Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 130

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Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 129
http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1236845508/

Hey!!! you NEETs, nerds, YouＴube-link spammers, pedophiles, neo-Nazis,
Yukorin enthusiasts, Nanako SOS admirers, Part-Time-Preachers,
Diplomats' spoiled sons, losers who can't remember Kanji characters,
Big-boobs fans, Weeaboos from all over the world, learners of Japanese
who are too lazy to update their Japanese blogs very often, and cunning
linguists. And let's celebrate the comeback of the Internet-addicted
housewife.

Here is the place to have a ball!!!!!

Woohoo, new thread.

I'll start with a question...how would you guys recommend learning Kanji?
Just memorize memorize memorize? I have been going for maybe a month but
I can only recognize 75 characters (at the very most). But I have been slacking at it.

>>1
Z

> And let's celebrate the comeback of the Internet-addicted housewife.

This should have been "let's hope the comback of the Internet-addicted housewife
and the panty sniffer" or something like that.

衆議院議員 赤池誠章氏「人として基盤は国籍」
http://www.choujintairiku.com/akaike.html

>>2
It's a difficult question.
But one thing I can tell you is that even a native speaker of Japanese go through
hard time learning Kanji when they are a kid.
Usually, we start learning Kanji after entering elementary school.
When I was a 1st grader, I often thought why I have to learn kanji when
if everything was written in Hiragana, I wouldn't have to learn Kanji.
So I thought, "abolish all kanji." So it is natural that you think it's
hard to learn kanji.

>Just memorize memorize memorize?

That's basically it. We practice writing kanji a lot when we are kids.
So everybody needs their share of lots of practicing. I would recommend you remember
stroke order of Kanji correctly when practicing writing.

As I said, basically it's just about "memorize memorize memorize" but
there's a something that help you learn with interest.
海(sea) 涙(tear) 汗(sweat) 泳ぐ(swim)
As you can see, the three strokes on the left of each kanji means something related
to water. So these kanji with the component means something related to
water. This kind of rule(I don't know if rule is the right word) might
stimulate your interest in Kanji.

NEETs, nerds, are still here, but the rest of people are gone. I think.

>>2
Can you recognize this? 萌

>>3
Panty Sniffer is アメリカ人, I think. Then who is housewife?

カナダ人, Tenneasean, are the only people now.
maybe イギリス人 will come back. But he is male. ドイツ人 is anonymouos.

Housewife...?

>5

Okay thanks =) I'll just keep working at it then. The rule you mentioned
would generally just be called a "pattern".

>6

No, but google says moe lol. I only know basic kanji and some related
to my interests. The most advanced kanji I know of are: 夢、語、雪。

I only know 夢　because I made an effort to remember. This is an example of simple things I know:
人、火、水、天、雨、大、犬、木、本、月、白、川、千、百、円、力。。。

I could go on but you guys get it =P In general I know Kanji with few strokes, being here reminds
me how much I need to learn.

woops fucked up my quoting. Time for sleep.

>>7
The housewife is　米人. There was a Bostonian who frequented here
whose handle name is 米人.

She used to be here, and disappeared because 2ch banned her IP address.
Then she came back, then now she disappeared again maybe because 2ch banned her
access again.

ベイエリア人 and "firestar" come here sometimes, too. ベイエリア人's IP
is blocked at home but he sometimes access to 2ch from university.
イギリス人 is maybe lurking. He sometimes shows up when he has time.

>>8
You should add these 2 kanji to your list! 凸 凹

>>10
米人, I remember now. Confusing, with アメリカ人.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State the right of the people to keep andbear arms shall not be infringed．
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What are you thinK

>>13
What?

Why do American people ask them ' do you speak English?' even though they don't
speak proper English.
They should say 'American' not English.
So I would answer nope.

And this thread is for chatting in English, isn't it?
So don't chat in bloody American.

If you really, reaaally wanted the thread title true to most of what's happening here,
then it must be "Chat in Engrish" by definition, for all I know. Unfortunately, that's bloody true.

>>17
Maybe you're right, but there're some native English speakers, (or native
American speakers if you prefer it) so "chat in English" isn't far off
bull's eye.

>>18
Hello moron!

>>7
I'm "diplomat's spoiled son". There was another guy a while back who
also was, but haven't seen him around for a long time.

Now it's time to go to work, as usual. Got a staff review today. My
employers are religious fanatics who truly believe this planet is
6000 years old. The review will be conducted by some middle-aged guy
who usually works from home, and smells like moldy bread.

>>13
The Americans are all criminals and scum mostly. Look at the crime rate in America, there is more crime in America
than in any other part of the world. All you have to do to buy a gun is walk into a shop.
Anyone can buy a gun. It's dreadful! Outrageous!

>>19
Hi, faggot!

I've got a great idea. Just make sure you insert at least one "bloody" in each post
so you can prove you speak proper English, people. ok?

There are probably more native speakers here than you think. I don't
want to use a permanent nickname, and I'm sure others feel the same.

>>16
Americans speak English, get over it. Don't try to be pedantic when you
have no grasp of the language whatsoever.

>>24
Don't play the fool. Americans speak American English, a corrupted form of English.

Brits are insane.

Nah nah!! Balls!! Americans speak American, and they call it English, because they
don't know what is English in English!!

Brits are wicked!!

Brits stink like a bag of dead turtles.

Americans always imagine and think about the smell of brits.
And they are desperate to sniff the bag. America is full of perverts!

British guys mesmerise Asian girls all over the world because they are gentle, sexy and manly.
Asian girls are dying to date British guys from the bottom of their heart, and I'm proud of it. :)

>>31
Indeed!!

>>29
That's an unfair stereotype. It's not true in the least.

>>33
Oi! Its not even a fucking stereotype! Americans just have been thinking bollocks
all the time. Alright?

>>24
I'm sure he/she's just joking so be easy on him.

>There are probably more native speakers here than you think.
Is that because you see many posts here writtten by a native English speaker?
I for one can't distinguish which posts are that of a native English
speaker's. It's easy to tell if a post includes obvious grammatical
erros but I can't tell if a post is that of Japanese who's fluent in
English and includes few erros.

I think posting with a fixed handle name is sometimes hard because
a poster with HN have to be nice and polite and it's hard for them
to ignore a question to them. If you're anonymous, you can just ignore it.
Although as an English learner, I think it would be helpful to tell which post is
English speakers'.

Maybe some posters who used to use HN went back to anonymous and
still come here.

>>31
When did you change your nationality from Korea to British?

>>36
Haha! thats a well sad japanese joke! Did you think it would be funny? Dull!

>>35
I bet you are Japanese. It just shows even if you made no grammatical errors.
Same goes with me.

>>38
I am. You can tell from what I wrote in 35.
Besides, I make grammatical erros and I know my English is awkward
here and there.

>>20
Oh.... You are a spoiled son, you! I did not know it.
Hmm, fanatics who believe this planet is 6000 years old?
I know nothing about religion, so I have no idea who... or maybe it is an English phrase?

>>40
The only people who believe Earth is 6000 years old are crazy christians. They're a funny lot.
That's the least crazy of what they preach and believe.

If my memory serves me correctly, イギリス人 said he would have a sex change surgery
and get married a couple months ago, so technically he is "she" now and possibly
soon to be an internet addicted housewise. I assume this type of custom is
not uncommon in the UK, right?

>>39
I think you write very well. At least better than I do. So don't get me wrong.
BTW this is my first time writing in here in English.
I doubt that writing in here will help me improve my English.
Seems like a waste of time.

>>41
Ah... Them christians! It is a good thing we don't that nonsense here in Japan.
I have heard that some of their extreme lot teach Creationism as science in school.
But, there are people who are fed up with religious hate here,
so I should grow up and shut up now.

Vuk,
Indeed I agree with you.
Christianity should base on facts and truth.
I am a Christian and I believe all the facts that are real.

>>43
No offense taken. I just wrote what I think about my English.
Waste of time? Come ooon. Browsing 2ch in any thread is more or less a
waste of time. Here, at least you can practice writing English so I'd
say it's worth posting here. You can read natural English by native English
speakers, too. So keep staying here and let's have a fun.

>>23
So, can we be a English man if we say "bloody"?
Are there any other bloody words that can turn some bloody pathetic Japanese
man into a bloody awesome English man?

>>37
Hahaha, You are a guy who cracks wise.
Are you wearing pants?
Keep it up, because I'm watching you by warm eyes.

To avoid confusion with カナダ人　I'll use a カナダ都市 for a name

>>2
I've been making use of smart.fm lists for that whole "memorize, memorize, memorize" bit
I tried Heisig's book, which enlightened me to the way of radicals at least, though I didn't find his memorization methods particularly useful.

>>49
You used the handle name before him. I think I remember there was another
Canadian before him.

Japanese kids learn kanji by repetion of writing, writing and writing.
It's better than just looking at PC screen on smart.fm formerly known as
iknow IMO. Do the learning software teach you storke order?

So, is EdmontonJin the Canadian guy from before? Not a newcomer?

>>50
It does show the stroke order, though just looking at it on the
screen is no good IMO. Additionally, if you know the stroke order
rules then it's not hard (for me at least) to simply guess the correct
stroke order more often than not.
Writing the kanji however certainly helps for memorization,
especially if you are the type of person who learns by motor-association.
For example, when writing an A I don't think of how to write an A,
my hand just does all the work. Obviously with the magnitude of kanji
it would be hard to get that kind of muscle-memory, but it's easier to
remember that I need to write 言 and　舌　to make 話 than to remember
the whole thing.

>>51
I'm a newcomer, or at least I've never posted here before.

Ah cool

I'm glad I almost automatically learned kanji in school.
Learning hundreds of kanji from scratch sounds like pure madness.

>>52
You've got a point there and you know how learning by writing is effective.

You are another foreigner who came here by way of 4chan?
Edmonton has the largest shopping mall in the world, which I read somewhere.

I don't know much about the stroke order rules
despite the fact that I have never been out of Japan.

Some part of my brain stubbornly insists that
I must have learned them at some point in my life,
but that is as far as my memory goes.

The stroke order rules, therefore, is not something
one should always learn by heart, is it?

Or does this way of thinking just mean
that I'm an inadequate Japanese speaker?

Why don't you buy ロルちゃん's 漢練箱？

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_ommaQlRXM&feature=related

You don't have to go as far as him, making such an exquisite device, though. lol

correction
×is→○are
×is it→are they

Thas bloody brilliant aluminium innit mate. Innit?
Blimey! Mind the gap bugger!

>>56
You could say I came by way of 4chan, though I knew of this places existence
before I had ever been there since I had read a news article on this place
some time (AFAIK) before 4chan had ever been created.
We did have at one time the largest mall in the world, though currently
I believe it is the 2nd largest after the one in Dubai, or possibly even 3rd.

>>57
I had always assumed they were well known amongst kanji users,
nearly every English guide to kanji I've seen makes mention of them.
Perhaps they all mention it to make studying easier, or simply because
it was mentioned when the writer of the guide learned themselves. It
makes sense though that you would not need to know the hard rules since
you would naturally use them when learning the kanji. It's a bit like
native English speakers not being able to define the finer grammatical
points of the language despite being able to use them correctly.

>>58
That is a very extravagant device for what all it does...
Something like that would be nice since it would probably encourage
actually writing the kanji instead of software. With software one
is more apt to be lazy and 'imagine writing the kanji' instead of actually
picking up a pen and paper to do it.

>>47
Blooming, bleeding, bugger, cor (eto, ano), slag (trash), turnip (idiot), slapper (prostitute), well (as an adverb),
etc.

>>62
eto ano? As in Japanese eeeto... ano...?

>>47
It's more about your attitude, not just language. Be always polite. No matter how upset someone makes you.
Just like this mate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X6VoFBCE9k

Korean guys are amazingly popular all over the world now that the girls all over the world say
they are fascinated with Korean guys, who are hot, sexy, smart, and manly. I think the reason Korean guys are
popular now is because so many girls were interested in Korean Wave stuff that the rest couldn't ignore its existence
and once they knew they got suddenly mesmerised with Korean guys. That's one reasonable explanation we can think of.
Another is that Korean high-tech products have become known as the best in the world. You know, Korean products are really
competitive. The news says that Korean companies such as Samusung, Hyundai and LG, have the dominant power over the world market.
I guess that let girls all over the world intersted in Korean guys as well. They wanted to know what kind of people creat these
cool gudgets. And sure enough, those who creat such cool gudgets are really cool. The girls somehow got to know that.
As a result, the 2 reasons are enough to lead the girls's to think they want to marry a Korean guy one day.
I'm really proud of it. :)

>>64
Ah lol, what a coincidence! I saw that video only a few days ago.

Troll, troll, troll....

>>63
Yes
It's pronounced cooor

>>64
It's always important to be polite.

>>65
Ah fuck, I can't believe you've done this.

>>61
Is that right? They made the largest mall with oil money then.

I can't beleive they way you foreigners manage to get to this thread with
plural clicks. First you have to choose English board among many other boards in 2ch.
Even I was overwhelmed with the page where lots of borad names are written.
After sucessfuly choosing English board, you reach the page where lots of thread names
are listed. You don't even know if there's a thread title written
in English and thread where posts are written in English at the time.
Then you finally click this thread's title and you are here.
To think you guys aren't so fluent in Japanese, it's miracle you finally get
here. It's like you find a new star in space.

The general rule of thumb for Kanji stroke orders is, from top to bottom, and from left to right. That's all you need to know about them.
There's no written rules everyone has to follow as far as I know. Or maybe there are, I'm not really sure, but even if there are and you didn't stick to them,
no one would spot you writing in the wrong order and shout, "you're wrong!" At least after you get out of elementary school.

>>68
Where are you from?

The way you respond in another thread makes me feel you understand Japanese.

>>65
You must be a zombie to be so sticky.

>>72
I'm from England, and I lived in Japan for 5 years as a boy. One of my areas of study has been Japanese, among other languages. I'm not very good at all though.

What did he say before he got punched?
So I basically.... ?

>>75
So basically what I was thinking was um...

>>76
Aaah thanks!

>>74
That makes sense. Did you go to International school or local public school?
If you think it's too a personal question, just ignore it.
London university is famous for Japanese studys. Maybe you go to the uni.

Today is a strange day. Two foreigners throw away their anonymity.

Same ole same ole.
Don't think, feel. Then you'll be a Brit.

>>78
Right now I'm attending Oxford uni.
I don't think it's giving up anonymity as I, my name, etc., are all still unknown, and the information I gave is hardly enough to
identify me.

I don't understand the flow of >>75-77.
Where are they coming from? To me their post came out of nowhere.
I missed relavent posts?

>>80
Wow. What a prestigeous uni.

>>81
Ah fuck, I can't believe you've done this.

>>80

I'm with him for anonymity. The e-mail address I provide is only used on
two forums, I have a separate e-mail for real life.

I'm actually surprised no one has commented on my tripcode + e-mail.
has no one seen the relation? =P

>>81
See post 64.

>>83
I thought about asking about it, several times, but I somehow didn't do so.

>>80

I've been working on my British accent through watching BBC. Would you
give your professional opinion on it if I upload a file with my speaking
it?

If I speak with a British accent, am I speaking real English then?

>>83
Ayuki in email addy and YUKI in your trip code...
Are they from Anime character or something? I'm not anime person so
I have no clues.

Usually, trip code is decided mechanicall by its system, but yours
are Yuki, which is like a girl's name. Some 2chanellers know how to
make their desired trip code. It's amazing you know the trick.

>>86 >>87
I'll give my opinion if you like. There are many different accents, people have different
accents in every region (Yorkshire, Manchester, in London itself there are different accents).
The English of England was the first version of English spoken, and English originated in England.

>>70
oh, for a westerner, finding this board is easier than you seem to think.
When "ENGLISH" is basically the one singular word you can effortlessly read among
all those crazy moon runes in 2ch's menu, it really catches your attention.
And once I saw this board, I was sort of expecting threads like this one to exist,
so I just scanned the thread list for Latin letters.

>>87
You must say "coooor" every 5 seconds.

>>84
Now I understand the flow. I had skipped clicking the link so that's why
I was cluless.

"Ah fuck, I can't believe you've done this."
Is this a gentleman-like response? Does it take the understanding of the
nuance of "I can't believe you've done this" part? The reason why this
video is supposed to be funny is the puched man's wording?
This video isn't staged is it?

>>90
Hmmm. That makes sense, but
You could have expected that 2ch's menu is full of "those crazy moon runes"
but you were still curious about having a glance at 2ch?
You never expected there's English board in 2ch, did you.
When you find the word "ENGLISH" on the menu, you went like, "WOW! I got to try this board"?

>>92
It's a polite response as he doesn't get angry or flinch, he says it almost deprecatingly,
he says it without much interest, instead of hitting him back or something.

>>93
Thank you for the explanation. I think I understand more why this video
is funny.

Still, I don't think I undetstand fully why this video has gotten so much attentions
so many comments, so many response videos and people are all poking fun at him.
Seems like I can't feel something you westerners can see and feel.

>>94

His popularity was a mere chance accident, I saw this video nearly
a year ago when it first came out and it was not very popular. Over
time people have just shown it to more and more people, and his phrase
(Ah fuck, I can't believe you've done this) has become more popular then
the actual video.

>>88

Yes you're right, it is a girl's name. Specifically this girl:
http://i41.tinypic.com/jhvkmu.jpg
my e-mail if you separate it into English words says a/yuki/for/you
However please don't think I wish to act as her, (roleplay, in English)
I just like her character very much.

Also, I'm good with computers so yes I can get the desired tripcode.

>>94

I get how you feel. When I saw it, yea, it made me giggle for about 2 seconds,
but it wasn't funny after that.

anyone went to the foundation school for british university?
im gonna there in Sep.

>>95
Oh, thanks for explaining the context.
It sounds like a snowball effect.
Internet is a powerful tool for word of mouth thing.

>>96
Some comments there say they watch the video again and again and
every time they watch it, it made them laugh. Some people seems not to
stop laughing at him.

If you upload your British English, I hope you'll keep it available for
hours so that I won't miss it, if you don't mind. I don't blame you if
you delete it right away, though.

>>95
Hi. I'm a passerby who just stumbled on this thread and found a cute pic of mai waifu.
Thanks. I saved it at the speed of light. If you're a person like me, you might be interested in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeeLkYJLUbQ

But be warned: The cute V-sign at the end of the vid may take you to the dark side.
There's no way out of here. I can tell from my own experience.

As for kanji learning, I recommend this site: http://kanji.koohii.com/

Ugh! Somehow I posted >>99 before finishing it. Well, I already said 90% of what I wanted to anyway. So, happy learning, カナダ人 ◆YUKI4lVki2.

>>95
>Also, I'm good with computers so yes I can get the desired tripcode.
So, did you figure out the algorithm on your own? Or did you use a
tool made by someone else?

Nevermind, I tried recording myself. My impression while trying to record
is just awful. Listening to your own voice when your not talking is quite
a bit different from listening to yourself while your talking.

It's strange though, I've convinced a lot of people that I am from England.

>>102
Last time I was in the US, I was repeatedly asked questions such as
"Do you have McDonald's in England?" and "Do you have... THE INTERNET...
in England?".

>>99

Very nice video, I saved it. I do like that sort of thing =P I'm
already on the dark side.

>>101

I did not write the algorithm but a tool was not available for Mac OS X
so I had to use the algorithm and write my own code that implemented it.
I found the algorithm using a lot of research and a bit of source code.

To write the actual program I used Perl, but this was a year ago. I'm learning more
and I might want to try a similar thing in C/C++. Perl is getting out dated for many things.

I should mention that I work as a website/server programmer part-time so this helps me,
but otherwise I'm a student going to school for computer science.

What do you mean by 'the dark side'? That's a DUDE in a school uniform!

>>105

I'm not sure I see where you're going lol. Could you explain a bit more?

http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1218442480/l50

I've just posted two questions in the thread.
Would you answer it? Thank you.

I have a question. On this board and any other board, I write in English
just about the same as I would say it in real life.

Is it the same with Japanese in that people write the same way they would
say it in real life?

>>108
I think this question comes from the lack of my understanding of your post,
but..

Are you asking if Japanese people have sort of like two personalities, one for real life
and the other for real life? For example, when Japanese people are anonymous on the Internet, they tend to get abusive, but
they tend to be nice and polite in real life, ?

Or are you asking whether Japanese language used for writing on the Internet and Japanese
writing (and speaking) style in real life are slightly different from sort of linguistic point of view?

>>108
Yes, I do. I mean most of the time, except when people have a serious disscusion
(I'd be more polite and so I tend to use more kanji and idioms than I usually do).
And I don't use 2ch jargons. There are many people using them in 2ch, though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t8m7CkpIK0

Did you watch her sing? I watched her singing on TV first. It's viewed
by many on youtube. She sure sings well but I don't like the way she was
featured. They introduced her as if she had come out of nowhere but to think
she sings so well, at least she must have been the talk of town/village.

I have a serious question.

Susan Boyle said on the stage she has never kissed before.
She's so honest but did she have to mention the fact in public?
I watched several CNN videos and some of the anchor touched on the
fact. Now tens of millions of people know she's vergin.

If I were her, I'd be so ashamed of not having kissed in life and of letting
everybody know the fact.
I would even bend the fact, saying I have had go out with a few girlfriends.
How would you answer if you never kissed before. Would you let the fact open
to public or tell a lie?

>>104
Um, it might be darker than you expect. Traps, transsexual, etc.
Well, I realized the bassist is a he when I had a nice fapping session. So...

>>108
Are you reffering to speach levels and langauge registers?
If so, it depends on the board and thread you're reading.
90% of written texts on 2ch/blog/whatnot on the internet are pretty much the same as what you hear on the street.
Unless you're visiting VIP or other extreme boards, most likely people are speaking
the same way as they do in a usual informal conversation.
It's like a normal speech with a grain of internet slang thrown in for good measure.
But I think using 2ch slang IRL is like spouting 4chan memes right in front of your grandma.
It's that awkward.

So the answer is yes and no as always.

If you want to know more about the difference between written and speaking Japanese, it's a little complicated.
Traditionally the Japanese language has distinct grammar and vocabulary for written language,
but they're gradually disappearing and I think it's kind of obsolete to write that way.
You may still come across them in formal documents such as Government statements.
But I doubt fuckers in this thread could write anything in formal written language.

Could anyone tell me the story of this video?
Who made it? It's pretty funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxCYJdJgGVI

もううええわ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwWGxX-eXWo&feature=related
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みこみこみこみこみこ
ばん

>>109
Apparently, some buggers create a bunch of personas to act upon on 2ch or the likes, but that's another story, I guess.

Let's take a listen to the spurb collaboration of genus Rapper Ikuzo Yoshi and Spice Girls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDfCCvuHN3A&feature=related

Greetings, All,
'Tis my first time here,
Haiku much?

>>119
gtfo

>>120
Judging from what you wrote in >>113, you seem like a Japanese but
your English is that of a native English speaker's.

Are you the guy who uses Mac and was filling newbies in on useful
software that provides user-friendly 2ch and 4chan experiences?

>>121
I don't know what you're talking about. I'm >>99,100,113,120 and that's it.
My English? What makes you think it's any better than yours?

>>122
So you really just passed by.
Several threads back, there was a grad student who's researching computer
science or something. His English was good enough for native English speakers
to mistaken his mother tongue is English.

He frequents 4chan and often used cuss words like you did in >>120.
So I thought you're him. I think your English is very natural while mine is with awkward
words and expressions here and there.

>>119
Hey.

>>116
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What is that?

>>125
lozenge

>>123
Thanks for introducing your old friend to me.
If he speaks English better than your average Japanese and kind of a nerd, chances are he knows 4chan too.
And if he's a hardcore anonymous, it's not surprising he uses foul language.
If anything, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a profanity professional.

>>126
*gets enlightened*

>>109
>>110
>>113

thank you thank you!

yes 4chan memes are terrible and should never be said, but a lot of them
are used so much now that I think the average poster just uses them without
even thinking.

>>112
I googled her name and saw her face.
now I understood the circumstance. lol

>>127
Have you studied abroad?

>>129
I'm not good at reading between the lines in Englishso let me ask you something.
In >>102, you implyed you won't try record and upload your English with British
accent anymore? That happens when you hear your own recorded voice.
That's not just you.

>>121
Are you talking as an English native speaker?
Isn't his repetitive use of "and whatnot" peculiar?
I've thought person who use "whatnot" often is
the one and Japanese.
Is "whatnot" the matter of personal preference?
Did I just mistakenly link his distinctive speech
pattern with his being Japanese?

Only native speaker could judge who is native speaker level or not.
>>123 admits he is not better than >>113, still evaluates >>113's
English.
It's an contradiction.

I don't mean to pick up a fight or anything.
I am just impressed.

As for my self, I guess I will not be native speaker level
while I am alive.

>>132
Just searched "whatnot" in the previous thread and found no results in the 999 posts.
I think if >>113 actually has native or near-native fluency, he'd have said ".../whatever" instead.
Anyway, it sure doesn't seem "whatnot" is an oft-used word among the Japanese.
Maybe native speakers in this thread can recognize some of us by our writing styles.

Can you recognize me, native speakers?

>>134
You are the German guy.

>>132
I'm Japanese. I don't think he overused "whatnot" at all.
I don't understand what you're talking about.

"and whatnot" "and all" "and such" can be used interchagably, if I'm not wrong.
Use whichever you want. And I don't think using "whatnot" is piculiar to Japanese.

What's whatnot?
I've never heard of this?

>>135
Nope. I'm Japanese. And I often mix up present tense and past-tense (or hypothetical tense??) when I say "If X were/did Y, then Z would be/do..."

Had a native speaker heard [ this said ]?

>>137
Shut up and look it up in your dictionary.

>Just searched "whatnot"

You can't search a word. You can only search for a word/words.

>>137
>I've never heard of this?

It's one of the most frequent words. I've heard it a gazilaon times.

>>141
Ah, you're right. I have to learn English a lot harder!

>>142
Argh, My spell checker mess me up.

I just happen to have thread 119 and there was too hits of
"whatnot".

As long as I recognize, "what not" man likes japanese anime
in English-dubbed or subbed version. Yes, he might love to
visit English boards like 4chan? too.
I know "whatnot" is native speaker like usage and we japanese
don't use it often.
I assumed he learned "whatnot" from native English and come
to use it frequently.

My theory is just an hyphothesis and a couple of Japanese might have used
what not.
What not man in thread 119 says he was a math major and had
phd in computer science.

But I haven't heard [ it said ] even once?
Have you heard [ it said ] thousands of times?

>>146
Have you ever talked with native English speakers?
Have you ever watched TV or movie in English?
Have you ever read English blog posts or forums?

>>146
If you google "and whatnot" (with quotes), you'll find more than 2 million hits.
And "frequent words" will give you only 110,000 hits.
I can't believe you've never heard it.

Correction. Two hits of whatnot.

>>136
I know. Rather whatnot is not familiar to Japanese English learners.
So what not man stood out.
I have been covering this threads 80% or more for the past two years or so.
I didn't notice whatnot before "he" came here. Whatnot drew attentions
recently, half a year or so.

I just thoght (over)using native speaker like usages
were another symptom of japanese (advanced) English users.

Bleeding turnips and their jibba jabba ding dong faggotry.

Oh... You touch my tralala...
Deep in da night, I'm looking for some fun

>>149
I noticed when someone says a useful but not-Japanese-school-English word or phrase multiple times, others pick it up and start using it.
It's like advanced students "imports" natural expressions to this thread.

>>147
I have talked with native English speakers over tens of thousands of times.
I have watched TV or movies in English over hundreds of hundreds of times.
I have read English blog posts or forums under two hundred times.

lmfao you guys are hilarious sometimes, why does it matter if he said "whatnot"?
I don't think one word is an indication of a native speaker, I'm a native speaker
and I could mix up my words to make it sound like I wasn't, or even though I'm a
Canadian I could type with styles that are distinctly British. The point here is
that the language is too broad to pin down one word and say "this one is an indication
you are native"

I'm not sure if I'm explaining it correctly, but I have an example - in Canada "native"
refers to Native Americans (Indians, guys who throw spears, etc.) so this word is almost
never used beyond a classroom. It's interesting to see such use here.
That being said, it isn't wrong. You guys are using it correctly - we just never use it in Canada =P

>>104

It's not darker then I realize, I'm already down this path probably a bit further then you might expect.

search a dictionary for a word. Is it correct?

When I want to meet my missing brother, which would be correct?
Search for missing brother or Search missing brother.
Is only first one correct?
What would second sentence mean?

"Whatnot" is just an informal phrase that native English speakers utter quite often. What's the big deal?
Personally, I tend to avoid using it so I won't make a habit of mixing it into my formal writings.
Also, spotting someone on an anonymous board is pretty meaningless, unless some jerk or moron
is trying to wreck the thread. Just go with it.

>>154
>It's not darker then I realize, I'm already down this path probably a bit further then you might expect.

lol I think I love you.

As for nativeness, it's really funny to see posters in here say something like that.
I bet I'll be labeled as "more native" if I say "for what it's worth" and abbreviate it to FWIW.

Canadian,
Do you often hear [ English speaking Japanese say native [ when they really means native speakers] ]?
And [ if you do ], how do you feel [ to hear it ]?

Is nagashima jien otsu from dark side too?

I don't like his cosplay.
Because he is ugly! I don't wanna see his face.

It's O.K when cosplay is for his own fun.
But his ugly face is not something to be on TV screen.
He is doing publicy stunt by showing his queerness.

Ugly face is inborn. Its not his mistake.
Ugly face with blouse and skirt is disgusting.

>>153
I doubt that. You say you've had tons of conversations, watched lots of movies,
read massive amount of English texts, and still come out sounding like babelfish?
No one can possibly be that slow.

Am I babish?
Does that mean I'm cute?
Am I cute?
Maybe I am.
But I'm 59 years old......

>>161
He lacks standard English ability and he soon forgets what he has done.
That's why.

Babe fish? new word to me. I can imagine though.
And babe fish is an English teacher, best English teacher by his own words.
He says he discovered new English sentence pattern on his own.
He is sure that he will be offered a positon of lecturer on NHK English program.

Woop. babel fish is a machine translator..

>>155
The second one would mean he was strip-searched or something.

The police spent the whole day searching for the missing child, not because his parents asked but because they thought
he stole the key. Finally they got him and searched him for the key.

>>165
Thank you very much.

I thought you meant babish....

Wow the thread just exploded this morning.

>>131
You're right on the money. Good job.

As for the whatnot guy, he talks just like a native speaker. He could easily
pass as one on an English speaking board. He misspelled a couple of words,
but just about everyone misspells words from time to time so it isn't a big
deal. "Whatnot" is a slang word. It pretty much means the same thing as "et
cetera".

I don't think I can discriminate posters by how skilled they are at speaking
English; but I just know there are some people here who speak it damn near
perfectly, there are some who make a lot of mistakes (but I pretty much get what
they're saying), and there are some who are barely intelligible. This thread
is probably for advanced English speakers so I usually see more of the first.
Keep it up.

Yeah, some of you have a way better command of English than me.
The guy who puts mysterious brackets in his posts is quite unintelligible,
or maybe my brain just refuse to understand him. But most of others speak English really well.

ウヒャヒャヒャヒャ

>>169

Yes it is quite confusing.

>>157

I have NEVER heard someone abbreviate to "FWIW"

>>171
>I have NEVER heard someone abbreviate to "FWIW"

I meant "if I write." Or do you mean you've never seen fwiw?

>>154
> we just never use it in Canada =P

From your standpoint as a learner of Japanese language, what word do you
use to describe us whose mother tongue is Japanese?

Don't you refer to us as a "native Japanese speaker"?
OR You just meant the word "native" alone don't usually mean "native
Japanes speaker"? (from your standpoint of a learner of Japanese)

>>171
I needed to google when I see "AFAIK"
It's more common than FWIW, you'd say?

Loooooong time ago, even before Tennessean came to this thread,
we talked about if you foreigners take off your shoes at home.
We Japanese people, at least me, thought you wear shoes at home.
Because that's one of the typical things we learn about differences in
your culture and ours.

But to my surprise, quite many American said they don't wear shoes
at home. What about you? Is it common in America/Canada/Germany/UK or whatever
country (except Japan) you live to take off your shoes and change to
slippers or anything for hygene purpose?

>>174
AFAIK, it seems more frequent than "FWIW," but either of them is pretty rampant, if you ask me.
IMHO, it's just another abbreviation. At the end of the day, if it's shortened, that means people are abusing it.
It's not that difficult to figure it out, isn't it? It's not rocket science.
Just observe the way others speak and absorb it. You'll intuitively know what expressions are more common.

Just my 2 cents.


Took five minutes for me aka a retarded anon to write this crap, lol.

>>173

To be quite honest, we would just say "A Japanese person" if they came from/speak Japanese
we would just call them "Japanese". We refer to people by nationality I guess, but we
don't say "native" a German speaking person is just "German" not "A native of Germany". I'm not
sure if this is confusing for you, but we never get confused by it.

>>174

Both are uncommon but I have seen AFAIK more.

>>172

I mean I have never seen it.

>>175

I have heard this rumor before lol. I can only speak for Canada, but 99% of people do not wear
shoes in the home. I would not allow this in my house, I think it's disgusting. You would get
dirt everywhere! Even if I come into someones house and they say I can leave my shoes on I do not
want to do this, it feels more natural walking inside in my socks. Except of course in schools and
such, in those places it is okay to wear shoes.

I have a question for Japanese people though, is it a serious offense to refer to someone without
-さん？ Unless you know them well of course. Take this example, you walk down the hall and you see
a girl you know. If you call her name without -さん　is this serious? Can you apologize quickly for it?

>>111
I saw this a couple weeks ago, on television. She seems pretty eccentric
and forthright, and it was sort of unexpected that she would do quite well,
judging by her appearance. I wouldn't say she was West-End quality though.
She's from a small village, but just outside a major Scottish city... and
she's pretty much all we've been hearing about for the last two weeks.

>>151
We play this song at work sometimes. Changed a colleague's Windows startup
sound to "Oooh, you touch my tra la la", the error sound to "My ding ding dong",
and the shut down sound to "Tutti frutti summer love".

>>175
Most of us don't wear shoes inside, here. It wears the shoes and carpet out,
brings in dirt, and doesn't let the feet breathe. We generally either wear
slippers or just socks. Bare feet when it's warm enough.

>>177
>Both are uncommon
>I mean I have never seen it.

Don't you text or surf internet forums? I think they're as common as "eh?", which I immediately associate with Canadians.

And you never call a Japanese without -san unless s/he is your friend. Ever.
If they're your friends, still you shouldn't when they're older than you.
It's as rude as calling someone an asshole.

>>179

Okay, thanks for answering the question. =)

And yes I do text and surf internet forums, but I never thought it was
a common abbreviation. More common is IMO, IMHO, omg, lol, lmao, those
sorts of things. Also, I do not think it is as common as "eh"

you guys don't realize but saying "eh" is exactly like "ね" for us.

>>180
Hrm, I always thought "eh" was a regional thing, but I could be totally wrong.

>>175
I don't know anyone who wears his shoes at home.
Everyone takes them off at the front door. The only exception is this one
family I'm acquainted with that lives in a three-story house, which has a corridor leading
from the front door to a garden in the back. They leave their shoes on in that corridor,
but would never walk upstairs to the living rooms while still wearing them.

But I've heard somewhere that in Japan, students are required to take off the shoes
they wear on the street in exchange for a less dirty pair when they enter the school building. (is that true, by the way?)
We don't do that here, at least not in public schools. Although, in elementary school and
kindergarten, the classroom will often have a carpet and everything. When that's the case,
the kids have to wear socks or slippers.

>>182
Yes, that's in almost all casese true. I've heard at some private
high schools, student keep shoes on though.

http://www.tjf.or.jp/shogakusei/kentaro/school/s02_j.html
http://www.direct-site.com/php/blognplus/files/09230008.jpg
http://bp1.blogger.com/_jwwHM-BgsRM/Rh0ELgVMXsI/AAAAAAAAACU/AL23bGC8jjc/s1600-h/DSC00265.jpg

I'm neither anime nor game person but I googled and found these images.
Maybe you have watched them in anime or game.

http://www.geocities.co.jp/SiliconValley/9604/cafeaamix4/middle_1127956176.jpg
http://www.4gamer.net/weekly/tokimeki_ol/001/img/05.jpg
http://blog-imgs-40.fc2.com/j/o/j/jojogiogiojojo/20081103193308.jpg

In the last image, you see each space for one's shoes has a door.
You oepn and close when you take out and take in your shoes.
If someone is your secret admirer, she/he might put a letter.
I've never experienced it though.

>>182
That's right.
When I was in elementary school, junior high school and high school,
I took off shoes I wore on the street and I wore slippers.

>It's as rude as calling someone an asshole.

No, this is not true. Probably, he doesn't really know what "asshole" sounds like.
It is rude but not that offensive. Still, it'd be better to address people with さん just to be on the safe side, though.

>>183
tokimemo wwwww

>>180
Wait, he is wrong as unko.

"You see a girl you know" - A girl you know? Who exactly is she? It depends on it.

>>185
Just to be on the safe side, huh?
Do you really think it could be ok to call an older person without -san?
Get real, buddy.

>>177
I see. Thank you. I think I grasped how you don't use "native."

>>188
Hmm, have you ever called an asshole in real life? Do you really know the tension the word carries?
Do you really think it's equivalent to calling someone without さん？You know it's a stretch to say that.
Besides, I agreed it's rude and only suggested addressing "people" with さん to be on the safe side anyway.

Oops, have ever *been* called
Anyway, no offense intended.

I don't care if someone wears shoes in the house unless he is going to
visibly track mud or dirt on the floor.

The house is cleaned regularly so I don't really give a shit about it getting
a little dirty.

I think the problem is a little different when it comes to "native English speakers."

The Japanese speak Japanese, and native Japanese speakers who are not Japanese are virtually nonexistent.
The same goes for German, Finnish, and so forth.
But Americans speak English. Canadians speak English. Britons speak English.
Australians, South Africans, etc all do so.
Yay! Can I call you English, Canadian guys? Or should I say you speak Canadian?
May I have to call your friends from Quebec French?

>>190
I call a douche an asshole when he's so. Why?

All right, then, pick a random Japanese who's older than you and call him by his first name or family name only.

Can you? CAN YOU?

>>194
No, because I think it's rude, as I said twice already.
Please don't get butthurt just because you don't know what you are talking about.

Is not saying -san like crushing someone's business card?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCKjctTWIsw&feature=related

She looks like he just murdered her whole family and her dog.

>>195
You just don't get it, do you?
Can you read "Just to be on the safe side, huh?"

Using honorifics just to be on the safe side?
I don't think it's respectful. I'm afraid you're the kind of person who doesn't show respect to elders.

Mind you. It's really really disrespectful in Japan.
You may not know, but you can get laid off for calling others without -san in this country.

Ahh zoomjap!

>>177
That's almost 100%. That high! I wonder since when we have had the wrong idea
you keep shoes on at home.

>>178
Thank you again イギリス人. I think you were here when I ask the question
first time. Maybe at that time, you were a student.

>>182
In Geramny, too! It's a complete wrong information on our side then.

>>192
What if in rainy day. Floor would be full of dirty footprints and
stains would be hard to remove.

Usually as we see American movies ,we don't see people take off their shoes as they get in the houses. Why?
Is this because the houses in the movies aren't actually someone's?
Can Americans answer me?

When I was living in US, some of Americans didn't even ask if they should take off their shoos when they came in my room.
They just came in. And when I enter my friend's room with my shoos on, I felt really awkward.
I could never get used to it...

Gah, my spell checker lied me again!!!! "Shoes," Firefox. It's "shoes"!
When do you learn to read the context, Firefox?

If you wear shoes all day long, you are likely to get moss on your feet, the kind of moss which Japanese call mizumushi and native English speakers call athlete's feet.
And this may be the first concern as it come to the view of taking off one's shoes.
What do you think, anyone?

http://www.kealakapawa.org/message.html

Have you read this story?
There seems to be a few versions of it with slight changes done.
Would you tell me what you know about this? Is this a real story?
I have to admit tears were swelled in my eye while reading.

>>203
The difference in humidity, etc.

A lot of Japanese describe themselves as "native Japanese" on forums like Yahoo! when explaining about Japanese language or culture, as if to authorize themselves. I myself have never described myself as ‘native Japanese.’
I assume by ‘native’ they mean their first language is Japanese. But does it really make sense, and does it really mean what they want it to mean?

>>204
I don't know if it's real, but I thought you had contemplated suicide like him.

>>206
They just suck at English. Ignore the little thing and move on.

Sorry for causing a bit of a stir with the -さん thing, I would always use it to show respect
but I was curious if the case was more if you forgot (tired in the morning, etc.) but I suppose this
sort of thing is not forgotten easily.

>>206

I think they mean they have Japanese Citizenship and were born and raised in Japan. This does make
sense in English.

>>200

How often do you see people go to the bathroom in movies? Do people never go to the bathroom?
This is not a realistic question.

>>209
Oh, hi, Canadian. I just ran across a couple vids about Canada on youtube.
What do you think of Americans like these motherfuckers?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVKlFT58Zwc

At least this guy doesn't seem to be very happy about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01SsYnt3GC4

Loooooong time ago, even before Tennessean came to this thread

I was among one involved in that discussion.
I was surprised too.

Native English speakers are those whose mother tongue is English.
Native Japanese speakers are those whose mother tongue is Japanese.

Because that's one of the typical things we learn about differences in
your culture and ours.

The same works for japanese tradition. We learn taking off
shoes at the hallway? is typical japanese tradition.
One australian got pissed off over that preconception of
uniquness by Japanese.

Many Japanese call native English speakers natives.
When you hear this, don't you native speakes feel that you are being called the kind of people who originally inhabited the area, like American Indians or Aboriginis?

>>209
No. We don't forget -さん even when we get exhausted.
Let's say, you are Japanese, didn't have enough sleep last night, and met your boss in the morning.
You're really sleepy and say, "Good morning, Takanka." without -さん.
Yes. You'll be in serious trouble. Or maybe not, because he may not be able to believe what just happened.

You may get away with it because everyone knows you've grown up in a foreign country.
But I never recommend to use honorifics just to be on the safe side, at least in this country.

Something seems to be dintinctively different.
We wear shoes even in schools.
We change into slippers or indoor shoes (both are designated
by school) after the entrance.

It's common way of abusing to hide other's slippers from the shoe locker.
lol

>>209

Thanks for enlightening me. By the way, I was wondering, would you describe yourself as a native Canadian?

I think native strictly means original inhabitants.
In broader sense I guess native (English) speakers include everyone
who was brought up in English speaking countries and can use English
as first language.
So when it comes to native Japanese speakers, I guess they
include people with foreign citizenships who were brought up
in Japan and whose first language is Japanese.

How do you think? Am I wrong?

I guess kazuo ishiguro was a native (English speaker) before
getting naturalized in Britain.

You've already explained about it on >>213. I should have read previous posts before posting. Thanks again.

So if people all over the world describe themselves as just German, Indonesian, Canadian, you name it, why wouldn't Japanese?

Sorry it wasn't 213. It was >>177

>>210

I could only watch the first minute of this video, this guy seems very arrogant.
Fox news is known for radical views though, and a lot of people don't take them
as a serious news station. This man is ignoring the fact that Canada doesn't have
to help the U.S with their wars at all, we just do because we're nice.

>>215

Okay thank you for the example, I would never plan on doing this but I was curious
about what happens.

>>217

This is an interesting question for me, because I live in Canada but my town is
about 20 minutes in a car from the U.S border. Also, another issue is that "natives"
here are Native Americans, or Aboriginals. So even saying something like "native Canadian"
would sound strange to many Canadians. I am a native Canadian, but obviously not by choice.
I've never been very nationalistic and I don't understand that type of thinking.

If I need to explain anything more please tell me, you guys have great English but I like
to make sure everyone is understanding.

Now I'm going to bed. おやすみなさい、みな。

You'd never hear people say "I'm a native Canadian" or "native American"
unless they specifically mean an aboriginal.

The only context where you'd say it would be "I'm a native speaker of x language",
which is actually a pretty common saying.

By the way, I have a question. Sometimes I see "凸持ち" as a tag on nicolive,
what does it mean?

I have a good bit of Native American blood in me so I have
dark hair, eyes, and skin. I think I already said this before, but
a lot of people think I'm Asian or something because of that. I don't have
the slanty eyes, though.

Do you look like Heinrich Himmler?
He was asiastic.
http://www.scrapbookpages.com/DachauScrapBook/HimmlerPhotos/PuppiHimmler.jpg
Don't worry. You can have a pretty daughter like her.
She adored her father and called Herinrich Himmler "best father".
She never changed her opinion.

>>222
Do you mean "凸待ち"？ Not 持ち but 待ち.
凸待ち means that it waits for charging with skype.

>>225
That was it, thanks. I couldn't even remember it well haha.

>>207
I had and I am. Aside from that, It's a good story.

>>223
Wut? You said you look somewhat scary before. Asians ain't no scary, we are cute! You are so disrespectful!
I'm not gonna forgive you for this one!

fuck you 2ch?

>>229
Lucky on the first try. Sup yall?
I didn't have a chance to welcome our new Canadian before, so welcome!
I'm committed to USC now, just sent in my deposit. I've already made some contacts through
facebook so it looks like I'll have a good time.
This is a picture I took when I visited the campus: http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs010.snc1/2883_1102823448251_1156650405_30545579_640449_n.jpg
Really beautiful there, I can't wait to get out of this shitty Chicago weather.

I think I've caught senioritis though...

>>230
That's a nice salute.
I thought you took a hiatus from 2ch. So when are you moving to CA?

>>230
Hey. You managed to come back. Did you found a new way of accessing to here?
New proxy? American university's campus is really huge.
One complain is Zack isn't in the photo. Don't say he's riding the bike.
Are you gonna live in a dorm? You got to be careful. Don't let your dorm friends
notice your fetish.

>>178
Bananas MELONAS yeaaaah...
Sounds like a great place to work at.

I'm a hamster.

I lied.

Hyundai cars are selling big in America.
Samsung smartphones are horribly popular in America.
LG flat TVs set the sales record in America.
And all those high-tech products are made in Korea.
American people appreciate now how nice Korean products are.
They can't live a single day without them.
American girls didn't stop there. They started searching for information relating to Korean guys.
After that, they finally noticed how sexy, hot, and manly Korean guys were in addition to the fact
Korean guys were so smart that they created many stuffs American girls themselves can't do without.
I'm so proud of it. :)

Hyundai (lol)
Samsung (lolol)
LG (lololol)

I really like Koreans. They are so beautiful and intelligent.
There was a scientific study that showed that the average Korean IQ is 4 points above that of Japan,
and they have the best technology and internet in the world.

>>238
That's exactly right. Korea is thought to be one of the best IT countries.
I think that appeals to many girls.
Korean guys are beautiful? Oh, that's how you discribe Korean guys. :)
Ok. I thought it was a bit weard to say guys are beautiful, but now you say it,
yeah, Korean guys are beautiful!! Thank you!!!
That must be another reason why Korean guys are popular among girls all over the world.
That explains a lot! :)

It seems korean has a lot jokers lol

>>238
>the average Korean IQ is 4 points above that of Japan
Come to think of it, it's quite natural Korean guys are smarter than Japanese.
According to the results of the exams conducted worldwidely, Korea is top ranked.
Those tests explicitely shows how very smart Korean guys are.
I think girls like well-educated guys. This is also a reason why girls all over the world
love Koren guys. :)

Then of course there are also the brilliant Vietnamese. They are so advanced it is unbelievable.
The Vietnamese beat the Japanese in WWII, everyone knows that.
It is recorded in the book, "A Brief History of the Edo Period in Feudal Japan - Takahashi Sato."
No wonder every Japanese girl wants to marry a Vietnamese.

As an American girl, I love Korean guys from the bottom of my heart.
Yeah, Korean high tech products are selling quite well in America.
And it's true almost all American girls are mesmerised with Korean guys.
I didn't know where they were, but now that we can use the Internet, we can easily watch Korean guys.
I'm really happy to watch them. :)

Ask American girls about Korean guys, and you'll get to know how very popular they are among American girls!
American girls are yours, K-boys.

What a pathetic idiot you are!

>>245
You are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUKwH81csts

I seriously can't get over how good the k-on ending theme is. The song's
guitar chord rhythm and order sounds like a Rammstein song at moments and
so do a lot of the other ambient sounds in the chorus. I haven't seen the
show at all, but I've watched this video about 50 times now.

sorry I meant to say ambiance.

here is a rammstein song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfHlA3fmJG0

Canadian guys are more popular than Korean guys in reality, as they are far sexier, smarter and manlier,
and as sweet as maple syrup. Compared to Canadian guys, Korean guys are just like side dishes on the
table that no one really cares for. All types of girls are getting attracted to Canadian girls around the world.
Korean guys have to face it. :)

>>249
Bad news to you, but my Canadian female friends all say they prefer Korean guys.
Probably many, many, many Canadian girls are also interested in K boys like American girls are.
Sorry about that, Canadian guys. Korean guys don't think of stealing Canadian girls so please relax.
It's just that Canadian girls love Korean guys, but their hope won't be answered. Sorry about that, Canadian girls.
Please don't be jealous of American girls for stealing Korean guys hearts.

Japanese guys have to face the reality. The fact of the matter is that the newest fashion for Japanese girls
are fat lazy Americans. They have much more money and live in greater luxury than is possible in Japan.
As a Japanese girl I just have to say that I love fat Americans.
I can't wait to marry a fat American. :)

>>251
Jap girls are also interested in Korean guys, not fat Americans.
Korean guys are so popular all over the world. Of that I'm sure.

As this thread shows it clearly, Canadian guys enjoy their popularity most just like they do in the world.
However, Korean guys get almost no replies in this thread, just as they don't around the world.
Korean guys don't have to feel sorry for themselves, but please check reality and give proper respect to Canadians. :)

>>247
Pureez don say you wah lay-jee! Dhat-teh hontoh wah cray-jee!

I fell in love with Mio when she did 0_o,, o_0,, at 1:00.

I want to kill myself.

>>255
Go for it.

>>255
Do it, faggot

>>255
You better read >>204. You just got new friends in here who can change your life.
I'm not sure if it's for better or for worse, though.

I'm in my fourth year of kyutei university.
In Japan job hunting is too hard and students who faild job hunting cannot get a job forever.
When I was in high school, I studied very hard and passed the one of the most difficult entrance examination.
But now all I did is in vain. I want to die.

>>255

I have no words to comfort you, I apologize. Good luck.

>>254

I think I'm the only one who likes Ritsu the most.

>>253

Thanks? >_> I think it varies, for some girls in Canada a Japanese person
is like a legend. Generally though, these girls are annoying.

>>260
I had friend from Canada, his name is...
I forgot his name but he was nice guy.
I'm going to bed.
good night

Japanese guys always attract the entire female population of Canada, since they've become a lengend as a sex symbol there.
However, a lot of Canadian guys are so jealous of J-guys that they turn around and start condemning Canadian girls
for choosing J-guys over them. Canadian guys need to take a close look at themselves in the mirror,
and wake up and see the truth of who the pathetic ones really are. :)

>>247

I'm trying to think of the style of clothes they used in that music video.
It seems to be avant garde and reminds me of the clothes in this video which
used to be popular among American teenage girls.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kkbTNmg40c
I feel like that style is so familiar, I've seen it many times before,
but I can't remember where I've seen it before. Maybe it is from Moulin
Rouge:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRhW_vBDlTM&feature=PlayList&p=B0CFF11FC1146DEC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

Ahhh yea it's probably avant garde clothes that people wore to raves and
clubs in the 80s.

I remember how in school we used to have an "80s Day" where people would
dress up in clothes from the 80s. I remember that a lot of girls dressed up
similar to how they do in that k-on video.

>>260
Are you watching K-ON? O.K., you can take Ristu. I'll take Mio and Yuki, and have a delicious ménage à trois.

Japanese learners, do you pronounce ha hi fu he ho as ha hi fu he ho?
I think ha hi hu he ho is actually ha hyi hwu he ho whe Japanese people pronounce them.
What do you think?

>>259
kyutei?
According to ur English skill, are u student of Touhoku or Kyusyuu? lolol

>>267
l2IPA, retard. Also, google "allophone" and you'll be enlightened.

That said, I'm a super kind guy so I teach you a little more.
There're actually three types of consonant in the Japanese h-series (ha, hi, fu, he, ho),
and none of them is identical to the "h" or "f" sound of General American.

Are you with me so far?

I do.
And I'll google.

Hi, what's up guys?

>>263
You might also be thinking of Clockwork Orange or Charly & The Chocolate Factory

(1) *Those of us [ *who are over fifty years old ] should get [ *their
blood pressure checked regularly ].

(2) Those of *us [ **who are over fifty years old ] should get [ *our
blood pressure checked regularly ].

Native English speakers, which way do you say it, (1) or (2)?

(1) for sure. It sounds more like "THOSE ovus" ("of us" has no emphasis
at all basically).

so their blood pressure or our blood pressure?

Those who are over age 50 are recommended to regularly have their blood pressure checked.

You should regularly check your blood pressure if you're over 50.

Over 50? Check your blood pressure once in a while!

Always check your blood pressure if you don't wanna die. You're already 50+.

Hey, what does Clockworked Orange has to do with Chocolate Factory?
Can you tell me what they have in common?
Was Chocolate directed by Stanrey Rubic cube?

Forgot to mention that I'm no expert. I'm >>276 and Japanese.
Maybe the nice Canadian guy or other gentlemen from English speaking countries are
kind enough to let us know what the average native English speakers would say.

This thread is now infested with otaku heads and is starting to get rotten in its core. Goodbye.

>>279

Good riddance. Bye.

>>280
Word.

I failed to see the otaku infection you say. Actually I found only a few posts that could be otaku-ish in this thread.
If you're referring to カナダ人, he could be a "weeaboo." But so what?

The otaku freaks come out at night... CREEPY!!!

>>283
Time zone, etc.

>>274
"Sure," says John McCain. He explains that at the Hanoi Hilton
"those of us who gained our spiritual help and strength through God
seemed to do better physically than those who basically gave up."
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,996351,00.html

John McCain is a pathetic retard who can never speak English
without some grammatical errors.
I can understand you.

Incorrect:
Those of us who are over fifty years old should get their blood pressure checked regularly.
Correct:
Those of us who are over fifty years old should get our blood pressure checked regularly.
〔Pass key to the TOEFL, Pamela J. Sharpe, P187〕

Pamela J. Sharpe(Ph.D.), a writer, and Barron's Educational Series, INC, a publisher,
are sordid swindlers who sell an inaccurate book without any scruples.
I can understand you.

>>274
ここにいるネイティブってFランレベルなの？
それとも中卒か？

頭悪過ぎｗ
英語の勉強くらいちゃんとしけよｗ

>>267
I generally try not to think about Japanese in romaji, really.
I just listen to it a lot and try to imitate what I hear.

>>274
Here comes a liar to put out a lie!

>>285
Doesn't it depend on whether the speaker is over 50?
It's a little unusual to take it this way, but the speaker could be young and talking to older members of the same group.

By the way, his idiosyncratic usages of brackets and asterisks make it quite confusing.
It's really hard to understand what he's asking...

>>286
>>288

Obviously he thought >>273 was asking where to put accents because he used * and [].
I think it's natural to assume * is for vocal emphasis if there's no explanation at all.

>>290
Sorry for my arrogant impudence and idiotic rudeness.
I was not able to read his posting correctly.

It is I who have to study English.
Sorry, again.

correction
×２８７
↓
○２８８

I think everyone would assume >>273 was asking about pronunciation if he didn't post >>275.
What are the "*"s supposed to mean anyway?

"His" in "his posting" means >>274.
The only part I read of his posting was "(1) for sure".
So I assumed that he was wrong, an assumption I found wrong only after your pointing out.

I should have read his posting with more care.


As for "*" 片岡 frequently uses, I have no idea what he means by the symbol.

Which thread did this question and those with the hasty judgments come from?

Ah, that one. Nevermind...

>>289
Yes, exactly. "our" would only be valid if the speaker is over 50 himself, but you could always say "their".
And "those of us" doesn't necessarily imply that the speaker is part of the sub-group he
declares through that expression.
So "our" would be incorrect in SOME circumstances, but without further context it's not possible
to discern if it is in that particular sentence.
Am I getting this right, this is a question taken from a text book?
Because, then It's an unanswerable trick question.

>>279
...and nothing of value was lost.

You guys care way too much about those trivial things. That's for sure.

>>247
I heard the show itself sucks.

There seems to be no real good anime this season.

My old favourite Rammstein song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYXsFIsfCzA

>>297
AHHHHHHH, my brain's gonna explode! I don't care grammar at all.
I just say our when I think I'm included and their when I'm not.
If linguists say otherwise, I don't give a shit. It's not like I consciously choose words when I speak.

>>299
You heard it right. It's only enjoyable if you like moeblobs.

>>273

I would use (2) actually. When you say "those of us" you mean you and a group,
so it follows you should say "our" not "their" you would say "their" if you were
talking about a group that did not include you. Such as this sentence:

"Those who are awesome should get their awesome checked regularly" (stupid sentence lol)

You would not say "those of us" if you were not part of the group. That doesn't make sense.

>>282

I'm sure you don't know, but weeaboo is sort of an offensive term for an anime fan. =P
"Weeaboo" are generally people who are ignorant about everything Japanese except anime,
but they pretend to be geniuses. I like anime, but I like a lot of things. Weeaboos only
like anime and this is what they live for. What is more pathetic they think the Japanese
voice acting sucks so they only watch English, reading subtitles is too hard I guess.

Ha, moeblobs. Learned something new.

>>305
It's pretty much useless in real life though.

>>304
I thought weeaboos were people who are so obsessed with Japan that hey think
anything Japan does is awesome and superior, and try so hard to become Japanese
(like using Japanese words while speaking English)
I think there are weeaboos who don't watch that much anime, but are obsessed with other things such as J music and dramas.

>>304
You're a really nice guy.

>You would not say "those of us" if you were not part of the group. That doesn't make sense.

Life would be easier if things were that simple. Sometimes you have to say "those of us" when you're not part of the group:

You: Those of us who believe in our mighty XXX are never afraid to fight against their..., I mean, our arch enemies.

Me: I think I found a heretic there.

(1) Those of us [ who are over fifty years old ] should get [ *their
blood pressure checked regularly ].

When the situation is that people of 40s and 50s have gathered at a place including me, and I tell toward all the people there about taking blood pressure test,
wouldn't it be kind to say their blood pressure because the point is not whether I'm included in the ones to take the test?

>>309
Can someone translate this into English?

>>309

Those of you who are over fifty years old should get your blood pressure
checked regularly.

Those of us who are over fifty years old should get our blood pressure
checked regularly.

When you use 'us', you are grouping people with yourself and making the
pronoun possessive, therefore you use 'our'. When you use "you", it's objective
and the pronoun changes accordingly. If you're not included, you just wouldn't
say "us". You could say "those of you" if you don't want to imply you're included,
even if you are.

>>311
Somehow "those of you who are over 50 should..." sounds to me a little unkind as if the speaker is looking down on people who are over age 50.
It's difficult to explain, but it's like the speaker is saying, "You old guys should do this and I don't need to because I'm not old."
Do native English speakers feel the same?

>>307

It's sort of complex, yes a lot of weeaboos do use Japanese words with English.
I do it too sometimes but I think for me it's okay because I intend to learn the
language, they are just trying to be cool. The most common words they use are:
バカ、かわいい、すごい。 They don't know anything else =P

>>312

It depends on who is saying it, if a doctor is talking to an audience it is not
impolite to say "Those of you who are over 50 should..."

But either way this issue could go on forever, it's not a big deal in English and
in the end it's the context that matters. I'm sure it's the same way in Japanese.

Time for dinner, peace.

>>313
Thank you. Have a good dinner.

Thank you.
It depends all on what the situation is and how you feel when you say it.

311,
Can those of you mean like one third of you?
Can those of us mean like one third of us?

Does those of you mean all of you here?
Does those of us mean all of us here?

Big NEWS
SMAP member Tsuyoshi, Kusanagai was arrested over Obscenity charge.

This is the one of the biggest scandal in Japan's show budsiness history.
It's like one of the members of Backstreet boys, West Life, or those equivelants
in your countries popular boys' croup member would be arrested.

http://tvde.web.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/jlab-dat/s/403673.jpg

This is an image from TV's news buliten. The image of an woman is
irrelevant. I hope you can read Japanese.

http://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20090423-00000518-san-ent

I wonder what he did.
He got drunk and got naked and walk in the street?
That's better than showing his penis to random female passer-bys at night.

Will kusanagi "member" be back?

I think police should check drug test on kusanagi.
Drugs are rampant in show busi people.

You don't know inagaki "member".
Inagaki is another SMAP member.
WHen Inagaki was arrested, media reported inagaki
"member" was arrested.
Usually when suspect was arrested, media say inagaki
容疑者(suspect) was arrested.
To avoid inagaki 容疑者 （suspect inagaki), which makes inagaki
bad man, media add "member" after inagaki.
You can see how japanese media is biased and pay attentions to
influential talent agency.

-20cm around the woman's waist should be more valued.

http://live22.hp.infoseek.co.jp/cgi-bin/up/s/295729.jpg

http://up2.viploader.net/pic3/src/vl2_124118.jpg

He was naked and shouting in a park. Police told him to put on clothes and get a life
but he ignored.

He might have been drunk but there's a possibility he inhaled Mariwana or something.

>>317
Um, I take the left one.

>>323

Lol that is all the police did? In America, he would have been elbowed in
the face, had his nose broken, and the police would have gotten away with
blatant abuse.

>>325
That sounds like the police overuse their power.

He was told to put on clothes. If he had followed cop's instruction and
stop shouting at night, chances have been he wasn't arrested.
The point is he didn't follow cop's instruction. Breaking his nose woul have
been too much.

The park he arrested in was in very urban area and is said to be a place
where gay people meet.

I don't think he is gay but the fact he was naked and shouting at night
reminds me George Michael, in terms of impact of the scandal.
George was arrested when masterbating in a toilet in a park.
I'm not sure though.

>>325
What a fucked up country you're living in.

Judging from your post, the world you're living in must be pretty fucked up as well www

Kusanagi will be discharged from chidegi character.
I'm glad.
chidegi character is public character to inform the public of
the transition from terrestrial analog broadcast to
terrestrial degital broadcast.

As of now print media calls kusanagi suspect kusanagi.
I don't know the case of TV news.

>>329
Look who's talking, World Wide Web

>>331
Different people in different "worlds". You learnt a new expression. Congrat!

Is Kusanagi Korean? I've been wondering about this for like 10 years now.

http://www.sponichi.co.jp/entertainment/flash/KFullFlash20090423026.html
kusanagi is allagedly reported to assalult a policeman.
If that was the case, how would he have been in America?
lol

He would've been shot in the butt, I guess.

>>333
At one time, I thought he is because he looks like Korean and
he speaks pretty good Korean. But the kanji なぎ of his name
is only used by Japanese. So he is Japanese. That's what read somewhere.

Do you guys know about peewee herman? He was arrested for masturbating in a movie
theater. Famous guy as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peewee_Herman#Indecent_exposure_arrest:_1991

Here is the page in Japanese if you don't read English well:
http://tinyurl.com/ceppym I had to shorten it because the link was very long.

There isn't as much information on this page, I can't read what it says but it
might be helpful.

Is this style of case common in Japan? I think it's pretty rare anywhere.

>>332
Do you even know what "Look who's talking" means? Look it up in your dictionary.

Also, I put World Wide Web at the end of the line because he wrote the mysterious www (you don't say you don't know what it stands for?).

>>337
You mean being arrested for masturbating in an adult theater? or masturbating in an adult theater itself?

Oh! This is off-topic but I wasn't sure if I should take a picture of
a Canadian restaurant (where I went for dinner). I don't think anyone
really cares, but if someone is curious this is how it looked:

http://i39.tinypic.com/2vdsfw4.jpg

Sorry for low quality, I took this picture with my cellphone and
the lighting was bad.

>>338
Don't tell me you don't know www You read Japanese.

>>337
Fapping in public is fantastic. Once you acquire a taste for it, you can't stop it.

>>341
When I read it in Japanese text, I see it as the equivalent of lol.
When I read it in English text, my brain automatically sees it as World Wide Web.
I thought it happened to everyone, but it may just be me.

>>340
What did you eat?

>>343
blah blah blah

>>345
Anyways, you learned a new phrase, right?
You can say "Look who's talking" when you see a stupid who call a person stupid.
Congrats!

blah blah blah www

>>340
You often eat out with your family or friends?
Are the photos on the wall owner's of the restaurant family's

In exchange for the photo, I'll put a link.
http://sylphys.ddo.jp/upld2nd/neta2/src/1240451078890.jpg
He is the man arrested this morning in a park.

>>337
He was on a japanese TV commercial, nomura or daiwa security firm
if my memory serves me correctly.
I checked on the net. security firm seems to be wako syouken(security).

Now I know Again He was arrested for the possesion of child porn.
Japanese media didn't report it big at that time.
He seems to be hard core pervert.

>>348

I was with my mother and my sister but both are not in the picture.
I'm not sure what the photos are of, they might be the owners friends
or family. Or maybe generic pictures he bought from a dollar store.

>>344

It was an Italian restaurant (I know I said Canadian...what I meant was
it's a restaurant in Canada lol.) so I ate gourmet pizza. It had blue
cheese, olives, onion, bacon, and this other meat I'm not sure if you have it
called "prosciutto" it's like ham cut a different way. I still have some pizza,
maybe I will take a picture later. It doesn't look like delivery.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm4598334
This is a commercial film featuring pee wee herman.

Jerking in the theatre is not common in japan either.
lol

>>349
CP alone proves he's hardcore. I wonder what he was fapping to when arrested.

>>347
To me, it looks like this: べらべらべら　インターネット.
lol or some conventional trolling emoticons would work better.

if it's an adult theater, then I don't think you'll get arrested for it.

>>353
べらべらべら　インターネット　would do too www

>>352
Haven't you done it yet?!

I have to confess I jerked off during cram school's class when I was a 9th
grader. Maybe people sitting behind me noticed that.
I may be pervert that's why I'm NEET now. Not sure.

No, i have not.

>>354
Really? I've never been to an adult thetre.
SO I don't know the atmosphere of adult theatre.
Please tell me.

I must feel nervous. It's not comfortable to watch
adult film with others.

I don't know if adult film theatre still exists in
shinjuku ward. I've seen the building many years ago.

>>357
No. You don't have to. Shut your mouth.

>>357
Did you expose your penis?
I guess groping over the clothes is not so uncommon.

>>358
Google "adult theater" and the first search result is titled "Wives having sex in adult theaters."
You get the picture.

>>360
>I guess groping over the clothes is not so uncommon.

I, for one, disagree with you. Pervert!

Is it common to take off pants and jerk off together
in the porn theatre in the US?
I want to know personal experience regardless of your
citizenships.

>>358
I used it as an overnight shelter once when I was a teenager. It was like really dark,
deserted and what little customer they had were mostly middle age men. And they
had this movie like an octopus sucking on a vagina. It was pretty nasty and I don't
think jerking in there constitute a crime.

>>360
Mine was small at the time so it didn't stand out. I open front zipper and exposed it and rubbed it.
I came but no sermen because I wasn't matured enough.
Even now I grew up, my penis is small.

The class was science class and so boring and I didn't know what the teacher
is talking about so I thought, "Oh yeah, so boring. why don't I jerking off?"
Then I did it.

>>357
How was it? Tell us more about it. I'm curious. What did you use to dispose of your XXXXX?

>>363

One time when I was in grade 7 me and a friend were in a theater with no one
else there, he had to pee but didn't want to miss the movie so he went to the
end of the row and peed there lol. It was funny at the time, but thinking back
on it we were fairly stupid.

>>354

but he DID get arrested, I think it's sort of stupid, but I guess you can't do that lol.
Maybe because it was in 1991, porn theaters might be more relaxed now?

>>366
As I said in 365, no sermen.
I grew up at very slow pace and even when I was a 9 grader, no sermen.
My voice changed low around graduation of junior high.

>>367
Pee? DidnYt the theatre have rest rooms?

Instead of peeing, you guys have to ejaculate somethng else.
Sermen!

And they
had this movie like an octopus sucking on a vagina.

What does it mean? movie theme?

Anyway, thanks guys for precious personal infos.

>>365
I came but no sermen

WTF, is that really posssible?

in 1971 he was arrested for loitering and prowling near an adult theater, though charges were later dropped. His second arrest was in 1983 when Reubens was placed on two years' probation for possession of marijuana, although adjudication was withheld.

Are there any Japanese anarchists or communists on 2ch?

>>371
When you are too young and your testicles have no ability to make
sermen, that's possible.

>>367
You know, these petty sexual offenses are often used against influential people as
they are a perfect tool to detriment man's reputation.

May be he got on the nerves of some powerful person? I sound like I saw a UFO but
it really happens sometimes.

sermen"? You mean XXXXX? You don't need "r"

I didn't know "detriment" is a verb.

>>375
Three men were arrested. pee-wee happened to be one of them.
Police regulaly visited porn theater at that time and place.

>>377
It could be just he's a hardcore pervert. I don't know. I've never lived in Florida.
But I'm sure people from Canada know more about what's the norm there so I was
just bringing up what it could be. Merely hypothetical.

しつこいよ、お嬢さん。

>>376
not "semen", they mean "sermon"
this thread is full of devout religious believers
who take their sermon books with them
wherever they go.

>>376 seems to be carrying sermon of English all the time...

>>369

Yes they did have restrooms but he didn't want to miss the movie! I forget
which movie it even was, but it must of been good.

Well, time for bed again. I'll take a picture of the pizza tomorrow.

>>376

I think it could be a few things...one of those funny English words.

>>374
I "touched" my pee pee when I was a little kid, but I never "came".
The first time I came, I ejacultaed. Cumming without ejaculating, I've never heard of that.

>>383
OK, this it turning real weird, but this is 2ch. Let's make it weirdly interesting.
I did cum before spermarche. The feeling was the same, just nothing came out.

Did you feel exhausted when you "came" in the classroom?

　ヽ(ﾟ∀ﾟ)ﾉ　　And then what!?
　　(　 )　　　 Is there such a law as prohibits me
　　ﾉω|　　 　from getting naked on the street!

　

　__[警]
　　(　 ) ('A`)　　Oh, there it is ...
　　(　 )Ｖノ ）　　Sorry ...
　　 | |　　| |

>>385
Oh, I didn't do it in the classroom, he's waaaay beyond my league in terms of pervertizm www
but yea, was somewhat tired may be?

>>384
Really. That's kind of scary. Like twilight zone.

lol sermen
Peewee Herman's show was pretty scary as I recall.

I used to have a friend who would just come over to my house for the sole
purpose of downloading and watching massive amounts of porn. We were too young
to masturbate and I thought it was boring as hell to just watch it so I had to
kick him out a couple of time because he wouldn't fucking stop downloading.

How do we say spermarche in Japanese?
I forgot.

waht's the Pronunciation of spermarche?
spermark?

I used to have a friend who would just come over to my house for the sole
purpose of downloading and watching massive amounts of porn.

What? he just had to watch or download your collections which
were already there!
Downloading time was a waste of time.

Then what bad influence of porn would happen after
primary school boys watched oral sex and penetration and as such?
Tennessean is a Living proof?

fuck you 2ch?

>>391
So what? What's your point? This is a public place. Don't be a stinker.

Woohoo! Lucky again. It seems Hotspot Shield is better now; I don't have to try
20 times anymore. I'll be going to college August 19th so I'll be able to post more
easily next year(assuming 2ch doesn't block CA ISPs)

Here's a joke:
What's long and hard and full of semen?

>>391
Hey, just wondering, "influence" is something that "happens"?

Porn is fine. It helps you get a wonderful feeling in your penis.

>>394
Next year?
You must be talking about "school year."

>>397
Hmmm yes, my mistake. A bad habit I guess.

>>398
Remember your mission next school year is to bring Zack to this thread.

>>394
Argh, I had no clue so googled it.
The problem is, in Japanese, semen is called zaamen (that's why some people wrote sermen)
so I thought semen was pronounced zeemen in English.

My American girlfriend and her friends all say Korean guys are popular with girls.
On the other hand, they say that Japs are thought to be sneaky and creepy because they are ugly and historically uneducated.
My gf is angry when she talks about Dokto and WW2, saying Japs should appologize to Korea and never even try to steal Dokto from Korea.
Yes, Japs are disliked by girls all over the world. They say they feel sorry for Korea.
I didn't know how they feel about it, but as they say Korea is right, I'm quite sure those who should be punished will be punished sooner or later.
Japan should be punished for what they did in the past and do now. All the girls around the world also hope that Japs will stop torturing Korea.
And their idea is definitely right. Korean guys will love the girls all around the world in return. :)

My American girlfriend and her friends all say Korean guys are popular with girls.
On the other hand, they say that Japs are thought to be sneaky and creepy because they are ugly and historically uneducated.
My gf is angry when she talks about Dokto and WW2, saying Japs should appologize to Korea and never even try to steal Dokto from Korea.
Yes, Japs are disliked by girls all over the world. They say they feel sorry for Korea.
I didn't know how they feel about it, but as they say Korea is right, I'm quite sure those who should be punished will be punished sooner or later.
Japan should be punished for what they did in the past and do now. All the girls around the world also hope that Japs will stop torturing Korea.
And their idea is definitely right. Korean guys will love the girls all around the world in return. :)

>>399
これは本当ですか。私は人達と話したらだれも知りません。
>>400
ザーメン？Interesting that we have two different semens.
And the answer to my joke: Why a submarine of course!

yea, Korea rocks www


coocoo

My American girlfriend and her friends all say Korean guys are popular with girls.
On the other hand, they say that Japs are thought to be sneaky and creepy because they are ugly and historically uneducated.
My gf is angry when she talks about Dokto and WW2, saying Japs should appologize to Korea and never even try to steal Dokto from Korea.
Yes, Japs are disliked by girls all over the world. They say they feel sorry for Korea.
I didn't know how they feel about it, but as they say Korea is right, I'm quite sure those who should be punished will be punished sooner or later.
Japan should be punished for what they did in the past and do now. All the girls around the world also hope that Japs will stop torturing Korea.
And their idea is definitely right. Korean guys will love the girls all around the world in return. :)

Hi. Do you know me? I'm the world-famous Korean guy.
Don't you know me?

>>403
Your Japanese sentence didn't make sense.

>>407
Damn! And there I was trying to practice for the AP test...
I was trying to say, "Is this true? When I speak with people no one knows."

>>408
マジで！！　誰もそんなの知らないんすっけど！！

No, you'll fail the exam with this one. It'll be like
本当ですか？人に聞くと、誰も知らないんですが。

英語でおｋ

My American girlfriend and her friends all say Korean guys are popular with girls.
On the other hand, they say that Japs are thought to be sneaky and creepy because they are ugly and historically uneducated.
My gf is angry when she talks about Dokto and WW2, saying Japs should appologize to Korea and never even try to steal Dokto from Korea.
Yes, Japs are disliked by girls all over the world. They say they feel sorry for Korea.
I didn't know how they feel about it, but as they say Korea is right, I'm quite sure those who should be punished will be punished sooner or later.
Japan should be punished for what they did in the past and do now. All the girls around the world also hope that Japs will stop torturing Korea.
And their idea is definitely right. Korean guys will love the girls all around the world in return. :)

http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.php?cat=video&file=iloveaho083c2.wmv

If Kusanagagi had done things like this, he would be blamed even more.
Don't watch the video if you are a minor under law in your country.

>>409
lol thanks for the help. I think I'm going to do badly on the exam anyways. I could
pass out of level 1 Japanese in college if I were to do well.

Since we're talking about Korea again I thought I'd link this documentary about the DPRK: http://www.vbs.tv/video.php?id=1438428757

speak with people should be 「人に話したら」

I suggest not using 「人達」for people.

Well a lot of other countries do look down on japan for omitting the nanking
massacre and stuff in their school curriculum. That's like if germany
denied the holocaust. It's just completely unacceptable.

Having said that, it's okay to translate "these people" as 「この人達」
It just depends on the context, and you need to translate "people" differently depending on
the context.

4chan here, you guys suck.

We are looking for Native English Teachers.
Must have teaching experience of Kids at least 1 year.

I'm sure Korean guys are extraordinary beutiful. American girls say so.

Korean guys are indistinguishable from Korean girls.

>>415
That's just not true. If anything, recent school testbooks have given more detailed descriptions of the incident.

>>395
Then what bad influence of porn would exert on them after
primary school boys watched oral sex and penetration and as such?
Tennessean is a Living proof?

How about this?

>How about this?

Out of the question. I would suggest you google at least 10 times before writing each sentence.

I think the original is much better.

I grow spinach

I grow spinach and other vegitables.

>>426
That implies you're a middle age huosewife.

then i'll have to report your vegetables to the police.

>>428
This is the model answer. I share my vegitables with you.

What's your name!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuSxGLVN82U

>>410

Is he saying something like "In English"? I'm not sure...

>>426

May they prosper.

>>431
おｋ is OK.　When you type "ok" in Japanese mode, it is typed "おｋ."

The original version of it is 日本語でおｋ
You see this phrase often in 2ch. The trasnlation of it would be,
"You can post in Japanese." If a post is grammatically wierd and
you don't understand what it means, the poster gets a respond,
日本語でおｋ, sarcastically, implying his post is gibberish and
it sounds as if it weren't Japanese. So what the phrase means is
"We are all Japanese so you can write in Japanese, then we'll understand
what you mean." In a nutshell, it means, "I don't understand what you mean.
Because your Japanese is terrible."

This thread is written in English. So >>410 gave 日本語でおｋ a twist
and change it to 英語でおｋ, implying that someone's post
is too bad that he can't understand it. He means "Would you write in decent English so that
everybody here can understand what you mean?" Of course he is teasing.
I think he's just having fun posting 英語でおｋ because this thread is
written in English and don't direct it to a specific post here.

I hope I sucessfully made myself understood by this post.
If not, you'll respond to me, commenting, "英語でおｋ"

I think >>405 experienced unjustice which he feels which is acutally
invited by his own fault.

Then He took it out on Japan.
We no more tolerate and pamper korean and punish them until they shut up.

If Cho Seung-hui had known the way to balance his mental unrest
by bashing Japan, he would not have attempted indiscriminate
shooting at school.
If >>405 was Cho Seung-hui, he would have gruge against white girls
who turned down him and he would grow hostility against America.

Lucky?

Cho Seung-hui was chasing a blonde white girl
and she was his girl friend in his imagination.

>>414 >>416
So what's the distinction between 人達 and 人 for "people" I thought "達" pluralized
人 into "people".


Mr. Ando of the Woods: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqzt3T4R38c

Remember your mission next school year is to bring Zack to this thread.

"Is this true? When I speak with people no one knows."

I don't know if these conversations make sense even in English.

Back to the topic, I think it's a matter of feeling.
人達 is conveying the meaning but sounds weird.
We often say like あの人達　that people, この人達 this people.
人達 without demonstrative pronoun or adjective sounds odd.
I guess 人々hitobito sounds more natural.

I don't think 人 is good translation either.
人 means one person or human-beings , same as colletive noun.

like evolution of man(人の進化).

Then using 人 only sounds weird too.
"I spoke with 人" make us imagine speaker is unhuman or
speker have not spoken with 人 for a long time cos 人
sounds like human-beings as species in this context.

人 with adjective or pronoun is O.K again.
For example, silent 人　or gentle 人.

Then how would you translate "When I spoke with people"?

I wouldn't like it if you translated "people" here as "hitobito."
I'd like to ask you, would you ever say "hitobito" in daily conversation?
"hito ni hanasitara" would work just fine. Don't you think so?

>>432

Thanks for the explanation, I get it now and I realize I actually read it correctly =)
I just wasn't sure about "おk" I thought it sounded strange, and to me it could of
been confused with を (which would not make sense)　or an honorific used by a women (お花）
but this second case would be strange to see on the internet I guess.

>>437

I can sort of see where you might confuse it, but you need to remember it's hard to
translate direct Kanji. From my understanding 日本人、can mean "The Japanese people"
or it can just mean "A Japanese Person" so here it is a noun and a mass noun. I use
the name カナダ人、but this doesn't mean I am all Canadians.

I think using abruptly 人 is unnatural.
adjecive with 人 such as そこの人 "person there" is O.K.
人々 is fine if 人々 were explained earlier.

I visited yatsuhaka village and spoke with the people.
私は村を訪れ、人々と話した。

>I think using abruptly 人 is unnatural.

That depends.
Just take a look at how "people" are translated differently on Alc:

http://eow.alc.co.jp/people/UTF-8/?ref=sa

人 will be singular in that context.

We don't use 人 to mere several people.

日本人 is 日本(国籍）の人.　So it can be applied to one person or
japanese as a whole.

http://eow.alc.co.jp/people/UTF-8/?ref=sa
I couldn't find the case that 人 alone is used to describe one or
plural people who speakers directly met, in page one.
人 is always used with modifying words.
When 人alone is used, 人 is abstract meaning.
"People can give only what they have to others."
"People appreciate cards and letters because they take extra effort"

On the other hand, you can see 人々alone is used many times.

>>432
Thanks for the detailed explanation!
I was just about to ask the same thing. I've seen 日本語でおk
quite a few times by now, but wasn't entirely sure what it means.
But you wrote that "When you type 'ok' in Japanese mode, it is typed 'おｋ.'"
So, do most Japanese prefer the romaji-->kanji input method over kana-->kanji?
Or is it just the kind of people who visit 2ch a lot?
I'll definitely stick to typing with the hiragana keyboard layout so I get used to thinking in kana,
but I'm curious about what people actually use.

Remember your mission next school year is to bring Zack to this thread.

"Is this true? When I speak with people no one knows."

Back to the starting point, what does it mean?

Oh wow, this 人 thing is way more complicated then I thought. I'll ask my teacher about it,
although she can be very unclear sometimes...

As for the meaning of the sentence, I realized that the context is pretty obscure. What I meant to say
is that when I speak to people about Zack they never know he is going to USC. Doing a quick google search
seems to confirm this though. I'll have to make some friends with theater or film majors if I want any chance
to talk to him lol.

>>448
I think the majority of Japanese go with the romaji input method, because it's easier and faster.
That's pretty much the norm.

>>448
The majority of people use the romaji keyboard layout I think. Some still use the kana keys, though.
I remember some learner of Japanese here said she/he was using it too, maybe for the same reason as yours.

I use romaji input, I think it would be hard to get a kana keyboard over here.

But yeah, I just made a stupid mistake. I got paid today ($189), about
19,000円 and I wanted to go cash this at the bank. (It was in a cheque)
I get my bank card, I walk half way to the bank, and I forgot the cheque at home!

What's worse is my Japanese teacher is here in 20 minutes so I have to wait 3 more
hours before I get any money for dinner D=

>>453
Where in Canada do you live?

>>448

As >>451-452 says, the vast majority of PC users type with romaji input method.
2channelers are having fun by not bothering to convert it to ok or OK.
Another thing you often see in 2ch is　うｐ, meaning "up."
In Japanese we often say アップ　instead of アップロード.
Even 2channelers who don't good at English know アップ's original English
is "up." But they don't bother to convert　うｐ to up.
For example, if a 2channeler wants アメリカ人 to upload a Zack's photo ASAP,
he would ask him by saying, "早くザックの写真をうｐしてくれ"

Another common example is "ようつべ."　When I saw this for the first time in 2ch,
I was cluless. But soon I understanded what it means. Do you know what
it means? Sample sentense:「昨日ようつべで面白いビデオみたよ。」

>>453
I don't have a kana keyboard either, it's a regular German keyboard.
Like, when I press Ä, what appears on screen is ふ.

>>455
ah, thanks for the info.
I'm guessing ようつべ means YouTube, but I would normally expect it to be in katakana.

>>457
You're right!

>but I would normally expect it to be in katakana.

Why do 2channelers bother converting it to Katakana?
The basic idea of うｐ　おｋ　ようつべ　etc. are that 2channerls
don't bother to convert them to up, ok, youtube　resepectively.

If a 2channeler type it right, youtube is typed ユーチューブ、not
ヨウツベ.

>>458
Yeah, I get the idea with the direct romaji conversion.
And I know that it wouldn't be ヨウツベ if they'd convert it properly,
but I don't really expect people to know how to pronounce foreign words anyway.
I mean, I've spent the last 2 months looking for anime and video games to watch/play,
and some of them have titles in German, but always with completely wrong katakana.
So when I see a kana word I don't know, I just think of how it would look in romaji.

When I read English written by foreigners who like Japanese anime,
I sometimes see they add "ne" or "desu" at the end of English sentences.
I understand they are ね　and　です which come from Japanese.

Do ね and です stick to their ears even though they don't understand full Japanese sentenses that
include ね　or です? I feel that they want to sound as if they knew some
Japanese words.

They do it for the same reason Japanese artists write song lyrics with retarded English.

Do ね　and です among other Japanese words stand out and stick in their ears
when foreigners watch Japanese anime?

>>460

I'm pretty sure the people who do that are little kids. Don't look too much
into it.

>>460

Lmao these people are idiots. These are the "weeaboos" that were mentioned
earlier. They have no clue what it means or how it is properly used.

>>454

4 hours south of Toronto in a small town called "Windsor" most people don't
like this town very much, we're right across from Detroit. Go find it on google maps!

Also, we had my Japanese lesson today and something confused me. In one example a man was
asking a women for her phone number, but first they met. (あいます）however, after he asked
for her phone number, she had to "meet him again" ugh it's hard to explain. I guess it was
like this:

サトさんはみらこさんにあいます
*Asks for phone number*
みらこさんはサトさんにあいます
*gives him phone number*

If this is the correct way maybe this is a strange question for you guys, but I don't understand
why we are using あいます　twice. Is this very formal?

http://asiajin.com/blog/2009/04/12/practical-face-tracking-for-japanese-gal-game/#comments

Some of you might like this new technology, especially, ahem, アメリカ人. jk.

>>461 >>463 >>464
I know they are weeeaboos. I was curious ですdesu and ねne are
especially easy to catch among other Japanes words sound-wise.

>>464
I don't understand that ether...

>>464
Your post is a perfect example where I would say to you 英語でおｋ. :p

First, I don't understand the context of

サトさんはみらこさんにあいます
*Asks for phone number*
みらこさんはサトさんにあいます
*gives him phone number*

You mean she couldn't get to know him well when she first met him,
so she refused to tell him her number on the occasion and asked him
to see him again to get to know him better enough. She is afraid of
telling her number to someone who she can't put trust in?

Well anyway I stretched my imagination to understand what you try to mean.
You thought it sounds odd to use present tense?

>>464
Hrm well the only distinction is directional.
1. Sato meets Mirako
2. Mirako meets Sato
So they have slightly different meanings. Right 日本人？

>>465
That article is almost 2 weeks old! What do you take me for? I've already put
an order in for the game!

です is easy to pick out because it ends a sentence. ね is so damn easy to pick out because
it's so ubiquitous. I really don't want to post this, but since it shows exactly what you were asking...
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Desu
That's from 4chan as you probably guessed.

>>468
That's アメリカ人! I appologize! I must admit I underestimated you.

Thanks for the link. I didn't know anime fans' frequent use of "DESU" attributes to
one specific anime character.

>In one example a man was
asking a women for her phone number, but first they met. (あいます）

Well, the information you provided does not seem enough for us to figure out what you are stuck with...

>So they have slightly different meanings. Right?

I don't think so. Obviously they can't be any different from each other.

Argh, I knew I wouldn't be able to explain it properly. It's strange to describe
what's wrong with it.

>>467

Thanks for trying to understand >_> I know I'm bad at explaining it. Let me try again...
They already know each other, but the verb for meeting is "あいます”I don't understand
why it is said twice. The phone number doesn't matter, that's why I didn't post that part
of the conversation - the important thing is they appear to meet twice in the same dialogue.

I'm not sure if this makes it more clear or not, if it isn't clear I'll just...stop talking >_>

>>472
I think it may be like

A meets B:

A gives B his number.

B meets A:

B gives A her number.

There may not be much meaning in あいます.

>>472
A-ha! I think now I understand what you mean and I don't blame you for the question
you asked because I think it may be confusing from a learner of Japanese.

I guess the reason why the text book took that approach
is to make you Japanese learners learn each sentense's structures,
depending on from whose angle you see the incident.

By サトさんはみらこさんにあいます and みらこさんはサトさんにあいます
, the fact that the two meet to exchange their numbers is expressed.
The former from　サト's angle, the latter from　みらこ's angle.

I have another online slang question for the Japanese readers here.
What does "っぱねぇ”mean? I know it's short for "半端ではない”but
what does it mean in the context of nicovideo? I see it all the time
and still can't figure it out.

Thanks in advance and I hope you guys don't mind these questions haha.

>>475
It's just an expression. "brutal!" "it's da shit!!"

>>475
It's used to praise something/someone/an act or whatever it is.
It's not online slang, I think. Actually, in very casual conversation
with friends, young people say　”っぱねぇ””ぱねぇ”or　”半端ねぇ.”
It's like "kICK ASS!" "WOW!" or "AMAZING!"

eg.)
Person A: I've got an ipod touch. I downloaded lots of free software for it yesterday.
　　　　Looks at this. This software detects a panty hung on the laundry line in your neighborhood!

アメリカ人: っぱねえ！！！

More accurately 「半端(ハンパ）じゃない」 is the roots of ぱねえ。
半端じゃない　→　半端ねえ　→　っぱぇ
半端(者) means a person who isn't all there or oddment.
半端じゃない would often be used by bad boys or Japanese
motorcycle gangs to flaunt that they were living their way
of life wholeheartedly(not half-hearted).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R55yr8EkGWQ&feature=related
In this video, the singing guy says "defiance is the only
medal of honor for men, I have lived with this faith all along.
Public walls which is as cold as like always block us, but
our dreams we have been drawing in our hearts
is not odd(halfway)(胸に描いたこの夢は半端(ハンパ)じゃないから）.
I tried Sketchy and rough translations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R55yr8EkGWQ&feature=related
You know this style is/ was laughable, so パネェ often includes
laugher towards eccentric guys who looks パネェ.
FYI we don't see exactly the same type of fashion in public
these days, but that kind of wording and mentality more or less
exist today.

If you want to know DQN Yankee words, 半端じゃない、夜露死苦、
気合はいってる、命かけてる、etc are important keywords.

http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&rlz=1T4GGLG_jaJP317JP225&q=%E7%93%9C%E7%94%B0+%E3%83%91%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A7&lr=
Watch the results.

You can see writes are ridiculing 瓜田 for his ﾊﾟﾈｪ behavior.
But 瓜田 himself seem to prefer the word ﾊﾟﾈｪ too.
In 瓜田's case, ﾊﾟﾈｴ is cool word to show manliness.
瓜田純士 is son of legendary biker gang(black emperor) president
and 瓜田 himself was bad boy and yakuza.

I think average japanaese won't use ﾊﾟﾈｪ in real life.

"半端(者) means a person who isn't all there nor oddment"
seems to be more right.
"show that or boast that" is more appropriate than "flaunt that".

Public walls which is as cold as ice(not like).
Sorry,

Wow thanks for the detailed explanations, I totally understand now.
I knew it was some kind of "AWESOME!" praise but just had no idea why.
The history, I guess, behind the phrase is also pretty interesting.

ﾊﾟﾈｴ seems to be a buzz word among youngsters more or less.
But I think it still contains stupididity and roughness.
not a decent word.
So adversely it can be used to ridicule someone who seem to prefer to say ﾊﾟﾈｴ.

http://images.google.co.jp/images?hl=ja&lr=&rlz=1T4GGLG_jaJP317JP225&um=1&q=%E3%83%91%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A7&sa=N&start=0&ndsp=20
Those show pretty good yankeeish mentalities.

>>474

Ah okay! Thank you for taking time to explain it to me. It makes sense now
why they did this.

Time for sleep again. Lol when I go to bed you guys are coming home from
school or maybe work, and it's already tomorrow! Interesting to think about.

I watched a video of some Japanese girl playing pokemon. All she did was
giggle, make bizarre noises, and call everything kawaii.

Not surprisingly, each of the 30 parts of this continuing series of kawaii
pokemon videos had tens of thousands of views and thousands of comments.

Here is part 27:
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm6695112

>>485
Internet is the best tool for attention whores, is it?
I guess the number of viewers were one tenth if the player was a man.
Just watching her play makes male viewers think as if they played
the game with her in her room.

>>477
Hahahaha that was great!

No one probably cares, but I have my experience in Japan to thank for getting
me into college. If I hadn't had gone on that exchange I don't know what I would
have written about. So here's what I wrote for my college application: http://bayimg.com/image/bapnfaabd.jpg

>>487
Thank you very much for sharing the essay! That's so well-written that
it coulld be in Japan's high school textbook. I like the way you depicts
your mood shifts, first in the airplane, then after arriving to Japan
and then when you were through the entire stay in Japan.

From an English learner's perspective, it is dotted with useful expressions
and words. There are some words and expressions that I understand but which aren't
in my active vocabulary. I'd give your essay an AAA but you didn't touch on the bonus, which is
your host family has a junior high school girl and your fetish so you'd have to settle for AA. :p
Was there a rule about total character count to submit it to university?
You used the same essay for other prospective universities?

I didn't know there's such a thing as a city anthem. I don't think we have such
a song in my city. Did you enjoy the Ferris Wheel right next to the Osaka station?
Maybe you've talked about it before but I forgot.

I suspect not all of the students from your high school had a memorable experiences.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of them had a terrible experiences and
don't want to visit Japan anymore. hehe. Didn't any of your friends complain
about terrible host family? Like "What? your host family took you to
Osaka castle, USJ and a huge aquarium? My host family didn't take me anywhere.
I just took a walk with them in the neighborhood everyday. Besides, my dinner every
day was dog food." I know this is an extreme example but I guess some students were
complaining about their experiences in Japan on the flight back to Chicago. I want to hear
about such stories. If some students on the program have interesting stories to tell,
I want you to share them, too.

ha... i want a boy friend.

A dildo can be your boyfriend although it doesn't take you to a fancy restaurant.

>>487
If I remember correctly, you don't wear shoes in your house.
But in your essay you write "Upon entering my host family's home,
I realized you were nowhere near chicago."
You took off your shoes and avoided first faux pas and felt prety confident.

That sounds as if you wore shoes in your house and taking them off isn't
your custome. Would you explain about that? You mean most of American do take shoes off but they don't take them
off right after entering a house? I'm confused.

>>489
id be ur boyfriend if ur hetero n cute.

>>491
I'm not American but in the West the custom is to take off your shoes before you enter the house, by and large.

>>493
Oh, is that right.
If that's the case, I still don't get it because he sounds like in the essay he
didn't forget to take off his shoes. If it's American custom to take off
shoes whether before or after entering a house, it's natural to take of shoes.

>>487
You went to OSAKA? Did they speak Kansai-ben?

>>492
sorry, im a gay.
i wanna live in sanfrancisco some day.

>>496
Is it true gays are oppressed and discriminated against a lot in Japan, like in 1950s America?

Of cource, why we should be kindness against faggots?

Korean guys are thought to be fascinating all over the world
because Korean guys are
1) manly - girls like this feature of Korean guys very much
2) self-confident - girls like guys who can make a decision like Korean guys do
3) smart - girls pay great respect for those with brain.
So all the girls in the world find Korean guys very attractive.
I'm proud of it. :)

good for you.

no girl like who has only 9cm pennis lol

Does Japan have a large gay population?
In Canada unless you're hardcore catholic no one really gives a shit.

How does Japan feel about crossdressers?

we call it 女装
its one of hentai

>>502
I remember some male crossdressers appeared in a Korean variety show.
Gee, as someone pointed out the other day that Korean guys were beautiful,
if girls all over the world watched it, they would think the same way.
Yeah, I know, I know... I should have added one more secret of Korean guys being popular all over the world..
Korean guys are popular with girls around the world because they are
4) beautiful.
I'm awfully sorry for the person who let us here in the thread know Korean guys were beautiful as well as hot.

(　＾ω＾)

>>497
i dunno exactly.
because i dont come out it.
but maybe not.
japanese pepole is not care about it except not to be care themselves.
but sometimes shocked about treatment about gay.

>>506
×treatment about gay.
○treatment for gay.

>>502
I'm not sure if the Japanese are more liberal than Canadians when it comes to homosexuality,
but I don't think the Japanese government would allow same sex marriage anytime soon.
Mature people don't care much about your sexuality, but kids may make fun of gays.

As for cross-dressing, my girl friend always wants me to dress like a girl, which I don't want to.
I don't give a crap about it, but some may consider it pervert.

>>502
I don't know how many people are gay in Japan.
As for cross dressers, they don't wear female clothes in broad daylight.
They just dress themselves that way at night. Probably there's a
club for people who're a cross dresser. I wouldn't want to see
a muscular men wearing female clothes and put on makecap.

Some are famous in show business.
http://blogimg.goo.ne.jp/user_image/73/a1/51a0cf4e80b86f7ec8c94d6f5efcb7d2.jpg
She's very pretty and removed his penis. She's quite popular but before
she entered show business, he had been in agony at university. Once she confessed
her female friends in her uni that she's a man, girls began to avoid her
and she was isolated. That shows living as a cross dresser in ordinary
life is still torcher. Once she got into show business and got popular, everybody
accepts the the way she is. I wouldn't call her a cross dresser at all.
Even if she's not a biologically woman, she is a woman inside and outside.
She sometimes do modeling job in fashion magazine for gilrs.

Other cross dressers in show business are
http://www.dls-eikaiwa.com/ricky/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/ikko1.jpg
and
http://blog.zaq.ne.jp/mt51/img/img_box/img20070912034621236.jpg
They are on the ugly side. I wouldn't call them a woman.

>>377's man's press conference.
I wonder how many foreigners here are interested in this incident.
Obcsenity charge is too much a word. Public lewdness is better?
What he did was screaming late night naked in a park being heavily drunk.
Nobody except police officers saw him naked. He had no intention to
show his naked body to anybody.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhLFBxsE5-U

This videos was recorded by subchannel so you can listen to it in English.
From 9pm news of NHK.

>>502
gay population is in direct proportion.
but, gay cant marry in japan ,to differ canada

Japanese society is a lot more tolerant to the drunk than western
societies. You can see a drunk people sleeping on the bench of a station,
in the train, especially at the time when there are many occasions
to drink, such as an year end, April when welcoming parties for freshmen
in university and workplace are held.

Somebody sober takes care of drunk almost sleeping friends in cherry blossom viewing
party outside.

>>488
I'm happy you enjoyed my essay. Let's see, you have a lot of questions lol...
I sent that essay to multiple colleges but some had different length requirements.
That version is the longest one at 600 words but I had to trim it down to 500 words for one
school. That was really annoying because I put so much effort into the 600 words lol.

I actually did not go on the ferris wheel, but I did see it. I did go to Osaka-jo and USJ. I know
some of my friends went to the aquarium with their host families.

Only one person didn't really like their host family, but she was being a sour puss. She kept saying
the family and host student were really boring. Maybe the rest of us just got really lucky with our host
families since we all had fun. One kid had trouble adjusting to Japanese food and he got sick but other
then that it was fine. Most of us had similar experiences, although I think I was the only one lucky enough
to get a host of the opposite gender lol.

>>491
Hrm well, I may have used a wee bit of hyperbole to make the essay interesting. As >>493 said, it's not uncommon to take
off your shoes when entering a house. The difference how ever is that there is no general rule. Usually it's up to the owner
of the house to tell you whether to take off your shoes. Sometimes only the kids will take off their shoes and the adults leave them on.
In general I'd say that when you invite adults over for dinner, hanky panky, etc. they leave their shoes on. In my house I take off my
shoes and we have a mat next to the door to place them. There's no rule in my house - I just prefer to.
It might be confusing for foreigners because even if the genkan is full of shoes, it does not necessarily mean to take off one's shoes.
A family might just store all their shoes there, but still wear them in the house. In Japan there's a singular rule so that is what is distinct
between the West and Japan.

>>495
何ぼ?

>>507

Both of those are wrong.

The sentence should of been "but sometimes I'm shocked about the
treatment of gays."

>>509

I know someone who does this by himself at night, sounds like it's not
that different. People would not do it in public.

thanks for all the answers =)

>>507
"treatment for gay" would mean that gay is a sickness that needs medical treatment.
There definitely are people who believe this, though.

I've been reading wikipedia articles on various military tactics, strategy,
weapons, armor, and battles for a couple of hours now.

I can't get enough of this stuff. I grew up listening to stories about the
civil war and I've had an endless interest in military logistics/strategy/
tactics since. However, there is no practical way for me to put it use unless
I want to work 30 years in the military.
to use, though.

>>517
I bet you like Three Kingdom Saga, where the battle of Red Cliff
is depicted. The logistics and strategies in those days are too old?

Millitary tactics can be taken advantage of in business, too.
Even in your strategy for stock exchange market.
How? I don't know.

>>518
Easy: Your rival company is bothering you? Invade their office building. Using military tactics.

>>519

Should I use my own company employees as soldiers? I would have to train
and discipline them...

Here was one battle I spent forever reading about:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Dien_Bien_Phu

One thing which is really interesting about this battle is that the Viet Minh
commander spent months preparing for the battle by setting up concealed artillery
positions all around the enemy's hedgehog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog_defense).

After the French got their asses beaten pretty bad by the concealed artillery, this happened:
>The artillery had been dug in by single pieces... They were installed in shell-proof dugouts, and fire point-blank from portholes...
This way of using artillery and AA guns was possible only with the expansive ant holes at the disposal of the Vietminh and was to make
shambles of all the estimates of our own artillerymen."[36] The French artillery commander, Colonel Charles Piroth, distraught at his
inability to bring counterfire on the well-camouflaged Viet Minh batteries, went into his dugout and killed himself with a hand grenade.

hey watch NFL draft guys.Starts from 5AM tomorrow morning

>>521
Are you American?
NFL isn't very popular here.
There once was a time when it got popular in late 80's to early 90's
when Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and Steve Young of SF 49ers are dominant
in NFL scene. Oh, Dan Marino from Miami Dolphines were pretty well known
here.

At that time NFL official shops were machrooming in Japan. I actually bought
Washington Redskins T-shirt and 49er's cap. I never wear them at the
same time though. It would make me look like an idiot although, not many
Japanese didn't know the names of NFL teams so it would have been OK
as long as I wear them at the same time in Japan.

In '93 J league, which is Japanese pro soccer league was launched
and many people jumped to the popularity of the league and NFL popularity
lost its momentum.

I can't help but being amazed by the contracts NHF prospective players
get. To much money. But being a pro is dangerous business. Compared to
pros in other sports, they are vulnerable and have high risk of getting
injured. The years of players being a pro is very short. Still, they can live
with handsome money they get after they get retire.

Bo Jackson is fabulous, how could he play both as a baseball player and
a football player. Very talented athlete. Deion Sanders, too.

I haven't taken a bath for 5 days.

My hair is sticky and beard has grown pretty long. Once I comb my hair with my fingers,
they get all sticky. My eys are like those of a dead man. My skin on my face is peeling
like a snake casting off its skin. Maybe it's just scurf.

I've been smelly since three days ago, but who cares? I have no social life and
stay at home all day. I went to a convenience store to by cigarett two days
ago at night to be precise.

I think I'm developing fetish of my own body odor.
From the gap between my neck and my shirt, the smell which can't be described in any words even
by a renowned novelist coming up. It's an acquired taste so to speak.
I think even a skunk wouldn't want to make eye contact with me and they would keep a secure distance
from me.

>>522
I'm Japanese.
Yeah football is still not known to many, but it's becoming popular since the football manga started several years ago.

>>523

You sound like you're having fun. I personally like bathing so I try
not to skip it. However I do stay indoors when I can.

And about football...I don't like sports in general. =/

Here is my periodic finance post.

Over the past week, the money supply has shrunk by 60 billion. That despite
the government pumping trillions of dollars into the economy through the banks.
It seems the banks are just taking the money from the government and holding it,
which is keeping the economy from stabilizing. The banks are doing that so that
they can improve their financial statements, how the look to the general public,
when they were lent the money in the first place so that the banks could lend the
borrowed money to the general public.
Anyways, the government is getting pissed now and they are thinking of nationalizing
all the banks.

Pretty interesting.

In fairness, Deion Sanders wasn't a very GOOD baseball player. I used to live near his house when he played for Dallas; the gates to his driveway had "PRIME TIME" (his nickname) on them.

Kinda arrogant. Perhaps not as much as Terrell Owens, who was also in Dallas. Something about the place attracts jerks. Probably the team owner.

>>499
LOL
korea is the origin of everything so ho can they not be fascinating www

Sports are awesome and a great way to meet girls. Of course I mean actually
playing sports. Watching sports is a totally different thing.

>>527
Basically professional athletes have no brains so that can't be helped.

It's like gangsta rappers showing off their bling bling, luxurious car,
making their front teeth silver.

It depends on the sport, of course. Some women are sports fans. I know quite a few who enjoy tennis. The important thing is to appear broadly-educated without being obsessed. Don't quote baseball stats (everyone finds that creepy).

http://ime.nu/photo3.avi.jp/photo/5/298670/298670-1751915-0-6861415-pc.jpg
http://ime.nu/mu.skr.jp/data/img/5939.jpg

I so addicted to football because its so intricated in terms of strategy.
You have to watch video hundred times, memorize those THICK playbook etc....
I mean you have to learn everyday, not just play. This is the characteristic that other sports doesnt have.

>>488

I advise you to stop using here to practice English composition.
You may be feeling good but everyone would feel just disgusted by your long and
meaningless blather.

>>534
Hey, don't be a stinker, please.
I assume no one here has the right to tell anyone what to do.

Freedom is the most important thing wherever you are. Right?

>>532
haha The cartoonist made it intentionally.
I don't understand the last frame.
What's funny about it?

>>533
I watched the last Super Bowl but I don't watch any regular season games.
The strategy of football is complicated. I only know the name, shotgun formation but
don't know what it is about.
>>524
Ahh. I know the manga, although I haven't read it though.

Hmm, I found this video on Youtube.

Anti-America Festival in Pusan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KXMrFFrmi0&feature=related

And according to a Korean poster, quote,

"in the future Korea must beat the U.S.
already Samsung, LG beat Motola Hyundai &Kia also beat Ford,GM
without Korean product U.S is nothing!! "

Funny thing is, for some reason, I have a feeling that I read the same thing somewhere before.
Hmmm...

>>537
Shotgun formation is usually a pass-oriented formation.
The notable difference is where a quarterback stands.
In usual formation, let say I-formation, a QB stands just behind a center and
recieve a snap hand to hand and then starts dropping back.
In shotgun QB sets 5yards away from the center and recieve a throwing snap (gun snap) from the center.
You are able to survey the field throw ball quickly without dropping back
because youre already 5yards behind from the scrimmage line.

The complication is making football fun but hard to approach at the same time.

What's wrong if I'm naked!!!

>>525
Yeah, I kind of enjoying not taking a bath.
The longer I don't take a bath, the more stimulous my body odor gets.
I enjoy the process. lol

This contradicts with what I wrote but I think I'll bathe
tonight because I stink and I can't take it anymore!!!!!!!!!
I hope a skunk won't avoid eye contact with me anymore.

>>539
Thank you for your explanation. It is easy to understand.

>>515-516
thank you for teaching

"chinko"
Do you know the meaning of this word?

>>513-514
Thank you for your respose and sorry for lots of questions.
I was curious. I was curious about how you hand in essays through
multipul application.

As for host family, I heard troubles of Japanese students staying in America.
Some don't get along with host sisters/borthers or host parents and
end up changing host family. it's OK if you stay for a week or two but
if you stay for a year, chemistry with a host family is a big issue.

Thank you for the explanation about taking shoes off, too.
It's hard to imagine, though, when one family' rule is taking off shoes but
on a special occasion such as a party, the owner of a family doesn't require
guests to take their shoes off. You have to clean floor after guests
leave and that's bothering.

hum... I am anoying about a Pakistani.
he requets me to acquaint a Japanese women with him.
I said to him. Japanese women isn't kinda pet animal.

anyway.. I want to get fantastic videos on petsex.com and vho.com.
how do I get all of them?

POSO
↑ let's GOOGLE this keyword !

>>544
Yeah.Yeah.
That means penis.
Do yo know that mean?
You want me to say the word?

>>540

Nothing, I'm naked right now but I just got out of the shower.
I'm about to go get dressed. (Well, I do have a towel around me)

>>548
Oh, thatnks.
I've got disgustful vistim's pictures.

>>523
No one would want to hear such shit.

You better create your own blog.

I'm not interested in your personal life.

Why don't you guys bring up something everyone can discuss?

Chess is a great game, but it isn't very popular in Japan I know, Go is more popular.
However is there any Japanese person here who plays chess?

Let's talk about alcohol since everyone is Japan is an alcoholic.

>>555
>Let's talk about alcohol since everyone is Japan is an alcoholic.
>everyone is Japan is an alcoholic.
>everyone is Japan.

You, sir, seems to be intoxicated.

>>556

One of the first signs of alcoholism is denial.

>>557
I-I'm not d-drunk at all!1 It's time for kids to be in bed!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ3B4kQD-e0&feature=channel_page

Who's version is your most favorite?

I like Lea Salonga the best and I like Susan Boyle's one the second best or third.

I used to drink with friends, but now I drink alone.

But I still have friends :3 I just don't like to drink with them. Honest!

korea is the origin of this universe;) how can u not be proud of it wwww

>>560

That is definitely a sign of alcoholism. I read a few of the informational
pamphlets from a Alcoholics Anonymous group while I was in a church (a rare
occasion).

Drinking alone is such a depressing thing now that I think about it.

I didn't take a bath yesterday in the end. Not taking a bath for 6 days straight
is my personal record!!!

>>552
I want to fill your room with my BO and make you dizzy.
I wish Internet could convey smells.

>>562
I tend not to believe anything that comes from anonymous mouth.

>>562
like all other psychiatric problems, if it doesn't affect your life, it's not a problem.
so I don't know if drinking by oneself itself instantly constitutes an alcoholism.

do all neets here live in japan?
hows all media doin about new flu?

I dont wanna close my ???

>566

Y..Yeah! Exactly this!

If you don't want to be husband of the woman in your workplace, イギリス人,
your second choice would be to get married with Susan Boyle.
She'll make a handsome deal with a record company and will be an overnight
millionaire, billionaire, maybe.

You could quit your job and enjoy NEET status.
Seriously, though, her success reminds me of JK Rawling.
She had lived on government subsidies until she made splashes in literature
with Harry Potter series. What a turn around.

You can be the fisrt man to kiss her. Cheers to イギリス人!!!

On the other hand, do you really want a woman that

1) ugly; and
2) British?

Money is money, I know, but you would think even the NEETs have standards.

Susan Boyle is so fake. I think she is a normal looking person who in trying to get rich
makes herself appear ugly intentionally. I don't know if it was her idea originally, nonetheless
she is doing what she is doing, which is a fraud of huge propotion.

Will the new flu outbreak a sign of the end of the world as we know it? I hope it is.
I think it's better that humans all dead. We are fundamentally corrupt and shouldn't have been made
in the frist place. What do you think?

I'm not too concerned. Everyone's in such a panic over it now that I'm certain every hypochondriac in the world will be going to the hospital at the first sign of the sniffles. They should start catching cases much faster now.

I think human beings are rather awesome, myself.

I had to look up the word 'hypochondriac'.

I agree that humans are fundamentally corrupt and should be
exterminated. If I had a bunch of nuclear weapons I'd do it
myself, I'd probably start with China.

>>574
That is exactly how medical and pharmaceutical companies never go down even in a recession.
Not that I'm saying they started it, but I'm sure they can secure lots of positions because of this thing.

jeez u guys are so dramatic.

I don't think we are overlydramatic but sensible.
If you look at what's going on around the world with open heart, you will see what we're seeing pretty clearly.
Humans should not be.

Yea I doubt this flu thing will be that serious. In the US there have been around 20 cases reported,
but it's been discovered that Tamiflu is effective in fighting swine flu. If the world could handle avian flu
--which Tamiflu was completely useless against--then I'm sure this will all blow over in a couple months.

Don't quote me on that.

ive bought extra food water chocolate masks tents sleeping bag and weed.
that'd do right?

I've just took a bath finally.
I miss my BO.

>>580
You goes to good high school and you are in the final school year
and you got A on your latest Japanese test .

With these facts in mind, is it right to think that you're one of the
best 18-year-old Japanese speakers in USA?

>>583
Oh boy, definitely not. In my Japanese class there is one person better then me and a
few that are equal. Some of these kids took Japanese in elementary school so they had a head start.

And even then we're not very good compared to the US. There are two standardized test meant to be taken
by students of Japanese. The SAT Subject Test and the AP Japanese test. I considered doing taking the SAT version
in November last year, but the practice booklet was too hard for me. My classmates and I just did a practice version
of the AP Japanese test and that ended in failure. We all thought it was impossible.
These tests are specifically designed for seniors in high school who have had even as little as 3 years of Japanese.
I am not good at all lol.

The AP test was only created last year, so there was no end goal for high school Japanese.
This fucked my class over because our teacher was very relaxed our first 3 years of class. For example, my first year it took
most of the class a full year to learn both the hiragana and katakana. That's pathetic. We should have done that in one semester.
Second semester should have started with basic kanji (beyond 1-10). I think my class right now is at least one semester behind
the standard, maybe even a full year. I don't blame my teacher though, she had no incentive to create a fast paced curriculum until
a year ago.

>>581

You sound prepared good sir.

As for me, in an end-of-the-world scenario I'd probably stay inside and talk
about it on the internet. I think it'd be cool to see what happens at the end
of the world...probably lot's of violence.

do you have dramas to recomend?

>>584
I see. I was curious about top notch high school sudents' and your command of Japanese.
Remembering hiragana, katakana and kanji doesn't take brains.
It's just the matter of perseverance and repetive training for the most
part. So trying to remember them intensively as you say might be important.

>>587
Yes, many of the skilled students in my class are disappointed we didn't start learning more
earlier in high school. I plan on minoring in Japanese in college though, it'd be a waste to not
keep learning it.

So I was just reading this article on the NY Times about the swine flu: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/world/27flu.html?hp
The picture shows a thermographic camera being used to monitor travelers at Narita. I guess it's trying to determine if anyone
has a fever. Seems like most countries are taking it very seriously.

>For example, my first year it took most of the class a full year to learn both the hiragana and katakana.

Oh dere. One can learn and memorize all of the hiragana and katakana in
one sitting if you just buckle down and focus.

I think a lot of people just expect to learn by going to class and absorb information
though mindless photosynthesis.

>>589
I wonder why so many Americans assume anyone can learn language in class through osmosis.
Or maybe they know it's useless and just don't want to learn it.
The Japanese are notorious for their "engrish," but still better than your average American's French or Spanish.

I don't quite understand why taking a whole year to learn kana could be understandable.
What would they think if I said it took half a year for me to learn all 26 alphabets
and another 6 months to master the capital version.
And I'm supposed to learn 10 simple words the next semester? How much do they have to dumb down language classes?

It's beyond words, literally. The simple 10 words I'm supposed to know by now can't explain how ridiculous it is.

It took me one week to learn hiragana and katakana and I wasn't even really trying,
no way someone should spend a whole year on it.

>>590

Most of the time it's just a translation error and it happens with every language.

Japs are known as the worst Engrish speakers all over the world.
All they can do is say, "herro" with strong Jap accents that's not understandable to most of us.
In a word, Japs are undereducated. Why are they that dumbass?
Girls all over the world laugh at their horrible Engrish. :P

its true that local japanese ppl speaks horrible shameful and funniest engrish.
i used to be like that and i was so embarrassed myself.
but still, ppl are trying at least so giv them some credit.

i think more japanse should smoke weed to break the shell.

No matter what Japs do, they can't seem to speak decent English.
My American friends say they don't want to hear their Engrish. They also hope
Japs will never open their mouths to speak. And I agree with them totally.
My ears would suffer if I heard Japs speak in a horrible Engrish.

>>594
uhgg, my eyes hurt looking at this Engrish!

LOL@595
You can't tell what Jap's Engrish is like.
Japs can't even read English. But that explains a lot.
If you can't read, then you can't speak.

>>595
Shame on you! He speaks awesome Engrish. :)

Did Japan just wake up?

>>596
Oh, that's better. I don't really get what you are saying, but
at least my eyes aren't hurting now. thanks bro!!

I was watching you while you were sleeping Japan, from the bushes!

>>596
I beg to differ. In my humble opinion, reading is a lot harer than speaking.
If my memory severs me, it is a proven fact that aural/oral language skills and reading/writing skills are different
and that the latter require higher intelligence in terms of brain evolution.
Certainly foreign language acquisition could be different from L1 acquisition.
There are, however, more similarities than differences in them.
Since L2 acquisition is known to follow the same pass as L1 acquisition,
it stands to reason that it is possible for a person who is illiterate in a foreign language to be able to speak the language fluently.

tl;dr Don't be an ass. u r pwn'd.

ニートs wake up around noon in Japan www

>>600
Pervert!

As you know Japanese people aren't good at having positive attitude
to themselves. Self putdown is common.

This is partly due to Japan lost WWII. Or Just it's been passed down in our blood
for ages. Humbleness and reserved attitude can lead to underevaluation.

If we had won the war, we would see less Caucasian people in CM
and no western music is popular in Japan. One thing I didn't understand recently is
when Japan was crazy about World Baseball Classic last March.
One TV station broadcast all the Japan's games. Funny strange thing is
they played American band's tune every time they go to a commercial break.

I don't think many Japanese people even think it's odd. But it IS strange, right?
WBC is an international event and every team plays games as representitives
of their nations. I was like why American band's song?

>>602
No. They go to in bed at noon.

>>604
Sorry, but I think baseball is hardly international.

>>606
Ooops, you're right but you know my point I wanted to make.

>>605
Oh, it'll be quiet here in a short time then w

>>607
Sort of. But I'd say it's a bit of stretch to relate humbleness/reserved attitude/submissive girls/whatever to WWII,
let alone to consider an aspect of our pop culture reflecting it.
Kids these days have not experienced the war or anything related to it.
What kind of young Japanese would care about nuclear bombs dropped on us?
I'm not convinced the Japanese pop culture has something to do with WWII.

Well, of course, I could be totally wrong. But fuck that. I say it's bullshit.
My opinion is better than yours.

>>609
People like you who can't see things in depth don't understand what I mean.
After losing WWII, Japan has been flodded with American culture. If we had win the
war, we could have stopped the influx of things American.
Even if kids nowadays doesn't experience the war, they're influenced by
American culture. If we had won the war, we would adore less blindly things American.

In Chinese, America is 美国, meiguo

They were probably smoking opium when they made that one.

>>610
I fail to see your point. Everyone would agree that the Japanese culture has been influenced by European cultures, especially after the war.
At the same time, however, we have been importing a lot of things, tangible or not, from other Asian countries such as China and Korea for more than a thousand years.

Why do we have to get rid of European influences?
I admit that the sudden influx, though it has been around us for a century to some extent, could be responded negatively by some.
However, I do believe that this kind of viewpoint is too conservative and narrow minded.

You seem to be very xenophobic who claims that, in this time and age, we should be "pure."
In my opinion, what we need to do is unite, not fall apart. Mutual understanding is key to join together.
And being culturally influenced should never be considered "bad." Ever.

I hate to say it, but u r a moron. Like I said, my opinion is superior. Always.

>>611
In Japanese we sometimes write America as 米国.
Maybe we were drunk when we made that one.
米 alone means rice and "sake" is made of rice.

>>611
I don't know when they came up with it, but probably to a country that has more than 40 centuries history,
a baby country aka America was so cute and they believed it would make a beautiful wife.

Not sure why they're still using it, but I'm guessing they're simply on drug or living in a pipe dream.

>>593
>i think more japanse should smoke weed to break the shell.
Hahaha, I laughed so hard at this. Is weed common in Japan? In the US it is,
but I don't think that's the reason we're stereotypically more outgoing lol.

Mom! Look!! I won!!! I won the internet argument!!11!

>>596 didn't respond to ma post for an hour and a half!!!!!!!!!!!
>>601 brought me eternal gloryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!

Mom!! I'm fighting against internet evils!!! >>610, you're next!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

While I'm at it, I am sorry for my bad grammar.
I always make errors here and there unless I am watching my language, which is highly unlikely on 2ch.

>>615
>Is weed common in Japan?

Not that I'm aware of.

>>616
I'd suggest you use your own ID instead of relying on anonymity.
Otherwise no one would understand what you're talking about. i would like to know which posts are yours.
BTW looks like not any one of the Japanese here are using their own IDs, like Americans do.
Are you cowards, afraid to be vulnerable to attack by using your own IDs?

Weed is awesome but japanese people seem to have huge misconceptions about it for some reason.

>>612
American's influences are the biggest, both economically and culturally.
How can you interpret my post is xenophobic?

>>615
If you mean 大麻　by weed, then yes it's getting more common.
Sumo wrestlers, univerisity students has been arrested. It was common
only among people in show business before but nowadays the spread use among
ordinary people are reported. Some university students grew its plant
in their apartment.

>>617
Am too lazy to type a fucking trip. I'm pretty sure I'd forget my code for my trip in one minute.
Hrm, my browser is more intelligent than me so it should be able to remember it.
Alas, I'm too stupid to figure how it works. Well, I guess I'm happy being anonymous.
I don't care if I'm making sense or not anyway. Ignore my posts if you don't like me.

>>619
>American's influences are the biggest, both economically and culturally.
>How can you interpret my post is xenophobic?

So, what makes you think American songs in TV ads are strange?
Why shouldn't they be? We were, are, and will be adopting foreign cultures.
It's too radical for you to accept it? If that's the case, I think you're xenophobic.

Full of Engrish here.

>>622
Care to elaborate?

>>621
>So, what makes you think American songs in TV ads are strange?

You don't even understand my posts.

Any NEETs here? How do you NEETs pay for your rent and food? Your parents?
I'm curious.

>>624
I'm not sure if it's due to my fucked up brain and stupidity or your poor writing.
When claiming a person is misunderstanding your thought, it's you, and only you that can explain it to him.
Thanks.

Do any of the Japanese folks here find baseball as boring as I do? I might just be mad about having to play right field* when I was a little kid.

* Because I was terrible.

>>625
Hi, >>625. It's been a while, isn't it? Is every thing going well?

So, you're wondering what are neets' livelihood. Actually I have a good idea.
You have a mirror, right? Look at the person in the mirror and say, "Are you leeching your parents or what?"

That's it. You may not believe me, but the person in the mirror will answer you directly to your mind!

Take care,
Anonymous

So many wankers today, eh?

Believe it or not, a lot of university students in north america pay their own
way through life. Of course they rack up huge student debts (easily $50,000 or more)
but they don't leech shit from their parents.

>>629
I see at least two of them. You and me included.
By the way, I hate "eh" when said in a British accent. Canadians are ok because they're nice.
But you are not.

>>628
Hi 628さん, 久しぶりですね。お返事してくれて有り難う御座います。
So NEETs just leech from their parents, eh?
I've noticed a lot of Japanese women seem to live a sedentary NEET lifestyle.
They watch DVDs, walk their dog, go to cafés, and if they work it's simple freeter work at best.
I was wondering how they pay rent and eat. I can't ask directly because it's rude.

>>627
I was playing center fileld as a kid, and yes it was boring as few kids could drive a ball to center.
Though, I was pretty good at batting so it wasn't too bad.

>>632
It's not that rude to ask yourself. Go for it.

Right was worse than center just because we didn't actually play with pitching (do little kids use tee stands to hit over there?). So the ball didn't move, and all the kids would smack it to the left.

Except the left-handed kids, but I was always spacing out or looking at ants.

Not a day goes by on 2ch that stupid kids spout nonsense and throw meaningless words back and forth.
Same old, same old, which is fine with me.

>>636
lol I said it the opposite way.

>>630
>Believe it or not, a lot of university students in north america pay their own
way through life.

And after they graduate, will all of them feed their parents? or at least send some of the money they earn to them? Just wondering.
That's the norm in Japan.

Correction:
Just one wanker is making a gigantic ass of himself for some asshat reason. Get a job. Period

>>638

As far as I know, most people aren't like that. My parents did pay my way through school and when I suggested that I'd like to pay them back for it they kind of laughed unexpectedly.

But then my mother said "Well, if you're offering!" I guess I can't blame her.

>>638
No, here it's normal to save up for your own retirement through investment plans like 401Ks.
These savings are tax-deferred and typically their company will contribute to it as well by matching their payments.
This way, their parents will still have an income even after retirement, and won't need any help.

I'm sure anyone would help their parents out if they needed it, that's just human decency.

>>639
I have a job while you have no life.

2ch pays well, eh?

>>638
Parents are expected to take care of themselves by investing money for retirement.
However, if they need financial help their children are expected to provide it.
The parents usually move into retirement homes instead of living with their children.

>>643
I don't frequent 2ch. Why do you think so?

Because you seem like a pro ^^. Mad props to you.

Just out of curiosity, how many of you post on English forums and which ones?
I know quite a few 2ch lurkers/posters are also visiting 4chan. Do you post on other forums too?

I'm usually on MacRumors or 4chan and post everyday. If this thread counts, 2ch once in a while, but rarely post. Just lurk.
I also browse a lot of other forums and blogs but don't post much. It's like only when I felt I really needed to.

How about you?

I lurk at few places but I don't really post anywhere except here.
I don't visit 4chan but I have friends that do,
and they also fantasize about furry animals and young girls.
I feel I'm missing out.

>>648
No. You're not missing anything. Furry is evil and pedo is sinful. Don't even think of joining the rotten community.
it will defile you, rape you in the ass and then turn you a pedo. Not worth it.

>>649
And you're the living example.

>>650
Ah, scratch that. It's worth it.

Hey, guys. I was just curious and don't want to kindle any flame war.
Please be nice each other. Thanks.

>>652
Get outta here, you started it.

One thing interesting about this thread is, at one time, posts
are few and far between and that makes me think not many people are
here, but at another time a flood of postes are posted all of a sudden
and that makes me think lots of people were lurinking.

Hmm. It's been an hour, and I got only one meaningful reply.
I thought this thread was moving so fast today it was the best time to take a poll.
But maybe it wasn't after all.

Sorry, real life things just kicked in and I should get going. I'm waiting for your replies.

>>653
I'm sorry, but I don't know what you're talking about. I just posted it out of curiosity.
Sorry if I offended you.

>>654
My thought exactly.

So, please, please be nice to each other. (I forgot "to" between nice and each other in >>652!)
I hope this will not cause another flame.
Thanks again. Bye.

>>655

Take a poll? I think you are a control freak. I don't like you.
Arrogant. I don't want to talk to you. Hopefully next time you post here,
you use your own name so i can recognize you.

Ah, and thank you, >>648. I was trapped in a morass of angry posts and forgot to say thanks.

Bye.

I wasn't sure if the question applied to me or not, and I didn't want to get caught up in anything.

That and I have too many forums and whatnot to list.

Everyone just take a deep breath, alright? It's all cool.

>>656
Taking a census aka forum poll is fairly common on websites I usually visit.
I am not sure if I gave an impression of arrogance, but if I did, I apologize to everyone.
I don't want to force anyone to participate. So please ignore all my posts if you don't like the idea.

As for using a name, I'll google later how to use it. I have to go now...
I've been a long time lurker, but I am not familiar with 2ch's features such as Name and Sage.

Where is the poll?

Civilized conversation and excellent grammar. Suddenly!

I wonder how many fluent speakers are lurking.

This even kept me from speaking like a retard.

WTF. WTF, 2ch. It's not like you.

in his ass and Whatnot.

i've studied German.

>>660
idk just shoot your favorite sites' name with info about post or just lurk maybe?

Me posts on: *chan, slashdot, macrumor (wtf, other posters here?), etc,
Me lurks on: um..., too many and too NSFW to list.

I smell a Brit.

christ, it flows pretty fast here.
man, using english in 2ch is kinda weird lol

>>615
before WWII, it used to be sold in farmacies as medicine i heard.
but majority of japanese believes marijuana is equivalent to speed wwwww

Wow I never know thread like this exsited in 2ch!

I'm usually on VIP so that's why I hardly ever go another threads lololol

From now on I'm gonna ROM and post this thread too ^^

When sparky was here, everyday was a busy day. It was like one thread per day.
Now this thread moves so slow. It's not like I miss him, but still...

>>667
Whoa. Are you Japanese by any chance?

>>668
Haha, in one aspect, he was a post spammer and you can call him a troll,
but in another, he was useful to keep this thread busy.
If you ask me which I like better, a thread with or withuot him, I like
the latter better. It can't be possible for him to be away from Internet,
so somewhere in this cyberspace, he must be busy with boasting about
his Windows Me PC. I'm not even willing to go and see how he's doing in his own
image board.

So I wonder what attracts lurkers here? If you are interested in a topic
in this thread, you want to jump in the converstation, right? But some
keep lurking?

Are there 4channelers who are in their 30's and 40's?

I know Jook and Christal are lurkig.

Jook and Christal were nice guys. I wonder how they're doing.
When did they disappear? Like half a year ago?

>>670
YEP. I've been in NZ for while so I can't really call myself Jap tho lol

Oops that meant to be for >>669

>>674
I bet you are there on working holiday visa.
Nothing can be learned in NZ in my opinion, except how to shave sheep's coat.
I bet you chose NZ because it's a safe country.

If you have balls, walk in south bronks, shouting "yo nigger, yo nigger."
NZ isn't a place for men with guts. Me? I'm NEET and socially reclusive man
so I have to start with going out ou home. haha

>>674
Chrystal is hospitalized because she ate three bowls of too spicy Orochon ramen and
her stomach was burned.

Jook's PC was infected with PC virus made by イギリス人 and since then
I haven't seen him around.

LOL soz man I'm chicken but I wasn't in NZ with working holiday visa.
I don't think they can even post a sentense in this thread like what we doing right now.

I'd rather not to go in place where so many gansta wannabes hang around,
well there were so many Whigga, pacific islanders and maoris in place like Otara
but I wsn't living in there anyway.
NZ is not that safe country, just things won't come up in media.

NZ is great country for Car&Motorcycle enthusiasts. Slack law lets you drive&ride almost
everything and access to winding roads from centre of town in 30mins.

I was riding my bike almost everyday while studying at uni.
But because of that I failed one paper and final exams mark was bad wwww

>>678
Is it true that many cars in NZ are second-hand Japanese cars?
I heard it somewhere.

Do you know the Kiwi who lives in a ski resort in Hokkaido?
She makes a high quality English-teaching video "EVER DAY" and uploads
it on youtube. If you're interested I'll put a link on here.
She has boyfriend so don't expect to going out with her.

She sometimes do an interview with a guest to the show in English.
You can go there and be on the show.

Hallo bastarz
im NEET
Do u hav any question?

>>679
Yep, and it's RHD so it feels like your in 80's-90's Japan lol
If you go further to the country side you can even see rusty jap imports from 60's-70's
I heard they used to make Corolla in local factory but the quality was
"kiwi quality" www

Ever day? Not Everyday?
Nop I don't know anyone from Hokkaido.
I have(had) Kiwi gf too ^^

>>680
Sup. Where's your money tree?

ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F45unlVDix4
Hey I could only find video like this when I searched for
"english teaching video"

>>681
Typo. every day. It's amazing she films, edits and writing scripts
every day.

What's RHD?

What's the color of your gf's pubic hair?

>>682
Hey, that's a part of a porn video.

>>683
Right Hand Drive i think? LHD should be Left Hand Drive.
So I should search for "EveryDay english video"??

"that's forbidden information" ^^

>>684
I know. Rio's sho cuuuuutttteeeee

>>685
Ahh, Right Hand Drive. I look it up in a dictionary on line and
it says Random House dictionay and I had no clues.

Here are links to some of her videos. She's so nice as a person and as an English teacher.
Amazing. Just Amazing. She's been making videos every day for almost
three years.

ttp://www.youtube.com/user/thedailyenglishshow

Interview version of the lesson.
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55GeM3jqXjM&feature=channel_page

FAQ
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI_bM8HGJc&feature=channel_page
How to make the show
ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szxT9O7MGy4&feature=channel_page

>>686
Thx for teh links, it's pretty cool videos.

She writes cute illustration. Me likeing this video series ^^

Btw my ex's name is also Sarah so as 2profs in uni.
Seems like Sarah is common name in NZ lol

Once I get fulltime job and have bike I'll go touring to Hokkaido
and might drop by eh

I wanna collect blond pubic hair.
I'm not pervert.

>>687
I knew you'd like her videos.

>>686

You guys can actually understand what she is saying? I have to listen real
closely to hear what the fuck she is saying because she has such a weird
accent. For a while I thought she was speaking another language besides English
until I turned up my speaker volume and heard that she was actually speaking
English... just speaking it really weirdly. I hope not all Aussies speak like
that.

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>>689
I reckon Kiwi accent is the most natural sounding English,
coz it "doenst have" any accent compared to American or Pom or Aussie.

Aussies are the wrost, I was in there for while but it's totally different language.

>>689
I'd have to admit I don't understand all of what she says.
Sometimes I don't understand just about 60% or so.
But the reason I don't understand some parts aren't because of her NZ accent
but the speed at wich she speaks, I think.
I think her shows aren't for begginers.
But she writes down each and every words she speaks in a blog so if you don't
understand or catch some words, you can always check scripts.

She's not Aussie but Kiwi. Don't say you didn't know Kiwi means
New Zealanders.

Woahhhhh I missed quite a bit >_> oh well.

To back up to the question about where other people lurk, I lurk on
4chan's /a/, /mu/, /g/, and sometimes /jp/ boards...not much else xD

I used to be a very frequent poster at www.totse.com but the BBS there
is no longer up.

I used to lurk a lot more on 7chan, 99chan, and wutchan.org.

>>693
This isn't a chat room so there's no such things as "missed" or
anything, you can always response to any post. That's the beauty of
a forum.

The only forum where I write in English is here. My writing skill owes
this thread. But if someone asks me where I practice writing, I tell
him about other forum. Because I don't want them to know I frequent 2ch's
board. Some people have a negative image to 2ch and this thread is
pervertish and I'm one of the posters who post pervertish things.

Anyway, I'll hit the sack.

>>694

I'll be watching you, from the bushes.

If it makes anyone feel any better, I'm an American with kiwi friends and I find her accent nearly impenetrable. It's not bad, just has a bit of a drawl that throws me off.

Of course I say that, yet I'm from Texas. But I don't really have a Texas drawl like most people there do.

>>696

Japan should be waking up right about now, but the NEET's are still asleep
so be quiet.

>>693
It shows.

Is 4chan operated by the same people as this?
I can't seem to log in to 4chan. I wonder what's wrong.
Is it that I'm being rejected?

>>699

4chan is run by the 19 year old Moot who still lives with his mom and
spends his free time on IRC chatrooms or attending anime conventions.

>>700
Oh thanks. So he is a Japanophile or something? Looks like he named
it after this site.

4chan was created as a place for moot and his friends from somethingawful.com to upload porn, then it grew from there.

He is definitely a japanophile.

Morning guys ^^
Omg I have job interview at AExN this afternoon.
Hope I get this job :p

>>703
Don't tell me you teach English with your horrible English proficiency.

>>700

Also he brings his fresh new iPhone to barbecue dinners in Manhattan and then skips out on the check.

Jerk.

Oh wow, I've been looking around on wikipedia at various historical battles
like I do a lot and I've recently started looking at the "Imjin War":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imjin_War
Yea, it is an absurdly long and detailed page.

Yea, this wasn't written by Koreans or anything. What is even more hilarious
is the linked battles on this page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Okpo
Under casualties for Japan: at least 50 ships, around 4000 dead soldiers,
numerous captured
Under casualties for Korea: One wounded

I'VE NEVER LAUGHED SO HARD AT A WIKIPEDIA ARTICLE BEFORE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sacheon_(1592)
Under casualties for Japan: every ship that fought in battle
Under casualties for Korea: four severely wounded soldiers,
Admiral Yi was shot in the arm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Haengju
Under casualties for Japan: 10000
Under casualties for Korea: Unknown

Yea fucking right. I should probably bitch and moan about this
on the wikipedia discussion pages... but I don't feel like actually
doing anything about it.

I used to post a lot on 420chan.org as well as 4chan's /g/ (technology) and lately /jp/.

>>701
4chan is a clone of 2chan.net, which in turn is named after this site.
And yeah, moot's definitely a Japanophile. In fact, he's the one responsible for
popularizing the word "weeaboo."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/03/27/earlyshow/saturday/secondcup/main4897915.shtml
(Her high keys got hoarse partly because it was early morning. Maybe that gave US
audience bad impressions.)

How many people here know Utada Hikaru will release her second album
in US? Her US debut album fell flat with sales of just over 50 thousand.
Some say it's just the matter of marketing.

I think she'll just get popular among Asian Americans. I can't imagine
white girls'll be crazy about her. what do you think?

Asian americans are mostly chinese americans and they get only get crazy over Jay Chou, sorry.

>>708
WHAT? she sold 50 THOUSAND in US ??????

Wow that's something.

>>710
Her goal at the moment is to become popular in US, hopefully to the
level of Maria Cary or Beyonce.

50 thousand is just a small number compared to her sales in Japan.
It's not a success.

She is trying to sell her second album much more with more honed
marketing strategy.

Pop music is rubbish. Absolute trash. My aunty sings a more melodious tune
than pop singers.
Any music from 1990+ is rubbish.

Pop music is meant to be rubbish. If it's NOT trash, it's not Pop music.
It might as well be a classic music.

>>707
Do you toke, brother? 420chan's purpose is pretty obvious lol.

Hey, did you guys hear? moot is Time's person of the year: http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/04/27/time-magazine-throws-up-its-hands-as-it-gets-pwned-by-4chan/
Basically some crafty 4chan users figured out how to exploit the Time's online poll to *completely* manipulate the results.

>>714
The Rain, a famous Korean guy all over the world, was chosen as the most influential person of the year
on the internet. He's popular all over the world. It seems girls on this planet couldn't resist temptation
to vote for him. The poll showed that girls in the world have absolutely huge interest in Korean guys.
I'm proud of it. :)

http://web.archive.org/web/20020927175311/http://www.zakzak.co.jp/geino/n-2001_12/g2001122205.html

http://web.archive.org/web/20021116075703/zakzak.co.jp/geino/n-2001_12/image/g2001122205time_b.jpg

>>714
The same thing has happened before. 2channelers tried to make Masashi Tashiro
to be the Time's Person of the Year and he won.
What is tashiro famous for? Check for yourself.

Do Japanese university-aged people (either students or NEETs) play internet poker? I read a lot about nerds in japan making
a killing on the stock market, what about internet poker? Or is it illegal in japan? You can still open an international
bank account probably. It's a solid way of making money for nerds.

Korean guys are considered really amazing all over the world. The news says that Korean Wave makes all the girls in this world enthusiastic about Korean guys.
Those girls say they want to marry a Korean guy because K guys are masculine, smart, self-confident, and gentle to girls. Among those girls, American girls are especially
mesmerised with Korean guys. American girls love those characters of Korean guys. They say Korean guys are all lookers, so how could they decline invitations if they are asked out by
Korean guys, who has what American girls hope for men? And Korean Wave has invaded Europe as well. European girls doesn't want to be kept out of the loop, so once American girls
started the Korean guys are cool campaine, they followed suit. Like virus, Korean guys popularity spread among the girls all over the world. Interestingly, after Korean dramas
were aired in Africa, African women has been crazy for Korean guys. It's really surprising. No Korean guy didn't think they would become popular in Africa, where most of Korean guys have never been to.
But I must admit to you I'm really proud of it. :)

Playing internet poker is really a solid way of making money, nerds or otherwise?
Is it real? I highly doubt that.

The vast majority of (winning) players won't live off their winnings or anything, but poker, especially
no limit hold'em, is 50% math and 50% perception. There's no luck involved because you play so many
hands it all evens out, so as long as you put yourself in mathematically favorable positions, your long term result
will be positive.

Plus it's really fun.

Nerds are supposed to be smart, but actually there are two kinds of nerds.
Nerds with high IQs and nerds with low IQs.

That's true, but poker needs dumb people (who think they are smart) to play it as well.
Somebody's gotta feed the sharks.

does anyone want to sell me weed?

Too bad, if you were here in canada, people would walk up to you offering to sell you weed at night.

>>723
Grow your own.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq_harvest.shtml
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_faq_growlight.shtml

【日韓】浅田真央選手をコケにする韓国TV番組〜それに爆笑するキムヨナ選手…サーチナ（動画あり）[04/28]
http://takeshima.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/news4plus/1240885065/

I'm a nerd with a lower-than-average IQ. I don't know what to do with my life.
I don't want to be ripped off by smarter people than me.

Why did you Japanese keep your advance?

LOL I failed 2nd interview XD

>>729
So you stay NEET?


Debbie Rocks!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmUN4cuFpoc&feature=related

Zapping it throughhhhhhhhh yeahhhhhh....

I'm going to bed.
good night

>>730
Meh I got part time job atm.

>>733
Quit it and become a NEET.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWXSkgStqls
If you guys have thirst for a Japanese musician, check this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L96CYwnU-Ho&feature=related

Don't you think the voice of this vocal unique and good?
When do you think this song was made?

If it wasn't for school or my job, I would probably be a NEET. I don't
really go out unless I have to, is this a bad thing? =/

My job is with computers so it's not like I even really talk to people there.

Some days I wish I could just stay home and browse sites like http://moe.imouto.org/
for hours :3

>>736
You're just an indoor person who don't like hang around with people.
But you have the traits that can lead you to NEET. Be cautious.

When you visit a website you often see a flashing banner like thing.
"You are the "1000000th" visitor congratulations!" This banner isn't put
on by the website owner, right? How does this happen?

A website is a collection of files and these files are stored in a sever
as far as I know. So a person nothing to do with the website invades into
the site and add a file that enables the website to display the banner?

I once clicked that kind of banner and was led to another sight where
I was asked to write my personal information. I ignored the sight, of course.

>>737

What happens is an ad company will pay a website owner to display
ads on their websites, the owner can not really choose what sorts of
ads they put on. So, often times these ads are put there by the companies
randomly chosen out of a pool of many ads.

what the fuck is wrong with 420 price in jp?
g/fukkin 6000. who's gonna pay?
this is bullshit.

I only like being around certain kinds of people. Gargantuan black women
who resemble elephants make up the majority of the population here, so
I don't really go out too much.

When I was living in Chicago and Ohio though, I went out a ton because the
people there were cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP2WMVTU8sM

What do you guys think of this video? This guy is pretty funny. Here is
he talking about how people in Japan take forever to say goodbye.

>>741
That guyt again... He must be your favorite.

I don't know why exactly... Maybe he speaks so fast. I don't understand
what he' saying much while the guy who reports his life as ALT in JET
program is easy to understand.

Read my lips, stop shooting a video in working hours.

Hmmm, three more cases of swine flu in Sacramento.

That's closer to the bay area than Los Angeles. I hope it doesn't come any closer.

I spoke too soon.

Reports just came in about two cases of swine flu in Marin County.
That's across the bay from me.
Please don't come any further south!

>>738
Thank you for your answer.

When in fact, "You are the "1000000th" visitor congratulations!" are
false information that lures visiters to another sight for online fraud
or something, the owner of the website should do something to stop the banner.

If I'm not wrong, I think I have seen such banner on youtube before.
Not recently.


>>744
You don't go out often so you have less chance of getting infected...
Oh,,,and long time no see. I have lot less chance to get infected. Different
from you, I don't even have to go to university. My fort is this house.

>>741
Aha ha ha. He's right on the money. I'd love to do 5-min-n'-wrap-it-up,
but I'd look like a super cold, impersonal, unkind and rude Japanese.
After all, we're Japanese and have to say good-by for 20 minutes. FML.

>>736
You might be interested in this: http://loli.pant.su/
I think you already know that site though.

>>746

Oh god I didn't know about that O_O Thanks so much, I bookmark'd it
faster then Odin riding his Norse chariot through the gates of Valhalla.
(Do you guys get it? That's obscure even for English people lol.)

I only knew about moe.imoutu and some danbooru like sites, but this site
looks great.

For thanks, I offer you one of my favorite pictures.
http://i44.tinypic.com/o9g19c.jpg

I'm afraid I'm going to have the police bustin' down my door if I look at any
of these pedophile websites. A christian nation does not approve of such
indecent things.

>>747
I'd nom nom the delicious topping, if you know what I mean.

>Odin riding his Norse chariot through the gates of Valhalla.

I think I heard of them but don't know who Odin is or what Valhalla is.
To me, he's just another mediocre god riding a chariot. In Japan, he slices mobs in a flash, if you see what I mean.

>>748
Chris Hansen: Why don't you have a seat over there?

>>748
Muslims don't eat poke, and Christians don't eat lolis.
While we are enjoying peace brought by Buddha, you two won't stop killing each other claiming that infidels are immoral.
Christians are so hated they got suicide attacks every single day.
Even airplanes hit in the buildings. I bet they'll nuke 'em in return.
The world is fucking hilarious with those arrogant retards lol

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The above comment does not represent or describe thoughts or beliefs of the poster,
nor is it supposed to. Anyone who takes it seriously or personally is a helpless idiot.

>>734
I am almost NEET coz I'm not getting much shifts than I wanted to...

But I need lots of money for my hobby(motorcycle) and my parents
arent rich enough to buy me one like other NEET who have
Ita-tansha.

>>752

I know a few people who have died from riding a motorcycle. You should be
careful. Crashing on a motorcycle, even if you are going slow, will probably
send you to the hospital. Skin is not very tough when compared to pavement.

8^)

I saw this emoticon for the first time.

NEET shouldn't enjoy bike riding. They shouldn't have any hobbies that
costs money. All hobbies NEET like me can have is savoring their
Body Odor. It doesn't cost anything. You can save water and electricity/gas
bills to make water hot.

Today is the third day since I took a bath last.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrdCZt4q6g8

He's from UC Berkley Japanese literature major.
One or two year since graduation. Now his band wants to cut a deal with
Japan's major record label. He's cool man.

I hope　アメリカ人 'll be as fluent as him in four or five yeears.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozSF13Xr8T8&feature=related

I like this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x39aubHrH5g&feature=related

rediculous

Korean guys are considered wonderful among girls all over the world.
I saw a lot of white girls comment on Korean guys as being hot and sexy online.
They are all true. I admit Korean guys popularity lies mainly in their appearance and looks
for the first timers. As they get to know more about Korean guys, however, those girls start
to mention how fantastic Korean guys are inside as well. They're romantic, smart, well-educated, and really sweet.
The result: The more white girls know about Korean guys, the more they love Korean guys. It can't be helped.
I'm proud of it. :)

>>759
A typical Japanglish.

"I admit"? pu! (lol)
"It can't be helped."? pu! (lol)

I've had enough of this kind of boring English composition.

>>760
I don't know what you want to say. I'm a Korean who speaks fluent English.
Seems like you are just jelous of Korean guys. If you want to know more about
Korean guys, check how popular Korean guys are on youtube. Girls all over the world
claim they want to have a Korean boyfriend. People say Korean guys are like white in Asia,
probably because they are gentle to girls.

I have the right to use this board as much as I like. Like everyone does. I should let everyone know
how popular Korean guys are all over the world.

Or should I say Konglish?
Anyway everything you spit out here is an indicator of how brain dead you are.

Japs are unpopular all over the world. That's true.
You are a living proof. Everyone has the right to post anything here as long as
it's written in English here like I do in fluent English. I'll let the world know
how very nice of Korean guys are. And your English isn't as good as you thought it would be, Japs.

>>761
Yeah Korean guys can rape girls very gently

>>764
What the fuck?
I don't give a shit about ignorant idiots like you. Japan is famous for porn videos.
Japs don't have the right to say anything like that. Japs spread shitty porn all over the world. kkk

>>765
you like those porns for sure lol
go fuck yourself dickhead

I never thought I'm fluent, but do you really think you are fluent?
Don't you know people here are all laughing at you and your English?

>>765
your english is exactly japanese english.
even junior high school student could understand your english.
you must have low IQ and be childish.

He's a Korean guy from England.

>>749
Ahh that reminds me, I really need to finish FFX I stopped playing a long time ago.
It was so boring that I don't care if I get spoilers now.
That said, I'll probably cry when I finish it.

>>747
Norse mythology is used a lot in animes and mangas, so an otaku would definteily get it.

>>768
Hmm? I have no idea why you think so. Students can understand me, and I'm Japanese?
Damn it, I should have written something trickier so Jap students couldn't get what I meant. lol

( )＊( ) usual asshole
( )●( ) after he was imprisend...OMG!!!

( )＊( ) ＜oh〜ken suck my dick,lick my ass〜

Sorry i said too much. I admit you write excellent English, but I'm just sick and tired of you
telling us the same thing over and over again, day in day out, about how nice Korean guys are, etc.
Tell us something else please or I'll dub you the "brain-dead" Korean guy.

>>774
( )＊( )＜forgive and forgem
bye

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoIwegzzFsA&feature=related

These video soothe your tentions.

>>770
If it's boring, why are you playing it? Isn't the purpose of games to have fun?
Why not try reading a book or something?

hi 2ch, I kind of missed you...

>>777
Sometimes, even if a game is boring, there is a small obligation to finish it.
Because finishing is better than giving up, right? I guess it's kind of useless though, if he doesn't care either way if he gets spoilers or not!

I think I stopped playing FFX around the time you fight Seymour for the last time.

I also stopped playing FFVII right when I got to the final boss battle with
Sephiroth. I even went to the trouble of getting that Knights of the Round
summon to beat Sephiroth... and then I just quit once I got to him. Weird.

>>779
Maybe you just didn't feel it was worth it after a while. xD
I get that sometimes. I'm liable to give up a game if I go through a lot of trouble to do some sort of mission for a couple hours, then get a game over without saving. =_=;

One sad thing is, American people don't have the chance to play Sora no kiseki (legend of heroes 6).
It really is a fantastic game. Good story with attractive characters.

>>780
There're several kinds of i-pod.

i-pod classic, ipod touch, ipod nano, i-pod shuffle... there's i-phone, too.

And, I think you like ipod nano best, you know why. ^^
Don't be scared.

>>781
What kind of game is it? RPG?

>>782
;)

>>777
Well I should've been more specific, it's the gameplay that was utterly boring.
Story got boring too but not entirely, as there are some things I still want to
know about and I definitely want to see the ending.

>>778
Yeah that's exactly it, you know what I'm talking about. Obligation. Lol

>>779
I think that's where I stopped playing. The battle where you fight Seymour and
some dark stuff merged with him.

>>781
Why Americans?

plz somebody hlp me
unko ga denai no de suyo

>>783
It is. Do you want to have a look at the official site?

>>785
It's that Japanese games have some market there.

>>786
Drink spoiled sour milk and in a minute, you are free from tons of poos
in your bowl.

>>786
Drink a cup of extra virgin olive oil.

>>788>>789
thx！
i've been constipated for three days..oops sorry it's dirty subject.

Korean guys are considered stupid among girls all over the world.
I saw a lot of white girls comment on Korean guys as being boring and disgusting online.
They are all true. As they get to know more about Korean guys, however, those girls start
to mention how stupid Korean guys are inside as well.
The result: The more white girls know about Korean guys, the more they hate Korean guys. It can't be helped.
I'm proud of it. :)

yo odin let me ride that chariot

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i be ridin a horse, fool
i dont got no stinkin chariot

>>793
these pigs are plotting a swine flu attack! someone call the police

everyone is making a huge fuss over swine flu

i know some of my relatives have bought a bunch of food and crap they
don't need in preparation of a quarantine or something even though
there hasn't been an infection in their state yet.

NEET is the strongest when it comes to epidemic.
Why bother preparing for potential spread of the flu when they don't go out.
No contacts with people makes them free from infection.
Although staying home without exposing themselves to sunlight and
decent amount of exercise might weaken their immune system so that's a disadvantage.

Other than that, NEETs is the ones who survives.
NEETs know survival tactics like cockroaches has survived Ice Age.

>>792

Made me lol.

>>797

Wouldn't that be more a hikkikomori? NEET's can still go outside, they
just don't go to school or have a job. But a Hikki can not go outside
unless it's like 3 in the morning, but even then maybe it's hard.

>>798

But a NEET doesn't have any leisure money, he can only afford the cost
of living. Therefore, he can't afford to do anything outside. Also, since
he doesn't have a job or anything, he can't meet people so he doesn't
know anyone in real life. He doesn't have an excuse to go outside.

>>798
>Wouldn't that be more a hikkikomori?

That's right. Thumbs up. I didn't expect you guys to know the word, "hikikomori" so
I settled for "NEET" instead. Hikikomori don't work so you can call them
NEET although in some cases, NEET have friends while in almost all cases,
hikikomori have no friends. Serious hikikomori don't go out of the room
and even don't talk with their parents.

So, what's the word for hikikomori in English? I have seen "Socially
withdrawn person" or "socially reclusive person."

>>799
Good explanation. But some NEET have done a part-time job in the past and have a little bit
of saving and some have social life.

>>800

Actually, the only word I can think of in English is "Hikikomori"
we sort of...took the word, in anime circles anyway. If it was maybe
a psychologist describing a person like that he might say "acute social
withdrawal" or "anti-social" even though anti-social means more criminal
in behavior.

>>801
I see. As you say, anti-social might not be a suitable word because
hikikomori don't disturb anyone outside of their house.

I wonder why hikikomori is known in anime circles overseas?
Are there any characters who is hikikomori in anime?
Or anime fans overseas have some traits similar to hikikomori and
they are sensitive enough to get to know the word?

I believe the closest English word for hikikomori is "hermit".
I think hikikomori implies that the person is withdrawn on account of some
kind of mental disorder, while hermit is just someone who never goes out because
he is a misanthrope or just like peace and quiet.

Hikikomori......
Someone don't go out to school or job.
Why?
That one doesn't get hurt.
There are people who like to hurt others,
who are responsible for making someone unable to lead its life.
Who's responsible?
We are because we don't assist the hikikomori to speak out its mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62jzAupr044

This thing is insane. It is a system which launches counter missiles towards
any enemy missiles.

This system would be pretty much useless if it fights a vehicle with the
same system. I'm not sure if this is on any armored vehicles at the moment,
but both Israel and America are spending a shitload of money to get it ready.

>>805
I don't quite understand why some people think weapons intended to kill tons of people are cool.
It doesn't matter if it's a defensive means. IMHO, war is horrible, terrible, and immoral whatever pretext you'd make up.
It's homicide. Killing people for a political or religious reason can't be justified.

It's funny to see Americans ban child porn while they allow those supposedly cool military related things on the internet.
I do think pedophiles and predators should die in a fire, but military fanboys are way more disgusting.

It's my personal opinion, so don't take it personally.

>>806

None taken. You're right. There is logic to what America does, though.
The government wants people to volunteer for the military, so they promote it.
They make it look cool and heroic through all kinds of advertising. Christianity
doesn't like pornography, so politicians try to ban it in order to gain
more popularity.

>>805
Is it the same technology applied for anit-ballisitc missle?
I heard it detects heat of missle and counter attack.

In early april commotion against North Korean missle/satellite launch
must have been a topic in America. It is getting a technology which enables
bollistic missles to reach America.

On that occasion Japan deployed vehicles that carried anti ballisitc
missles. Weapons are something to kill people but technology itseld is just
amazing. Fighter jets, battleships, Aeges ship are all to kill people
but technologies used for them are just mesmorizing.

Phase 5!!

It is toward summer.
Influenza spreads wide in winter.
It is strong in cold weather.
It is weak in hot weather, isn't it?

2ch is 10 years old.

>>811

...And?

>>802

There is an anime called "NHKにようこそ”and the main character
is a hiki.

>>804

I'd sort of agree with this, some might say that resources are in
place for people to help themselves. http://www.new-start-jp.org/

>>804
I do feel sorry for hikkis sometimes when I think about. Usually they are driven to that state for some reason, usually bullying or high expectations...
But also, It's the hikki's responsibility to persevere and better themselves.
They have a right to live a beautiful life,but they are wasting it away. It's very sad. It is society's fault, but the hikki person also needs to strengthen their spirit.
Maybe I don't understand their problems well, as an American, but this is all I can say from what I know so far. >_>;

on the subject of military intelligence, this thing is very frightening! ;_;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1czBcnX1Ww

>>814
H-How do I defense myself when I'm chased by that doggy?! Will it stand up by itself if I turn him upside down?

Korean guys are absolutely popular among girls all over the world, especially in America.
American people find Korean guys very fascinating because they love masculine, self-confident, and smart guys.
As a matter of fact, they pay a visit to Korean towns in order to find a Korean guy to date. As you know, American
girls are also a self-starter, so they don't waste any time to go out with a guy. American girls and Korean guys love
each other. This trend spawned a new wave. Europian girls started having great interest in Korean guys. They know Korean
guys are considered white asian, so they expect Korean guys to choose Europian girls as their girlfriends.
It's not surprising, of course, considering the popularity of Korean guys in America, Korean Wave and Korean high-tech products.
You know, American people can't live a single day without Korean high-tech products and Korean guys now, and I'm proud that Europe will enjoy being
together with Korean high-tech products and Korean guys. :)

>>815
It's scary isn't it? ;_;
I wonder what they plan to do with it... Or if they'll make really big versions!

Korean guys will come rescue you, so don't worry. Korean guys are gentle. :)

>>818
aw, that's nice to say. xD
But American girls are tough, we don't need rescuing. ;)

American girls should make use of any situation in order to be with Korean guys.
American girls are aggressive and Korean guys are romantic. They are meant for each other.
American girls are interested in Korean guys. Korean guys won't ignore their desire to be with Korean guys. :)

fuck off korean!

>>814
Wow! How creepy. I've never seen it before.
The technology used in it is great. It loses balance but it gets back
to the way it walks right away. It can walk in any terrain.

Probably, They equip it with GPS and load it with a bomb and make it
get to a target? It doesn't get tired. I doesn't get hungry, althoguh
it requires electricity or something.

Once they know where Bin Laden is, they can use the dog-like robot.

>>817
No worries, pretty soon you can buy this online.

http://bbs63.meiwasuisan.com/bbs/bin/img/arms/12199264670060.jpg

We must not get Cheinese and Korean into Japan.

>>824

Yea, really, Japan is a relatively small archipelago and already has a shitload of people on it
(with a high cost of living). The fact that a bunch of shitheads come over and overcrowd it even
more must be pretty frustrating.

oh, by the way. I know a few people here like trance, drum n' bass, techno,
jazz, electronic jazz, etc. I've been listening to this online radio for ages
which is fucking fantastic for that sort of music. they play real quality stuff
here: http://somafm.com/

if i had a lot of money, i could buy a new mobile computer.

>>826
The moment you click on this link, your new music life you've never experienced
before will start. I mean it! Here comes new music sensation!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XSGqO7vwk

Enjoy your new music life!

Noriaki is too cool to comprehend.
I've never see such a man.
He has overwhelming sense.

Of course. He is da man.

Today's new vocabulary: archipelago (ark-pEluh-go).

I think I heard it once or twice but didn't bother to look it up in a dictionary to check the meaning and spelling.
So, it means a group of islands, doesn't it? I kind of knew the meaning intuitively,
but now Tennessean used it referring to Japan, its meaning and usage are clear.
I even learned the spelling.

Even if you forget to come to this thread, don't forget that
Noriaki is da REAL.

"NORIAKI IS DA REAL"　This is what is inscribed on イギリス人's ipod.

I came here to rescue you.
You don't have to worry any more.
But Fukuhara lost the game in ping-pong tornament in Yokohama.
So I couldn't help her.

>>812
Celebrate it?

I don't understand Otaku's mentality.

Sure, I watched anime when I was a kid but as I grew older I watched
less of them. I haven't watched anime since middle school.

As for manga, some adults read manga even in their 20'sand 30's
even if they aren't Otaku but regarding anime, no Otaku watch it
in their 20's and 30's. There are manga for adults. The story line
evolves around workplace and all.

I also don't understand why otaku want to collect figures after they grow up.

>>835
No reason why We love them

Some say watching anime is otaku's way of escaping from reality.
What do you think?

Some otaku can't love women except female characters of anime.
I really don't understand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rYFcOdyaOU&feature=channel_page

Tennessean, shoot a video like this and share it with us.

It's soooo "Uho!"

>>768
exactly japanese english, what?
go fuck yourself, ba---ka!

shut yo trap bitch?

i love fishing.

I thought I'd post some songs from 1999 to commemorate 2ch's anniversary,
but couldn't find good memorable songs, aside from a few Dragon Ash songs.

Zeebra's rap in this one is legendary.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFbxUsihSEI

>>835
"but as I grew older I watched less of them"

I don't like the way this part sounds. Does it sound right to you, native speakers of English out there?

>>842
Oh, that was a song from 1999.

They can't beat Noriaki in any way.
I don't like the way they move their hands like Black hip hoppers.
They imitate Black rappers and think they're cool.

Noriaki redicules them and tries to imply how they look stupid by
making himself pretend to be a Japanese rapper in his legendary video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XSGqO7vwk&feature=related

Back in 1999, I had no real interest in English language or foreign culture, (except computer games)
but I remember watching this several times a day. It was just too catchy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POEzC0UMVxM

>>835

I also don't like the comma after "Sure,".

I don't like the way it sounds like compositions for TOEFL.
I hate the way you write.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djc8sk4gG74

I bought a CD of Cher's album back then.
"Believe" was a heavy rotation.

Techno-like music and her singing skills led to a big hit.
It's like Akiko Wada featured by m-flo.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tad61jOKdUQ

>>They imitate Black rappers and think they're cool.

You can sum it up in one word: Pathetic.
Sometimes they are worse than that. I really hate Japanese rappers.

>>846
What's wrong with putting a comma there?

I can't believe you guys hate Japanese rappers (esp. Zeebra)
after this totally ghetto video. You are the one who is pathetic. You talk to the fuckn sponser.

This
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux6R36ib0Fc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLM3JQuLwuA&feature=related

This video is hillarious.

This song was HUGE in Europe back in '99,
topping the charts in basically every country:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA52uNzx7Y4&fmt=18

I think this less successful track by the same band
has aged a lot better, though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A65Ok9WjOdE

>>853
The song was heavy rotation here in Japan, too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUjo9O4mA3M&feature=fvst
This song was played very often on the radio. But it was from 2000 not 1999.
When I first watch the music video, I was impressed with the spread of Japanese
animation worldwide.

>>854
Yeah, Japanese anime suddenly started to become a lot
more popular around here in the late nineties. I guess
it's because of the internet becoming more widely used.
Other than some stuff I watched when I was a small kid,
this music video from 1997 was my first contact with it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbQCf8F1JsE
Ghost In The Shell also was the first full-length anime movie
I watched, because I googled for the name
of the movie used in that video -- ten years later.

Daft Punk is a french group right? France's otaku history is long.
I read somewhere that they were already otaku long before North American people
started to appreciate anime. I think thats why Daft Punk likes Reiji Matsumoto's old school art.

Speaking of rap and anime, you've all probably seen Kanye West's "Stronger", right?
It samples a bit from a Daft Punk song.
The music video's pretty much one big tribute to Akira.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1978469
I'm pretty much addicted to Nicovideo now.
I can't go back to YouTube: compared to Nicovideo, YouTube's video quality is...

On a side note:
I've seen a few sites dedicated to translating Japanese music into English.
Are there any good sites that are dedicated to translating English music into Japanese?

>>857
Tetsuoooo...
It's funny the police footage is about Yasukuni shrine dispute.

>>857
I tried googling, but there no good music translation sites.
Instead I found a Yahoo Answers sort of webpage saying it's illegal to upload lyrics
(including translation) to a website. I don't know if it's true. It's stupid yes.

>>859
Ah ha ha. I don't know what it's like in Japan, but in most
English-speaking countries Yahoo! Answers is thought to
generally be a cesspit of stupidity.

Anyway, maybe it's something that's technically illegal, but
that people are rarely charged for?
Otherwise, you'd expect all these sites like azlyrics, sing365,
lyricsmode, and lyrics007 to have been shut down by now.