[英語でディスカッション]一番むかつく人は誰？

みなさ〜ん。自分の日々考えていることを英語で短く書いたり、また日々チャット状態で
ランダムな人とこういう場で意見を交わすのは、本当に勉強になります。
英語力がぐ〜んとアップします。この板にもChat in English
はありますが、なんだか。。。かなり低俗なので、ここに新しい
真面目なスレを実験的に作りました。テーマは一番むかつく人です。
好きなように自分の意見を書いてください。反論などもできれば
英語で、でも、ま、日本語でもＯＫということにしておきましょう。しかし、
日本語に流れると面白くないので、できるだけ英語でね♪

>>1
It's YOU.

OK I go first.
Who do you think is the most hateful person?
I would say, Judo's Inoue Kousei.
He is the most miserable guy of the year.
How could he retire from his life time profession
that he had been dedicated all his life until today? The reason is
clear, because of that stupid face Higashihara woman. He got
married to that porn woman and she ruined him. or should I say
he ruined himself. What a shame.
He ruined my aesthetic feeling "Biishiki". He will soon or later
get tired of her and after that, he will regret of what he has done.
coz "judo" is only one greatest remaining of his. Without "judo" he has
no self-identity.

Noone my English level believe. I think my English level more high than
usually peaple.

Because I can write more long English sentence than other peaple.

I very hate peaple my English say "Wake-Wakaran" and so on.

You think my English very good, right?

>>3
お前の価値観おしつけんな。そういうお前が一番むかつくんだよ。

Well, you are challenging. That's great. But without looking up a dictionary and write
is too early to have such a self-confidence.
Go ahead and write something about "the most hateful person" for you.

>>5
ここは好きなことを書いていい場所。一番むかつくのは誰？
というテーマで自分が何に対してむかつくかを書くだけのこと。
おしつけているわけではない。そのあたりから、メンタリティを変えないと
英語は永遠にしゃべれない。ディスカッションというのは、あくまでも自分の
意見を言うことなり。日本社会のように中庸で進んではいけない。

>>4
Yeah your English very great is unbelievable.
I never thought such a person well English is in Japan other than me.
You think my English very good too right?

>>6
Most helpful person is me. Becaue I love me.

>>8
I at last have peaple about me understand.
Yeah, I think your English is understand too.
Your say is very right.

なんぢゃここはぁ！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！！

>>10
Oh thank you very much.
Between you and me, I'm american peeple.
So if you have any question, pleese help yourself.

1000 名前：名無しさん＠英語勉強中[sage] 投稿日：2008/06/16(月) 13:35:40

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>>12
Oh, you are american? I it hear to very happy.
Peaple understand I comunikeit american with english this is prove.

Many usually peaple say your english is no understand to me.

ok 反論というのは、こんな具合にしてください。

＞I don't think he's necessarily a hateful person because most of his attention
and energy is being spent on his girlfriend. We probably have different opinions
on this one, but I think that it's his life to live and no one else's. In the end,
what he spends his time and energy on is his choice. If his girlfriend makes him happy
and if he chooses to put her in a higher place than he does judo, then so be it.
Ultimately, it's his decision.

If I remember correctly, something similar happened to Tiger Woods. I don't
remember the details thought. I'm not sure if it was because he got married
or because he was having marital problems. Whatever it was, he was having a
hard time focusing on golf, and his performance on the green showed it.

>>14
Oh no! Japanese peeple is crazy.
They understans are no English.
I suupoze they envy your English skill is in the world.

>>15
I'm 14.　　Your English is very much breaked. My adobais is your need is simple write is the best write.

>>don't ruin my thread. This is supposed to be a serious discussion
place. If there is no big reason to tease, don't ruin things over and over.

>>18
Who is teaseing I don't know.

ummm....I said "most hateful person" but that was not good way to put.

"the person you liked the least." was the right way to say.

過疎スレ決定

>>3

Why are you sure he'll regret? Maybe he just likes pussy more than he likes judo.

>>22
if she was a smart pussy -> she knows who he is --> leads him better in Judo,
his rank wouldn't drop and he wouldn't retire.
His rank dropped after meeting her --> he retired = the pussy is not smart

No one would like to indulge in the same sexy woman for 10 years, except
she was smart. The pussy = not smart

A sexy pussy plus inner attractiveness + intelligence ---> respect each other
-->relationship continues

His wife=no intelligence and no respect-->Inoue gets tired of her within 4 yrs
-->divorce or only ordinary life is waiting for him-->he will know Judo was
his only one life time profession-->he will regret.

23=1

>>23
Learn how to spell while you're over there, fuktard!

Ok faggot boy!
A tip for you: if you stop taking it up the ass for a couple days you might be able to sit properly!
Have a nice day, dipshit!

You are imitator, I am the originator, shithead!

>>25
This is a discussion thread. Use your logic, not get too emotional.
Don't use curse words. It only reveals your immaturity and foolishness.

Do you know what's behind the Akiba rampage spree?
I know "interesting" is not an appropriate word, however,
this news really makes me think so deep.

I feel sorry for him because he has a miserable background.
He had no job, no friend or girlfriend, no love from family.
He should not be reckoned as just another insane guy,
What do you think?

>>27
Generally speaking 70% of us are like him. We don't have friends, we don't have money.
Some people don't have parents. IMO, he has both
mother and father (he thinks there is not enough affection...well but
probably from his parents side, they gave enough affection), he has somebody
whom he can talk to (he doesn't recognize them as friends though), his job
was not an official staff of Toyota, but his salary was good enough.
He claimed that his face is ugly but I don't think so. He is cute.
If he would have changed the view of the world, he would have enjoyed much better
life. He was too selfish and he thought he should have been treated much better
than he is actually treated. I wish he had only one
person who could understand him well, then the life had changed. but remember
that nobody wants to be friends with that kind of selfish guy. You have to change
your selfishness if you want to have a better treats. That doesn't mean you should
kiss somebody's ass.

>>28
I don't say he must be justified, but we must consider the circumstances.
He had been outcast wherever he goes, and everyone thinks it's all your fault
if you cannot find a proper job, but it reminds me of Marie Antoinette's saying,
"if you don't have bread to eat, then eat candy".

In reality, hard-working does not always guarantee money,
and yet there is not sufficient safety net for the poor but prejudice,
so it seems natural to me that he held grudge against the society.

It's us who created this fucking wretched society.
Akiba will now be going to close its vehicle-free promenade,
and dagger blade makers stop manufacturing the knives,
but it's not a critical remedy for the problem.
It's about our system.

>>29
Yeah, The social system foment his grudge.
And I think, when we happened to see somebody who seems like holding unsatisfactory feelings,
it's not always bad to poke our nose into his private matters.
I mean to talk to him and say "something wrong?" and have a talk
at a coffee shop or somewhere. It is a first step to be friends.
We can always save somebody who stays in the absolute edge(?)
人生のぎりぎりのところにいる人＜---how do you say it in English?

>>30
You can say " someone ｓtanding at the end of the cliff"

Indeed, it's natural for him to hold grudge against the society, and
I can feel sorry about it to some extent.
But the crime he committed was extremely huge and unforgivable. And there
are many people who work under poor circumstances like his.

On top of that, he had graduated the highest school in his district.
His ability for work seem enough. In the long run, this fatal incident
was brought by his own evil character, and not us who created this society,
I assume.

>>32
Yeah. He had accumlated grudges for a long time.
If he had visited 2channel, more people would have said
"stop it" when he wrote the intention of mass killing but unfortunately
where he wrote his emotions everyday
was so unpopular site on Keitai and naturally nobody visited.
or he intentionally chose that kind of place. I've heard one
girl talked to him friendly on that keitai site but then she started to talk about her
boyfriend who has a higher educational background. That was a bad
luck too, maybe.

>>33
There are many people who work under poor circumstances like his.
I know that life in Japan 50 years ago was even poorer than them,
but one does not feel alone when everyone is poor.
Temp workers are not only exploited but despised, isolated.
There're latent candidates lining up after him, like he said.

I feel it's too cruel to attribute this incident to him alone.
The number of victim is eight.
It's his family that loaded a bullet, society that pulled the trigger.

umm....but he earned 200,000Yen/month. was it that bad?
I don't think his circumstances were that bad...plus as I said above,
life is always up to you. So he could have a girlfirnd if he
changed his dark personality.

>>35
I don't think I can say 200,000 a month is good enough.

Anyway, in the criminal law, the basic concept of the responsibility lies in one's
free intention.　The criminals are accused because they have evil intention that make
them select the illegal conducts.

The Akiba murderer seems to have normal consciousness, and so, he must have full-fledgd free
intention. In a nutshell, it's he himself that loaded a bullet, and pulled the trigger.

We shouldn't pass on the responsibility to our society. The main cause
of the Akiba rampage spree is his irrational belief and distorted recognition
around his situation,

Every time the society went wrong, people knocked evil dictator or ruler down.
French Revolution, War of Independence, Cultural Revolution, etc.

This time, Kato might have attacked wrong persons, but his power must be appreciated.

History will judge whether Kato was right or not.
May God bless him!

>>36

I didn't like the chaos in Akihabara,
so I am glad that it backed to the normal old time Akihabara again.

>This time, Kato might have attacked wrong persons,

I agree with this point. He should have attacked many dumb lawmakers
in Nagata-cho instead.

>>37
Yeah, Nagata-cho old men shoud be killed. Not some innocent students and
adults who happened to passed by Akiba.

Spectators at the site of Akiba kill were taking photos without helping victims, the scene was scary,
but I guess those who killed would have done the same thing if they were alive.

It is as if an ugly-minded person killed ugly-minded people.
Tomohiro Kato, the killer, was right about the target, I think.

I don't deny there are ugly-minded people esp in a big city like Tokyo,
but not all of them. They just forgot what was the most precious thing and
what should be done when somebody injured...
And if you look at each of the victim's profile carefully,
you would know how nice person he/she was. If you were one of the victim's family members,
you would be so indignant over the criminal.

Indeed, there are some people taking pictures around the victims at the site, but, so many people were
helping the victims conscientiously.They should be admired.

You may be right in that you guess the victims might have done the same thing as the witnesses did,
but the difference between you and me is that I mourn the losses and don't defend the criminal. I don't
think there's any reason for the criminal to be defended, at least outside the court.

most people in Japan are kind at first sight, but, in fact, what they think of is only the way they prevent
themselves from others whenever they are asked something, for example a crime, they only make
commoplace remarks this fact suggest that the common people don't have own opinion, in other words,
they don't reflect anything at all

so, judges should not take a national sentiment into consideration
judges should bear in mind that the common people are too ignorant to say anything

>>41
I think you are only seeing people as a mass.
If you talk to each person one by one, each of us
have a lot of things to say. Only education made us
as an igonrant individual. Each of Japanese is much more out spoken
when the situation allow us to speak out. Our intelligence is
higher than average in worldwide. Only the culture made us to shut
our mouthes.

>>3

Right. As we all know women are the cause of,
and solution to, all of men's problems. Hateful? Hardly.
He's 30 years old and wanted to retire. Nice work if you can get it.
If you want someone to hate, choose Kim Jong-Il.

>>43
Yep, lol
If we are to choose one,
definitely the person we hate is Kim Jong Il.

>>43
この人は大人だな〜

このスレは終了だな〜

>>3
This post is deliciously Japanese. Apparently y'all haven't gotten
accustomed to the reality that sports stars are often idiots.
Should I start talking about the antics of NFL players?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=S3Ned5TQoW4&eurl=http://community.livejournal.com/_discussion/780584.html

The person I am currently most angry at is Barack Obama for generally being a lying, deceitful bastard.

It's not somebody but bug.
I hate the most is cockroach.
Few days ago, I screamed when I saw a big one in a kitchen.
so I set the gokiburihoihoi,
next morning. when I saw it inside the drawer, 3 big cockroaches
were trapped. How nice! but I assume there are at least 30 of them
still crawling somewhere....

I hate the most is cockroach.
が文法崩壊

いいたいんなら
What I hate the most is cookroaches.
かな。

ryakushitandayo..go ahead and write something
and don't worry about the grammatical mistakes.

Good night!! I come here now. My English is american as same.

Everyone know my english is american say great and unbelibable.
if you don't something not know, I can help certainly.

Can I help you?

>>42
They say the murderer Kato was totally isolated, and the situation made
him go mad. But it's nothing more than a self-centered excuse.
Everybody is inevitably alone. We must stand the fate.

>>54
He was always trying not to be too friendly with others to avoid exposing his
true nature, which I think made him feel even more that he was isolated.
He has no one but himself to blame.

the crime kato ccommitted in Akiba is very evil and could not allowed
however we have no right to give death penalty to him
if you hope for death penalty, you are not different from murder, no matter how many grude you have
retaliation could not be admitted, regardless of any reason

>>53
even if I said do not worry about the grammatical mistakes,
yours is terrible, or your writing was intentional.

52
I am with you .
Not being afraid of gramatical mistakes will lead to improve our English's abilities.

>>56
your post doesn't have any reasons to explain why we have no
right to give death penalty to him.

>>58
I know, but I meant subtle mistales are ok.

>>57
I intentional mistake no made.

I am >>10, and >>12 american person me said
good einglish. I am certain true thing he said.

Why you talk like things of that to me. I dont know.

>>56
you say we should "abolish capital punishment"?
but how does he compensate for the bereft families?
their grudge towards Kato is infinite. maybe we should think
about the most cruel penalty, the ultimate suffering which is
much more than death to that kind of crminal.

suck my dick

>>63
lick my cunt

I'm discussing.

sex

okay dookie.let me talk about my menter.he is reallyskeptic man.

anyone？

Nova吉祥寺からの個人ブログ　Voice Francais　をベースにフランス語をやっていた
NOVA池袋西口校　の　勝(まさる)です。苦情は直接池袋西口校に言って、スタッフは黙認しているだけ、私はスタッフに好かれているけど、一営利目的生徒です。
写真隠し撮りのブロガーです。当然写真や個人情報を金もうけに利用しています。　
ボランティアでブログしているのではない。通帳で確認してもいいですよ、フランス語レベル5の勝です。
レベルが拡散 投稿者：池袋西口フランス語レベル5　勝　まさる 投稿日：2008年10月 1日(水)19時07分37秒 　 返信・引用
生徒の会HPの投稿に、「Zone G：レベルが拡散し過ぎる」というものがありました。
http://www.nova-students.com/modules/d3forum/index.php?post_id=500
前にVoiceFrancaisに書いた「幻のニーボアッシュ」と同じ問題です。
でも、最近自分のレッスンでもレベルが拡散してきていると感じることがあります。もともとゾーン制によるチャレンジレッスンにより、その傾向が見受けられたのですが、最近レベルアップが多く行われるようになってきた事も１つの原因かと思います。
本来はレベルアップ（レベル調整）によって、レベル内分散が小さくなるはずですが。。。まあ、一通りの課程を終了したら次の課程に進むということも、学習に意欲を与える１つの方策ではあると思いますが。。。
レベル分散が大きいレッスンにおいて、いかに受講生に不満を与えずレッスンを進めるか？
レベルの違いが顕著にでるのは、ロールプレイングのときですね。今のレッスンでは、たまたま座った席の順で、ロールプレイングのグループが決まります。ここを、 講師がうまく調整して、
比較的ハイレベルな人はハイレベル同士で、チャレンジに近い人はその人同士でペアーを組めば、フラストレーションも多少は抑制されるのではないでしょうか。
また、いつも同じ人とロールプレイングをするのも飽きるので、その辺は臨機応変に、たまにはチャレンジの人とハイレベルの人がペアーを組み、チャレンジの人はハイレベルの人の会話を習得し、
ハイレベルの人はチャレンジの人に説明する練習スキルを習得する。
といった改善はいかがでしょうか。