWAyR
>>190 >○○の打率が高いのは力が強いから。本塁打を外野フライに換算すると実質打率は云々・・
これはたしかにあるね
実質打率に足で稼いだ内野安打を除くのならば
力のみでスタンドインさせたホームランも実質打率から除くべきだな
198 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/10(水) 20:38:55 ID:G1JcRy4b
狭い球場や追い風に運ばれたホームランは実質アウトだよな
199 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/10(水) 20:45:25 ID:vZHUWSiK
200 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/11(木) 02:09:10 ID:X4Hgb1z0
実質安打数って何?
そんな日本語聞いたことないわw
201 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/11(木) 02:13:26 ID:IE+L5SDu
>>200 朝鮮メディアが2001年に考えたバカ理論をイボマニアが2chで広めたんだよw
もちろん日本でもアメリカでも、朝鮮とイボマニア以外では使われてませんw
なんで内野安打抜くの?ねえなんで?
203 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/11(木) 03:06:16 ID:qU/kO/WL
みんなイチローファンになろうよ
いがみ合いはやめてさ
204 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/11(木) 03:06:41 ID:eVBOXKWs
内野安打ばかり打ってる情けないゴキブリ だからかな?
まぁ K-1でいうムサシみたいな感じ
チビチビ当てて判定狙う みたいな
アメリカではそんな卑怯者は求められていない
ですから、
技術&スピードのイチロー選手から内野安打を抜いて打率を算出するのでしたら、
技術&パワー型の選手のフライヒット(本塁打含む)を抜いて算出してください。
イチロー選手はスピードがあるから内野ゴロでも安打になる。
腕力のある選手は力があるから内野もしくは外野の頭を越える打球が打てる。
違いますか。
207 :
名無しさん@実況は実況板で:2009/06/11(木) 03:14:23 ID:qU/kO/WL
>>204 心が荒んでますよ…
イチローを理解しイチローファンになれば澄み切った気持ちになれますよ
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