Talk about a dedicated browser.

I want to make a dedicated browser for bbspink and 2ch. What features do you guys want? Lets brainstorm.

These are some features that I like:

* Automatic image display

* Bookmark threads

* Display new replies automatically

>>1 in Japanese
bbspinkや2chの専ブラを作りたいと思う。
みんな、どんな機能が欲しい?
ブレインストームしてみようかー

>>2 inJapanese
自分がいいと思う機能は
＊自動の画像表示
＊スレのブクマ機能
＊新レスの自動表示(自動更新機能)

>>3
どうもありがとうございました

>>2
>* Automatic image display
I think that kinds of auto-loaded pictures should be selected by user.
A malicious link can be set in a JPG file. also, you can hide a unfavorable picture in a GIF file.

Someone may want it, someone might not need it. so i mean them as configurable by user.

自動イメージ表示機能は、ユーザが選択可能にすべきだと思うのです。
JPGファイルには悪意あるリンクを埋め込めるし、GIFファイルには好ましくない画像を入れておくこともできます。
だから、それを利用したいユーザもいるだろうし、利用したくないユーザもまたいると思うのです。
んで、ユーザが選択可能にすべきだと。

>>5
How about we make a small button next to each image link? Users can decide whether or not to click the button. If they click the button, then the image will load in the page.
We can also have an option to automatically load all images. And an option to never load images.

I have another point of view.
I'm already using 2ch didicated browser now, which name is V2C.
It provides me to have favorite board/thread links, image display(manually).
Also, I know some variants like Jane family browsers.

I think that your problem is the "no dedicated browsers support Non-Japanese menu nor help," isn't it?
in other words, those browsers have only to be ready for Non-Japanese menus, I believe.

他の視点でお話しすると。
自分は既に専ブラのひとつ、V2Cを使っています。
それは既にお気に入りの板やスレを登録できるし、(手動ながら)画像表示も。
さらに、Janeファミリーのような専ブラもあるのを知っています。

自分は、あなたの問題点が「専ブラは日本語メニューだけで、それ以外の言語をサポートしていないこと」だと
思うのですがどうでしょう?
言い換えれば、それら専ブラが日本語以外のメニューをサポートすりゃいい話じゃないかと。

>>7
What is a "Non-Japanese menu"? Do you have an example?
I know V2C and Janestyle.

手広くやる前にやることがあるんじゃないかと小一時間(ry

Code Monkey ★-san, please do not disappointed.
I only talked other way/approach from my point of view.
your idea for the own-built browser would be a valuable act in bbspink.

Code Monkey ★さん、ガッカリしないでください。
私は、自分の立場から見える他の手法/アプローチについて話しただけです。
専ブラを内製しようって考えは価値ある行動の一つだと思いますので。

>>9
建設的にケチをつけましょう。言いたいことは重々判りますので。

I am not disappointed. I have a plan to make a dedicated browser. I want to know what features you want in the browser.
I hope to make a browser that everyone will enjoy using.

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEFLax29OIc
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tPkuc2mCx8

>>8
for example, V2C only have built-in Japanese menu. No other language can be selected.
btw, have you ever truied Crystal Disk Info? ttp://crystalmark.info/?lang=en
No description needed for CDM. Please download and try it.
That's my ideal software that adopts multiple languages.
If V2C and/or other dedicated browsers adopts language plug-in,

例えば、V2Cには日本語メニューが組み込まれているだけです。 他の言語は選択できません。
ところで、CrystalDiskInfoを使ったことはありますか? 説明は不用でしょう。
DLして使ってみてください。そこに自分が思う最適解があります

sorry >13 is incompleted..

If V2C and/or other dedicated browsers (also your own built one) supports language plug-in,
people will try to adopt their messages from japanese to the other languages like english.
Then, you can also enjoy the ease of use through them as same as many japanese users.
(except the translation matter.)

sorry, it's too hard to integrate the translation engine between japanese and english in it,
but it's possible to adopt the external dictionary services via web browser. It exists here in V2C.

>>13,14
Okay I understand. I dont think English dedicated browser is important.
2ch and bbspink are Japanese websites with almost no English. Making a browser
with Japanese is most important. Making the ability to accept different
language plug-ins is a good idea though.

So far, I will add these features:
* Language plug-in support
* Optional image display in thread
* Bookmark threads
* Display new replies automatically

Is there anything else that you feel is necessary for a dedicated browser to have?

>>15
Why do you want to make a new dedicated browser now?
There are already lots of dedicated browsers such as Jane and V2C.
What is the purpose of making a new one?
Features you showed are already supported by most of the existed browsers.

どうして今になって新しい専ブラをつくろうとしてるんだ？
すでに専ブラは沢山あるのに、それでも新しく作る理由は何？
>>15 に挙げてある機能はすでに多くのブラウザが実装しているし、
何か開発する「意義」がなければやる意味がないのでは？

>>15
* past-logs management (kako-log, local file management)
someone might store past-logs as much as possible until the storage became disk-full,
someone only needs logs what the threads became dat-ochi within four months (maybe longer or shorter).
Every user would have one's own best period to keep it, i believe.
so, please being noticed for past-log storage size and/or their handling policy may vary for every user.

inJapanese
過去ログの管理について(ローカルのログデータ管理のこと)
ディスクフルまで過去ログを保持したい人もいるだろうし、
人によっては過去4ヶ月以内にdat落ちしたもの程度を必要としているかもしれない(長短はあるにせよ)。
各ユーザにはそれぞれの最適な保持期間の考えがあるでしょう。だから、過去ログの保存容量や
その取り扱い方針には各ユーザで違うということに気づいてて欲しいのです。

>>16
I want to make a cloud-based dedicated browser. Store all data on the cloud, then users wont need to worry about storage space. Their data will also be saved across many different computers. They wont be limited to just one computer or device.

ローカルのマシンに著作権のあるデータをログデータとして保存すると
著作権法違反にならないん？　ですから　あえて機能を制限してるんだが・

>>19
I will have permission to save the data. There shouldnt be any copyright complaints.

>>15
so i mean that you've only to announce officially as follows;

To all authors of 2ch-style bbs dedicated browsers:
Please prepare for multiple language adoptivity other than japanese.
we'll assist you to translate all japanese messages into english.
First, we need your own data format in Japanese description.
Then, we'll put it into english (and some other languages if available.)

well,, how rU going to handle the user-support?

inJapanese;
なので、あなた方は以下のような公式アナウンスをするだけでいいと思うんですよ。

2ch型掲示板準拠の専ブラ作者様方へ
日本語以外の多言語対応を御検討ください。
CrystalDewWorldが行っているような手法の導入を御願いしています。
全ての日本語表記を英語に翻訳するお手伝いをする用意があります。
まずは、プラグイン形式で読み込ませる基本フォーマットを作っていただいてから
それを英語に(可能なら他言語にも)翻訳していきましょう。

と。 でも、サポートとかどうするのかな? 英語限定で開始して、あとは順次様子見?

>>21
I cant translate Japanese to English. I dont know how to speak Japanese.
If somebody else wants to translate Japanese to English, that is a good idea.

>>21
cloud-basedで作りたいっていうんだから別に作らせてあげればいいじゃんｗ
通常の専ブラと同期出来る様にAPIを用意するような仕様だと面白いかもね
RaceQueen版のsync2chという

とりあえず落ちないのを頼む

>>22
if you feel alone, you'll be alone.

>>25
I am alone.

>>23
I will be making a new API for this dedicated browser. The API probably will not be public though.

JANE　STYLE　IS　　BEST

There is already a cloud-based psedo-dat-sharing service.

Sync2ch | 複数の2chブラウザ間で閲覧状況を同期するためのWEBサービスです
https://sync2ch.com/

>>28
Oh really? /s
>>29
There is always room for more competition.

My plan is to begin coding a dedicated browser on November 20. I am still accepting submission requests for features. The first release of the browser should be finished
before the end of year 2013.

Q1: When do you release the list of the messages to be shown in your d-browser for its plug-in? It would be needed for translation.
Q2: Does it run on a browser like IE, ff, Chrome, and so on? or, just an independent software on an OS?
Q3: which framework are you going to use? .Net? Java?
Q4: Is it a software only for windows-PC?
Which version of windows(web-browsers?) are you going to support? Vista and later? 7 and later? 8? 8.1?
No other platforms like linux/unix/droids/apple/macpads?

>Q1: When do you release the list of the messages to be shown in your d-browser for its plug-in? It would be needed for translation.
A1: I will release the list after I begin developing the browser. Maybe I can have the list ready before December 1.
>Q2: Does it run on a browser like IE, ff, Chrome, and so on? or, just an independent software on an OS?
A1: It will run in all the standard browsers (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari). There will be an app made for Android and IOS.
I dont plan to make independent software specifically for any OS unless there is very high demand.
>Q3: which framework are you going to use? .Net? Java?
A1: I will use Haskell to build the cloud backend and API. Jquery and emberjs will be used for the browser front-end.
The mobile apps will use Java for Android and Objective-C for IOS.
>Q4: Is it a software only for windows-PC?
A1: No. The software will work on any modern web browser. There will be apps made for Android and IOS.
>Which version of windows(web-browsers?) are you going to support? Vista and later? 7 and later? 8? 8.1?
Answer: It will run in the web browser. You will need a modern web browser. My development will be focused on IE, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, and Safari.
>No other platforms like linux/unix/droids/apple/macpads?
It will work as long as you have a modern web browser. There will be a native app for Android and IOS.

If you have any more questions, then please ask. If anyone has a feature suggestion, then please tell me!

Woops, I made a mistake with the "A1", please forgive me. It should be:
A1
A2
A3
A4

summary >32&>33 in japanese
Q1. 専ブラのプラグインで使用することになるメッセージはいつ頃公表されますか? 翻訳に必要だし。
A1. リストは開発を始めた後に公表します。12月1日より前には出せるかも。

Q2. 専ブラはどうやって実行されますか?
A2. IEやFirefox、Chrome、Opera、Safariなど。一般的なブラウザ上で実行されます。
　泥と林檎IOSではアプリとして提供です。

Q3. フレームワークはどんなの使うのかな? .NetかなJavaかな
A3. HaskellをクラウドのバックエンドとAPIに使います。
　Jqueryとember.jsがブラウザのフロントエンドとして使われるでしょう。
　泥にはJava_for_Androidを、林檎IOSではObjective-Cを使います。

Q4. 専ブラはWindowsを実行するPC用のソフトになるのかな?
A4. モダンなブラウザで実行可能なソフトです。泥と林檎IOSではアプリで提供します。
　ブラウザ上で実行されるので、現行のブラウザを使うだけです。
　開発対象はIEやFirefox、Chrome、OperaそしてSafariです。

他に質問等あれば何なりとどうぞー。実装して欲しい機能の提案とかあればそれもよろしくー。

>>35
Thank you very much.

his is my private manuscript(note of concerns). Not official message to CodeMonkey-san.
Other participants might add their opinion for this..
これは下書きです。他の方々にも観てもらって、文章を練り上げるために書いたものです。

Theme: identification/synchronize/bookmark?　思いつきで書いた

multiple posts PAGE#1
Q1106-1：ログインですよね?
maruみたいにログインして個人識別して、鯖に既読ポインタやスレ/板のブクマなどを保存するの?
How are you going to identify an account? by mailaddress and registered password? by nickname and its password?
or, some other information like cookie based something which was already generated at the last access?
Do the d-browser stores read-pointer of every thread, bookmarks of boards/threads?
they're referred to as STATE hereinafter.

Q1106-2：異なるデバイス間で既読ポインタ同期は可能? ブクマ共有とかも。
Do the STATE shared all the devices like PC1, PC2, droid, and mactab owned by one person?
i-Google like usability will be a kind of ideal answer, i think.

Q1106-3：既読ポインタやスレ・板ブクマなどの情報保存は鯖のみ?　ローカルにも保存させる?
Is it possible to store STATE information onto each devices? Is STATE would be held only in a server in bbspink?

Q1106-4：ブラウザのローカルにも保存させるなら、それはクッキーなのかなiniファイルなのかな?
If the STATE is duplicated to each devices locally, is that a Cookie or something .ini file?

to be continued to PAGE#2

PAGE#2
Q1106-5：もし、鯖側の情報とローカルの情報が食い違ったら、どっちを優先させるの? 鯖側固定?
それぞれの日付情報で新しい方?
When the STATE having difference between the one in server side and user_local side, which priors to the other?
Only server side? judged after the comparision of their timestamps?
Q1106-5memo: PCの初期化で日付は新しいが記述内容がほぼ空のiniファイルが作られたようなとき、
日付優先でアップロードされて鯖側の履歴消失とかないですよね?
これは某鯖運用でアクティブディレクトリの情報消失とか笑えない事故の記憶があるので気になった。
memo: If the user had an OS error and rolled back to the previous state, its STATE might differ.
In case of accidental cookie flushing in a device, d-browser may renew the STATE file,
then the data is compared to the one in server,,,,
the later time-stamped local file might be overwritten to the server and got nothing.
(I remembered an overwriting error in the active_directory server. Newly built/joined AD server sent
its newer-time-stamped empty data to the existing AD servers,
then the 'empty' data is duplicated to the servers immediately. Sooner, thousands of craims/screams...haha)

Q1106-6：コテハンの自動入力とか、手動入力とか設定できる? 板・スレ別の設定はある?
Do the handle name filled automatically? Someone will use this, someone, inconvinient for someone.

Q1106-7：自動ログイン機能は実装されますか? それはデフォルトでON? 手動でOffさせたり可能?
もしかしたら、自分以外の人も使うデバイス(PCやタブ)で使ってて、情報バレとか避けたい人もいるはず。
Is the d-browser loggs in automatically whenever a browser started?
Is that configured manually? Some user may share a PC/tabs to the other person in a family.
Those users might need manual triggered log-in to the server.
[act against for the shoulder hacking?] Also, when the log-in link is opened accidentally,
its account name(maybe equal to a mail-address) should not be listed so that the accunt is invisible to the oterh person.

yes, i know myself as chicken-hearted. あー、気にしすぎだって意見は承知しております。

to be continued to PAGE#3

page#3 will be delayed,
maybe tomorrow

>>37,38
Thank you for your wonderful questions. Does anybody have any opinions about these questions?
If you have an opinion, please talk now. I have an opinion, but I will wait to hear your opinions before I talk.
I want to make a community browser that everyone can enjoy. I want to hear everybody's opinion before I begin coding this project.
Thank you very much.

>>40
you're welcome. ah,, I feel so sorry for you
since I'm talking about many restrictive items for you.

Page#3 will describe two items; the privacy policy/statement of the service
and the alternative path for the main mail address failure..

>>41
I dont feel it is too restrictive. I just want to make a good product. We still have two weeks before I start coding.
Lets figure out exactly what features and restrictions will be needed before I start coding.

sorry, i'm busy now. so i simply listing seeds of items in J.
maybe here agn tonight.

part#3 is;
Q1107-1：個人情報収集のポリシー宣言、何を行い、何をしないのか
Q1107-2：セキュリティポリシーをどう考えているのか?
Q1107-3：携帯可能な端末を紛失したとき、アカウント情報漏洩防止の対策は
Q1107-4：個人識別のキーアイテムを喪失した時の回避策は考えてあるのかな

and so on.
Q1107-5：将来、有料化? サービスの全部または一部が。
Q1107-6：ブラウザの初期化などでクッキー等が初期化されますが、鯖から環境情報のダウンロードは可能?

i think that many people regards 2ch/bbspink as underground site on the net. also, bbspink is a porn site.
this would be common for the users of these sites.
therefore, i'm strongly expecting those services as deeply considered for the privacy related accidents of users.
if not, few person will be here again. (my 'hostile' talk to you is based on it.)

国会の代表質問みたいだ
this looks like a question fight in the congress.

>>43
Privacy is my number one concern.

do you have written(=already described) software specification for d-browser?
it seems better to ask/point/show details about it when people having/found something about it.
or, do i need to start from scratch?

最初にソフトウェア仕様書を掲示してもらって、
それに意見を提示する方が、やりやすいのかもしれない.

>>18
How does the cloud-based dedicated browser post messages?
Does it post directly from the client-side host?
That means the cloud server works only to store data.
Or, does it post via the cloud server?
That means the cloud server works as a proxy like the 2ch official P2.

>>46
Do you think the dedicated browser should post via the cloud server, or post directly from the client-side host?
Currently we are in the planning stage. We could make the browser work with either method.

>>45
I have not started writing the software specification yet. I will begin writing the specification on November 20th.
If you want to help write the specification, then we can work on it together.

>>47-48
I am looking forward to the new browser of Ronald.

>>49
I prefer Ron.

All right. Ron :)

>>51
Lets make an awesome dedicated browser together.

>>47
No, I don't think so.
It sounds good if we can select which method the dedicated browser uses.
As for me, it is interesting if I can use it as yet another P2.
But, in that case, I wonder whether it is free or not.

>>53
Does P2 cost money to use?
We can discuss about whether this new dedicated browser will be free or not.
I have begun working on the browser already. In a few days I will begin publishing some things that need to be translated into Japanese.
I will also provide a working demo version as soon as I can (probably before the end of November).

I am still working on the plan and design of the browser. This weekend I will release a list of words and phrases that should be translated into Japanese.
I am working on the front-end design first, and will make it look great before I begin implementing the backend stuff.
This way, we will have more time to talk about the backend functions, such as which method of posting we will use.

Please wait, I am still working on the graphical UI design.

Sorry I have nothing to show yet. I am still writing code on the browser. I will make an online demo as soon as possible though!

>>54
P2 costs no money to use it as a read-only browser.
But, P2 costs 5,000 moritapo-points per year to post messages.
We can buy 20,000 moritapo-points for 2,000 yen.

CodeMonkey-san, Happy new year ;-)

>>58
Thank you for telling me how it works.
>>59
Happy new years to you too!

I am still working on the dedicated browser. I had too many urgent projects at the end of 2013 so I havent finished the dedicated browser yet.
I will have a browser to show you guys soon. After it is ready I will post the link in here.

no problem.
rushing may include some care-less mistakes into one's work.
also, please proceed some urgent/prior business to make it working properly.
still i'm expecting the day of official release.
the extra postponed time may give me to think about something around of d-browser in detail.

>>61
I am getting ready to release the first ALPHA build of the dedicated browser this weekend.
It is designed for mobile devices. I will post a link here tomorrow so you guys can try it.

some early adoptor may join the alpha program, i suppose.

deep sigh of regret