Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 200

Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 200
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( ´･ω･) Let's have some green tea and chat!
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Previous Thread:
Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 119
http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1227021253/-100

Hey!!! you NEETs, nerds, YouＴube-link spammers, pedophiles, neo-Nazis,
Yukorin enthusiasts, Nanako SOS admirers, Part-Time-Preachers,
Diplomats' spoiled sons, losers who can't remember Kanji characters,
Big-boobs fans, Weeaboos from all over the world, learners of Japanese
who are too lazy to update their Japanese blogs very often, and cunning
linguists. And Let's pray for the rehabilitation of the Internet-addicted
housewife.

Here is the place to have a blast!!!!!

Why are we going straight from 119 to 200?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=epalv5-YQX0

This is helpful in learning English and this person is good!

Japs are so dumb that they can't do math.
Korean guys would be ashamed of themselves should they make this kind of simple mistake.

>>1
You idiot.
This should have been #120.

Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 120
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( ´･ω･) Let's have some Earl Grey tea and chat!
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Previous Thread:
Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 119
http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1227021253/

Hey!!! you NEETs, nerds, YouＴube-link spammers, pedophiles,
Yukorin enthusiasts, administrators of deserted forums, Korean morons
Diplomats' spoiled sons, losers who can't remember Kanji characters,
Weeaboos from all over the world, learners of Japanese
who are too lazy to update their Japanese blogs very often, and cunning
linguists, And Let's pray for the rehabilitation of the Internet-addicted
housewife.

Here is the place to have a ball!!!!!
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The above is better.

So where were we?
Talking about masterbation or Heros or what?

Mashi Oka is the only person who speaks decent Japanese.
His collegue looks like a Japanese but his Japanese sounds strange.
Maybe he's Korean. In Heros2, you see the actor who plays Mashi Oka's
girlfriend. Her Japanese is perfect because she's Japanese and her former
carrer was a Idol singer. Believe it or not, she is in her thirties.
Late thirties, maybe. She threw away her career in Japan and moved to
USA. After struggles to bulid her career there, she got the role of Mashi Oka's
girlfriend. The winner of the miss Universe in 2007? or 6?, who is Japanase
took the same audition but she couldn't get the role.

This is a video when she was a idol singer.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=E5mjFSwvCOk

She makes apearance in Dragon ball movie, too.

ゴメンゴメン間違えたわ
許してくださいまし

>>8
I'll accept your appology if you take off your clothes and run in your neighborhood,
screaming "AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH" until someone call the police.

Needless to say, I refuse your proposal. Sorry.
I want to be arrogant but what I'm anticipating is
you guys forgive me without giving me any punishment.

＊I don't want to be arrogant
sorry again

誰か次スレたてて＾＾；

>>1
The reduction in the number of posters here shows how dumbfounded and appalled they were.
You must be expelled.

>>7 I wonder why I don't remember the girlfriend from that season... Maybe
I thought she was a sister :P The only one I remember him liking romantically was
a blonde girl in one episode who had the ability of learning, and she had learned
Japanese. Her pronunciation was pretty bad, but I still thought that was a pretty
good episode just because I wished I could learn Japanese so easily! Even if it
isn't real, a person could dream. ;)

You people still doing the same thing.
I'm just wondering that there is nothing what to do except criticize ando.
You people are really miserable.
It's good to make a fan of you people for killing a time

>>14
Have you ever seen your reflection of ugly face into the mirror?
I guess you would not have ever.
I suggest not try that so if you would be trying to see your reflection, you could be stunned to death.

I never feel superior to you loser.
Do you know why?
Because you people are lowest kind of people who has nothing like a money, friend, intelligence, sense of humour anything.
On the other hand, I have many thing what you people don't.
I just feel sorry for you loser, that's why.

>>16
Ouch, that hurts! It especially hurts because you know what I look like
and you are a close friend of mine, so your opinion of my appearance
really matters to me.
Also your grammar is perfect!

</sarcasm>

Breaking news! Michael Burks quit ANSWP!

<お詫び>

Sorry please forgive me, everyone who inhabited this thread once.
I made a mistake when making this thread; I wrote a wrong number.
I tried to rebuild the thread sequel to Part 199, but in vain.
All I can do now is just to apolosgize my fault or I can do nothing.
If you cannot surpress your outrageous feeling to me, please beat me down.
I will bear no matter how hard you hit or kick me.

>>20
How dare you say that?
You have such audacity to post here again.
You were supposed to be banned.

>>21
どうでもいいけど、次スレたてて＾＾

Next thread will be 121. Keep on notifying this and especially heavily
after 900 posts.

>>18
Don't feed the troll. :)

>>20
I am assert that you're M (masochism).
The more you are accused, the more you feel good.
I know you are almost in ecstacy.

Korean Wave reached Japan.

とりあえずこのスレは使うんだな。よし分かった。

>>24
Sorry, couldn't help myself. Trolls amuse me sometimes. :P

>>23
Lets just hope the other native English speakers find the new thread.
It can be difficult to navigate 2ch if you don't know much Japanese.

>>28
I don't think so.
You can search for the particular threads you want by using the searching function on your computer,
and it's real easy, isn't it since you don't have to use kanji and/or katakana and hiragana - the title of the thread is written in English.

An American student decided to learn some greetings in Japanese before
his first visit to Japan. He noticed Ohayo (good morning) sounds smiliar
to Ohio and actually it was easy for him to remember.

When he got up on the first morning in Japan at his host family's house,
he greeted every family member with a smile.
But all of them looked puzzeled when they heard him say the greeting.

Because he said all of them "Oklahoma!"

>>30
aso

>>14
When Hiro was in feudal Japan he met that girl. Heroes is great but the quality has gone down since the first season don't you think?
The new episodes are starting to impress me more though (I missed last night's episode, have to watch that later...).
I especially like when Hiro and Ando speak in Japanese because it's usually pretty simple and I can understand it lol.
>>28
It's not hard once you find this board, but yea it took me a good amount of searching.
>>30
>actually it was easy for him to remember.
>he said all of them "Oklahoma!"
I liked where the joke was going but it kind of fell apart at the end there.

I like better the system for television shows that other countries have--
There seems to be an unspoken assumption that a show won't be picked up for another season after the first season is over.
Well, sometimes they say "series" instead of "season", but you know what I mean.

Anyway, American television shows operate thusly:
They slowly become crappier and crappier until they are too crappy to keep on the air.

It's sad but true.
At least, it's my opinion. I admit that I'm cynical.

People are really impressed by the Japanese CEO who cut his own salary:
www.digg.com/business_finance/Japan_Airlines_CEO_Cuts_His_Pay_Earns_Less_Than_Pilots_VID

+ add Korean morons, and administrators of a deserted forum.

OK NOW WE CAN START

まルこ#j-6Bu~IT
http://l4cs.jpn.org/gikopoi/flash/gikopoi116_gen/flash_gikopoi.html
http://16chan.b33r.net/sparky4/16/_gen/
http://16chan.b33r.net/sparky4/16/q/

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>>28
difficult to impossible

Hi Sparky, this may have been asked before, but why are you using Windows Me?
I heard it was even worse than Vista.

http://16chan.b33r.net/my%20pictures/+MEEEEJAPANESE%20ARE%20INSANE!.JPG
it is my 1st os
if you install something incompatible with windows me you just get an ERROR message
http://16chan.b33r.net/my%20pictures/+meeeeNTSUCKS!.bmp
if you install something incompatible with vIsTa
then
YOU KILLED VISTA!
you are screwed BY NT

i simply do not like the nt kernal as much as the
HARD
OLD
DOS
CORE
of
Windows Me

How about OS X? I'm using macbook and it's pretty good. Besides, it's cute.
Anyway, Unix based OSes are much more stable than NT and DOS, don't you think?

Windows me is:
- Light weight 400MB for the whole thing
- VERY FAST fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff
- BOOTS EXTREAMLY FAST
- SHUT DOWN AT THE SPEED OF LIGHT
- 100% DOS SUPPORT * AWESOME DOS GAMES OF THE PAST AND PRESENT
- i can run Windows 1.01 and Vista can't ! (IT SUCKS)
- STILL COMPATIBLE WITH MANY MODERN APPLICATIONS
- IT CAME WITH COMPY4
- I CANNOT DOWNGRADE (TOO RISKY)
- IT IS JUST PLAIN AWESOME!
- STILL USEFUL AFTER 8 YEARS
- EASY TO FIX (if it will not boot up to windows me then reinstall a fresh copy over the old one)
- and i simply like Windows Me ^^
. Windows 4.90.3000 ミ田

>>40
>I'm using macbook
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
i like unix
I HATE MACS

>>40
>I'm using macbook
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Hey, mac isn't bad. Really. I like it. What made you hate mac?

44 GET

also

Mac os X is a rip off of Free-BSD

i hate it when people take free code and turn it into copy righted stuff AND THEY NEVER SHARE(ex. 4chan yotsuba, Mac os x)
nothing makes me rage more than that than PEOPLE USEING MACS!!!!!!

ALSO 44 GET

By the way, may I ask how old you are, Sparky? I always thought you were very young.

>>44
they think they are better than pc
but to tell you the truth
THEY ARE EQUAL in the modern world (not the old schoolin world)

but to be honest

They are simply not my style
They are too simple
They are not technical like PC (Hardware)
They are not flexible (can't install other OS easyly next to primary os)
WTF IS WITH THE 1 BUTTON MOUSE?

They are simply not my style.
DOS, OS/2, GNU 4 life!

>>46
2/27/1991

17 years old

2+2+7+1+9+9+1=31
3+1=4
sparky4

Oh, I didn't know 4 had a special meaning.

As for your favorite OS, wasn't OS/2 released before you were born?

>>45
I dislike macs only because of the price point. Apple can sell high because they're the only retailers.
The hardware and OS are top notch, it's just I'd rather sacrifice some of that to get a better performance to price ratio.

My only gripe with Apple is the number of options. They sell only few models and
we can't have many options for drives, cpus and whatnot.
Macs sure are expensive when compared with the same spec PCs,
but I think mac is kind of luxurary items while PCs are supposed to be business computers to some extent.

PC is that flexible and customizable car

I'm not a mac user but still like them because a used powermac was the very
first computer I bought myself. Though, I remember it was incredibly slow when
processing large files in some applications. They're still unreasonably pricey I guess.

>> Cornelius Crubblegold
You'll be ronery forever.
>> Lord montivan crackleshaw von laystenstine
SO RONERY!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
http://kei.iichan.net/b/src/1228266964339.jpg
【sparky(4 ^ヮ^)】 ミ田 = shota

from left to right lolis

Loneliness,

Real life,

THE MASTERMIND: Homework,

and
LOL English Internets.

This is my life right now.

i had several suicide thoughts and ALMOST several times LOST IT to NEGATIVE INSANITY.

-- 【火花(4 ^ヮ^)】 ミ田

Let me teach you how popular Korean guys are among girls all over the world and why.
Asian girls love Korean guys. Even the Jap girls are infatuated with K-boys.
Europian girls can't take thier eyes off of Korean guys.
American girls love to marry Korean guys.
Korean guys look amazing and stunning, and are really nice to girls;
they are gentle to them. Actually, Korean Wave has been rippling all over the continents
in the world, making girls living there facinated with Korean guys.
In a word, the internet let girls know who the princes are to them.
I'm quite sure this tendency will last forever.
I'm rly rly proud of it. :)

If you want to meet Korean guys, search on the internet. You'll be satisfied with
a dreaming sensation. ^_~

>>56
http://16chan.b33r.net/sparky4/16/kr/
Korean board!

http://kei.iichan.net/b/src/1228266964339.jpg
【sparky(4 ^ヮ^)】 ミ田 = shota

from left to right lolis

Loneliness,

Real life,

THE MASTERMIND: Homework,

and
LOL English Internets.

This is my life right now.

i had several suicide thoughts and ALMOST several times LOST IT to NEGATIVE INSANITY.

-- 【火花(4 ^ヮ^)】 ミ田

>>55
How old are you?
If you are in your teens, people may think that your stupid activities resulted from
your immaturity and may forgive you.
But you are an adult, I cannot help laughing.

(whether what you're saying may be true or false, it doesn't matter any more.)

>>58
look at
>>48

Ok, let's get away from the Korean talk and sparky's drivel for a bit.

>>59
No no, I already know your age and I have asked you before.
You are 17 and dude

>>59
OOPS NEVER MIND

I THOUGHT YOU WAS TALKING TO ME ^^;

I'm 18, but I wouldn't have guessed Sparky is 17...
We seem to be the youngest, I'm pretty sure the other native speakers are in college.

sparky smells like ネオ麦茶. He was much 2ch whole though.
Google ネオ麦茶.

>>63
Hey! America人さん. I have a question. Have you shot a gun?

oh, You don't even know how ネオ麦茶 acted like.
Sparky is just posting for fun.

>>65
Haha, yea I have.
Stereotypical isn't it? One time was at a summer camp (.22 caliber sport rifles) and I've been sport clay shooting before (shotgun).
Perpetuating the stereotype... Sorry America. I don't own or plan on ever owning a gun though.

Have you guys ever been to Seoul?
Seoul is chosen as the best sightseeing spot by Chinese and Japanese people
all because it's mesmerizing. Needless to say, American and European people
want to visit there. That explains quite well how popular Korean Wave is.

>>67
Yes, it's my stereotype about Americans.
If I remember correctly, prime minister in Japan had played clay shooting before.

In my opinion, not owing a gun is good, because a gun is dangerous not only for human beings
but also animals.(;_:)

I don't even think sparky is going to do crime thing.
I meant he has only teenage psyche.

My stereotype about Japan is hentai porns, high suicide rate, strong racism.

Does every family have a football in America?
I mean, the oval one.

I don't think American in 2ch and 4ch are an athlete type.

I'm gonna skip a post when I see a word Korea or the like in it.

By the way, the spammer seems much better at English than the average poster in here.
Guess your intelligence doesn't matter when it comes to learning the language.

>>71
That's correct. Take racism in Japan for example.
Have a look, and you'll know hidden truth of Japan. :)

Do you like Japan? Japan doesn't like you! Racism in Japan
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=a_hrDsW-gzY

please teach me about this thread's summary in three sentences.

Talk about guns, I've heard that gangsters are legally registered in Japan
is it true??

>>75
This is the thread where posters improve English through practice to the extent that they can say, "Sum up this thread in three lines," instead of some crappy engrish.

OH NICE ENGLISH

>>65 I don't think I ever shot a gun... My dad took me to a shooting range
once but I'm not sure if he let me shoot. I don't wanna own a gun or anything,
just a taser, lol.

>>69
Having the experience of shooting guns has actually led me to respect their destructive power much more.
Before those experiences, I'd only seen guns in video games and movies/TV so when I was little guns were always associated with entertainment.
Clay shooting though especially opened my eyes to how dangerous guns are. Shotguns have massive recoil and you can break your arm if you don't hold it properly.
I actually bruised my chest from firing a shotgun because the kick-back is so strong (and I was a bit scrawny).

So if anything, I now have a more negative attitude towards guns. It's too bad that there's so many guns in the USA that trying to ban private gun ownership is almost useless.
If the government does ban guns it doesn't prevent criminals from easily getting them on the black market.
>>76
The Yakuza have quasi-legal business practices. Often they invest in legitimate companies and even real estate.

Do you jog or exercise regulary?
Americans have to jog not to get fat and pump iron to get muscular, especialy
male to attract grils.

>>81 I don't jog because I have asthma. Lately my exercise has been WiiFit
and riding my bike to school every other day or more. I also walk around
campus a lot.

>>71
>My stereotype about Japan is hentai porns, high suicide rate.
same here
>>70
possible

>>72
hmm most houses do have a football

>>80
Yeah, guns are dangerous but for children they look attractive toys.
When I was a child, I eager to shoot a gun and this is
mostly due to video games and movies.
I think guns are used too many times and people are killed too easily Holly wood movies.
I'm not sure but this is causing bad effects on children.

Oh, it's high time to go to university!
See you later.

Oops
->in Holly wood movies
->this may be

>>72
I have a football as well, only because it was a "goodie bag" gift from a party.

Why ordinary americans have a look like a football

Japanese girls don't shave their underhair except when they wear swimsuit.
Some don't have to even shave it as long as it doesn't get out of swimsuit.
Do American girls shave it on daily basis from an aesthetic pint of view?

I asked because I read somewhere American wrote that Japanese girls
have bushy underhair and they should shave it. Come to think of it,
American girls looks like trimming their underhair although all I saw
was a porn star on the Internet.

Some Japanese porn star shave or trim it but I don't think ordinary
Japanese women shave or trim it except as I said in summer when they
wear swimsuit.

What about Europe? Why are you comparing with pornstars?

>>83 Do they? My house doesn't have a football, but then again I only live
with my mom. My dad is disabled so I doubt he has one at his place.

>>84 I would guess you meant "It's time to go to class!" or "I should be heading to class by now!"
Instead of "It's high time to go to university!" When you say you are going to go to university
it means more that you plan to enroll in and attend a university some day soon rather than that you
need to get to class because you will be late otherwise. High time to is a good expression, but it's
a little old in my opinion and not used that often. I think it is more used for when you want to say
it is necessary to change larger things in life such as "It's high time you get a job young man!"
or "It's high time you go out on a date. You have been single for too long" Also you pretty much always
say the phrase "high time" with a proper noun or pronoun after it, rather than "to".

>>88 I don't think most women do unless maybe in swimsuit season as you said. Otherwise, maybe some
slutty girls who have many partners, or girls who have partners that care might do it.

>>83
>>86
So, you have a football.
It's rare for us to have a football.
Although, it's quite common there's a baseball glove and all that if
there's a boy in your family. Father and a boy sometimes play catch.
Is it common American father and his male kids play catch with a football
or dad theach the kids how to tackle and all?

>>86
Goodie bag is new to me. I googled and its a bag with various things
in it given for a present to someone? If so, the football you have
isn't a real size one but miniture size? The smaller the football is,
the more difficult to throw because it's difficult to give it a nice spin.
I know from my own experience when I throw a foot ball a bit larger than
a baseball. My American friend, whom I almost lost conatact with has it in his home.

>>90
> I don't think most women do unless maybe in swimsuit season as you said.

Oh, that's the case. I got the impression that even ordinary American women shave
or trim it when I read the posts by American.

>>92 I don't. I had one friend that did it because her boyfriend liked it and I guess she did too a bit.
It's not really discussed much, but my guess would be that most women don't. Most all women shave legs and
underarms but that's it.

Korean girls usually shave their pussy.

American girls love to make theirs look cute and clean so they do, and I love them so much.

Japanese girls grow their pussy hair in order to impress us by how bushy their pussies are.

>>93
Then, the situation is the same as in Japan.
Ordinary women don't do it...

I did some one night stands long time ago and I was surprised to find out that
one of the girls saved all of her underhair. She seems like a girl
who sleep with a man almost randomely and one of her sex friends told her to do so.

I used condome and have tested HIV negative so don't worry.
Her underhair began to grow a little bit so I had urge to aske her to
let me shave it again but I didn't aske her and I didn't
ask her in detail why her underhair was shaved. lol

Xone of the girls saved all of her underhair
Oone of the girls shaved all of her underhair

>>91
Maybe it's common, but I've always had a baseball glove and played catch with my dad.
Yea, it's not a full size football but it's not made out of foam like the one you probably played with.
Too bad you lost contact with your friend =(.

Btw, this debate about pubic hair is priceless.

>>97 lol... If it were actually 'saved' it would be VERY strange.

I heard some ordinary men shave his pubic hair to make his penis look longer
but this might be just a myth, too.

I can't imagine hairy girl. Are they normal?

This hair discussion reminds me of the famaous Don't-Shave-That-Hair pasta on 4chan...

I was wondering if you guys could help me out with a sentence in Japanese I wanted to write.
I am talking about a restaurant's name and I wanted to say: "Orochon means bravery in Ainu."
or "Orochon is the Ainu word for bravery." I need it to be a simple sort of sentence so I can
understand it. If you use kanji please give me the hiragana as well. This is all I could come
up with for the sentence. I got stuck on how I should put it together with good Japanese grammar
to mean what I want it to mean. Can I use the word いみ (meaning)? I'm sure it is easier than I
am making it to be. Thanks.

オロチョンはアイヌ語...

>>101 Are they normal? ... Do you only see girls who are under the age
of puberty? You must be a pedo to be asking that question. Perv! ;)

Is it tough to be verign in America in their late teens and early twenties?
Like peer pressure and all that?

In Japan, it takes kind of courage to say you are verigin to your friend.
Veriginity of girls used to be admired but things have changed now, even some girls feel
ashamed to be vergin in their late teens and early twenties.

>>102
Do you think English learners will be able to appreciate it?
Impress me my Japanese friends, read "Don't Shave That Hair!!!": http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/lax/35274458.html

>>103
＞オロチョンはアイヌ語...
You are almost there. I'd say, like,

オロチョンはアイヌ語で、勇敢(ゆうかん）/勇気（ゆうき）という意味です。

or

オロチョンはアイヌ語で、勇敢(ゆうかん）/勇気（ゆうき）を意味します。

>>103
This is what I came up with (I had to look up bravery - 勇).
オロチョンはアイヌの単語（たんご）のための勇（ゆう）です。
Not sure if that is the correct usage for のための....

>>106
Whoops, I was a little late there, forgot to refresh the page...

>>103
I'd say, "「オロチョン」とはアイヌ語で「勇敢」という意味です。" if I were to mean "Orochon means bravery in Ainu."

Here are the kanji in the above sentence:
勇（ゆう）敢（かん）
意（い）味（み）

You can omit "と" between 「オロチョン」and は so it reads "「オロチョン」はアイヌ語で..."
とは is often used when you're introducing a word/notion that you think listners are not familiar with (and that you know that well).
That said, the difference between とは and は in this usage is very subtle, so it may be better to always use は; it's better to err on the right side.

Orochon is the Ainu word for bravery."
オロチョンは「勇敢さ」というアイヌの言葉です。

>>106 Thank you!
>>107 Ummm.... I don't really understand yours...
>>109 Thank you for your explanation of that usage of と I think I will
use it without it though because I want to stick with things I have learned
or could have looked up easily in a dictionary. At this point in my learning
I don't need to speak perfect Japanese but it is always good to learn.
>>110 It seems that translation is probably a bit too complex for me so I will
stick to the other one. Thank you!

>>111
I just learned のための which can be used for describing the purpose of something.
I guess that doesn't really fit here.

>>112 lol ... no need to throw in new grammars just because you learned them :P
I could probably make a full sentence out of new vocab and grammatical structures
I learned this year. It doesn't mean I should though... :P I'm sure it would make
no sense.

I have learned about "for" as limitting scope of the right before word.

>>105
Ah, thanks. I was looking for the pasta on my laptop, only to destructed by lolis.
I lol'd hard when I read it on /b/ years ago.

>>110
That sounds a little awkward. If you want to use アイヌの言葉, then I'd say
「勇敢」はアイヌの言葉で「オロチョン」と言います。
or 「オロチョン」はアイヌの言葉で「勇敢」を意味します。 or the like.

>>112
If you want to use "のための,"
「オロチョン」はアイヌ語では「勇敢」という意味のための言葉です。
or 「オロチョン」はアイヌ語では「勇敢」という意味を表すための言葉です。
These expressions have the connotaiton that オロチョン will never mean anything other than 勇敢 though.

>>115
You seem to make a free translation of it much.
I only wanted to know a usage of for in japanese.

>>113
lol yea, I just saw a possible opening and went for it and mostly missed XD.
Although >>115 managed to work it in lol. I'm so confused, there's been multiple ways to say this.
>>115
Ah thanks, that helped me a lot.

>>105
I read it and the writing has elaborate depiction and actually is funny.

But there's one thing I don't get. Call me a wetblanket.

He spread his butt in front of a fan and it smelled really bad to the
extent that he was almost vomiting. Isn't that because his anus is just
loose enough for his luquid poo to leak from it? If so, that can't be a
reason why you shouldn't shave your but hair. At least pre teeens don't
grow their butt hair and still they don't have any trouble.

The ventilation function of the butt hair and the annoyance of having the texture of a brillo
pad part are convincing reason why you shoud not your butt hair though.

>>117 Well at least you have the courage to try, not like me, haha...

One more question before I go to bed. What would be the best way to say "level of spiciness"
"ぴりぴりのレベル”or "スパイスのレベル" or something else？　At the restaurant I am writing about (Orochon) their
ramen has 9 different levels of spiciness。Not spicy to really really spicy. I guess it would be helpful
to know how to say both of those levels too.
Thanks again.

＞オロチョン will never mean anything other than 勇敢 though

You probably did'nt see a dictionary.

>>116
There's no such thing as literal "translation." It only means acurate babelfish or a human-aided dictionary.
Definitions in your bilingual dictionary and grammar text are chosen so that they cover more cases than other equivalents,
but, in reality, those literal definitions seldom if ever work because a word in one language shares
part of meaning of each of billions of words in another langauge.

You seem to try to understand a language through another tongue. That sort of learning is failure prone.
I can tell from my own experience and a plethora of learners who speant years and got nowhere.

I don't mean there's the unique, efficent way that works for everyone.
If anything, I believe grammar books and dictionaries are one of the most important items.
But when it comes to translate a sentence, I don't think I should stick with them.

>>119
It would be easier to translate if you give me the whole sentense, but...

I wouldn't go as far as to say "ぴりぴりのレベル”or "スパイスのレベル" sounds strange.
I would say ”辛さ（からさ）の度合”or ”辛さのレベル”

>Not spicy to really really spicy

全く辛く（からく）ないレベルから、激辛（げきから）レベルまで

激辛　might not be in your dictionay but we used the word often
when describing a level of spiciness and it means extremely spicy.

When I went to a curry shop, their employee asked me "How quality of being spicy would you like"
They are naming their level of spice "ichi kara, ni kara..."

>>120
I said if he used the phrase in that way, it could mean "オロチョン will never mean anything other than 勇敢."

Do you want me to say what I mean in Japanese?

I don't know but maybe I'd better make a correction although I think
you know what I mean even I don't correct it.

Xwhen describing a level of spiciness
Owhen describing the extreme level of spiciness

>>121
あ？だったら最初にawkwardとか言うなや。
別にお前にケンカ売った訳じゃないし。

No spicy please, Orochon!

Orochon reminds me of Dan Shinya.
If you understand what I mean, then you are Japanese and at leat 35 years old and older.

I need a race-based civilization that is answerable to white people only.

Hmm... I guess 辛さ conveys the sense of "level," but you can say "ぴりぴりのレベル”or "スパイスのレベル" too.

>>122 already mentioned 激辛, so I'll give a few illustrative sentences you may hear in the restaurant:

You can choose the level of spiceness.
辛さをお選びいただけます。

How do you like your ramen? (Pointing at a spicy chart or something)
辛さはどういたしますか？

The most spicy one, please.
激辛でお願いします。

Anyway, I like "ぴりぴりのレベル.” It's cute.

dan shinya! you must be quite old. lol
Dan shinya looked like some base ball player...
I can't recall the name. Perhaps hiroshima carp's player.
Yamane? Yeah, Maybe Yamane.

http://danshinya.com/
Wow, He is still alive. I assumed He was dead. LOL
Sorry!

>>120
I bet you've never looked up "see" in a dictionary lol

>>132
http://blog.livedoor.jp/swimmer_test/archives/640129.html

Come to think of it, he looks like Yamane.

How old are you anyway? I always thought I was the oldest poster in this thread...

>>122 So weird... See, I thought I had learned 辛い　was spicy but I wanted to
double check it in my dictionary... so I did and it wasn't there. Then
I tried looking it up on an online one with the same result, so I guessed
I was mistaken and tried some alternatives. My mistake was looking up "spicy"
and not 辛い. Can I use "辛いのレベル"?

I am describing the menu of the restaurant. I want to say,
"The Ramen （contains the sections） soup type, level of spiciness,
and extras. Then I plan on saying The soup types are x, x, and x.
The levels of spiciness go from not spicy (利尻ラーメン) to very spicy
(Special #2) The extras are x, x, and x.
Most of this, I already know how to say, just the spicy levels, etc. are
a little more complicated. I appreciate your insight as to what is the simplest
way to get the point across.
I think I will go to bed now and wait to see your responses in the morning.
Thank you!

--- By the way I have to compliment all of you learners, because often times in this thread it
can be easy for me to forget that you are not native speakers. Your English is
very good :) Even Native speakers make small mistakes on the internet,
so I am used to a certain level of mistakes. A lot of the times a post by a
non-native is virtually indistinguishable from a native speaker.
I am speaking of posts like >>121 >>128 >>131 >>132 ... these are not all though.

Anyhow... Goodnight everyone!

>>136
Sweet dreams.

>>135
I'm almost 40. You?

>>138
I'm 29.

I don't think >>121 is non native.
She's S-chan if I'm not wrong. Don't ask who she is because I don't
want to be bothered explaining.

Whiskey is not a suitable substitute for rum when mixing drinks.
I think this is an important lesson I've learned tonight.

>>139
Sounds like you were born yesterday to me.

>>136
Me thinks 辛さ is the simplest word that means level of spiciness.
But, like I said, "ぴりぴりのレベル” is much cuter. Some customers may ask you what exactly it means though...

>>140
Don't know what you're getting at, but I'm Japanese. English is definitely not my first language.
What makes you think so? Who's S-chan anyway?

Whatever, read my post again and you'll find a few errors and realize how poor my wroding is.

１２１ですが、私日本人ですよ。しかも２ｃｈに書き込むために
わざわざ見直しなんかしないのでこまごまと間違いしてますし。
S-chanって誰なんだろ。聞かない方がいいのかな。

>>144
I don't think so. Your posts could be included in Crystal's examples of people who could pass as native in their typing.
In fact, >>144 is something I could easily have said myself, typo and all (wroding)

>>142
I don't think a 40 year old is that old. It's just you're a decade older than me.

>>145
Haha, wroding! I don't take a second look before posting on 2ch. Besides, my spell checker doesn't work on my 2ch browser.

By the way, are you using normal internet browser like IE to surf 2ch?
I use firefox when I browse 4chan (that's why I'm immune to stupid typos when I'm on 4chan),
but some 2ch borwsers are awesome and it offers a whole lot more than 4chan add-ons can.
I use mac so I can't help you if you're using Windows or *nix, but I'm pretty sure not a few posters in here are super knowledgeable.

I use firefox. It watches for typos.
I have a couple of greasemonkey scripts that add some extra functionality to 4chan. Haven't seen any for 2ch though.
I suppose that would be because the developers don't worry about foreign language sites.

Anyway, this is the second time I've heard mention of a 2ch specific browser. What's all that about?
I might give it a try and see if I can work with it. Probably my Japanese skills aren't good enough.
I certainly can't understand most of the Japanese around the site.
It's the kanji that get me. Probably I could understand much more if I had kana to help me.
I'm have a really hard time with kanji.
Hey, Japanese-tachi. Why couldn't you all have abandoned the Chinese characters once kana were developed from them?
It would make it easier for foreign learners, that's for sure. :p

Gah! I made a few errors in such a short post (>>147).
Guess I better proofread my post before hitting "Post."

>>149 again, there was nothing about your post that made it seem unnatural or foreign.
Really, I find your English impressive. I hope my Japanese can reach this level.
The only thing is, probably you would want to say something like "quite a few" instead of "not a few"

>>43 this post is screwing up the formatting of the entire page.
Sparky's long string of characters didn't wordwrap, so now my browser thinks there is something to scroll and see off to the right.

>>144
S-chan is a native English speaker who is fluent in Japanese and
often posted in Japanese--->English translation thread. Now
she landed a job in September and since then she has posted
far less often than she used to. Actually, I haven't seen her around lately.
Her Japanese is so good that her posts in Japanese is like those of native Japanese speakers.

My English proficiency isn't good enough to tell your posts from those
of native English speakers. That's why I thought the post was S-chans.
She translates Japanese boys love （やおい？）novels into English in
a Internet Boys love novels fans community and has her opinion about
translating things. In >>121, you write about what translation is about
so I thought you were S-chan.

You are the guy who said you were a 4channeler and tried to post here
both in English and Japanese?

It's 1am now, and my bed is calling. Goodnight all.

>>146
A decade is a long time. When you couldn't speak あいうえお、I was in the
forth grade and was able to read kanji, calculate and run in my school
ground very fast. ^^

>>150
Oh, you flatter me (this is a phrase I learned from my dictionary. I've only heard this once or twice in real life. Does it really sound natural in this situation??).

>probably you would want to say something like "quite a few" instead of "not a few"
I write academic papers everyday (that's what I'm supposed to do) so sometimes
I make a slip and say that kind of phrase out of habit lol

As for your Japanese, I'm sure you can reach this level. Everyone can.
You just don't know how hard my English sucks.

Anyway, I believe practice makes perfect. That's why I'm here!

>>153
Good night.

>>154
In the end, it doesn't matter. when you become too old to walk, I can't run either.
When you can't breathe any longer, probably I can't think.

>>152
I don't lurk or post on other 2ch boards. Actually this thread is pretty much the only place I post on, so I didn't know who she is.

By the way, I don't like translation. I suck at it. I can express myself spontaneously
without much obvious searching for expressions in English.
But translation is another story...
Maybe I can do better than the average learner, but I don't bother to translate manga/anime/doujins for free lol
I won't read yaoi anyway!

>You are the guy who said you were a 4channeler
I was the guy who whined about trolls in the learn-English-with-dubbed-anime thread
when I came to this thread last month. And, yes. I frequent 4chan.
Bilingual posting is a nice idea and I'm more than happy to write both in English and Japanese unless others find it annoying.

>>136
>The levels of spiciness go from not spicy (利尻ラーメン) to very spicy

辛さのレベル/辛さの度合は、利尻ラーメンのように全くからくないものから、激辛のものまであります。
The above is kind of like word for word translation, which is true to the
the original sentense but for some people it might not sound perfect.
For better Japanese I would say as follows, meaning the same thing.

辛さのレベル/辛さの度合については、利尻ラーメンのように全く辛くないものから、
激辛（げきから）のものまでいろいろあります。

辛さについては様々（さまざま）で、利尻ラーメンのように全く辛く（からく）ないものから、
激辛（げきから）のものまであります。

-----------
"辛いのレベル"? is wrong.

>>158
> I can express myself spontaneously without much obvious searching for expressions in English.

That's great. It's not that easy in my case.

I didn't understand exactly what she meant by this in >>136.

"See, I thought I had learned 辛い　was spicy but I wanted to
double check it in my dictionary... so I did and it wasn't there. Then
I tried looking it up on an online one with the same result, so I guessed
I was mistaken and tried some alternatives. My mistake was looking up "spicy"
and not 辛い. "

I know "辛いのレベル" is wrong, though.
If you have something to say about my post >>159 or you translate
better than mine or whatever, please feel free to do so.

>>160
>I didn't understand exactly what she meant by this in >>136.
Ah, that's a typical native speaker's wording that may confuse learners.

I think multilinguals and advanced learners have certain consciousness of human
language
so, in general, their writing style in their first languages is different from that of monolinguals
(I bet your Japanese is different and easier for non-native speakers to undersand).

I'm not saying her wording is poor or anything. She's a native English speaker and
her English is way better than ours by a factor of a trillion. Probably better than your average American.
Her post was perfct, I think. But it's not surprising some of us find it difficult to understand what exactly she meant.

The key is putting yourself in her shoes. What would you think, when you looked up the word in a dictionary, if you were a Japanese learner?

My English is next to nothing when compared with hers, but if I were to say the same thing to non-native speakers, I'd say:

See, I thought I had learned the English equivalent of 辛い was "spicy" but I wanted to double check it in my dictionary... so I looked up the word but couldn't find the translation.
Then I referred to an online dictionary, only to find the same result, so I guessed I was mistaken
and tried some alternatives such as hot, sharp, and pungent.
The catch was that I was looking up "spicy," not "辛い";
you can't find 辛い in the list of Japanese translations of "spicy" in your average English-Japanese dictionary. It only says "spicy" means 香辛料がきいた, 趣がある, きわどい and the like.

Note on >>161 in Japanese:

spicyって日本語学習者が使う英和辞典（つまり我々の使う和英辞典に対応する）で調べても
辛いとは載ってないと思うんだ。きっと、「香ばしい」的な訳語しかないと思う。
偶然辛い香辛料のせいでspicyなときで、なおかつ使った香辛料を話者があまり
意識してないときにしか「辛い」って訳されないもんね。
きっと彼女が使う和英辞典の方には「辛い」で「spicy」って載ってるんだろうね。

日本語スレッド？

>>163
No. Read >>161 and you'll know why it needs Japanese tranlsation of the second half.
It shows the difference in wording when you say something to native speakers.

162 and the latter half of 162 say pretty much the same thing, but >>162, which native Japanese would have no trouble understanding, is shorter and difficult to understand for non-native speakers.

Let's have fun talking in Japanese and help English speakers develop their fluency in Japanese.

>>165
I think they can find a plenty of Japanese posts by native Japanese speakers in virtually any other thread on 2ch.
If you're saying we attach translations of our own English posts, then it's another story though.

I don't know why I said "A plenty of"...

>>161
You've got a point there. Probably you're right.

Anyway 辛いのレベル is worng. 辛さのレベル　is the right way of saying.

>>166
Oh? On what ground do you think they've had fun with that?
Just so you know, they still have trouble understanding Japanese
like some of them had a problem searching for this thread.
See >>28. They are interested in learning Japanese. They are eager to
say something in Japanese, but can't mostly because of mental blocks
like "if I make mistakes, Japanese people laugh at me" kind of thought.
But it'd be comfortable being here for some obvious reasons.
That is, the posters in here, even Japanese, have the capability of communicating in English unlike other elementary learners
such as those who are only preparing for the TOEIC exam and are here to search for and exchange information on the exam.
I believe it'd be more fruitful to use this thread like that.
That's what I based my thought on. What do you say?

>>168
That kind of mistake is common among learners of Japanese.
Such as おいしいな食べ物, おもしろいの本 and what not.
Personally, I find them quite cute and Ok coz there's no problem understanding them.

BANKAI!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>165
I'm happy if Japanese learners could get some knoledge of Japanese.
But here is not a place where people learn Japanese. It's quite opposite.

>>170
Yup. Even advanced Japanese learners who know difficult words make
such mistakes. That shows learning language isn't just the matter
of remembering difficult words.

>>169
Me thinks you should've said that when the native English speakers were talking with us then.
I thought you were telling Japanese users to stop talking in English...

I'm not sure if other posters would agree with you; after all, this thread is Chat in English.
I guess posting in English with its Japanese translation may be ok.

Anyway, if everyone thinks we can post in Japanese or bilingually, it's up to the Japanese learners.

Judging from their posts, it seems Crystal has a good command of Japanese,
and other learners such as jook and アメリカ人 speak Japanese better than the average student and quick at learning langauge.

Hmm, I thought I was going to bring up sort of a serious topic, but I changed my mind..
Instead, I chose this one.

>Toy gun maker held over lethal models.
>http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/nn20081203a2.html

I wonder how many models are already distributed. I don't want to think there's someone who might use
this toy guns as a weapon.

I am sorry to interupt but...
do you mean SAT words? the difficult words that you mentioned..

Sorry if my comment was boring -_-

>>176
I'm not >>173, but I don't think you need to remember "difficult" words to prepare for SAT. It's a standerlized test for high schoolers.

still high schooler (especially from 10 grade to seniors) need to
"LEARN", not "remember" difficult words to prepare to go to colleges
:)

Argh, I seriously need a spell checker that works on my 2ch browser.

>>179
I haven't taken SAT myself, so I don't know what it's like. Is it really that hard?

can't you make it? the speel checker thingy

ohhh~ yes, SAT is direct path to death -_-
I would rather work T-T SAT is like pain in the neck...

>>182
??
Do you mean I should code a program? Or are you saying, "Can't you spell those easy words properly huh"?

i meant the program -_- your spelling isn't that bad

>>90
Thanks for your corections.
Your explanation was quite easy to understand and so I could understand
how to say in that kind of situation, and could also understand the way of
using the expression `it's high time`.
Thanks again!

Are these people Japanese? I'm just asking :)

>>185
Hmm... I better improve spelling rather than code a spell checker, I think.

Can you just answer my question?......;;;;

>>187
As far as I know, posters with names and/or trips are Americans and anons are all non-native English speakers.

You guys should slower the speed of talking.
When I returned home, my impression was what the fuck!

>>189
Which question are you talking about?

Today, I first knew that the word `furniture` is uncountable, and if you want to
refer to it in the plural form, you have to say `articles of furniture` or something.

Did you know it??

>>191
Go to /b/ and you'll find this thread fucking slow as a crippled snail.

>>191
I hope you don't use curse words
and sorry that my typing is fast
>>190
and also can explain more clearly?

>>190
Don't get what you're trying to say. What's the problem?

Oops, I meant >>195.

>>193
yea, i knew that when i was 14 years old ;;

>>195
Ah, you don't know what "anon" means, right? It's 名無しさん.

>>196
your grammar problem - i didn't understand what you were saying

>>200
wut

so you are Japanses?

>>194
DESU

Desu?

>>202
I'm >>144. As you can see, I'm Japanese.

As for my grammar, read >>145. He's American and I wrote similar things in >>144.

>>173
I half agree, and half disagree.

Pros:
・Memorizing big words doesn't mean you can speak fluently.
・Using them in everyday conversations may sound funny to most English speakers.
・It would come across as useless to me if we make critical mistakes and end up in being misunderstood
by using big words that, in fact, we don't understand how to use properly and efficiently.

Cons:
・We sometimes run into big words when reading English such as news reports, novels, and so on,
and we would have trouble understanding without knowing what they mean.
・We couldn't touch any intellectual information if our word power is quite limited.

To sum it up, it might be an idea to keep learning new words, big or small, in order to bone up our English skills.
But memorizing big words and getting content with it doesn't make you a good English speaker.
Blance is the most important..

Hmm, how corny...but I think it's true.

>>203
You're the cancer killing the thread, if you know what I mean.

>>204
It's just another stupid meme on a cesspit. You better avoid those fagotts.

Oops, balance, I mean.

sorry for not knowing few words that are in Japanese;
becaue im not japanese...;;

>>210
I haven't used Japanese though... The only Japanese I said was 名無しさん, which you can see in the name field of your post.

>>210
You do seem to know a lot about 2ch, though.
How did you get "?2BP(0)" on the right of the time?

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B1%B1%E6%A0%B9%E5%92%8C%E5%A4%AB
よくコメディアンの団しん也に似ていると言われた。
He was often said to look like a comedian, Dan Shinya.
lol
http://f.hatena.ne.jp/images/fotolife/h/hakuouatsushi/20070219/20070219120438.jpg
http://www.mg-fighters.net/fs/minasan/yu-ki/photo/yamane01.jpg
I know of Dan Shinya. But I can't remember what his performance was.
He seems to be a traditional comedian in asakusa which we do rarely
see on TV these days. I am not for tokyo traditional comedy.
But some Yoshimoto comedians are suck and tiring. Yoshimoto
push some talentless comedians by power. I'm sick of kansai dialects.
Whenever I switch channels, there they are!

>>211
yes, but the problem is that i am not used to reading japanese
in both kanji or in english ;;;;

so hello :) nice to meet you:) you can call me Sunny :)

>>210
Ah, you thought DESU, meme, faggot, and other obscure English words were Japanese?

>>175
bulletproof jackets might sell like hot weeds

>>211
Probably, he didn't know anon means anonymous.
That explains a lot, isn't it?
You can't guess what 名無しさん means if you don't know what anon is.

>>214
So, what's your native tongue? Obviously English isn't your dominant langauge. Where are you from?

>>215
yes ^^;;;
>>212
I don't know... this is the first time to use 2ch

>>198
Wow, thank you to let me know detailed information about you!
I felt a bit strange to know that because it seems that forniture can be counted.
Can anybody explain this ?

I am from South Korea but lived in the States about 6 years
and now i am attending International School in Korea
my first language is korean, second is english and
third, it's shame to mention, is japanese -_T

>>214
Aren't you contradicting yourself?
You don't understand what we are talking about even in English?
What's the point?

>>217
If you have a healthy eye, you can see this thread is filled with the word.

>>222
yes, sorry i am SOOOO stupid to not know which one is which

>>221
DESU, meme, and the like are all English slang.

>>223
and also, i am not HE
i am SHE
and i don't have "good" eyes, not "healthy"...

>>221
Welcome to 2ch.
But your friend often makes a fuss and say stupid things from morning to night.
You may feel ashamed to read his posts.

>>223
That's right. But the point I was trying to make is that
it's tough to guess what 名無しさん is if you don't know of the word anon.

>>227
my friend? i don't have any friend at here right now
and whose posts are you talking about?

no response...?

>>221
I can't believe anyone who spent 6 years would think >>196 sounds unnatural...
Where did you lived?

me? in States and Korea

>>229
Oh, sorry. It's a `metaphor`.
I wanted to say `Korean guy` by using `your friend`.

But don't misunderstand me.
I don't have malice.

>>232
In which city?

>>233
^^ you mean "no offence "

>>234
right now i am in seoul
but in states, i went to ohio, oklahoma, florida and boston

how about you?

>>236
I've been to Florida twice, I think.

How did you get to find the thread?
I don't think it was easy for you to search for this one among Japanese boards.

>>974
Korean girlss don't like to shave cats but
"Korean" like to shave their dogs...-_-

>>237
Am living in Japan. Lived in the US for some time.

>>238
haha miami?
>>239
i used korean internet dictionary ;)

>>240
What are you talking about all of a sudden!!?
You like to shave dogs?

>>242
I don't get it.
Korean Internet dictionary has nothing to do with this thread, doesn't it?

>>242
>haha miami?
Sort of.

I too am curious how you came across this thread.

>>243
NO~ i am saying that koreans don't like to shave cats "pussies"

I think you are consuming this thread too rapidly.

>>224 and 245
in korean internet dictionary, there is a tranlation thingy
i used that to find some thread that i can enjoy
because i am weak at kanji, i used the dictionary to understand

>>246
Ok, but why did you say that all of a sudden?
Did you mean to post in some other thread. The post is linked to >>974,
there are about 700 more posts left to get there.

>>248
So you're learning Japanese?

>>247
ごめんなさい
>>249
????????????

>>249
At this rate, we'll get 974 in an hour or so.

>>250
yes, by my own
i study listening through japanese dramas, TV shows, and ani
reading and writing, i used to do it but i don't have time to
study right now b/c of SAT and applications for colleges...

>>251
No problem. It's better than being slow.

>>232
Not that fast. lol
But it's kind of funny..
Are we supposed to talk about it sooner or later? lol

i never knew that this site existed before -_-;;;;;

>>253
I see. That's why you were asking about SAT and such.
If I remember correctly, アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2 is also appling for univeristys.
He's American. Check this thread later when he's back.

>>257
oh, is アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2 a thread? or name?

I'm curious to know what "shaving dogs" implies.

>>259
nothing , it was just a comment
so what is your job? both of you :)

By the way, Sunny, my Korean friend was teaching herself for six months, and was able to hold a meaningful comversation with me (I'm Japanese) in Japanese.
It doesn't seem very diificult for Koreans to learn Japanese and vice versa.

>>258
アメリカ人 means American in English.
Obviously he used the name to define himself.

>>258
アメリカ人 ◆oUpRKPX5A2 is a he. He posts on this thread everyday.

>>261
yes, it's not difficult to learn japanese but i am in korea
using english and korean only... in english speaking school
conversation is ok for me but reading and writing, i can't
handle T-T

>>264
Can't you speak Korean in your school?

>>262
i can read that but i wasn't sure that >>253 was saying about
thread or a person

>>264
it is INTERNATIONAL school we have to use english or we will
receive detention for using korean

>>266
Read his posts in this thread if you have the time. He's a nice guy.

>>266
And I thought I explained..

>>267
Are you sure?
You'll get detained?

>>267
Whoa, you said, "detention"? It sounds harsh. They don't think Korean has nothing to do with "international" things? How INTERNATIONAL the school is lol

I cannot chatch up with this thread tomorrow if this rapid consuming doesnt stop. STOP POSTING！！ I CANT SLEEP！！

Well, I didn't mean your school is doing wrong or anything in >>271. Sorry if you're offended.
I forgot this is a thread on 2ch lol

>>272
Sleep tight. Don't say you read all the posts everyday...

>>270,271
yes, detention... sad
>>272
then don't slepp hehe
>>268
when can i talk to him? i might be in school when he's here
>>269
it's ok :) i understand now

so what's your career? both of you

250 ALREADY???????????
SNAP!

YOU MISSED ME GUYS?

Gah! I wrote >> 273 as if I was thinking your school IS doing something wrong ><
Sorry. It's just because my grammar is atrocious -_^

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>>276
hello, nice to meet you:) are you japanese too?

>>276
Hi, Sparky. How's going?

>>277
no it's ok ^0^ i understand it hehe

>>274 I re-joined this thread only a week ago so dont worry.

I'm a college student, but that's nothing to do with the thread, though.
This is an anonymous board. You can enjoy it.

AHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

no response T-T

Let's shave dogs.

>>279
NOPE
IM NOT ASIAN
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Come to think of it, Sunny has to speak English at shcool everyday. Isn't it a little tough?
You don't seem to be very comfortable, I mean, your Korean is way better than your English, right?

>>284
Just because you said something doesn't mean you got a reply so soon.
Be patient.

>>286
What's up, Sparky? You don't look happy with that unko. Take if off and you'll be happy.

HEY SUNNY ARE YOU KOREAN?

>>290
Would you mind stoping using all capital letters?

Seems Sunny has left. It was kind of a storm from the Korean peninsula, wan't it?

Hey, Sparky, do you agree or disagree with Hillary Clinton being chosen as Secretary of State?

>>292
I'd call it the real Korean Wave.

>>294
lol

>>104
Is it tough to be verign in America in their late teens and early twenties?
Like peer pressure and all that?

In Japan, it takes kind of courage to say you are verigin to your friend.
Veriginity of girls used to be admired but things have changed now, even some girls feel
ashamed to be vergin in their late teens and early twenties.

YES IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS

>>291 Its his character so dont try to make him change it.

What about in Panama?

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>>297
What?lol
Does he want to impress us by that? Pubescence...

>>298
I DO NOT THINK IT IS NOT HARD

>>299
It's getting bigger and bigger. So, er, isn't it a little too heavy?

Do you like Hillary Clinton?

>>301
I DON'T UNDERSTAND YOUR DOUBLE NEGATIVE

>>303
I do not hate here

sorry

something went wrong, it kept saying error

>>307
I know what you mean. System erros and then it stops working, right? It always happens in my head.

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http://academy6.2ch.net/test/bbs.cgi?guid=ON

this kept coming out and said to make some event

what's up with that?
yes, i am korean and how about you sparky?
sorry i don't have any patience, i just like to enjoy :)
sorry to be like a strom or wave, it didn't work ....
i personally don't like the democrates

>>309
what a tall shit...

Sparky~!!!!!

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>>310
I've never seen that error, or I just forgot that. You can post now so it's all right.

>>313
Hey, look! Huge unko is speaking!!

>>314
yes ^^ thank you
>>313
yes sparky, i am korean so can you stop making pictures?

Writing English sentences with a mobile phone is very-very troublesome. I just wonder if English speakers do this tough works.

>>317
in korea, it is really easy to type both english and korean
in mobile phone hehehe :)

>>317
Texting in Japanese is way harder, if you ask me.

what happend to sparkY?

>>320
Not really. He's always like that.

>>321
oh, sparky is a he haha he is emo hahahah
where's sparky from? which country is he from ?

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Unko is growing...

stop drawing dung!

>>322
I always thought the majority of Koreans like emo kids.

If I have the right to ban trolls, Sparky is at the top of the list.

>>326
no~
>>323
and please sparky, answer my question, where are you from?

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And I said "like" becuase I was conviced that when I've been to Pusan and met several Krean girls.

North? what States are you from?

>>330
oh, you travel to korean too?
that's great haha visit seoul too haha

>>332
But I guess Seoul isn't that different from Tokyo?

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hey, um, i gotta go, so can you guys give answers to my
questions? :P

>>318 really？ Im very curious about it. Please tell us the reason tomorrow or in near future. Now I got so tired that I go to bed. Please say “good-night” to me with a lot of love.

I heard half of the population of Korea converged in Seoul..
How dense it is..

>>335
Which questions are you talking about? Give me the post numbers.

oh, ok
haha thanks,

>>333
e-mail me when you come to seoul'i
i'll tour you around seoul


GOOD NIGHT
잘자 :)
o ya su mi

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piss

Then move to New York.

>>339
good night!

...I don't think I can text a girl her age and ask if she could take me around the city.
In b4 how old are you etc.

>>339 Thank you！！I can sleep well. Good Night, everyone here.

I AM A BLACK BELT IN TAE KWAN DO

Crystal, Sunny should get out here. you are acutual spammer.

SPAM?
that is not SPAM

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>>346
Crystal is a spammer? You wanted to say Sparky, didn't you?

>>345
Crystal is a nice poster, if you ask me. If you want, she could fix your grammar and help improve your pronunciation.
That way you can say, "Get out of here, you sluts. You're just spamming this thread" wituout foreign accents.
That's nice.

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>>353
I warn you.
If you don't have anything specific to say in this thread, don't post.
Copy and pasting those AA here is a nuisance and good reason to be
banned from 2ch if someone report to people in charge of adminstrating
2ch.

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Sparky, if you continue like that, we will ask admins to ban you from posting in 2ch.

Apparently he's using proxy or something because 2ch doesn't allow foreign ips, if I remember correctly.
Reporting would do nothing to him, I guess.

Ok................ 17 more days

>>190
From this we can draw the conclusion that Americans are egotistical.

Which they are.

>>360
More like they're not used to 2ch's culture. I like this way better though.

I agree with 361.

It's better for us English learners to be able to distinguish which post is that of
native English speakers'. We can learn a lot from their posts.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/Speak-English-Like-American-Speakers/dp/0972530037/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=english-books&qid=1228324033&sr=1-4

Not to change the subject, but personally, this textbook is highly recommended.
It provise frequently used American idioms in proper contexts. After you read each skit,
10 to 20 idioms are explained with definitions and sample sentences.
Its format is quite like NHK radio English programs ( I think you can guess what it's like easily.lol)
You can learn about 300 idioms - it's userfriendly. I've just started using this, but
I like it.

Do you have any recommendation?

Ah, one more thing. The book includes an Audio CD rom - compared to other American English textbook,
it's a good feature coz most English learning materials written/published in America don't include CDs.

>>363
I hope it means Speak Enlgish like an EDUCATED Amercan, not Speak English like LOL AMERICANS.

I don't know why the book doesn't seem to be selling well in Japan.
Take a look at: http://www.amazon.com/Speak-English-Like-American-Audio/dp/0972530037
There are many reviews there.

Anyway, I'll go to bed. See ya.

>>363
Seems like a good book but it costs much. I'd buy a second hand book of it.
What's the difference between this and that in 363.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/Speak-English-Like-American-Japanese/dp/0972530029/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=english-books&qid=1228325304&sr=1-1

>>365
Ah, the book deals with everyday conversations, so I don't think it's educational,
but at least most of the contents're not fucking rude.
You can look inside the book on Amazon.com.

One reviewer says

>本書には本レビューで取り上げた日本語話者向けのもののほかに、スペイン語、ロシア語話者向け、および英語だけで書かれたものがある。違いは、基本的には慣用表現の解説が各言語で書かれているというだけであり、

This must be the difference between them.

>>367
I'm afraid I don't have that one, but according to the review on the page,
I guess the definitions of the idioms/slangs are written in Japanese.

>>369
Yeah, that's right.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. See you!

>>371
Oh thanks. Sweet dreams. I hope a naked woman will seduce you in your dream.

Wow this thread went wild overnight...

I personally don't see any reason for you guys to post bilingually. I don't think
most of the Japanese learners in this thread would understand most of it just because
of the kanji. Without kanji, maybe it would be useful, even so that isn't really the
point of this thread. I don't feel like asking a question about Japanese in English
is bad though. It's not like I am posting my questions about Japanese in Japanese as
well. Even though I am asking about Japanese, you guys will still be practicing English
by reading my question and also in your response. My Japanese is not nearly advanced
enough to understand explanations of Japanese in Japanese.

I have to get to class now. Bye!

>>365
That's one good reason to avoid getting sucked into an educational site like 4chan, huh?

robotintsu

Tsu? Capital of mie prefecture? The shortest name for
city's name in Japan.

>>376
yep.

アメリカ人　is teenager? He is very matured person...

>>378

He was saying one of his friends got accepted to Yale or somesuch. It's
a massive generalization, but I'm betting he goes to a somewhat affluent
well-to-do school. Believe it or not, some Americans actually get a decent
education if they have the money or reputation.

Holy cow with the postings and the talking and the lots and lots for me to go through to catch up.
>>350 I don't know if that's our intent, but still - if the help from us natives lets you say things like that, then good!
I think if you said something like that out loud in conversation with a native English speaker, he would be completely floored.
We always think of the Japanese as being very polite and reserved (stereotype again).
Besides that, we wouldn't expect you to know words like that, much less use them.
The combination would make my jaw drop, that's for sure. Especially if the speaker is a girl.

>>148
Korean abandoned almost all kanjis, which is another example
of korean superiority?
I think kanji shows(has) meaning and a pair of kanjis can create
a new meaning.
Japanese has been afraid of losing clues to what kind of kanjis
pronounced words come from. We might use words only with
hiragana but we can't know strict meaning and history without kanji.
And in a way kanji can help us learn new words quickly. We can
speculate the meaning from kanji.
Actually there was movements of abolishing kanji now and then
by people inculuding even intellectuals. They think
Kanji was an impediment for education. American occupiers
thought so too.
I think opinion for effectiveness and usefulness of kanji is prevalant.

I don't think Japanese langage system is effective myself. In my opinion
we have to take it as destiny wheter you like it or not...
If we threw way all kanjis, Japanese would be more simpler and childish.
It could be an energy saving way though..

>>220 Furniture is a category. Some categories can also be counted "animal"
is probably a good example. Furniture is a category only, and so you need
to use "pieces of" if you want to count it. You can count
specific types of furniture, but not the word itself. For example:
"one sofa," "three chairs," and "many pieces of furniture" are all correct.
If there is a countable noun that means the same thing as furniture I can't
think of it. There probably isn't one.

>>148
I reccomend you to read manga for juvenile.
ドラえもん(doraemon) for example shows huriganas for almost all kanjis in
balloons.
http://sqare.cscblog.jp/img/d74893e8.jpg
Here is an example.

>>381 I was joking, I understand the reasoning behind it. Anyway, kanji are prettier. ;)

>>383 Doraemon is entertaining, but I think I'm a bit above that level. I should get more Japanese manga though.
It's fun and I can learn new things from it. I read Ranma 1/2, but I can't find the second volume anywhere. I got used to some kanji from that.
Maybe I should pick up another series that I can get consistently. Ranma was easy because I already know the story though.

We have quite a elaborating and inefficient language system but
our literacy rate was exceedingly high even in feudral edo era and
that surprised european visitors. More than the half of commoners could
read and write.
Excessive effort might have worked for good.

I wish I was born in alphabetical civilization though. lol

back

Good afternoon, Sparky.

>>385 Hiragana and katakana are easy enough. They are faster and better
for writing things in Japanese. If Japanese used romaji mainly it would be
bad. Kanji are difficult, but difficult doesn't mean bad. There are plenty
of difficult things in English to compensate. At least Japanese doesn't
have articles and such strict syntax.
It is a fact that all languages are equally complex. However, it can be much more
difficult to learn a second language that is very different from your native language
than it is to learn one similar to your own language.
Japanese and Korean speakers have an easier time learning each others' languages.
Similarly, I experienced less difficulty when I was learning Spanish.

if i get b& from 2ch

i have no known place to turn to

except hell for me on the internets

However, it can be much more
difficult to learn a second language that is very different from your native language
than it is to learn one similar to your own language.

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>>388 I don't think kana are always faster.
Certainly there are times when this is true: it's much easier to write　ご than　語.
On the other hand, I prefer to use 私 and　何 over　わたし or　なに.

should i learn Japanese in collage?

>>392 I am.

ok

>>392

You can't learn Japanese from a collage.

>>395 You could make a collage of flash cards, I suppose.

It dependes on how far you want to learn, or how you want use Japanese.
If you want to greet or flirt, learning through cds and dvds should be enough.

>It dependes on how far you want to learn, or how you want use Japanese.

far enough to understand what the dump they are saying and able to read what they right

>>397 or even better, just learn a bit of French. Apparently, that's flirting no matter what you say.
String some random words together.

>> Чт 04 декабря 2008 01:29:53 ��363451

>>363438

>>363422 is lying. Most of people here are from Russia. Also there are some jews from Ukraine & US.

>> Чт 04 декабря 2008 01:32:34 ��363466

>>363438

>>363451 is stupid russian nigger. however he is right about jews - this is the common problem for all of us.


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>>398 after three years of study, I can mostly understand what people say.
Reading is a whole different problem. Kanji are difficult.

>>400 why did you post this?

What in god's name happened to this thread?!
I skimmed through all the posts I missed, thank you for your kind words.
>>373
I agree with Crystal. I could feasibly look up kanji (the rikaichan addon for firefox is amazing), but it would still be a bit beyond my abilities at this point.
>>379
Actually I go to a city public school (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet_school).
So yes, I'm privileged in terms of quality of education but I still don't pay a dime.
Oh and I guess this is a trivial correction but my friend got into University of Chicago, not Yale.
>>392
Go for it. I'm in AP Japanese (1st year college level) right now and it's challenging but definitely worthwhile.
You can't be lazy though. Many of my friends take Japanese as well but they can barely speak/write/comprehend anything because they're lazy
and don't do homework or study for tests. Don't be like them.

Btw, how funny is that we now have a bona fide Korean here?
>>253
初めまして Sunny. You're applying to colleges as well I see? Fun stuff...
Are you taking SAT Subject tests or the Reasoning test?
Personally, I think the ACT is an easier alternative to the SAT Reasoning test.

Welcome back ^^

>>404

404 GET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111

>>405 Aren't you supposed to say that in the post where it happens? I'm counting this as a miss.

yes but i did not realize it was 404 get

when you guys come across slangs in manga, how do you find out the meanings?
dictionaries are useless, arent they?

>>440
Where are these profound comments from?
Sparky, you are not white. You can't unite with white people.
But don't be desperate. Don't throw your life.
You can fight against the jews with white people.

umm
im HALF WHITE

Nice try

>>408 are you referring to me mentioning reading japanese manga?
I use context clues, I suppose. Or I just continue on and skip over it.
I can still get the general idea of what's happening, even without knowing specifics.
That's good enough usually. I think i I understand the concept of what someone is saying, that's fine.

HALF WHITE is not white. Remember one drip rule.
If you have features like Cameron Diaz, you have a chance.
But true white nationalists even dislike her because she can't pass
the ancestral test. Her father is a good example of mud, shit skin race.

Spics are more dangerous to white people than negroes. Some spics can masquerade as whites
and endanger white racial purity.

Thank you jook
The same things happen to me when I watch Hollywood movies without subtiles.
I use context clues too. For me to read comics (in English) is much harder than to read fiction novels,
coz there are less context clues. Frames of manga or comics are intermittent, so more blanks to fill using imagination.

>>408
The back of the book's often have "Translator's Notes."
http://plus4chan.org/boards/jam/thumb/122835357690s.jpg

http://plus4chan.org/hotlink.png

ummm

http://16chan.b33r.net/sparky4/16/q/
post it here

just copy the URL and paste it into the adrress bar

>>391
yea, all hiragana or katakana is more troublsome and just reflects the person's immaturity.

>>415
I couldn't open the link, but thanks any away.
I wanted to know if is there any way for you guys to tell subtle nuance between
"〜だよ。" and "〜だょ。”(the latter, lowercase "yo", is used by teenage girl).

http://plus4chan.org/boards/jam/src/122835357690.jpg

fuck the thumbnail
i got the full picture

>>420
I could see the picture. Thanks.

>>419 I wouldn't have known the difference.
Is this similar to girls' way of adding は（わ？）or　の on the end of sentences?

I meant if there is a way to figure out the difference, how?
Ask somebody on the internet or use google?

The popularity of Korean guys all over the world is increasing.
I was amazed to see how popular Korean guys are among girls in the world,
expecially among white girls. White girls often come visit Seoul, Korea, so as to see new Korean guys,
all because they want to see K guys in person. They say Korean guys are cool, sexy, and nice.
I believe interracial marriage between Korean guys and white girls will be quite common.
Korean guys like white girls, and white girls love Korean guys.
I'm proud of it. :)

>>423 I wouldn't have understood why there would be a small よ　after だ。
I probably would assume it was the same as だよ。 Or, if I did want to find out the meaning, I wouldn't know where to look.
I don't know of resources to look for something like that.

btw, how do you make a small character like that? I can only do it by typing something like しょ where it does it automatically, then I would delete the し.
I know there must be some method to make small kana, because I've seen it done even with characters besides the usual やゆよつ.

>>424 Welcome back. I was beginning to wonder what happened to the Korean troll.
Not that I missed you, mind. You can go play in traffic for all I care.
I was just mildly curious.

>>423 >>425 Probably if I realized there was a difference, and I wanted to find out the meaning, I would maybe bring it to my Japanese class and ask sensei, or else ask you guys. ;)

"xyo" makes ょ

It doesn't have to be used at the end of sentences.
「今日ゎ待ちに待ったデートだょ」
「ぉはょうちゃん」
Gal's way of writing e-mails so to speak
It struck to me the sender is very young, possibly in her teens, not so educated.

>>428 awesome!
あぁいぃうぅえぇおぉ
Doesn't seem to work for anything though. I can do ゎ　but not ｘき.
Still, good to know. Thank you!

>>425
I know Korean guys are popular, of course; In fact, many girls here in America say they love to marry a Korean guy. There's no WILL BE, it already IS common
to my eyes.

if man, whether he is young or old, writes in such ways like >>429,
people must regard him as extreme idiot or feel sick.

I used to use "xyo" for typing lowercase katakana ,but now I started to using "lyo"
It's much easier to type.

oops, I mean, for both hiragana and katakana.

and even if the sender is woman, she must also be considered as idot or
laughed at by people, if she is in her thirteens or older.

or pretending a girl (NEKAMA)

why don't you read air?

>>437
Where are letters floting in the air?

just above>>437's head you can see them

>>439 I'm familiar with some people who think their life has a soundtrack (by carrying an ipod or somesuch all the time)
But for somebody to be subtitled? That's a new one!

Don't you think it would be cool?

I think those with shinigami eyes can read people's names and their life spans. kkkkk

>>424
.......
moot is a fag
and a horrible administrator

Like me.

"LIVE OR DIE" ←current message

Time for learning 日本語. I'll be back after class, about two hours.

see you later jook thanks for chat

>>446
enjoy class, see you

>>443
Coz you were banned. kkk

you guys know each other?

>>449
is also a fagget

I'm back from classes finally :)
My Japanese friend helped me after class with my project a bit. I'm a bit
excited to find out how much I can say with the vocabulary and structures
I have already learned. Knowing how to put them all together correctly is
the hardest part, but my friend is good at helping with that. Sometimes I
don't think I know how to say something and then I realize as long as I can
be a bit creative with it and not stick to strict English translation, it
is actually possible.

Welcome back crystal ^^

i am sparky4
nice too meet you ^^

The automobile is American-born. You think the japanese invented that?
Americanworkmanship.
We lost it for a while, but we got it back.

After my fancy... price

You really capitalist

http://16chan.b33r.net/my%20pictures/!jpg/!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DOKI%20DOKI1228028831140.jpg

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>>453 Hi Sparky. I know who you are :P You're the one who got buried in poo during
the night.

BTW it's been like... one day and we're already almost half way
over with this thread. Crazy!

>>452
I too think the trick is to abandon translation and feel what a word means.
The same goes for grammar. All you have to do is picture what you mean and say it.

Esay to say, hard to do. But you're doing it in English. After all, there's no difference between langauges.

A foreign word you learned today is just like a new word in your first language.
A foreign grammar rule you learned today is another way of expressing yourself in your mother tongue.
Pronunciation? English already has tons of accents.

Some say English and Japanese are different, which is not true.

You chose certain set of words and grammar rules in a given situation.
You don't speak to your boss in the same way as you do to your close friends.
You don't use Japanese words and grammar when you talk to people who don't know the particular words and rules.

There's no point distinguish langauges and call what you don't know foriegn.

Hmm... I forgot the original wording... At least it should be error-free (distinguish, call and such)!

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>>461
Don't worry, I won't

You think I'll smell them coming?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Anime_Girl.png
this is beyond original quality(THE BEST) it is 神quality
*.jpg<<<<*.PNG

Korean guys are like God to the girls all around the world.

I got a score of 92 on the Japanese test I took Monday. Go me.

Have some beerつ＄1

>>459
"A foreign word you learned today is just like a new word in your first language."
That is a good outlook, however most people only learn one language natively and the
way your brain processes a language you learn when you are much older is different
than the way you process your first language. I believe it may even be a distinctly
separate part of the brain that a second language is processed in (after puberty or so)

"Some say English and Japanese are different, which is not true."
They are different in some really fundamental ways. English and Japanese use
different basic word order. Japanese is subject-object-verb, while English is
subject-verb-object. English pluralizes nouns and the verbs in English conjugate
based on the subject. The phonology of the two languages is very different. English
has both r, l, and d while Japanese has a sound in between. English has v and th
(both voiced and unvoiced) while Japanese doesn't. English also has more possible consonant
combinations, and several more vowel sounds while Japanese allows only for consonant-vowel
combinations (except n). The two languages are completely unrelated historically
except for maybe the sharing of borrowed words. Actually, Japanese is a linguistically
isolated language, which has no proven root shared with any other language. English however is
part of the Germanic branch of the larger Indo-European family.

Of course the languages are not completely dissimilar, We both put possessives before the things
they possess. Ex: "Mary's book" and "メリーの本" but these similarities are coincidental.

>>459 BTW I treat my boss a bit differently from my friends but my language use is mostly the same.
English does not have strict honorifics as Japanese does. Some speakers of different
dialects or vernaculars might have to make changes to speak to their boss or professor, etc,
but not my dialect. It is not taboo to call your boss by their first name or even (depending
on the job) to use a little friendly slang with them.

>>466 Good job!... You don't want to know the score I got on the Japanese test I had yesterday, lol.

So in class today I was trying to write something along the lines of
"This not the reason for liking (it)"
好きのための事由じゃないです。

I've got a feeling this isn't very close to being correct...

>>470
You wanted to say, 'this isn't the reason why I like it', in Japanese?
I'd translate the sentence into "これは私がそれを好きな理由ではないです".

http://www.manythings.org/japanese/signs/

>>469 つぎのしけんにもっとべんきょうしておきなさいね

>>470
アメリカ人 = American
Hey I am a アメリカ人 also!
USA
USA
USA
USA

>>474 make up your mind. You told us you were パナマ人。

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>>470
【sparky(4 ^ヮ^)】 ミ田 = パナマ人 アメリカ人
DUAL CITIZEN SHIP

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>>473
Good Japanese.

>>479 Thanks ^_^ I wasn't sure if I should say しけんに　or leave off the に

>>471
Thanks, I actually understood that. I think I'm trying to make things too complicated in my head.
It's probably because I'm doing that whole "think in English, attempt to directly translate into Japanese" thing.

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お待たせ、兄上！　さ、どうぞ！

>>480
"Please study and prepare more for the next test" ?
I'm confused as to the に usage there (but then again my particles have always been wishy washy).
Could someone please explain?

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>>480
Don't worry. It's alright as it is.
If you say に"そなえて" (to prepare for), it's perfect and quite natural.

But your put your point across perfectly. Very beautiful.

i love iichan

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Oh wait, is it more like "Please put more studying in for the next test" ?
In that case the に makes sense to me.

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>>468
>the way your brain processes a language you learn when you are much older is different than the way you process your first language. I believe it may even be a distinctly
separate part of the brain that a second language is processed in (after puberty or so)

Probably. So, why do you think the different part of your brain works differently?
No one knows how brains work. I'm not saying foreign words are processed the same way
in terms of biology or something. The point is that the process is different, but output is the same; those are "words."

>They are different in some really fundamental ways.

Lingusitically different, off course. What I want to say is linguistic differences don't matter at all.

One lanuage has various dialects, and linguists have no clear definition of "different" langauge.
Some linguists consider some pairs of dialects the same langauge, and others don't.
It's a matter of definition. I don't think nomenclature has anything to do with the way of communication per se.

Grammar is just a set of written rules. It doesn't matter if a rule could be seen as Indo-European-ish.
Some may say a rule you learned today falls into some Asian set of rules. So what?
What do categories do? You're learning how to communicate, not taxonomy.

>BTW I treat my boss a bit differently from my friends but my language use is mostly the same.
It's just because the langauge regisers you use in such situations are similar.
Also, it has more to do with calture. Language and calture are closely related though.

>>490
Nope it's still confusing me.

http://www7.atwiki.jp/commando-matome/?plugin=ref&serial=38
http://www7.atwiki.jp/commando-matome/?plugin=ref&serial=17

night every one ^^

ill be back

>>493 しけんに for the test.

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>>493
つぎ の しけん に もっと べんきょうして おきなさい
next test for more　　　study to prepare

mix it up a bit: Study more in preparation for the next test.

>>498 awww I formatted that really carefully and nicely so the Japanese words would line up directly with the English words below.
It got ruined when it posted. :(

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I think it may be better to put ため in front of に.
つぎの　しけんの　ために　もっと　べんきょうして　おきなさい

>>501 that sounds good to me too. I didn't think of it.

>>484
Actually, you could also use your favorite "ための" there. The に instead of の is used just to
modify the adverb もっと, so if you omitted "もっと", treated "べんきょう" as a noun and inserted "を" before
"しておく", then you could say, つぎのしけんのためのべんきょうをしておきなさい。
BTW, I would give jook extra 8 points for using しておきなさい instead of しなさい。That sounds great there.

>>499
Haha, thanks jook.
>>501
Ahh! The dastardly ため strikes again! I can't rap my head around its proper usage.
のために, のための, and the particle に all deal with "for (something)" right? What's the difference?

>>504
I feel のために and のための is more like "for the sake of" in English, though it's not the same.

>>481
Ok, firstly, I'm sure your Japanese gets through to Japanese people.
So don't worry.

Japanese verbs ends with the U sound.
For example, 食べる(taber"u"）,　書く（kak"u") and 話す(hanas"u").
So put quite simply, 好き(suki) isn't a verb. Are you with me?
That's why it sounds a little bit awkward to us to say "好きのため" in Japanese.

I'm not an expert on Japanese grammar, but 好き is 形容動詞 (keiyou dousi).
When you want to use keiyou dousi as the form of 〜のための・・・,
it's used like 〜な・・・. Say, 好きな理由 in this case.
Other examples that came to mind are: 元気な子供 (genki na kodomo: energetic child),
派手な服(hadena fuku: tawdry/showy clothing)

But I guess it's complicated and it takes a lot of getting used to.
So don't worry too much. Good luck.

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>>503 Woo, extra points for me!
I probably wouldn't have remembered that form (ておきる) if we hadn't reviewed it in class recently.
Still, I know it, and that's what matters I guess.

>>503
>>505
>>506
Thanks all of you, I think I'm starting to understand it a bit better.
I'm out for now, laters.

>>504
One of practical ways to overcome that kind of problem is reading/listening to tons of sentences that contains troubling phrases (in this cace のため).
The more you input, the better you intuitively understand.

A good way to always sound natural in Japanese is using phrases you already know are totally right and avoiding expressions you're not familiar with.
The more you learn natural sentences, the more fluent you become.

These strategies don't work when you're taking an exam or a standardized test though...

>>492 What I am trying to say is that the subtle differences in different languages
matter. You can't just dismiss them and say all languages are the same. If they were,
direct translation would be possible in all circumstances.

The reason it is so hard to attain fluency in a second language compared to your first language
is because your brain is somewhat programmed by your first language.

http://www.brainconnection.com/topics/?main=fa/second-language

I'd love to talk about how popular Korean guys are around the world.
It's fun, isn't it?

I was 22 seconds late...

なんかね、はじめてのことのはずなんだけど、どれも
経験してるっていうか、あれ、またって感じなんだよね

Whereas there is more humor in work in America, there is more humor in play in Japan.

〜Chairman Howard Stringer, Sony Corporation〜

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=-AWrjcoE5dY

Haaaaave a little look on the video clip.
You'll see why Korean guys are hot and sexy.:)
White girls love Korean guys!!

>>511
I'm saying there's no such thing as "translation" per se.
It's like you're rephrasing words so that it sounds different. i.e., shifting the registers.

"Shoot me a text. Thanks." can be *translated* into "I'm most grateful if you could let me know XXX. My email address is XXX."
The reason why you think this isn't "translation" is that these two are in the same category called English.
Like I said, it's a matter of definition.

I'm well aware of the how-brains-work thingy. I've read tons of books and articles on the internet.
Just because your brain processes things differently doesn't mean your output must be different.
I'm talking about actual words you say, not elecronic stimuli in your brain.

Different devices may handle the equivalent task. Not the exact same way though.

>>516
All the White girls who happen to watch the video will surely fall in love with Korean guys.
I'm proud of it. :)

I'm going to bed early tonight. Bye guys!

Don't talk too much all night okay? lol

>>519
If it goes like last night, we'll be on thread 121 by morning!

つぎのしけんではもっとべんきょう... or つぎのしけんではもっと... are more natural. However I want to say that to express this in plane Japanese is a bit hard for even Japanese, I think.

>>519
Bastard! We can't stop talking about Korean guys!

At any rate, before you hit the sack, you should have one look on Korean guys.
You can sure have a good night's sleep with a Korean guy in your dream.

だから、悔いはないはず。
その他もまとまってこれ以上の幸せはって感じだったよ

>>403
I took reasoning test two times and took subject tests
for subject tests, i took biology, us history, and japanses :)
i know ACT is much easier but i don't know where to take and
how to prepare. in korea, SAT is the only way T-T
you said you are taking AP japanese, are you high schooler yet?

>>519
Good night!

>>520
It depends on the Korean 2cher, I think.

>>523
What are you talking about??


Anyway, I know some people won't stop whining you can't learn a foreign langauge after puberty because your brain is bla bla bla...

I just don't think adults' brains are too dumb to handle another language.
Ceartainly adults may not be able to learn/process language the same way as kids do,
but I do believe our cerebrums can take it. If one particular way of processing language is unavailable, you can do it another way.

I don't think our brains are so stupid they know no other way to process language well.
In fact, our first languages improve after puberty.

hi
and
bye

一本電話してきます。　２０分です。

>>519
Good night!
And thank you very-very much for your teaching about `furniture`.
I could understand well why the word cannot be used as a plural form.
Sorry to reply this late.

お休み。日本語の勉強頑張って下さいね。

http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=6KptltC-h9U
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=UDDIr-ZFljc&feature=related
http://kr.youtube.com/watch?v=7fsp2cUuDrA&feature=related

Enjoy the taste of K-guys! :P

hi, everyone how r u ?

>>530
A bit sleepy.

ha-
nothing to do

why do you talk about Krean guys? what's happened?

>>528
You don't have to thank her cuz she doesn't even thank for the posts
helping her with her homework regarding the Orochon menu.

>>515
Howard Stringer and Tom Jones were born close together in country
of Wales.

>531
haha so do i

>>534
Really ??
If my memory is correct, she thank everyone after being taught...
Or maybe, posts with regard to Orochon menu were too many in number to reply
every post and thank personaly.
Anyway, I think it's better not to take it so seriouly !!

>>534 check post >>111

I see a lot of posts which like `It's important TO NOT effort too much.` or
`It's hard TO NOT eat anything all day.`
I have thought that we should write NOT TO in this kind of sentense.
Is NOT TO grammaticaly correct?

>>539
Chuckled when I read your post. Capital letters make you look like your yelling.

As for "not to do" vs "to not do" things, it's called split infinitive or cleft infinitive in English.
Google the term and you'll get plenty of clear explanaitons about that.

Anyway, in a nutshell, you don't use "to not do" in a formal situation, but you can in an informal conversation.

Oh, I almost forgot. I (>>540) am not a native English speaker. Native speakers may have different opinions.

Oh, it's amazing that the usage of infinitive is named like that.
Ok, I knew from your post that I should not write `TO NOT` at the test
and I have had enough to know that.
Thank you for your help.

>>538
Stop talking nonsense.
She asked another question before she slept on the day.

>>543
Don't be a fag. Just because she forgot to say thanks to your post doesn't mean she's an ingrate.
Besides, she has helped us improve English and taught us about American culture.

Ah, you're female? In that case, show tits and then GTFO.

>>544
Forgot? Gimme a break. Chances are she'll say some excuses in her next post
but she definately read the responses to her last question.
She just felt bothered responding to them.
I can't believe someone who ask a question and don't even say thank you.

OK ok. She's senile or something and she doesn't even remeber she asked
the question.

I'm a man by the way.

hey!
i am wondering why are you guys talking about Korean guys -_-;;

>>545
>I'm a fag by the way.
fix'd.

>>546
Idiots depise Korea. That's it.

>>548
ah;;;; so .....;;;;
but... i am korean...;;

ごめん、そろそろ出かけます。でも今日は半日です。


ありがと　ｘｘ

>>549
Doesn't matter. There're lots of normal guys in here.

>>550
byebye

>>551
so what you mean is that korean guys are abnormal?

>>552
Me thinks it's a spam.

>>553
No. By "normal," I mean being fair.

>>554
spam? spiced ham? from Spain? that is really good hehe

>>555
did you ever meet any korean guys?

>>556
Haha. Not very hilarious.

>>558
no, but spam means ham -_-

>>557
Yeah. I've met more than a hundred in Pusan and several more in other contries.

>>560
so what is the problem? there are a lot of nice manner guys =_=

>>561
I didn't say Koreans were bad or anything. If anything, I like Korea.

>>553
Get out of here. All you can do is waste this thread with useless
conversation. Korean isn't welcomed to boot. Right after you read this post,
shut down the window displaying this thread and go somewhere else and
never come back. OK?

There are lots of websites you can spend your free time in.
And this thread in NOT one of them.

oh ok

i think i have to quit this site thigy T-T

i can't quite

>>563
No you.

>>563
whatever you say
you don't have any right to jugde me
only God can and what age are you from?
you still talking about discrimination?
now it is world wide
people from everywhere communicate with different country's people
if you don't like me, or where i am from
why dont you get out of here?
i came here to just enjoy
but i think you mess up this joy -_-

>>564
Yes. GET OUT!

READ MY LIPS. GET OUT OF HERE, SUNNY.

NO IFS AND BUTS.

JUST GET OUT!

>>567
well, i meant you

>>567
stone age -_-

>>557
One Korean guy is always emphasizing in this thread how Korean guys are good looking
and how popular they are among white people.
Everytime I read his post, I feel a little ashamed...

>>566
He's a good specimen of the idiots. No need to talk back to them. Maybe "Fuck your mom" is more than enough.

>>569
>>566
FUCK OFF. YOU ARE JUST A NEWBIE.

You waste this thread. If you wanna chat like last night wasting this
thread. Use another chatroom. Not this thread.

>>570
no, there are a lot of ugly guys and some ok looking guys and
handsome guys
but in japan, i think it is same too :)
so don't be ashamed

>>572
^-------------------^
may God give peace in your heart

>>574
We can't learn anything from your terrible English.
So please get out.

I don't quite understand why idiots are rampant on the internet and they hate Korea/Japan.
I haven't seen a person in their right mind say something that stupid in real life.

choi hong man

He's really good-looking. No one is anywhere near to his level.

>>573
>>573
No, no, I feel ashemed because he is saying stupid thing.
Imagine that one Japanese man is every time insisting how Japanese people are handsome and how they attract
white girls, without caring about stream of former conversation ?

Than's why I feel ashamed.

>>575
But then, you too should leave this place lol

I'd call sunny a spammer.

This thread didn't refuse even that Korean guy, who hate Japan and have a huge
confident in his country.

Why should this abled girl who have warm heart get out of here?
To be sure, she may be consuming this thread a little fast but it is not such a severe guilt
to expel her.

errible?
how terrible i am?
and i came to enjoy -_-
discrimination
what is that?
hatred
what is that?
hatred only produce another hatred
what did you learn in school?
morality
isn't that important?
why did God made this world?
to love
but what is this?
this is hatred from sin, from devil
sin nature can be controlled but it depends on how you do it

That's news heard for the first time by,
someone is trying to beg female's tits in exchange for helping learning language.
I'd say to annoying obsessive wordy one.

>>580
You've gone too far.
I think spammers are people who send/spread virous-infected e-mails or who copy&paste articles/AAs irrelavant to the topics.
At least she tries to talk. You should watch before jumping to the rush conclusion.

Sunny posts more often than others do in this thread, but, in fairness to her, there's anything stupid or childish in her words.
Some advanced learners may think her English isn't as good, but after all, we are all learners.
If anything, her grammar is better than the average posters in this thead.

I hate to say this, but I got a feeling that some guys hates her just because she's Korean, which is incredibly stupid.

Sunny is a spammer.

>>586
I think you are. Just stop it.

It depends on people's feeling, but,if that's taken as annoying one to people,
it's just another displeasure term.

Discrimination prevails in 2ch
and it is sure that there exisist those who hate Korea in Japan.
But ordinary Japanese have a decent personality especially those who
have intelligence.
I think you aren't discriminated and hated just because you are Korean in real life,
but this doesn't true of here 2ch at all.
This is bad aspect of 2ch.

Oops
->But ordinary Japanese have a decent personality especially those who
have intelligence don't do things like that.

>>589
I said quit it.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602097&sid=aNEB4Oh.5FjY&refer=world_currencies
Asian Currencies: Won, Thai Baht Decline on Slowdown Concern

I heard commodity prices in Korea has been gone up. Is that true?>Sunny

I want Sparky to be here in a time like this. lol

I neither like not dislike Korean. I just don't like Sunny.

>>591
Don't feed the spammer.

What's the thing saying "?2BP(0)" in her every post? Is she really just a noob?

She is just a noob here but seems like a hard-core 2 channeler.

>>594
I don't know, but I sometimes see people with the status in 2ch.
Probably something that is specifically used to dicern him/herself from others.
Guess she happened to use it without knowing how to do it and what it means.

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>>597
I'm afraid you'd go today

>>597
Just don't push F5 many times.

Which function is applied for F5?

>>600
F5 means to reload on some internet forums like 4chan.
You use it as in "f5ing at the speed of light."

Refreshing a displayed page

Important thing is, refrashing many times makes websites heavy.

just kick back and relax and start up fapping to

http://www.oshiete-kun.net/archives/2007/06/19_0024.html

Read this and you'll know that at least the spammer use 2ch browser.

>>600
F5 is for "reload" There's a board where amateur girls upload their nude
photos. 2channelers push F5 key frantically to see if the girls add a new photo on
the site such girls upload the photos to. Like this thread, while chatting
with 2channelers, these girls upload their photos and there's a time lag
between when they finish adding a new photo and when they announce they have just added
the new photo. During the fraction of time, rammy 2channelers keep
pushing F5.

>>605
Hmmm I'm not a frequenter of this thread. I didn't know. So maybe I should find
a small gadget, which will help me push F5 consecutively. A rapid firing keyboard
pushing machine? Anyway isn't it illegal to upload a photo of a naked body?

>>606
女神板 is the board in which you can see those girls nude photos, not
this board and this thread for that matter. Uploading nude photos isn't illegal.
Showing pussy is illegal if you upload to a server that's lovated in
Japan. If the server is overseas where showing pussy isn't illegal, then
that's OK. The servers these girls upload their photos to are in Japan.
So it's illegal. But sometimes you can see their pussy photos. They delete
all photos before they leave, so in most cases there's no troubles.

You push F5 frantically when you want to destory a server.
If tons of people seeing the same webpage push F5 key again and again at the same time, the server
can't deal with it and end up mulfanctioning.

>>603
wwww
Alt+F4
Winkey + Pause/Break

master geek sparky, I have some thing to say, won't you go to Akihabara?

http://en.akibablog.net/

I would treat otaku as a cool stuff in part, and I don't want to take them all as strange world.

F5 is the finishing move of Block Lesnar.
Of course he got the idea from the korean punishments on the japs
on the net.

He is korean descent as well. Block Lesnar has become UFC heavy weight
champion. I'm proud of it.

Brock Lesnar was correct.

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Originator of F5 attack is korean. I'm proud of it.

>>610
Dis you mean: heaven?

If you are loving that stuff, there is the heaven.

>>617
It's not really something you can be proud of, even if it's true.

robotinmatsuyama

Up to the present moment, japan, has sold many their automobiles desperately.
similarly, Akihabara sellers are doing work. To me, they have skills much to make a sell either.
Especially making a profit by selling in quantity.

>>545 I'm sorry if I offended you by not replying thank you to your post. I'm sure
it was helpful to my project and I appreciate it.
I'm pretty sure I mentioned it before but my school is approaching finals and
I have been extremely busy lately with schoolwork. I still want to help out
here though, so I try to check back and reply to anyone who needs help or any posts
I've missed, but sometimes I miss something. I'm human.
Also, the culture must be different in America, because you aren't expected to say
"thank you" to each individual within a group that helps you with a single thing.
You can say thank you in general for any help you receive, which I believe is
what I did. Similarly, If I enter a room with a group of people I don't need to say
"Hi" to everyone individually. I'm sorry if I think of you as a group, but most here
post anonymously, so It is difficult to tell if someone new is posting or if it is the
same person posting a second time.
Also, in America, you can show appreciation without saying so directly,
by showing how you used the help or gift that they gave you.
When I finish my short essay I plan on showing you guys what I've done, and since I likely still
have more questions about it that I haven't yet asked, I planned on thanking everyone
once I was finished for all the help.

>>623
I think he was in a bad mood or something. Honestly, saying thanks to every single help isn't practical or feasible, especially on an anonymous board.
I kind of understand the Japanese tend to be more polite in that regard though.

After all, we're posting on 2ch and he wasn't using a name or trip code.
Accusing posters with names while staying anonymous isn't fair;
if you were anonymous, he couldn't have identify you.

By the way, the article you kindly linked me to in >>511 says some things that are sort of against your theory:

>The fMRI studies suggest that the difficulty adult learners of a second language may have is not with understanding the words of the second language, but with the motor skills of forming the words with the mouth and tongue.

>These various neuroscience studies tell us that the brain is a remarkably plastic entity. A combination of listening and vocalization seems to be the most biologically advantageous method of acquiring a second language for both adults and children.

>>624
I recommend you say thank you for each and every answer to your questions
to be on the safe side. That's the way we are. You said before you feel like as if
you were chatting with native English speakers but in reality that's not
the case. Keep in mind how hard it is to explain things in a foreign
language.

>>625
You're talking to >>623?

I have a question about how to use "and" and "but" more properly.

Please take a look at the sentence below and think about which is suitable to fill the blank.
*This sentence comes from the book I mentioned yesterday - "speak like american", and I blanked the conjunction.

・I had a chemistry test, (　) I blew it.
* My translation of it is しけんを受けた(　）、しっぱいした

As a Japanese, I'd use "but" in this context.
It's because if asked whether to use "けど"(but) or "ので"(and), Japanese people would choose けど.
But English speakers use "and"in a context like this.
Why is it "and"?
I'm sure 80~90% of the usage of "and" matches that of Japanese, but I am sometimes worried
if I use "and" correctly. Please shed any light on this.

* I found out Japanese-speaking English speakers seem to be faced with the same problem.
When I see Japanese-vlogs which learners of Japanese posted, lots of them use "そして" and "ので",
where Japanese would say "しかし" and "けど" instead.

>>625
We got only several native English speakers while a bunch of non-native English speakers talk to them.
I think this offsets the difficulty of speaking in a freign language.

>>626
Yes.

>>628
I don't buy that. She doesn't have to feel guilty of not answering all
the questions here because she's not responsible for answering each of them.
But she should feel guilty of not saying thank you because she was the one
who asked the question.

>>628
Just stay out of it, dude.

>>627
けど can mean "and" just like も can mean "or."
Most bilingual dictionaries say "or" means あるいは, and も is "and,"
but you say, "I don't speak English or Japanese," which would be translated as 英語も日本語も話せません。

Also, I said, "I don't speak...," but natural translation would be "...話せません," not 話しません。while dictionaries may say ません is "can't," not "don't."

I think it may be better not to use your first language at all when using another language.
IMHO, it's like considering, when you read a fromal Japanese phrase, what the colloquial equivalent would be.

There's no point rephrasing a sentence unless you're practicing rephrasing/translation.

>>629
Did you read >>623? Are you gynophobic or what? Stop whining, faggot.

>>631
Thanks.
>I think it may be better not to use your first language at all when using another language.
I agree with the idea, and I try not to as far as I can.

But I still don't understand.
Why isn't it OK/unnatural to use "but" in the context?
You need to understand the mechanism of the differences between your first and second in order to get rid of your first language when
thinking in second?

>>632
Did you read >>629? You donkey balls sucker.

Oh well, hope your butt heals soon everybody!

Is dude widely used by any americans including otaku amercans?

Basically, this thread is for chatting in English.

The bellow is the thread for asking a question to native English speakers.
http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1218442480/l50

>>633
Apprently native speakers like Crystal can explain the and/but thing in detail (and I can be totally wrong)
but I think "but" is better because the fact that you failed doesn't contrast with the fact that you took a test, e.g.,

I took the test, and I blew it. 試験うけてさー、やっちゃったんだよねー。

You can also say 試験うけたんだけどさー、やっちゃったんだよねー。without chaging the meaning.
This clearly shows けど in this sentence has no but-ish sense. It just mean "and."

It's not that you can use "but" only when you introduce something which contrasts with what you just said,
but I couldn't come up with a better explanation using grammar...

I do believe grammar is useless when you learn expressions.
It's great only when you verbalize something you intuitively know.

>>633
>You need to understand the mechanism of the differences between your first and second in order to get rid of your first language when
thinking in second?

Sorry, I don't quite follow you...

Anyway, I think foreign words are like obsucure Japanese words that you don't often use.
A difficult Japanese word or a big word is slightly different from simple, frequent word in meaning.
Similarly every word in English has slightly different meaning than equivalents you can find in a dictionary.

でも is pretty much the same as が and しかし, but it's slightly different in meaning and usage.
The same goes for でも and "but." They are similar but different in meaning and usage.

By the same token, an English grammar rule is like an obscure Japanese syntax.
There are many difficult sentence structures you don't normally use such as
暦の上に春は立ちながら, and 私見にて候えば.
These are proper Japanese, but they can't be explained by simple grammar rules; you need another set of rules.

Thinking in your first language while using your second langauge is like analyzing a sentence word by word
so that you know 暦の上に春は立ちながら means 暦でいうところの定義では春になりましたが in vernacular Japanese.

Don't you think it's ridiculous?
That's why I think there's no point saying two languages are different when you learn a foreign language.

Can anyone help me with the meaning on this? This is part of the reading test for my Japanese final.
日本とアメリカのかんけいが悪くなったので八歳のとき、日本にかえりました。
I understand it except for 「悪くなった」
The sentence is saying something like, "Because relations between Japan and America were not bad (?) she moved back to Japan when she was eight years old."
But, if the meaning is "wasn't bad" shouldn't it be written 悪くなかった? I'm confused because the か is missing.
What is the actual meaning of this word?

>>640
悪くなった means "got worse," "became worse," "took a bad turn," "grew more serious," "deteriorated," and whatnot.

悪い+なる in the past tense.

Argh! I forgot to clear the name fied!

>>641 Thanks for that. I guess I was just interpreting it wrong.
Now that you explained it, I see what the sentence meant to say.
I sometimes get tripped up by little things like that.

>>643
My pleasure.

By the way, the Japanese sentense uses several kanji such as 悪, 八 and 歳,
while complex words with more strokes like かんけい (関係) are left in hiragana.

Is 歳 considered simple by Japanese learners?
I thought 八歳 was relatively difficult and am curious why your teacher didn't use 八才 instead.

Hello all.
>>640
So does it mean something like, "Japan and America relations became bad(deteriorated), so 8 years ago (I) returned to Japan" ?

>>645
Hello.

I think 八歳の時 means "when X was 8 years old." Jook only missed 悪くなった. in the original post.
Probably he guessed X was a she from the context.

>>644 かんけい was kanji in the original text. Apparently it just didn't convert when I was typing it.
歳　is complex, and I don't like writing it. I use kana for writing age, personally.
If I had known 才 before, I would use it. I'll try to remember it now, it's much better.

>>646 The passage is about Yoko Ono, so yes - it's she.
For the record, Japanese-American relationships deteriorated because you guys bombed our boats.

>>524
Yup, I'm taking AP Japanese.
Despite taking 3 years of Japanese, I decided I did not know enough to do well on the SAT II Subject test so I didn't take it.
I'm not trying to brag here but the difference between ACT and SAT was huge for me.
I scored in the 99th percentile on the ACT but only a 90th percentile on the SAT.
Both tests are considered equally by colleges, so if you do poorly on the SAT I strongly recommend finding someway to take the ACT.
>>646
Oh, whoops! I knew that, I feel stupid now.

>>647 I shouldn't get into that. America did worse to Japan.
For what it's worth, sorry about that.

My great uncle, who is 90 something by now, told me recently that he went to Japan in the
1960s. He said the people there were extraordinarily polite and he had never met such nice
people.

>>649
You're either reckless or have some 大きい gonads there, jook. This is 2ch after all.

VERY THEORETICALLY, if the US did not drop the bombs would the casualty counts been worse?
Some historians say Japan would not have surrendered if the US invaded mainland Japan until all military resources were depleted.
This line of thought presumes Japan would fight to the last man if given the chance, theoretically resulting in high casualty numbers.

I think this is a terrible idea and is justifying the use of nuclear weapons based solely on a numbers game. A better alternative that was suggested was that the US would conduct a test nuclear explosion in the ocean near mainland Japan,
demonstrating the US's potential power. Do you know why this plan wasn't chosen? The US was afraid the Japanese would send a boat with American POWs to the test location, who would be killed by the blast.
Honestly I think that is the most stupid line of thinking. Ever. Obviously this had more to do with hatred of the Japanese at the time then preventing deaths.

Bah, maybe there is no merit in discussing this anymore since it was over 50 years ago and we are of a completely different generation. It's sad to think such atrocities happened when Japan and America have good relations now.

>>647
Yeah, I also had trouble remembering 歳 when I was a school grader lol
I think it's improtant to recognize the harder kanji, but you can get by with 才.

>>649
We punched you in the face first anyway.
You just got back at us with a little powerful bombs.

Hmm... I said "got back at us," but does it make sense? I don't know if native speakers would say that.
Somehow it's always in the present tense when I hear the phrase.

>>650
1960s... It's before I was born. Seems the Japanese were nicer than we are now.

>>652 "got back at us" is appropriate. It's something a native speaker would say.

>>653
Thanks. It's strange I always hear it in the presentce, but I guess it's just a coincidence.

I wanted to say present tense, not presentce...

>>654 You could also say "got us back"

>>656
Thank you. Your post reminded me of the first sentence I ran across that used "get someone back" in that sense:

"I'm going to get you back so badly you're never going to be able to show your face again."

>>636 Personally, I say "dude" all the time.
But, I live in California. It might not be widespread everywhere.

>>627 Answering this way might not seem very helpful, but I'd say you could phrase your sentence either way.
"I had a chemistry test, but I blew it."
"I had a chemistry test, and I blew it."
They're very close in meaning, and neither one sounds strange.
The only difference maybe, is that the first one might seem to imply that you expected to do well.

>>658 It should also be noted that I also say things like "alas," so I may not be a good example...

>>660 also, "forsooth" and "blasphemy" and "zounds!"
Although, >>636, if you're asking SHOULD you say dude, then by all means, go for it.
Especially in California. Or Hawaii, probably.

>>659
I just realized the meaning of 化学のテストを受けたけど、しっぱいした lies somewhere between these two sentences.
You can mean either way. It depends on your tone of voice. Seems very difficult to tarnslate subtle nuances.

>>661
I've never heard a native speaker say zounds in person... God's wounds!

>>663 That's my point. People just don't say these words, but I like them.
Dude isn't actually so uncommon though, especially around here. I wouldn't know about other parts of the country so much.
Certainly I don't have a clue whether peopel would say it in other English-speaking countries.

>>664
I'd say dude is pretty common, especially among younger people. Also, I've known Australians, New Zealanders, and Brits who've I've heard say "dude".
I've grown attached to using "y'all" lol. Mostly I'll use it when I walk into a classroom
and say, "'Sup y'all". Pretty odd for a Midwesterner like myself, but I find it funny.

my image board new name!
よつば☆ちゃんねる
is this good?

>>665
You seem to say lol fairly often on the internet. I'm curious what you pronounce it when you read the acronym (or initialism?) in your head.

My grandmother once gave me a shirt that's somewhere between a happi coat and a robe.
It might be full-length if a short JApanese woman was wearing it.
My grandmother received it from a Japanese exchange stuent (female) who stayed with her some time ago.
Anyway, the back of the shirt (happi? yukata? something?) says this:
日本一だよ男伊達
Japan is number 1, something about men?
What does it mean?

>>667 how do you pronounce "wwwwww" in your head?
As for me, "lol" sounds like either lull or lawl in my head. But really, it isn't supposed to be read that way.

>>668 I took pictures
http://i36.tinypic.com/ip5ah3.jpg

>>670 Also this
http://i34.tinypic.com/iqhu7t.jpg
If I wear it, it reaches my knees, and I'm 6 feet tall.

Nice jackets! Cool!
Is 6feet same to about 180cm?

>>672
According to Google: 6 feet = 182.88 centimeters

>>672
See >>668 though. What does it mean?

>>668
No, no.
It means something like `You are the most handsome man in Japan. You are the best.`

For example, `まあ、なんてjookはかっこいいんでしょう。あなたは、日本一だよ、伊達男！`
But, it isn't usually used and young people never say such thing.

>>675 Oh, really? That's pretty funny then. Thanks!
I guess I'll wear it more then, if it's something like that.
Most people won't know what it means here anyway, but I wanted to be sure, just in case.
I appreciate your help! ^_^

Wow! My tall is 182.9cm! so I AM obviasly almost 6 feet!
Where do you live?

>>669
I don't hear any voice when I see w at the end of a sentence. It's like I don't pronounce emoticons such as :) and v^_^.
For some reason, "lol" seems to be an acronym to me and it sounds like lawl in my head too.
Interesting.

>>670
Nice happi!

As for 男伊達, it's a kind of roll model of cool Japanese guys. The word is a little old so it represents a classic "cool guy" character.
You may consider it the Japanese equivalent of chivalry or a chivalrous man.

男伊達 can mean either behavior or a 男伊達-ish man.
男伊達 would sacrifice himself, has a code of honor, and helps the week by crushing the strong.
He is manly in a sense. Pretty much the opposit of a fag.

Sorry, I watched carefully and found that it isn't `伊達男` but `男伊達`.

I'm Japanese but I have never heard `男伊達` in my life.
Probably, it is metaphor of `伊達男`.
If not, I cannot grasp the meaning at all.

>>677 Southern California
>>678 Thanks for your extra explanation. It's good to know the extra nuances.

I think If anyone asks me what it means, I'll tell them, "It means I'm incredibly awesome."
Does that sound about right? ;)

>>679
男伊達 is おとこだて, not 伊達男 (だておとこ). The latter means just a cool and fashinable guy.

四つ葉のクローバー☆ちゃんねる

IS THIS a better name for my image board?

>>682 clover? Why?
Anyway, Yotsuba is 4chan's mascot.

>>680
>I'm incredibly awesome.

Hit the nail on the head.

>>683
4 leaf sprout in Japanese?

>>676
It's my pleasure. You can ask whatever you want.

>>681
Thank you. I have to learn Japanese a lot.

>>684 This post makes me laugh.
Glad I interpreted it right, though.

4 leaf sprout

i need a direct translation of the words above in Japanese to name the board!

>>688 you haven't been paying attention. Direct translations between languages don't work.
Words always have different nuances and meanings.
The closest you can do is something that "feels" pretty much the same.

So, on Sparky's behalf, I ask whether someone is willing to produce that. ;)

a 4 leaf 双葉

>>690 Here you go: 四葉双葉

>>691 or 四葉の双葉

>>691
四葉双葉 = four leaf futaba

i don't like it

I LOVE IT!

Anyway, it's once again class time. Not 日本語 tonight. 今晩は英語の授業。宮元武蔵を勉強しています。
Are those kanji for the name correct? I'll see when I come back in a few hours.

thanks ^^
arigatou!

四葉双葉☆ちゃんねる

url coming soon

>>694
Me thinks 元 should be 本 so it reads 宮本武蔵 if you're talking about the famous sword master.
宮元 also is a common Japanese name though.

四葉双葉☆ちゃんねる

IS THIS
FOUR LEAF SPROUT CHANNEL?

>>680
Woah, jook. You don't happen to go to a certain school with a fetish for Trojans do you?
If you do, it is very relevant to my interests (or SoCal in general, my top choice is said school).

Yonhafutaba☆Channel

good looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong name

>>Hi everyone. I got a virus ... so I'm feeling pretty crappy today, sorry if
my responses suck because of it.

>>624
Well, for the record I have not been checking to make sure every Japanese
person I've helped here has said thank you to me personally. Even if I did,
everyone else here can hide under the cloak of anonymity. If I ever ask
for help here with my Japanese again, I promise I will try hard to thank
everyone that helps me individually. However, I'm not Japanese, nor am I perfect,
so I make mistakes, and I apologize in advance for offending anyone.
What more can I do really? ごめんなさい

Also, The article I showed you is saying the same thing I am. I'm not
saying learning a second language is impossible, it's just much harder
and one of the reasons is that your brain processes it differently. When
you were young and learning your first language you didn't consciously
think about grammar rules and why some things worked while others did not.
You just used trial and error. It's useless to tell a young kid who is
speaking in a certain way that is wrong how to say things right, etc.
They aren't learning by memorizing rules and when to use one thing versus
another, they just observe and absorb the info subconsciously. Your brain
is somewhat programmed by your first language. When we are young we first
learn to hear and say all the possible phonetic sounds, then we adapt our
language over our young childhood and throw out the sounds we don't need.
After a certain point we can no longer hear or say these sounds.

>>638 I think you pretty much have it right. In English "but" almost has
the meaning that you didn't really do the thing you said in the first part
of the sentence. In a sentence like that a native speaker probably wouldn't
notice if you said "but" unless they were paying a lot of attention. A better
use of "but" with the same subject would be: "I expected to do well on the
chemistry test, but I blew it." Also, "I expected to take the chemistry test,
but it was postponed so that we could have one more day of review." ...
"but" in English, almost means the same as "except" or "instead" in these
circumstances.

>>699 My mom went to its rival school.

>>701
Don't make such a big deal out of it.
All you have to do is just check if someone answer your question and
say thank you. I wouldn't call it an effort, trying hard or anything.
That's just a matter of course.

I think 双葉 should not be traslated into english with stretch only because it's definitive name on the anime.
yothuba, a four-leaf clover say expression as the lucky symbol.
if you are aware of the futaba channel and are going to aim their features, you might note down the points on board
" Yothubafutaba channel is newborn board, do you find what you'd feel lucky" or something like that.

I went to Japan this year, and I want to go back. I didn't used to be a weeaboo until that.

>>704
Yothubafutaba = 4 leaf sprout?

>>706
I don't think yotsubahutaba means 4 leaf sprout.
When we say yotsuba, it means four-leaved clover.
No other species. It's always clover when we say yotsuba.

http://compy4.b33r.net/sparky4/+4/

FFFFFFFFF

GRAND RE-OPEN!
四葉双葉☆ちゃんねる

>>706
Nobody uses your board so you can name it whatever you like.
I doesn't matter if it sounds wierd or not.

>>709 lol...

BTW I pronounce that in my head as "el oh el" ...

>>707
ok so it is
yonhafutaba Channel

>>709
were can i find users?

>>708
You're always talking about your own forum and I haven't seen you
talking about other stuff. Don't you have enough communication skills?
Isn't that why you feel isolated, put up irrelevant AAs?

>>712 Maybe your mother could join.

>>705
Which part of Japan did you visit?

>>708

i can talk about computers!!!!
i know about
c:\>
DOS
because
Windows me is built on DOS
http://compy4.b33r.net/sparky4/+4/test/phpinfo.php
my phpinfo
shows system path
and What OS compy4 is useing

>>712
Doesn't sound good. got worse.
yotsubahutaba is better in my opinion.

>>717
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
i gotta rename everything again

>>716
Where did you learn your computer skills?

Your board is in your self made server at home?

>>718
Settle for 四葉双葉 (Yotsuba futaba)
In a strict sense, that may not be right but that's not so wierd.

>>719
I'm am 17 years old
took me a full year to learn ALOT about computers
>Where did you learn your computer skills?
home my 2 compys and 2 lappys taught me ALOT
basically i messed with computers

Your board is in your self made server at home?
yes

my primary pc (this server) is named compy4

this is an upgraded year 2000 pc

Microsoft Windows ME 4.90.3000
IE 5 5.50.4134.0100
Uptime: 0:03:09:41
Normal mode
Gateway, Inc.
GenuineIntel Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.40GHz
511MB RAM

>>718
The reason why I thought 四葉双葉 is wierd is that it's impossible
to be four leaved(=四葉） and two leaved(=双葉）
But if you think two words(=四葉 and 双葉) are in line, 四葉双葉 doesn't
sound wierd.

>>722
yeah i thought it was wired too
四葉 = 4leafed sprout?

>>721

Did you read many books about computer or research on the Internet about
PC and server?

internets
wwwwwww
read about the hardware before you start
http://compy4.b33r.net/sparky4/+4/pc/src/1228102092470.jpg
this is compy4
the server that hosts
四葉☆ちゃんねる

>>701
>After a certain point we can no longer hear or say these sounds.

Read the article you linked to again. It says otherwise.
Your comment there proves you haven't seen a person who achieved native or native-like fluency.

Also, it seems to me that Americans, at least you, tend to assume people normally learn their second languages by memorizing words and rules.
If you think "learners" only mean those who are rich enough to get better education,
then they have probably been learning langauge as you described, and most likely failed in acquiring second languages though.

Anyway, if you think it's quite difficult to learn second langauges after puberty, then it is, I think,
not because of your brain, but your method which you believe everyone was, is, must be pursuing.

I believe such intentional learning is failure prone for many, if not all, of us.
I had learned English at school for almost 8 years, and they didn't help much.
I can say that what I learned by intentinally memorizing vocabulary and
studying grammar and syntax
contributes to less than 0.00000000001% of my English skills I have now.

In fact, I don't know much about grammar, regardless of my mother tongue or not.
I don't memorize rules or drill myself in vocabulary; I don't like rote learning.
Judging from my 8 years experience at school, it's safe to say that they don't work for me.
Furthermore, as I said in another post, I have also seen a plethora of learners who applied the strategy and got nowhere.

>>723
四葉　usually means four leaved clover.

The species is limited to clover.

I don't know what you mean by sprout but sprout can be applied to
any species, right?

Some of my friends speak Japanese fluently as a second or third language.
One of them speaks better than your average Japanese. No one would doubt she's a educated Japanese.
On top of that, when she started learning Japanese, she was already 25.
They didn't acquire their second and/or third languages by the intentional learning you just mentioned.
They did just like kids do.

I know anecdotal evidence isn't anything reliable, but it seems there are too many learners who tried to memorize grammar and such and failed
while I know a few who succeeded by learning language in a different way.

I hate to say this, but you made me think that quite a few Americans may have the stereotypical idea you just described.

ok
gotta go edit everything again -.-

>>726
Then what do you think contributes to 99.999999999999% of your English skills you have now?

>>725
Looks cool.
>>729
四葉双葉 is not that bad.

>>730
The fluent Japanese speaker I mentioned in >>728 also speaks English and she taught me how to learn a language.
Basically, to read/listen to English and then to speak/write English. That's pretty much it.

>>731
it is cool beause it is old school
that is the fastest Windows me pc
and
the Fastest TRUE DOS gaming pc
no emulators required

>>733
Are you using ME for gaming? What games do you play?

Learning like a kid means... what? Not trying to translate words and phrases, but
learning the language like it's your first? I would appreciate it if someone could
expand on this method.

>>732
To read/listen to English and then to speak/write English, you need to
know grammar and vocabulary.
And grammar and vocabulary is what you learn at school so "studying grammar and syntax
contributes to less than 0.00000000001% of my English skills I have now" doesn't
convincing. What you learned in junior high and high school's classes
cotributes to your English skills pretty much, in my opinion.

>>726 We don't hear or say those sounds, we can learn to again but it can be
difficult.
Obviously you have spent a great deal of time to get where you are in English.
You can't say the 8 years of schooling didn't help you at all. The introduction
to the grammar rules and vocabulary you received is a huge part of why you were
able to get as far as you are now. Simple immersion does not work in our adult lives,
we have to know why and understand and have a great deal more exposure than we had
when we were young and learned our first language.
Again, I'm not saying it's impossible to learn a second language to fluency, but I am
saying you learn it differently than your first language. No little kid ever has to ask
why you say and rather than but in a certain sentence, etc. They just do.

>>735 To me it's learning exactly as a kid would. They don't ask questions and they don't
listen and correct when they are wrong. They never talk about grammar rules or have to think
about them, they just speak and become progressively better.

>>735
You still hear the story of Elvis sighting?

>>734
Free DooM

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99824 Hanyuu 08/12/05(Fri)02:06 No.149375 [Reply]

Wot Hanyuu must do wen rise up in morning?

>> 【火花(4 ^ヮ^)】 ミ田!AZWpeumso.!!0LtDRJ3D 08/12/05(Fri)02:17 No.149377

四葉双葉
PANCAKES!

>> 08/12/05(Fri)02:20 No.149378

Blueberries or bananas I can see, but what kind of sick person puts sprouts in their pancakes?

>> 【火花(4 ^ヮ^)】 ミ田!AZWpeumso.!!0LtDRJ3D 08/12/05(Fri)02:30 No.149379

COPYLEFT 2008 四葉双葉☆ちゃんねる ALL WRONGS RESERVED

me

>>740
that is something funny form iichan /b/

im going to sleep =.=
i hate school
it is pc's hell

>>735
You hear stories of Elvis sighting even after new millenium?

>>742

I'm ashamed to say this, but yes.

>>743
Good!

>>702
UCLA?
I couldn't give a rat's ass about football really, I just like the school.

>>745 I don't really care either. The rivalry goes a little beyond football
though. Some people still take a firm side on the 2 schools even though they
don't care about football. I don't take a side though and neither does my mom.

>>745
If you can score such good marks in SAT or ACT, can't you enroll in better
unis such as Stanford and Caltech?

Hey native English speakers, does your dad or mom work for any of the Forutne 500
companies?

So sleepy...

>>737
>they just speak and become progressively better.

Kids do use dictionaries and lean some grammar at school. Didn't you?
I think these are equally important. Do you think an American who has never looked up a dictionary
or taken an English class speaks as fluently/eloquently as an educated native speaker like you? I doubt that.

>Simple immersion does not work in our adult lives,

I think so too. That's why kids need to learn their first languages at school.
Maybe adult learners need more instruction than kids.

>You can't say the 8 years of schooling didn't help you at all.

I don't say it did nothing. It helped improve English especially when I was a total beginner.
I do think learning some basics is good for beginners.
It's just negative side effects of intenional learning seem so huge I think we should wean ourself off translation as soon as possible.

Anyway, my English sucks hard because I spent 8 years learning rules and translations lol.
...I wish someone had told me about language learning and immersion eariler in my life ;_;

>>747
I considered it for a long time but I decided against it. Caltech is too focused on sciences etc. for my tastes
and Stanford is demanding to the point of being overly stressful(and extremely hard to get into).
I'm basically looking for a school that isn't filled with math nerds or people who get perfect SAT/ACT scores.
I almost have that kind of environment at my high school and I don't like it.
However, I am applying to schools like Columbia University, University of Pennsylvania, and Cornell University.
Also, those schools have a BA degree in Computer Science, as opposed to a BS degree. University of Southern California is my top choice
because of their innovative programs in Computer Science and Interactive Media(interactive software).
So yes, they are Ivy League schools but they're not MIT, Yale, Harvard, or Princeton.

>>750
Are you planning on going to grad school after getting BA?

I'm in no way opinionated on this issue, but to me grammar can explain about 50% of
a second language and the rest relies on intuition which includes exceptions and
stuff kids learn spontaneously without making conscious effort in their youth. So for
a learner of the second language, it might be benefitial to cover those intuitional areas
as well as just getting used to it thorough unlimited immersion to it, but it's too much of
a stretch to dismiss all the other factors that do help learning the language otherwise.

>>749 It sounds like you don't give your schooling anything near the credit it
deserves. You really think it hurt you more than it helped? I suggest you try your
immersion-only technique on a language such as french or something where you have
no basis in its grammar rules or phonetics. A child is completely competent in a
language before he reaches school. The only things that need to be learned in school
are things such as reading, writing, and more advanced vocabulary, not that of everyday
speech.

>>751
Hahaha, that's pretty far down the road, don't you think?
I'll worry about getting into a college first.

>>754 I'm going to go to grad school. I want to teach ESL in college or
a private program someday. You need a masters degree to do that.

>>755
You've got that in the bag Crystal.

This has been suggested before, but what do people think of doing a skype conference call?
Christmas break is coming up in the US so I think people like jook and Crystal would have more time to participate.
It's just a wild idea, I have no plans or more detailed ideas about it. Just throwing the suggestion out there.

>>756 That would be fun... after the semester is over of course. I'm so
busy lately. I shouldn't really be participating in this board at all right
now probably, lol.

>>757
I thought you were going to be extremely busy too. lol

>>753
Ah, those French learners...
I'm not one of those fanatic supporters of Stephen Krashen.

>A child is completely competent in...everyday speech.

When I talk about learning language, I mean skills beyond that.
Everyone can be as competent as little kids if they listen to and speak the target langauge 24/7 for years.
It's difficult for adults to immerse themselves as hardcore as kids do unless they have no life though.

I guess foreign language education in America is much better than ours.
You may not believe this, but when I was a student, most of English teachers in junior high and high schools in Japan don't speak English lol
I really thank some professors I met at university though.

>>758 I am really busy... I'm just really bad when it comes to procrastinating.
Today I'm sick though and not really feeling like doing much but relaxing.
Chatting with you guys and helping with English is relaxing to me. It makes me
feel good to help out.
>>759 ... Yeah Japan probably ought to have more native English speakers as teachers for
that reason. In America I think pretty much all of the Japanese teachers are actually
Japanese.
What I mean by kids not having to learn anything but additional vocab through school, is
that an English native speaker, even a kid wouldn't ask their teacher almost all of the things
I have seen second language learners ask on this board. They learn these types of things with
immersion. Also, there is a lot of complicated vocabulary that I have heard only very
rarely in English but somehow I know the meaning and can use it. I know though that it
was never taught to me in school.
You said: "Everyone can be as competent as little kids if they listen to and speak the target language 24/7 for years."
I don't think this is true, because with such a different language from your own it will always
be easier to you to learn if you ask why things are as they are and what the rules are. For first
language learning, it is just the way things are and it is easy to accept because you've never
heard of another way. For second language learning the foreign element does come into play.

>>749
Your English sure sucks and you contradicts yourself, too.
If you insist the opinions of yours and your friend's are right, just keep immersing
yourself in English. Then time will improve your English and you'll be
better at English. Age doesn't matter from what you insist.

>>750
I know MIT and Harvard is the best but Yale and Princeton are considered
better than the rest of IV league universities?

>>697 Yes, I'm talking about Miyamoto Musashi. You say that ought to be 宮本?
>699 Nah, I'm at a local community college. Why?

>>750
She graduated from Brown university.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=R5LbkqljtJo&eurl=http://perapera.livedoor.biz/archives/381778.html

>>755
You're thinking of applying JET program?

>>765 Probably not... You only need a bachelors for JET, but I don't really
want to go to Japan alone. Maybe If a friend or my boyfriend joined JET with
me I would go. Mostly I just like to visit Japan. I'm not so sure about living
there. :P

You are not required to have a masters degree to apply for the JET program, I think.

>Maybe If a friend or my boyfriend joined JET with
me I would go.

you sound like an infant or something.
"I will go if Jane goes with me!" kinda thing.

>>765 I've thought about it. I think I'd like to try it, myself.

>>768 Well I know long distance relationships don't work from experience.
I've been with my boyfriend 4 and a half years now so leaving for a year
to be in another country would be a big deal. If I weren't in a relationship I
would probably go alone. Also, if my boyfriend ever finishes his bachelors,
it probably won't be till I'm done with my Masters sadly.
If it were not for those drawbacks, it would be a good idea for me.

Then that meets one of her conditons.

>>760
>Today I'm sick though and not really feeling like doing much but relaxing.
Chatting with you guys and helping with English is relaxing to me. It makes me
feel good to help out.

Ah, you're such a nice person. Please take care of yourself.

>Yeah Japan probably ought to have more native English speakers as teachers for
that reason. In America I think pretty much all of the Japanese teachers are actually
Japanese.

I think I heard someone say she was going to grad school and major in ESL. If my memory severs me, she was a native Englsih speaker.
Do you think she will come to Japan and teach English in college? (Hm. I wonder if >>766 and >>769 have something to do with this.)

>Also, there is a lot of complicated vocabulary that I have heard only very
rarely in English but somehow I know the meaning and can use it. I know though that it
was never taught to me in school.

There are tons of words I don't know when and how I learned:
zounds, stymie, crossness, indolent bliss, androphobia, falbala, purgatory...

I guess it happens to everyone, regardless of language.

>because with such a different language from your own it will always
be easier to you to learn if you ask why things are as they are and what the rules are.

I always thought grammar was confusing, but you seem to be positive that learing rules is necessary. Hmm... Maybe memorizing rules works for some; to each their own.

>>761
Like I said, it's difficult to immerse yourself hardcore. I do have a life.
I suck at langauge, and you suck my cock. Get some reading comprehension skills.

Skype makes a big difference in today's long term relatioship.

>>772
I think I heard someone say she was going to grad school and major in ESL. If my memory severs me, she was a native Englsih speaker.
Do you think she will come to Japan and teach English in college? (Hm. I wonder if >>766 and >>769 have something to do with this.)
_______________

Your use of "someone" and "she" here is confusing to me.

I didn't really know there were jobs available in Japan for English
native speakers to teach English. From what I have heard, the schools
would rather hire Japanese people who have a good command of the English
language. Is this not true? Is it different for college teachers? Maybe it
would be an option for me to teach college English in Japan the requirements
were just a Masters degree and if the salary were as good as it is here.

>>773 Nothing can beat actually being there though.

>>772
>I suck at langauge, and you suck my cock. Get some reading comprehension skills.

No thank you, faggot. You should get better writing skills or have a modest enough
brain for that matter to regtognize you contradict yourself.

>>774
>Your use of "someone" and "she" here is confusing to me.

He's typing sucking his own dick so please go easy on his mistakes.

>>776 Personally, I think that >>772 seems to be very good at English.
But what do I know right? I'm just a native speaker.

Can we try to keep the comments positive? Cursing in English isn't
really the preferred thing to practice, though it might come in handy
someday, lol.

A long term relationship is pretty hard on both ends, that I'm sure of.
But what if you could immerse yourself enough to feel the other on Skype?

>>774
There are lots of English teaching job slots, rainging from ALT at
public schools on JET program to a teacher at private language schools. Holding a bachelor's degree
is enough in most cases.

If you get master's degree, getting those jobs isn't worth of your
credential. It's better to find a job at university in Japan.

>>779 So university jobs in Japan will accept a native speaker with a Masters degree?
That is good to know. Thanks

>>774
>Your use of "someone" and "she" here is confusing to me.

Ignore that. It's an example of literal translation. I was just having fun.

As for jobs in Japan, I know several Americans and Australians teaching English in some colleges.
I don't know if it's difficult for foreigners to get a job.
Anyway, yen is incredibly strong now. I guess the salary isn't very bad.

>>775
Hmm... You don't want to suck my cute pinkie? Fine then. Nitpick at my engrish.
That way you can curse and I can get better!

>>777
He said his English sucks so I just agreed. Then he asked me to
suck his dick so I politely refuse it.

Seems like it's OK for him to say his English sucks but he doesn't want
anybody to point that out.

This is going nowhere, just quit it.

>>782
I am most grateful if you could correct my engrish in my posts.

>>781
Excuse me?
I've never nitpicked your mistakes in Engrish, English or whatever.
You said your English sucks and I just agreed with you.

>>784
Who wants to correct your Engrish when you cuss a lot to me?
Ask anybody else without cuss words, ok?

>>785
I seriously doubt your reading comprehension skills...

>>786
It might be better to stop whining then, sir.

>>788
I'm not whining. Not a bit.
Seems like you are the one who should improve your reading comprehension skills...

>>789
By the way, where are you from? You age everytime you post. I guess you're not familiar with 2ch.

>>790
By the way, where are you from? You sage everytime you post. I guess you're not familiar with 2ch.

>>791 I thought it was just good form to sage every post. Shouldn't I be?

>>791
I'm posting from Tokyo. I thought you were just another troll, but you seem to have read my posts.
I know real trolls never bother to read a long post.
Actally I don't read more than 3 lines when I troll anons on 4chan.

What are you doning in here anyway?

>>792
You don't have to sage everytime you post here.
Sage is often used when your post is irrelavant to the theme of a thread.
But this is chat in English thread so there's no such irrelevant posts.

>>794
wut

>>794 is right though.
You don't have to unless you don't want to get attention for some reason.

>>793
I'm from Tokyo, too. Then again, Yokohama or maybe Mars.
What am I doing here? Chatting of course.

>>794
>>796
Same person. You don't need to sockpuppet.
Take a look at any thread you want in this board and see if posers are aging as you claim.

>>798
Calm down, I'm just saying s/he's right about this thread, but you can do it here too.

whatever

>>799
What can you do?

>>799
Is there some local rule about sage/age in this thread? I've never heard of that.

>>801
To sage the thread you you want to. It doesn't really matter in here.

Here isn't a place where you guys get rid of your stress accumulated in real life. Many posts of annos today include offence or ridicule, I think.

oops *if you want to

>>802
What rule? No rule exists here. You are the fucking rule now I decided.

>>802
No. The thing is, this is a chat thread, so technically, you can talk about anything you want.
Of course, some sort of common sense or consideration would be nice, but sometimes
a chaotic state caused by a nonsense post could lead to some entertainment to enjoy here.
So just take it easy.

>>804
There are so many fuckers just like you.
You are right. This place is a cesspool, so do whatever you want.

>>798
>Same person.

Nope.

>Take a look at any thread you want in this board and see if posers are aging as you claim.

Huh? That's not the case. Click any thread and you'll know "aged" posts are the majority.

>>808
As if you aren't one of the fuckers here.....

Why did >>761get butthurt? I don't see any comment offending him before his post.

I'm going to bed everyone. I don't have a fever anymore thanks to
ibuprofen. It is a magical medicine. Just so you all know. If you hurt
in any way just take some ibuprofen :P

おやすみ！

does 2ch have a function to return me to the thread page after I post, so I don't have to click back?

>>811
Don't think. Just feel.

>>812
Night.

>>813
I don't know about 2ch browser but as far as ordinary browsers are concerened
and as far as I know, there's nothing you can do about it.

>>815 I'm in Firefox.
Oh well, it's not as if it's a huge ordeal to go back.

>>812
Sweet dreams.

またねー。

>>813
You mean something like noko on 4chan? My browser takes care of it. It's available only for mac though.

>>817 yes, like noko.
Oh well. If there's nothing, it's not a bigdeal.

>>818
Seems I'm too tired. I misread "bigdeal" as "bipedal."

>>818 typos in a language other than your main one can be troublesome. Sorry. I'm tired.

>>820 In fact, now it's time for bed.
If you guys finish this thread tonight, don't forget the next one is suppose to be Chat in English part 121!

>>821
Sleep tight.

>>812
>>821
Good night. I'm looking forward to see you later!

Sunny has gone, on account of offencive comments toward her.
Finally, I couldn't get an ansewr to my question about Korean mobile phones, which enable
people type English sentense easily.

>>824
Don't worry. She is shameful enough to come back.

back
^^
im going to release
四葉双葉☆ちゃんねる scripts soon

after im done tweaking it!

>>826
Are you a descendant of an illegal immigrant?

>>827
いいえ！

>>828
Is that right. Saw you post in Japanese for the first time.lol

>>828
どこかへ海外旅行した事ある？

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm2917608
ミクトランス！
キタ！

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=t4Mm44gJzqw

This video shows presentations of students of 北京外国語大学.

Just amazing.

http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm5073842

robotinmaizuru

http://kei.iichan.net/b/res/149227.html

we have some rasist people here!

im going to release yonhafutaba script soon

We are now discussing at chu-ko-sei thread.
Do these setenses carry meanings to you native speakers?:

A third theory says
[ the colonists were killed by Spanish troops
[ who came up (on land) from ( the sea of) Florida ] ].

This time, they landed [ up (on) the coast from Roanoke Island ]
and founded a settlement [ called Jamestown ]
in [ what is now Virginia ].

I feel the soul of fierce tiger from Miura.
I feel the soul of fierce tiger from Kawakami.
I feel the soul of fierce tiger from Simizu.

How funny fans of Hansin are.

Saying yonha is incorrect. I told you. It's called yothuba.

anyone got english tutorial for setting up SHARE ?

just asking -

Hi there, please help me.
I was searching for some kind of blog written in Eng, but couldn't find so far.
In that blog, the blogger writes each action of a day precisely.
And his range of action is very wide.
Not to speak of eating, shopping, sleeping, but also cleaning his room, cooking his meals.
Seemingly, this kind of blog may be not interesting, but I think it will be a great example of
how to write one's behavior in English. So I'm looking for them.

I'd appriciate If any of you could suggest.

>>837
A third theory says
[ the colonists were killed by Spanish troops
[ who came up (on land) from ( the sea of) Florida ] ].

This time, they landed [ up (on) the coast from Roanoke Island ]
and founded a settlement [ called Jamestown ]
in [ what is now Virginia ].

You want to know if the pieces in parenthesis are correct?
I would say:

A third theory says that
the colonists were killed by Spanish troops
who reached them by traveling on foot from the coast of Florida.

This time they landed on the coast a short way up from Roanoke Island
and founded a settlement called Jamestown
in what is now Virginia.

The only really notable error in the first version, was probably "( the sea of) Florida"
because we only use "the sea of XXX" when we are talking about a named sea. There is no sea
called Florida Sea. You are probably talking about the Gulf of Mexico... Unless you mean the
Atlantic ocean. Even if you named it correctly, I think the best way to convey your meaning
is to say "the Florida coast" You could even say eastern or western Florida coast.

Now I am a bit confused as to what you are trying to say happened here... Are these two pieces
in the order they are in in the larger document? If so, I believe there's something else wrong.

>>837 It's not bad. It does all make sense. Some of the extra bits are unnecessary though.
A third theory says

This part:
[ the colonists were killed by Spanish troops
[ who came up (on land) from ( the sea of) Florida ] ].
Without knowing the exact meaning you are trying for, I can't be sure whether the parts in () should be included or not.
However, there is no Sea of Florida. Florida is between the Atlantic Ocean and Gulf of Mexico.
The way the sentence is (if you include everything) says that the spanish literally came from the water - either form boats or they lived in the ocean - and came onto land, where they killed the colonists.
If you want to say that the Spanish were living in Florida, and they simply traveled north and killed the colonists, then skip the parts in ()


The second half:
This time, they landed [ up (on) the coast from Roanoke Island ]
and founded a settlement [ called Jamestown ]
in [ what is now Virginia ].

Is correct, except leave out (on).

>>841
I know what you mean. But nobody writes about their each and every
actions in a blog in my opinion. All you can do is to find a phrase
book or something.
http://books.google.co.jp/books?id=RDxt4VDtGGIC&pg=PA4&lpg=PA4&dq=%E5%8B%95%E4%BD%9C%E8%A1%A8%E7%8F%BE%E3%80%80%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E&source=web&ots=XKunZX4Cta&sig=1yCtlshQzrYsLl4aXc0-JGwSLXc&hl=ja&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA9,M1

I find a seemingly interesting blog so I'll put its URL.
http://neilduckett.com/

Where do you live? There's a good way to find a blog written by
native English speakers living in your city.
http://www.expat-blog.com/
You see a map there. Click on "Asia." Then on the next page, choose
"Japan." Then choose your city you live in. (Only major cities)
Then you'll find some blogs by clicking on any city you like.
Just try.

4 exams next week.

I don't want to study :(

Did any Japanese post on 4chan's /trv/ board recently in a thread about Kansai? I saw a post apologizing for their English
but it was actually very good. I figured it wouldn't be a leap of faith to conclude that it could be one of the English learners from this thread.

Oh and I have a book recommendation which I think jook and Crystal would like: http://www.amazon.com/Speed-Tribes-Nights-Japans-Generation/dp/0060926651/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228514474&sr=8-1
Really entertaining read, although it may be a tad dated now.

http://compy4.b33r.net/sparky4/+4/script/yonhafutaba.0001.zip

ffffffffffffffffffffff YEAh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
UNOFFICIAL 1st release!

>>846 Looks interesting. I read this recently. It was very good.
http://www.amazon.com/Yakuza-Moon-Memoirs-Gangsters-Daughter/dp/4770030428/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1228518342&sr=1-1

>>847
Is it compressed script?
What's script. Tell me with raymonds term.

>>849

why it is the scripts of my image board

and
what is 4 leaf sprout in Japanese? (ASKING ALL NATIVE SPEAKERS)

>>850 Dude, they told you last night. It's Yotsuba. The first half of what I initially gave you.

>>849
I don't understand "scripts." Are they sort of programs?

> what is 4 leaf sprout in Japanese? (ASKING ALL NATIVE SPEAKERS)

I think we talked about it yseterday. But anyway, someone else might help you.

四葉

>>852

php scripts

四葉

how do you pronounce this exactly?

>>855 see >>851

scripts are programs that work on a webserver that make sooo many things possible, like 2ch, uploader...

： north korea is country of evil !!
火花(4 ^ヮ^)ミ田◆AZWpeumso. ： hi!
火花(4 ^ヮ^)ミ田◆AZWpeumso. ： North Korea is COMMUNISTIC!
： yes !!!
： communist is evil !!

Im only quoting what happened in Gikopoi

火花(4 ^ヮ^)ミ田◆AZWpeumso. ： DO YOU LIKE AMERICA?
火花(4 ^ヮ^)ミ田◆AZWpeumso. ： DO YOU LOVE AMERICA?
： yeah yeah
： china is evil too !

Im only quoting what Just happened in Gikopoi

： and putin is demon !!
Im only quoting what Just happened in Gikopoi

http://l4cs.jpn.org/gikopoi/flash/gikopoi116_gen/flash_gikopoi.html

i am in Karinrin street

>>854 >>857
Thanks.

I posted a question there a few huors ago.
Hope you'll check the thread once in a while.

http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1218442480/l50

Please disregard anything sparky says, Japanese English learners. You will just
get the wrong ideas from him.

>>633
>>634
筆者は場所の位置関係を念頭において
文章を作成しているはず。

1607年の植民団の上陸地点が
（島から見て）北方のCape Henryでなく、
南方の例えばWilmingtonあたりだったら、
up the coastではなく、down the coastになっているだろう。

upのpolysemyをどの程度まで弁別するかは個人の判断次第だが、
少なくともこの文脈でのupには（文脈の影響から）『北』が含意されている。

すいません。
誤爆しました。

すいません。
誤爆しました。

http://4chan.b33r.net/sparky4/+4/script/yotsuba.0001.zip

here

the 1st official release

>>844
Very great help!
The url you offered is very helpful!

>>867
A mimicking parrot.
What are you doing here?

>>870 I think parrot is a pretty cool guy, eh eats crackers and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>871
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>>842
>>843
The original source of the sentences Mr. Kataoka posted here
is the March 2nd, 2004 article on www.nationalgeographic.com
titled "America's Lost Colony: Can New Dig Solve Mystery?".

Mr. Kataoka imbecilely insists that "landed up the coast from Roanoke Island"
means "landed on the north part of Roanoke Island".

According to wikipedia, however, the expedition headed by Captain Christopher Newport
landed on the shores of the mouth of the Chesapeake Bay, not on the north part
of Roanoke Island, in 1607, after a devastatingly long voyage of 144 days
―an event dabbed "First Landing" which is quite different from the expeditions
of 1585 and 1587 to Roanoke Island.

I'm not an expert nor a pandit of American History, but it is implausible that wikipedia lies.
"Landed up the coast from Roanoke Island", therefore, probably means "landed on the part
of the east coast of North America which lies to the north of Roanoke Island"(, the adverb
"probably" being the operative word, because I'm not a native speaker of English and also
would like to know the precise meaning represented by "landed up the coast from Roanoke Island").

>>873
"landed up the coast" means landed (on the coast) north of the location mentioned. in this case, "up
means "north"

Hi, jook.
I want to ask you a question about mobile phone.
I asked this question to `Sunny` before, but she has gone because of negative comments toward her.
So I want you to answer this instead of her.
What I want to know is as follows;
How do English speakers write e-mail with a moobile phone?
For me, it's even harder to type long English sentenses than Japanese ones and takes a lot of time.
To write English sentense requires me a hard effort and I don't think the origin of this lies in native or non-native of English.

If you have time, give me an answer.

>>875
Basically US cellphones have a built in dictionary that tries to predict words you start typing.
This feature is known as T9. It's actually pretty easy. Although, many people who text message often now get phones with a QWERTY keypad.

“Remember, remember the fifth of November,
The gunpowder, treason and plot,
I know of no reason
Why the gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot.”

>>875 There are different methods, depends on the type of phone and your personal preferences.
There are different sorts of phone keypads. First, we have the basic numerical keypad, like this:
http://www.fllibertarian.org/Clipart%20images%20&%20Photos/PHOTO%20images%20Clipart/cell_phone_with_pic.jpg
Here's a keypad for this sort of phone:
http://images.wirelessinfo.com/images/upload/Image/reviews/images/sanyo/katana_dlx/katana_dlx_keypad.jpg
Phone with these can be one-pice "candy bar" or "brick" phone, clamshells (that fold in half) or sliders.
Either way, with this sort of keypad, you type one of two ways:

1: Press the key containing the letter you want until it appears.
That is, press 2 once for A, twice for B, three times for C. Press 5 once for J, twice for K, etc. This is slow and difficult, but for some reason some people prefer it. Probably they got used to it before method 2 was invented.
With this method, to type "Potato" I would press 7666828666.

2: The other way you can type on this sort of keypad is with software on the phone called T9,
which is a predictive text system. You simply press the key with the letter you want, then the next key for the next letter.
The software looks at the possible letter combinations of each key and guesses the word you want.
With this method, to type "potato" I would press 768286. Simpler.

Then, there are phones with full keyboards on them. Personally, I have this one:
http://cache.gizmodo.com/assets/images/gizmodo/2008/09/g1officialnewnew.jpg
My girlfriend has this one:
http://images.wirelessinfo.com/images/upload/Image/news/2007%20Oct/lg-rumor-sprint-open.jpg
Both slide open to reveal a keyboard inside.
Obviously, with one of these, if I wanted to write "potato" I would type POTATO.