Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 109

I have a few questions to the native who was a prom queeen at Biverlly Hill's high.

How did you study Japanese after you quit the personal Japanese lessons?
You read a lot of Japanese literature or newspaper?
Don't tell me you just read manga, watched anime and Japanese dramas.
I don't think that's enough to reach your level of Japanese fluency.

You need a huge amount of Japanese input to reach your Japanese proficency
in general and I don't think vocabulary used in anime, drama and manga
is enough to reach your level.

Tell me how you improved your Japanese.

>>249
They call it a personal question.

Some of the women from overseas in this thread want to go out with a Japanese man
if they have a chance, I assume.

What do you think about him?
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=BXB8to2gEZ4&feature=related
He sings the same song with >>247. He is a single and so open minded that
he does stickam and youtube.

You can comment to his videos or send a personal message to him.
You can practice your Japanese and he can be happy receiving messages from
women from overseas. It's win-win.
Remember. Don't tease him. He is serious about making his videos, not trying
to look funny.

Who is the prom queen?

>>249
prom queenっておいおいwwww
Well, I've read a shit-ton of Japanese novels. They were far from "fine literature", but novels nonetheless.
Most of them were written fairly simply, with average vocabulary I'd say. But it still helps you get a feel for the written language,
and you learn a lot of expressions/grammatical intricacies, things like that.
I don't read the Japanese newspaper or anything heavy-duty like that, although honestly I should. I'm at the point where I could learn a lot from doing that.
To tell you the truth, I've just been lazy...
I haven't done anything special, I just use Japanese a lot, every day. Music, books, sites like 2ch, all these little ways will add up.
This means that my actual speaking is complete shit, though, because I have no one to talk to.
When I can sit down and think about it, I can write decent Japanese. But if I'm sitting in front of someone and talking to them, it's very different. (;_;)

>>253 (continued)

I've done a lot of translating. I worked as a translator for fansubbing groups
(groups that put subtitles on anime and distribute them on the internet) for several years,
translated manga for a while, and now I'm working on translating a novel. Translating is a great way to improve your skill with a language, too.
Really forces you to focus on the details of each line (especially with something like a novel). It's not enough to have a general idea of what's going on,
you have to know what every word means and what its function is in the sentence. I'd say that's probably helped me quite a bit.

I should mention I write (or wrote, I guess XD) a lot in Japanese, too. While I went to my tutor's house,
I kept a Japanese diary which she corrected, and until about last year I regularly wrote in a Japanese blog.
Now I have a couple of penpals that I'm emailing. Unfortunately most of them want to practice their English so we talk in English most of the time T_T
but with some of them I talk in Japanese. Regularly formulating your ideas in another language is very good practice, too,
even if no one else is going to be reading it. On the way you have to look up words or expressions to figure out how to phrase what you want to say,
and you end up learning a lot.

I am who I am

if you make some expressions in english, you shouldn't just place each words in order
you also have to think how those expression is supposed to be in english way.

Please don't kill me

>>254
You are too good!

>>257
Shut up, bitch!

God, please don't kill Jeff.

have oyu ever had blueberry pie with some vanilla ice cream on it?
that's terrific!

blueberry pie reminds me of that movie. ew

twin peaks?

no no, stand by me.

It sounds delicious.

>>265
yeah, you should try some.
i recommend that blue berry pie has to be hot so as to taste perfect combination with ice cream.

>>266
what are you talking about?
I don't understand what you are saying.

>>253
shit-ton? You mean tos of? Give me a ball park figure. When you say
"fine literature," what does it mean? Is it students majoring in
Japanese literature read, like Natsume Soseki, Dazai Osamu, Mishima Yukio?
Who are the authors of books you read, allow my curiusity? Haruki Murakami?

What do you do when you see unfamiliar words or expressions, reading a novel
for pleasure? Do you look them up in your dictionary everytime? In my case when I read
English book, sometimes I do, sometimes don't. Do you make a list of words
you looked in dictionary for referance later? In my case, since I use an
electronic dictionay and it stores words I check, I sometimes look at the list
and try to remember them. You can use skype to improve speaking. There's a
thread in this board about skype.http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1202030721/l50
They are talking about weird foreigners they met on Skype in the thread most
of the time.

>fansubbing groups
I've heard of it. So you are working on translating a Japanese novel.
Did anyone request that you translate it? Isn't there possibility that
major publisher in USA publish English version? If I may ask, who wrote
the novel and what's the title?

What made you delete all blog entries in the past? Did you become
ashamed of them? All in all it seems like you have made your share of
efforts to reach your Japanese level. Amazing!

fujoshi novels for pleasure?

>>268 is in love, I guess.

You are studying for upcoming exams, right?
You don't have to reply if you are busy. It can wait.

More to be pricise, >>268=>>271 is in heat.

In love with the prom queen? Haha! It's just that I'm curious about
how she has reached her current Japanese proficiency. Not many foreigners
don't reach that level and I thought just being crazy about anime, manga, J-pop,
J-drama isn't enough to be fluent in Japanese.

love is beautiful.

lol. I need to look up "In heat" in an online dictionary.
As if I were a cat or a dog. Yep. On the Internet, you can't tell if
he is a dog, cat or a human being that you are chatting with.

>>268
Shit. I really have no idea how many I've read. Between fifty and a hundred?
And I said >They were far from "fine literature", but novels nonetheless.
This means they WEREN'T "fine literature" at all^^
I've read some Mishima Yukio and Kobo Abe (砂の女), but those were English translations so they don't count.
You haven't heard of any of the novels I've read... They were BL. えへへ

つーか、>>269なんで分かんだよ、ﾏｼﾞびびったww

Yeah, I always have the goo dictionary open while I read. I look up everything I don't know.
I've told myself over and over to start a list of words/expressions I encounter that I didn't know before,
but again... I'm just too lazy and never get around to it. I really should though^^
I thought about doing Skype, but it's too much hassle. I don't have the time to sit in front of my computer and talk to someone, anyway.
Even when I'm on my computer, I'm busy doing other things that need my attention.

I'll continue this in another reply, because it's kind of long.

Personally, http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=jMBRRtZGURM
He looks Uho. Not sure if he really is.

>>276
Nobody requested the novel translation, I decided to do it myself.
There are publishers now that are publishing those kinds of books in English,
so I'm going to ask if they're interested in it when I finish. It would be really awesome to see it in physical print. XD
I've flipped through some of the novels that are on the market right now, and the writing SUCKS. Everyone I've talked to about it agrees with me.
I write 48098509348 times better than they do. >_>

Uh... if you really want to know, the novel I'm translating is called ANSWER by 崎谷　はるひ.
You can read my translation if you want, but I bet you don't. XDDD

About my blog, I wasn't ashamed of them, really. I just didn't see a reason to keep them around.
For a while I was going to start writing my blog in English, so I also wanted to clear out the old stuff for a "fresh start".
But I ended up never writing any more...

>>277
I love cute uho boys.

>>271
Ah, finals are over. So it's all good^^

>>275,
Yeah, you've got a point. How enchanting is the wonder of evolution.
Looks like dogs chat with a human being over the internet in these days.
They just bark at people, right?

beauty and the beast. which is more like you?

this is the cutest footage I've ever seen.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk-1mla0LeU
i love this kid.

let's talk about world war 3

ww3 ended last week. 5 is coming out soon.

He has become more muscular than 277.
He must have worked out hard to look more uho.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=QLcoVEupPRU&feature=related

let's talk about something

I don't like masculine uho.

>>276
Since I came to 2channel, I gop to know about Fujoshi, female otaku and
things like that. I know Fujoshi like "boys love" comics but I don't
understand what aspects of BL appeals to them. The boys or men in the novels
or comics have to be beautiful, right? Like, the boys or men who
can be described as metrosexual If I understand the word metrosexual right.
Characters in these novels never be middle-aged men with beer belly and
bad breath.

I understand a part of reason why BL appeals to fujoshi is taboo relationship
between boys. But there are other taboo relationship such as
loves between a teacher and student, mother and son, you name it.
Why relationship between boys or men grab fujoshis' attention, I wonder.

I searched and it seems like 崎谷　はるひ writes lots of novels or mangas
about BL. It might be funny to dip my toe in reading such a novel.
How can I read it? I'm not sure I can read it through to the end, though.

>I've flipped through some of the novels that are on the market right now, and the writing SUCKS.

Why do you think is that? Is that because of translators' bad command of English or is that
because they lacks in knowledge about BL itself?

As for your Japanese blog, you can see how far you've come comparing
your earlier entries and those of recently. Can't be helped if you
deleted them though.

mad in love

I read a funny joke in a book several years ago and I made it into a riddle.
Try it if you are interested.

"A man was drinking in a bar comfortably, when a panda suddenly entered
the bar and ordered some foods. After eating them up, it held a gun and
shot around and went out of the bar. Astonished by the abrupt acts of the panda,
he looked up 'panda' in the encyclopedia and was convinced it had been no strange event."

Here is a question.
What the encyclopedia said in it? Notice, the encyclopedia itself was quite normal.

>>289
Well, I could talk to you all about BL but I don't think other people in this thread would appreciate it...^^
But they don't always have to young or beautiful, although the majority of BL novels/manga are probably focused on young, beautiful men. There's lots of オヤジBL^^
By the way, if a guy is metro, it means he spends a lot of time/money on his appearance and goes to great lengths to look "good." So not quite the same.
Maybe a lot of the appeal in BL for Japanese women is the taboo aspect. But in America, it's not very taboo at all, so that has nothing to do with it for me.
I think many American fans probably feel the same, but I can't speak for anyone else of course.

I have scans of the original Japanese novel, which I'm using to translate it. I can give them to you, if you really want...

About the shitty writing quality, I don't know why, honestly.
I think it's because they're assuming their audience is mostly young women who don't read books very often.
So they dumb down the writing style. It was honestly like reading a book for twelve-year-olds.

>>291
Haha, I've already heard this one from my friend. I won't spoil it though.

>>291
I feel that the answer has something to do with bamboo.

Answer: Panda loves bamboo.
Bang! (sound of shooting? ) Boo!(the sound when you surprise someone.)

>>291
I googled! lol

>>291
Or is it an ethnic joke, teasing Chinese?

Answer: They(pandas) are inhabitants in China.
Chinese people are inahbitants in China, too so what the joke meant
was that whoever (even animals like panda) lives in China ara
barbarous enough to enjoy shooting spree..... I have no idea.

>>294
No. Nothing to do with bamboo.
>>295
felt it funny?

>>296
nah...it's not an ethnic nor discriminationg joke.

But one thing. The book menioned its feeding habit.

>>298
I have no clues.

All right,
this is the answer.

The encyclopedia said:
"A panda is a bear-like animal with white and black fur. It eats shoots and leaves."

>>292
>But in America, it's not very taboo at all,

Then that makes me even more curious why BL novels/mangas are popular
among foreign fujoshis. Anythings goes in 2channels so you are free to
explain what is behind BL's popularity, although if you feel shy about
explaining it, then I can't force you to do that.

>I have scans of the original Japanese novel, which I'm using to translate it. I can give them to you, if you really want...

I want to read a few pages of both translated and original if possible
to compare with them. If it doesn't bother you, I'm glad if a page or
two of sensual scenes are included. Do you mean you send me via e-mail? If so, I don't have any throw-away
e-mail addresses so I'm glad if you show your free mail address here again
like you did in the previous? thread.

I'll come back here tomorrow. I have to go to bed now.

>>300
LOL. I see.

It eats, shoots, and then leaves.

Is there any subcategory for those who go after fujoshi?
I might be one of them.

>>301
>Then that makes me even more curious why BL novels/mangas are popular among foreign fujoshis.
Na, I don't mind talking about it at all. Ask me the next time we're both around then, and I'll tell you what I think.

Sure, I can email it to you. Drop me a line at [email protected].

fujoshi only refers to ugly ones i tink

you tinko

ここでKYが登場

>>307
you are hot as fuck

There were two girls at the next seat in Mcdonaldo.
Both of them are pretty pretentious cuties(exactly not cute in
real life. One of the two was pretty not cute)
She used the words like damon, tyo-, and another buzzwords.
She spoke high-pitched and rapidly.
So self-concisous and conversetion was set in a certain form.
I can tolerate anything she does if she is really cute.
But she is ugly. She is not what she think herself to be.
Face the truth. Watch yourself in the mirror.
Is it privillage of youth to be super-self-conscious and self-centered
and attention-getting?
But pretty annoying and obnoxious cos You were not cute at all!!!

As an aside, a counter girl was megane musume(girl with glasses). LOL
vivid and brisk in the service.

They seemed to be good at studying cos they said words like
keio and waseda?
But They looked pretty dumb. The conversations were prettty
mannerism. After all private university of arts department are fool.
Just competeing memorizing as much as possible.
I didn't wanna hear. I wanted to study. But words get in my ears
because so they were so loud.
And ugliness is a strong supporter when it comes to study. lol

That's why 4chan has moderators... and hopefully they
won't leak into this thread too

Can I ask the same question again. Why isn't the end of the sentence
"either" instead of "too".
I learned either follows "not".
In the first place, I don't know why we have to use either with
negative sentence. Too can be used for everysentece like I don't like her
too.

look yourself in the mirror

Huh? When did I say I am handsome and act overly to get
attentions.

Yes I am huansome but I am pretty humbel in the manner. lol

uho

I'm beautiful, goddamnit!

http://www.biography.com/biography/images/episode_images/dahmer_Jeffrey_320x240.jpg
Amn't I handsome? But I was so unconfident about anything myself..
You can see some pride in myself on my face but I couldn't express my pride
in realistic manner.
I tried to get attention imitating polio and sticking tree branch
with dog skelton on the top.

Pride and anger. Agony! Wrath!
I think mamoru takuma would understand Jeffrey. The only man
to understand Dahmer in japan.

宅間守資料
http://www004.upp.so-net.ne.jp/kuhiwo/takmar.html

宅間守獄中手記
http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~gr6m-kwnb/takuma.txt

oh em gee he was a real mother-fucker

身長 １８２センチ

体重 ７５キロ

Wow. Big guy. At least he had one merit. lol
He is almost as tall as イギリス人.
He was endowed with strong body by his father.
He had to thank him.

http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~gr6m-kwnb/takuma.txt
I can clearly see takuma's mental illness from his letter.
He is absolutely insane.
I don't know it goes as far as the lack of mental competency.
In my opinion he is the man to be confined in psychiatric hospital.

Disperse and inconsistent sentences....

dispersed.

Rather scattered.

プスプス and プツー scared me.

Are you a fan of 漫画太郎mangataro?
プスプス。。。
But manga taro's signature is はうっ！hau!

Scattered brain takuma! one and only.
miyazaki tsutomu is nothing compared to takuma!

>>325
No no no I'm not. ??
My comment is about Takuma's letter! He プスプス stabbed kids...

Mr. Smertemann, I require an update from you. I'm the Norwegian guy, haven't
been here in a long, long time.

sunday sunday sunday sunday

>>328
Very good timing. I was thinking about I would write something about me.
I don't know until when you had been updated, though.

Fot the past two weeks until yesterday, I went to hospital to get IV
drip treatment every other day. Yes, I didn't have to go there everyday
anymore. Yesterday(Friday), I went to see my doctor (after that I got
IV) and he told me that I don't have to take IV drip treatment anymore.

Weather is a very important factor for my foot. The warmer, the better.
It's getting warmer in Japan, so he decided my foot's condition would
improve without IV. My foot sure looks better outside than before but
this past week was tough because I felt a slight pain in my foot and
couldn't sleep well. I'm worried about quitting IV when I still feel
slight pain but my doctor says that's OK so I think I'll see how my foot
condition will be without IV.

I haven't been using any uho painkillers for a long time (for the past 20 days
or so? I'm not sure.) and I still have 8 or so very strong anal painkillers
and 20 or more less strong onoes. If you are interested in experiencing
the joy of putting it in your anus, I'll give them all to you. I don't mind
being an uho goodwill ambassador.

unchi KUSAI

Magibon's boobs are super sized!!

Peter griffin's boobs are super sized!

Lenora Claire's boobs are suuuper sized.

Smell like poo.
Dwell like pooh.
Farewell kiss
for the fool.

Pooh's poops are super sized.

Sweet crap, my stomach aches....

hanakuso KITANAI, demo KUSAKUNAI
kusakute kitanai no mo KIRAI JANAI

Snot is dirty and actually smells.(Sinus problem)

NAI NAI NAI,

It's not affection.

Generally speaking, we don't look on our own "hanakuso" as dirty.
But what do you think of others'?
If you don't feel dirty about others' "hanakuso, you may be a fetishist for smells.

Snot is a barometer of your health.

>>304
I sent you e-mail.

So why are BL mangas and novels so popular among fujoshi overseas.
What appeals to them? I thought taboo relationships among characters
attribute to BL's popularity but you don't agree with it.
Let me know your opinion.

This battle is all mine, whatever it takes, no matter what it costs, and
even if I die.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=VWxQ2zyY80Q
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=FhoM8I7vQQo

Shimizu Shota（清水翔太）made a TV appearance today in the morining.
He used to be a Hikikomori and Neet and heavy 2channel users.

So what?

>>345
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zluCpm93vfg

>>346
So what? DOn't reply with such a stupid comment.
All posts in 2chan is so what.

I just watched Grave of the Fireflies (火垂るの墓), and I cried a little during
the movie.

Can you guys recommend me other sad movies? It can be animated or it can be live action,
I don't care about that.

Did anybody else watch Grave of the Fireflies and cry?

setsuko--------
ni-chan I'm hungry


"remember the titans" is kind of sad story.
gary....damn, I love football so much

let's talk about world war 3

Again?

>>351
Family Portrait/P!nk

"Choose Chart Tools | Design Type Change Chart Type." Notice that the first part of this instruction includes the tab section title (Chart Tools) and the tab name (Design), separated by the | character

Columns are identified with letters (A, B, C…), while rows are identified with numbers (1, 2, 3…).

nowhere i can go
shoot

>>354
this thread is not your memo padddd! lol

what do you think about the person who appeared in the thread of pre 1 EIKEN??

>>353
Paris Hilton/P!nk

>>356
what do you mean?

let's talk about world war 3, world of warcraft, or new world order
pick one

>>361
Anything but the shitty second job that is WoW is go.

>>361
next >>1 should add you

>>1 will need to go on diet soon.

>>362
ohh, so you are one of them haters... did you actually play it?
I played it til lvl 57 and then got bored, but it's a very good game to play for a few months.
I'm a half assed soloer so it was never a second job.
PUG + fast paced instance = awesomely fun when the group actually knows what they are doing

>>365
Had to split my post up because it was too long. Oh well, here goes.

Yeah, I played it for a while.

I played in the Beta, then quit and tried again a long time after that, and
quit pretty soon again.

It was boring as fuck.

I can imagine that it has the potential of being enjoyable if you play with
a bunch of real-life friends while talking over Skype, but playing it alone was
just godawfully boring. I'd rather pay to watch grass grow than to play WoW again.

Also, before you bring the "the game doesn't start before level x (where x = the highest
level you can attain nowadays, I wouldn't know how high that is)/the game doesn't get fun
before level x", let me just go ahead and counter that before you even say it: Any game that
requires you to do tedious boring shit for hours without end before you can actually start
playing/enjoying the game, is shit. It doesn't matter how good it is when you reach the last
level if you have to endure mind-numbing torture to get there.

>>366
Continued.

Anyways, the new generation of gamers suck anyway. It seems that MMORPGs
and Halo 3 is just about where it's at. Almost any game that has the letters "MMO"
in its name is shit. I'm saying "almost" here because I haven't played them all.
Also, I see many people playing WoW to be competitive. Why is that? WoW takes
practically zero skill (I'm not saying this is bad, I'm saying that people that
are playing WoW to compete a.k.a. measure skill have shit for brains).

And then there's all these overrated FPS games. I can enjoy a good FPS. However,
I can't enjoy an FPS that's practically the same as all the other FPS games
ever released with the exception of 1 more pixel in the bottom left corner. Also,
I cannot for the life of me understand why people would actually play FPS games
on CONSOLES with AUTO-AIM. I thought having to aim was kind of the point of FPS games,
but apparently not. Quake 3 + aimbot + graphics update = Halo 3.

>>367
Last part.

Also, don't get me started on the people that are trying to go pro in SSBB; a children's
platform PARTY fighting game. In about a year, I bet the only think we're gonna see in
any finals is Fox vs Fox, Final Destination, no items. Why don't these people actually
play something that's meant to be competitive, like almost any other fighting game?

---

This has been an awful long rant. I hope you'll reply with your views, or this will
have been in vain.

Games that I'm looking forward to:
- MGS4
- SC2
- Spore
- FFXIII/FFvXIII (yeah, sue me)

I don't have the hardware to play any of them, unfortunately.

*sigh* ( @ )( @ ) may this big boobs suffocate you

>>369
×this
○these

oooops!!!! thank you, 370...

>>368
WHA? Calm down I'm not some freakin MMO enthusiast or anything....
You are right about the tedious grind, it's boring as fuck.
I played that game to meet and play with people from various countries (on euro servers)
and that's one reason why I liked going to an instance with a group of random people.
When you join a group of random brits, scandinavians, italians, hungarians romanians etc etc
with poor English skills and still manage to play like old friends with perfect teamwork, it's totally ecstatic.
I didn't play it to be competitive, but it does require some skill. (one mistake can easily fuck up the entire group)
Of course not as much as RTS games but still. I personally thought the PvP in WoW was harder than FPS games.

And I'm not a new gen gamer, I grew up with NES/SNES games.

I only play the game named love and never get bored with it.
Thinking about stepping to me? You'll be owned. (for girls only)

when do you think westerners will get bored with japanese culture?

>>374
When do you think the Japanese will get bored with western culture?

I never get bored

let's talk about whale massacre and stuff
do the japanese really kill dolphines?

Yeah, in some places
It's difficult to descriminate flesh of dolphines
from that of whales.

Let's leave the dolphin discussion out of here, it will only lead to flamewars
because many people are so narrow-minded that they think it's OK to kill cattle
and what have you not, but it's not OK to kill dolphins.

It's OK.

Though meat of dolphine is often sold as that of whale,
even Japanese don't eat meat of dolphines favorably, if
they know truth of the meat they are eating.
Dolphin is a cute mamal for Japanese as well as for European.

But discuttion of eating dolphin might have discussion go out of
discussion about catching whales. So, I agree with >>379's opinion.
discussion

let's talk about TMHT then

I heard TMNT was changed to TM Hero Turtles in some countries in europe
because they thought the word NINJA was somehow too evil for lil kids or something

>>381
Teenage Mutant High Turtles?

>>382
This is true. I'm from Norway, and once I saw a movie named "Teenage Mutant Hero
Turtles". Note that it was a cartoon movie. At first I laughed, then I cried on
the inside. I think the latest CGI TMNT movie was named TMNT.

However, I think the "Ninja" part is back now.

oh lol
I guess they thought like Ninjas = Assassins = Murderers

>>385
Actually, I heard something about some people thinking it was a Japanese swear
word or something of that sort, and that's why it got renamed, but somehow I
doubt that anybody could be that stupid. It was probably just an attempt at an
image change that failed horribly.

I was watching some TMNT intro videos on youtube now, and
in the UK version Michelangelo's nunchaku was edited out... that's absurd

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=EwTZ2xpQwpA&eurl=http://machinist.salon.com/blog/2008/03/21/youtube_awards/index.html

This video won the youtube award in music category.
I can tell he is quite a good singer but other than his singing technique,
is there any reasons he's got so many attentions and won the award?

Still can't sort youtube search results by view counts. Why? What's the point?

>>387
If you're gonna talk about how you were just watching something streamed over
the internet, you should stop being a fucking cocksucking asshole and post some
fucking links you degenerate asswipe. Also, since I'm pissed at pretty much everything
right now, I'd suggest to just mentally remove all the insults in my post, as it
is nothing personal, I just thought it was common sense by now. Me having to even write
this post is completely unnecessary.

>>389
You aren't making any sense. Do you mean that you want to sort youtube search results by
view counts, or do you mean that you don't want that because there's no point to it?

>>388
4chan supported him. That's why.

>>390
oh really.
by the way I never posted any link. you can go wipe your ass now.

>>388

Oh shi i remember this. I think this was what some of anon wanted to have after
the wrath of rickroll right?

Anyways yeah. I blame 4chan for this.

the best music video on youtube is indian thriller
nothing even comes close

>>343
Woo, where to start.
Stuff like this is pretty personal. Everyone's got their own, slightly different reason for liking BL.
Do a Google search for "why do you like yaoi" (without the quotes) and you'll get all kinds of discussions about it.
I'll tell you my thoughts, though.

I think there are some people in it more or less purely for the sex.
They think two guys together is hot, and it turns them on to watch it.
It makes sense, I think. Just like most guys like watching lesbian porn, girls can enjoy seeing two guys together.

Some other people seem to find it "cute" or "touching".
You don't usually see the sensitive or emotional side of boys, and because BL is drawn mainly by women for women,
it caters to some women's desire to see "loving" men.
I should have mentioned this earlier, but the fact that it's drawn by women for women plays a huge part in the popularity of BL.
In general, women know what other women want to see.

By and large I think it's a combination of the two above points.
(I use "we" below, but I don't assume to speak for all women. It's just a figure of speech.)
Women like sex just as much as men, but we like it with a story, with meaning.
We want to know who these two men are, and what happened to them until now, and why they ended up fucking each other at this moment.
BL fulfills both of these. Most BL manga/novels have two attractive men,
a story in which some major problem is encountered and the two men resolve it together, thereby becoming closer to each other,
and plenty of hot sex along the way.

>>395
And it's 3 fucking AM so I'm going to sleep.
If you've got any more questions, ask and I'll answer 'em tomorrow.

Fujoshis are not women.

Such unladylike language.

Japanese Fujoshis and American Fujoshis are completely distinct.

Why do people often put the word "sage" at Mail?

>>400
It makes it so thread is not 'bumped'. It does not refresh
in thread list on main board.

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>401
I think the thread list should be refreshed when someone put one's comment in a thread.

Wang

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at the far right edge of the status bar.

I need money

I need a boyfriend

I need to get laid.

uho

My GF gave me a Herpes!!!

she's not your gf but a prostitute

Your GF sucks.

>>395
I'm not into lesbian porns so it's difficult for me to understand the
anology. And I think a porn in which a man and woman make apperance
is more popuar than lesbians. In the case of Fujoshi novels, novels
depicting love between two men are more popular than love between man
an woman, right? Maybe I am wrong....

>the fact that it's drawn by women for women plays a huge part in the popularity of BL.
>but we like it with a story, with meaning.

I undersatnd this part above but personally, I thought it's easier to
relate yourself to a female character (if you are a woman) in a relationship
of a man and woman. In boys love, you can't relate to any character
in the novel.

Maybe you are thinking it's difficult to explain to me why BL novels/mangas
are popular among fujoshis. All right, setting aside why they are popular,
another question is whne you read this type of novel, race is important?
I think male characters are set to be Japanese men. If they weren't
Japanese men, do you think BL novels would be popular?

When readin BL novels, it doesn't matter where the characters are from?

What, are you like a 50 years old business man? I haven't seen anyone this clueless in a while

My bf gave me a Herpes!!!

78 名前：名無しさん＠英語勉強中 ：2008/03/24(月) 00:15:44
0.56や 2/3 は、英語でどう読みますか？？

79 名前：名無しさん＠英語勉強中 ：2008/03/24(月) 00:21:04
zero point five six
two thirds

80 名前：片岡数吉 ：2008/03/24(月) 00:22:10
zero point five six

one devided into three, 1/3
two of it, (1/3)X2

one into three
its first as large as its second, which as large as its third
two of the largeness of its third
so,
two third?

Am I weird? Americans, British, Australians, answer me, pleeeeeeeeeeease!!!!

so,
two third?

Am I weird? Americans, British, Australians, answer me, pleeeeeeeeeeease!!!!

I don't want to see my favorite cute gay boys making love

>>418
DIE

People say 10% of men are homos. That means one in every ten guys.
So it''s like we have 2 homos per school class.

uho

>>415
You might want to read this and have a basic understanding of them before asking.
I don't think you'll completely understand what it's like to be a fujoshi, though,
unless you become one. I don't, but this plus the lesbian analogy made sense to me.

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%85%90%E5%A5%B3%E5%AD%90

If I was a torturer, I would cut the victims penis vertically with scissors.

wtf... cut your own penis

I think I've got gonorrhea from my gf...

i got AIDS from my bf

I have visited a prostitute recently and got infected with “ganaria”. But within one week it has gone off and perfectly normal now.
Unfortunately my wife is now infected now. She experiences unbearable burning sensation while passing urine, and she says she noticed
some yellowish thick fluid coming out of her organ. Immediately I understood it is ganaria. Will it vanish on its own as in my case?
Or should she consult a doctor.

You two both go to see a doctor.
Your viruses is just hiding somewhere in your body. It's not that
you are cured.

let him die slowly

no objection

Let his wife survive.

yeah, she is a victim

Dirty BAKAYAROO.
Go to JIGOKOOl!

>>415
>In the case of Fujoshi novels, novels depicting love between two men are more popular than love between man an woman, right?

I think you're confused as to what a fujoshi is... Fujoshi like BL. BL = Boys' Love.
So BL manga/novels, by definition, only depict love between two men^^ (Although women might play a secondary role.)

>In boys love, you can't relate to any character in the novel.

That's not true at all. Gender plays *a* role in determining whether a reader can relate to a certain character,
but I would argue it's not even the biggest factor. Whether you can relate to a character depends on whether you
can see yourself in his or her shoes, and see yourself thinking/doing some of the same things he or she does.
If, for example, a character in a BL manga is deeply in love with his best friend but afraid to confess for fear of ruining the friendship,
there's no reason why a woman wouldn't be able to relate to that if she were in the same position and feeling the same thing.
But again, most of the time women aren't reading BL to "relate" to any of the characters anyway.
They just want a good story with romance and sex. It's pure entertainment. It doesn't matter if they can "relate" to it or not.

>Maybe you are thinking it's difficult to explain to me why BL novels/mangas are popular among fujoshis.

^^ Well, fujoshi *by definition* like BL novels/manga, so this question is kind of meaningless.
I was trying to explain why a woman might be a fujoshi in the first place.

(continued...)

>>436
>race is important? I think male characters are set to be Japanese men.

Not at *all*! XD First of all, there's tons of "fantastic" BL. Vampires, angels, demons; characters and settings that have no relation to Japan.
Second, even with "real-world" BL, the mangaka very often draw their characters to look Western! It happens in normal manga, too.
Big eyes, blond hair--there's no reason why they couldn't be American. And since the vast majority of American BL fans can't read Japanese and are reading these works in English translation anyway,
I imagine it's very easy for them to pretend it's taking place in America, a more familiar setting.
Third, there are many BL works that have foreigners as one of the main characters.
Some artists really enjoy bringing an American or European touch to the story. Chinese (e.g., Hong-Kong mafia) is another popular choice.

There are, of course, many, many manga/novels that are inescapably Japanese, because of cultural references or whatever.
But I think most American fujoshi have at least a small interest in Japanese culture already,
and even if they don't, it's just an interesting "exotic" touch that is tangential to the story itself. In other words, it doesn't really matter.
For example, I've read lots of novels that take place at least partly in Hong Kong. It's really interesting to learn some new things about a culture I'm not very familiar with.
There's also novels that take place in America, but I avoid those because I don't care. XD
In other words, a specific cultural background is just that: the background to the story. I would say that for most of us, it's not a reason to read, or to not read, a certain novel/manga.

(continued...)

>>437
>If they weren't Japanese men, do you think BL novels would be popular?

Absolutely. There are definitely some fujoshi that like Asian (or strictly Japanese) men, just as a personal preference. Hell, I'm one of them.
And then there are some fujoshi that *don't* like most Asian men, because they think they look too feminine.
But I think it's safe to say that, at least for American fujoshi, it's not about race at all.
Give us two hot guys, a good story, and sex, and why should it matter what country they're from?
In Ikoku Irokoi Romantan, a very popular manga that recently was animated as an OAV, one of the men is Italian.
Anyway, as I said above, BL mangaka often don't draw Japanese-looking men (or even realistic-looking men XD).
So in many cases, the fact that the men are "Japanese" isn't very important, or doesn't even factor in at all.

And that's all from me. Sorry it turned out a little long.

pu

"a good story"

keep having dreams.

Can you get Gonorrhea from drinking from a glass?
Can you get Gonorrhea from drinking from a glass that someone else drank from and you didn't know it?
In college I think this other woman drank from my glass of beer at a party. I didn't know she did until she said " Can I have more of your Beer" So I gave the rest to her. She said " Sorry I took some earlier"

>>424
I read the link. Thank you.

>>436
I think now I uderstand correctly the word fujoshi. I'm sorry for my lack of
knowledge about it. I took that fujoshi=otaku girls.

I think I learned a lot about fujoshi thanks to your posts so far.
But honestly I still can't help but wondering why a relationship of
two boys. Your answer to this question was "You don't usually see the sensitive
or emotional side of boys, and because BL is drawn mainly by women for women,"

That's not convincing explanation to me. A female writer could write a story
in which a woman and man love each other full of sex scenes, depicting
emotional side of boys. Now I know you feel like your efforts are all
in vain and you must feel like talking to a dumb.

Maybe it's like having to make someone unfamiliar with Natto, fermented soybeans
understand how good it is. It tastes good for those who think it tastes good and
difficult to explain why it's good to those who have no clues about
it's tastes. (I don't like natto by the way.) Maybe this anology is
all wrong. Forget it and thank you for your explanations.

>>442
Hey, we're actually both around for once.

>A female writer could write a story in which a woman and man love each other full of sex scenes, depicting emotional side of boys.

Yes, she could...
But from my limited understanding (I don't read romance novels), they're not usually like that.
The men tend to be strong, commanding, confident characters that "take care" and "protect" their women.
I think it's definitely not the norm to see men feeling insecure, or uncertain of how to win their women's affections,
or sitting alone thinking of the women they're in love with for hours on end.
This isn't to say men don't do this. But typical depictions of heterosexual romances (at least in the West) usually don't present the male character in this way.

This isn't the reason I like BL, so I'm actually not the most qualified to explain this point, but from what I've heard from other fujoshi, this seems to be a big reason.

>>443
Then what if there were novels that depict a man and woman
relationships where the man shows insecure and uncertain feelings to the
woman? You still choose BL novel?

I think something hentai (pervert) aspects of women, which every woman
has deep down, are the reason of BL novel's popularity.

>>444
Like I said, that's not the reason I like BL, so no, all other things being equal,
I personally would not choose a heterosexual romance over a BL one. Would other fujoshi? I don't know, I can't answer that question.
But I will say that most American fujoshi that I've met are very open-minded. They like a good m/m romance just as much as an m/f one, or even an f/f one.

>I think something hentai (pervert) aspects of women

Well, like I said above, part of the reason is we think two men together is sexy.
If you want to call that "perverted," then sure, go ahead.
People like what they like. I don't see anything wrong with that...

>>445
Do you imagine yourself reading BL novels in your forties and fifties?
maybe the point of being into BL novels is too much fantasy to boys or men's.
If you get to know men or boys dirty sides, you might not have too much
fantasy toward pureness of boys and men. Sorry if I am totally off the mark.

stfu already you retard

>>446
>If you get to know men or boys dirty sides, you might not have too much fantasy toward pureness of boys and men.

I can confidently tell you that there is very, very little danger of that among American fujoshi, at least.
Unless a girl is extremely sheltered by her parents from a very young age, American girls have no fantasies about the "pureness" of men.
That's part of what I meant when I said it's drawn by women, for women. *Because* it's sometimes so far from reality, it caters to exactly what women want.
I also want to point out that there are many BL manga/novels that are all about gritty realism.
The characters are realistic men, with realistic motivations and desires, and the story isn't a happy or pretty one at all.
These kinds of stories are actually very popular with American fujoshi.
We, as a group, tend not to like the ridiculously fluffy love-love stories that the Japanese fans seem to love so much.
We acknowledge those as a kind of pleasant "candy" for the brain, something we can flip through quickly and smile at and forget about.
It's the harder, grimmer, sometimes nasty stories that many American fans really like to read.
Cultural differences, I guess.

These are all just general observations from being part of the BL "fandom" in America, I don't mean to stereotype.

Still talking about it? Why don't you pick one up and see how it works, if you're interested?

>>448
So, there seem to be a differences between Japanese fujoshis and Americans
from your ovservation.

In BL novels, boys only love boys, they never love women. Don't fujoshis
feel frustration about it? I know frustration is not appropriate to what
I mean but can't find better words. The men in the noivels never love you, girls
which is of course as long as they are just characters in the novels but
I hope you know what I mean.

Sorry, I don't meant to dwell on BL novels.

>>450
Of course not. If we felt frustrated, why would we read it?^^
Fujoshi are rooting (cheering) for the boys, we want them to get together. That's the whole point.
If we wanted to see men get together with women, we would read a normal romance.

There are deep valley between me and fujoshi loving BL. haha

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=LqstT9uZoEI

This girls is the most gorgeos girl who speak Japanese in youtube in my opinion.

Is it OK to take that all foreign female japanese manga/anime fans are
fujoshi?

>>455
o_o
What the hell? Are you joking? No, that's definitely not the case.

Is Obama winning?

>>456
Is it OK to take that BL novels are エロ本 for fujoshi, then?

According to the wikipedia article, they rather want it to be a homosexual story
so that they don't have to feel jealous of any female characters getting involved
with their favorite male characters. I'm sure this is just one aspect of their fujoshi
culture or specific type of work made after some manga, but I find it interesting.
It's twisted but somehow makes sense; they don't want anything that distracts their fantasy.
As a male, I could read some lesbian story that's filled with lots of action and sex.

>>458
Eh, I suppose.
Some "BL novels" have very little sex, or no sex at all. They're more about the relationship.
But insofar as most of them are the story of a romance between two men, and there are often sex scenes, I guess you could call them エロ本.

>>459
I've heard that explanation get tossed around, too, but I've never actually spoken to a BL fan who felt that way.
Meh, who knows.

>>460
That means a fujoshi masterbates reading BL.

>>460
Which of these are you in this video?
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=DSMzp561XOk

>>462
I think usually not *reading* BL, but there are definitely girls who masturbate while watching it.
In case you didn't know, there's a lot of animated BL.

Fujoshis are not girls.

>>461
Hm, maybe some of the BL writers have that motive then. I don't know.
Oh well, it's getting so deep I can't even pick on them now.

>>464
How do they do? Fantacying one of the characters are her boyfriend?
This is what I don't understand.

In japan men are dominant in the otaku world and in the west it is the other way around,
interesting.

>>466
There's definitely a disturbing trend of "female-bashing."
I don't know if you've heard of Naruto, but there are some fanfic writers who write stories pairing up Naruto and Sasuke,
and they'll have Sakura die some kind of horrible death, or treat her like some kind of incapable moron.
This happens in just about every BL fandom where there's also a main female character.
As BL gets more and more popular, it attracts more and more idiots... What can I say.

>>467
Why do you think women have to somehow interpose themselves into the situation?
This isn't true at all. They get aroused by watching two men who are in love with each other, having sex.
That's really all there is to it.
There might be some women who imagine that they are one or the other of the two men, and that's how they get off.
I honestly don't know, though.

>>468
No, there are still far more male "otaku" in America than there are female.

>>438
If I remember correctly, You wrote before you don't have any specific
favorite Japanese actors or singers. You said you don't know much about them.

In >>438,
>Absolutely. There are definitely some fujoshi that like Asian (or strictly Japanese) men, just as a personal preference. Hell, I'm one of them.

Does this contradict what you said before? I mean, in most cases,
if you are interested in Japanese men, then you have favorite Japanese
musicians or actors. I don't meant to interrogate you, though.

Fujoshi or Otaku girls tend to be at the bottom of Jock hierarchy?

I can't imagine a cheerleader who's into BL novels.

>>471
>I mean, in most cases, if you are interested in Japanese men, then you have favorite Japanese musicians or actors.

Why would I?^^ I just meant I prefer Japanese guys (talking about looks), just like another woman might prefer Italian guys or black guys.
It doesn't mean I'm going to keep up with Japanese pop culture or have a favorite idol or something.
There's plenty of Japanese bands I love, but I don't think that's what you're talking about...

>>472
Haha! Oh, please. Did you learn about the "jock hierarchy" from American TV shows?
School here isn't actually like that. People associate with their own little "cliques", or groups of friends,
but these aren't on any kind of hierarchy. You just hang out with who you want to hang out with.
At least that was my experience. Maybe there are some schools out there just like on TV, who knows.

>>470
If you count normal anime/game fans as otaku, then yes, but I've seen more female ones
who are real hard core otaku.
When I see someone fanatically talking about less mainstream otaku stuff, 9 out of 10 times it's female.
Mabe it's just me.

>>473
Bands are about music, actors are about their looks (not many girls
say, "I like his acting style.) So yes, I'm not talking about bands.

>>475
I'm tempted to say that's simply a product of the fact that in general, women like to *talk* more anyway. XD
But yeah, all of these observations are so subjective, it's impossible to draw any real conclusions.

>>476
Well, you said "Japanese musicians or actors", so...

>>469
I don't know much about any of those names, though I watched a couple of episodes of Naruto
on TV by accident and kinda enjoyed them. I'm not familiar with the hardcore part of the scenes though.
I thought it was like some Johnny's talents work with female idols and some fans get really pissed,
or something like that. That's all I can think of. And sure some of them are idiots. (Sorry, Johnny's girls here)

>>473

http://www.kanekosugi.com/profile/images/photo01.jpg
http://thumbnail.image.rakuten.co.jp/@0_mall/w-dream/cabinet/calender/cl-135.jpg
http://img.blogs.yahoo.co.jp/ybi/1/a0/b3/autumn_in_purple/folder/657234/img_657234_26974870_1?1169773704
http://addons.books.com.tw/G/J03/bc/7/J030003587_bc_01.jpg
http://www.otakudigest.com/blog/images/Misc/dinner-otaku-1.jpg

If you could go out with one of them, who would you pick up?

>>474
I heard the term in this thread.
I can't imagine cheerleaders hang out with otaku girls.

>>470
>Why do you think women have to somehow interpose themselves into the situation?

Because that's what I do when watching a porn video. All men watch a porn
video as if he was haveing sex with the girl.

>>479
Hoooly shit, cl-135.jpg is smoking hot.

>>481
You are comparing BL with heterosexual porn, that's why you don't understand them
and why you are such a retard.

>>482
He is 妻夫木聡.
http://images.google.co.jp/images?hl=ja&q=%E5%A6%BB%E5%A4%AB%E6%9C%A8&lr=lang_ja&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi

>>484
Daaamn. That is one fine-looking man.

the guy with 4 bowls of gyudon has the biggest penis.

>>473

http://image.space.rakuten.co.jp/lg01/12/0000538212/97/img349fb911zik8zj.jpeg
http://www.ken-on.co.jp/artist/img/sorimachi_ph.jpg
http://www.horipro.co.jp/talent/PM026/image/photo_26.jpg
http://images-jp.amazon.com/images/P/B00005G7DB.09.MZZZZZZZ.jpg
http://storage.kanshin.com/free/img_29/295818/k70839266.jpg
http://www.party-zakka.jp/data/party-zakka/_/70726f647563742f636c362d3434373630332e6a70670032353000.png

Who would you pick up for your potential boyfriend?

>>487
If I'm judging based on looks...

k70839266.jpg I guess, although if he changed his hairstyle he'd be even hotter IMO.

Aren't you into any Japanese girls at all? Not in a sexual way but their visual or fashion wise?

>>489
Oh sweet Jesus, no. Not at all.

Ah okay, didn't mean to label you as a weeaboo or anything though.

>>491
Haha, it's cool, no worries.

>>489
What are American university students or highschool students typical
date like?

Japanese high school students date at places like karaoke, movie theater or just hang around down town
but they never use car. yuo can get a driver's liscence from 18.
Some university students use a car for dating. They sometimes go to
"love hotel" or fuck at one of them's house if one of them live alone
away from their hometown.

So all in all, you are American oustside but inside have a pervert like
sexual orientation.

wtf? lol

>>492
Tell me your typical fashion.

Worn our jeans and T-shirts on which "I love USA" is written?
I heard American female is fashion unconcious.

>>494
Other than English board, what board do you see in 2ch?

>>493
(I'm not >>489 but...)
Eh, more or less the same. Going out to eat together, going to see a movie.
Often they'll go on vacations together. My best friend went skiing with his girlfriend during New Years,
and over spring break they're going to the beach.
I live in SoCal, so yeah everyone uses a car to go anywhere.
It's very easy for university students to fuck. Most of us live in the dorms.
If you're not lucky enough to have a single (a room all to yourself), you ask your roommate to be "gone" for a few hours.
We call this "sexiling" (sex + exile). XD
Some kids live in their own apartments while they attend school, and obviously it's easy for them to find a place to have sex.

>>494
Well, given that I'm straight, my sexual orientation is normal actually.

>>498
When a uni studetns couple in Japan travel, the girl often tells a lie to
her parents, saying she is traveling with her female friends. Because
Japanese parents don't want them to travel with boys.

>>498
In Japan, to go to prestigious university, you have to study hard
and no time to go out. Only DQN fuck in high school.

exactly.

A straight woman has been into fujoshi novels.
Interesting.
What is behind this? I'm very curious.

>>496
Compared to Japan I think any country is fashion unconscious. XD
Funny thing is, being in Japan over the summer inspired me to pay more attention to how I dress.
I dressed pretty normally before, jeans, tanktops, whatever. Didn't pay a whole lot of attention to layering different colors and shit.
But in Japan it's amazing how much effort the young people put into their appearance.
In my opinion, especially with the girls, that effort backfires horribly. But it made me want to take a little more time choosing the clothes I buy.
After all, everyone wants to look nice.

It's kind of hard to describe clothes... My two favorite pairs of jeans are actually from Japan.
You can't find jeans that awesome in America, or at least I don't know where. T_T
And I wear mostly tanktops... Yeah. Nothing fancy.

>>497
Was that meant for me?

>>502
Read the logs.

>>499
Some Americans have that, too. Depends on their ethnicity.
For example my best friend who's Chinese, her mom doesn't even let her sleep over at other friends' houses. Even if that friend is a girl. >_>
And then some people have moms like mine, who trust their kids and let them do whatever the fuck they want.

>>500
Yeah, as I'm sure you know, it's the opposite here. High school is a fucking breeze.

>>502
Eh? You realize that like 99% of American fujoshi are straight, right?

>>503
＞Was that meant for me?

Yeeessss. You don't bother to tell them in 2ch's boards you aren't Japanese, are you?

>>506
I actually don't go on other boards, I don't have the fucking time.
Helping you mofos out here takes enough time as is it is. XD
And I get pretty good Japanese practice just reading and chatting in the threads here, too.
I've had to tell people I'm American in the threads here because I want to convince them I know what I'm talking about when it comes to English,
and my Japanese isn't good enough to allow me to do that. orz

>>503
>tanktops

What about camisole tops? They have been popular for the past five or
more years and first they appeared in Japanese market and we see girls
wear them in town, thier was a little of of controversy.

Camisole tops make look girls like too sexy and some say they make
look girls like a prostitute or something. They look like underware.

http://fashion.glamor.jp/images/8d32.jpg
http://www.dreamvs.jp/site_data/cabinet/web/wear/2065800/m2065800-1.jpg

>>505
Then what's in it? What do the fujoshi novels offer to that 99%?
They go for the fujoshi novels over the Harlequin, right?
I have an impressions that the Harlequin novels better offer what Americans want.

>>507
Are you　ツンデレ？
Your use foul languages sometimes while you look polite.

>>505
But you need to study hard to get good grades to go to IVY league or
Stanford.

>>508
Hm... So is a "camisole top" like a spaghetti-strap tanktop?
That's what we call them here; it means a tanktop with very thin straps.
I don't wear things like the second picture, that's not my style.
But sure, I've got some things like the first one.
o_o I don't think they look like underwear at all...

Are you the one who was fighting the angry japmen in other threads?

>>505
>And then some people have moms like mine, who trust their kids and let them do whatever the fuck they want.

Trust? What do they trust? You end up fucking with a boy when you stay
at his place overnight, right? Your parents trust you take contraception measures?

Are you busty？Tell me so even if you are not. thx

>>509
If you want my thoughts on it, scroll up. I've already talked about it a lot. I'll just say this:
>I have an impressions that the Harlequin novels better offer what Americans want.

"what Americans want" is meaningless, just like "what females want" is meaningless.
There are many women who like Harlequin novels. There are many women who like BL. There are many women who like both, and many who like neither.
BL isn't *nearly* well-known enough in America to make any kind of popularity comparison.
BL is known to a very small segment of the population who are already familiar with Japanese culture,
and it's impossible to know how popular it could become if it were more widespread.
American shows like Queer as Folk (I never watched it) appeared to have a large female audience, so maybe we're more inclined towards it than we think...

>>510
Haha. Dude, I'm American. Most of us in my age group (college students) cuss all the god-damn time.

>>511
Not true. I'm not trying to be harsh, but if you need to "study hard" in high school in America, you're not very smart.
I went to a *very* good public high school, took all the AP (Advanced Placement) courses I could. (AP courses are supposedly college-level courses in high school.)
And I fucking breezed through it. It's not hard. At all. American public education system BLOWS.
And I'm currently going to one of the hardest, if not the hardest, universities in the country.

It's not the grades that get you into schools like that, it's also the extra-curriculars, all that bullshit you put on your transcript to make yourself look good.

>>509
You should reald logs in the past in this thread. We talked a lot about fujoshi things
here.

>>513
Nn... what thread? o_o
The peeps over in J->E got a little pissed off at me a few days ago but it only lasted like 10-15 responses and I apologized for the misunderstanding.

>>512
Even the one in the first picture looks like underware to me.
It's the thin strap that makes me think so I think.

>So is a "camisole top" like a spaghetti-strap tanktop?

Maybe you are right. I'm not sure. There seem to be more types of
camisole top, or spaghetti-strap tanktop in Japan. Some camisole top
looks like a underwear, like this. http://nui.joyfullife.jp/archives/images/DSC01857.JPG

>>518
There are a whole bunch of trollers in J->E.
They are there for fights.
Just take them out. Or simply frag them.

>>519
ぷｗ
If you think *that's* racy, some of the shit American girls wear would blow your mind.

>>520
Doin' my best. XD
I really like 'em though. They're a funny buch of guys, even the trolls.
And there's something really fucking cute about a bunch of Japanese guys getting all excited about some completely inconsequential point in English.
I'm sure I do the same thing when I'm talking about Japanese with friends, though. XD

>>522
buch -> bunch >_>

>>516
You claim you are/were good student but If you are so good why didn't you
go to Stanford which in CA. If you learn computer science, Stanford
is the best place. producing lots of entrapreneurs in IT business.

If Private uni's tuition is the problem, I heard UCLA and US berkely are
good state university. Never heard of California tech uni.

Do you think you are as good as those who are graduating from universities
like Stanford or UCLA?

>>522
Looks like the J->E is something like HALO to you, right?

>>521
Show me your photo of wearing the sexiest tanktop you have.
Preferably don't forget to perk up your nipples before you shoot a photo.

>>524
Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Institute_of_Technology

Just 'cause you haven't heard of it doesn't mean a damn thing.
And fuck Stanford and their grade inflation.

Do I "think" I'm as good as them? What kind of bullshit question is that?
I'm smarter than some people. I'm dumber than others. That's the way life is.
Do I think the quality of the education I received is equal to theirs? Mother-fucking definitely, if not even better.

Uh, sorry. I'm just proud of my school^^

>>525
Haha, I told them I really wanted to play Halo 3, and one of the guys was like, "Okay, your handle's gonna be Master Chief."
That guy's fucking awesome XD

>>527
I see. Now I know your university is pretty good.

Well, some Japanese love to rank schools by this standard called 偏差値, which is supposed to
show the difficulty of being admitted to a school. And as you might know, university life is a
breeze for most students once they enter their school.

What do you call 素振り and 背筋 in English.

The former is an action when you swing a baseball bat or tennis racket
without using a ball. Just you swing to check your form or other purposes.

背筋　is a workout to strengthen your back muscle. You lie on your stomach
and raise your upper body up toward the ceiling again and again.

This a question from スレッドを立てるまでもない質問スレ.
I'm not the one who aske the original question.

>>530
Ha, I remember learning about that for the first time in Japanese class.
Honestly there's a lot of universities in America that are like that.
The number where you actually have to bust your ass is probably far less than the number you can breeze through.

>528
Where is your photo of you wearing a tanktop?
You don't have to show me your face.
You can photoshop your face or whatever.

>>531
素振り is practice swinging.
If we have a special name for that stretch, I've never heard of it. o_o Sorry.
I tried Googling just now but couldn't find anything.

>>534
Thank you.
"Do a workout to strengthen muscles of the back" is all right?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=8XKIHbXIhcE
From 2:07 This is called 背筋（運動）Kind of like the opposite of 腹筋(運動）=sit-up

>>535
Jesus, that looks really fucking hard. I wish I could do that.
A "workout" generally refers to a bunch of different stretches/exercises done in sequence.
So I would call this "an exercise to strengthen the back muscles".

>>536
Thank you. I'll respond to the question in the thread.
By the way, do you really say in daily conversation, "fucking" or "Jesus"
or words like that? Aren't you exaggerating here to look like a rebel against
authority or something?

I just watched Batman Begins. It was amazing.
Ken Watanabe died at the begining. I thought his was a bigger role than that.
Christian Bale's body is crazy. He is made of muscle.
I can't wait for the sequal The Dark Knight.

>>537
Haha, actually I type here exactly like I talk.
Of course when I'm talking to adults or older strangers I keep it very polite,
but with friends/family I talk like this.
There's nothing rebellious or anti-authority about it^^ These days, at least in the area I live in, almost everyone cusses.

So there's no 背筋 exercise in America? How do Americans strengthen their back then?

>>539
I got it. It's the reality there, I guess but I don't think it's a
good move. It can't be helped though.

>>539
No wonder prime time TV shows use "shit" in these days.

In america, those curse words are bleeped out on TV but in Japan they are not.
American movies aired on TV are basically dubbed in Japanese, but we have a choice to listen to
the original audio, in it there are plenty of curse words, like fuck, cunt, shit.

>>540
To be honest I've never seen anyone do it.
I don't know a whole lot about stretches besides the basic ones that everyone knows...
You could try googling "back exercises" or something^^

Everything is OK in HBO, by the way.

>>539
Have you done a cyber in a chatroom?
I have. I have made a 18 year old girl come when chatting with her.
Even with this poor English I managed to made her come believe it or not.

The Last Samurai is a good movie. Ken Watanabe's presense in the movie is overwhelming.
I think Tom Cruise is a good actor, but he is recently continuously bashed by the internet and I don't like it.
Leave Tom alone, please.

I often download HBO' Bill Maher program, but recently it's not so good. It's a shame.
He is old and going bald.

>>544
You have been a geek and never been an athletic type. That's why you
don't know 背筋 IMHO.

背筋　means muscles on the back.
腹筋 means muscles on the belly.
That's my guess.

>>543
It's kind of unfortunate when Japanese people try to swear in English...
It doesn't work very well. >_< This isn't just Japanese people, any non-native speakers who have an accent sound ridiculous when they try to swear.
With swearing, if you don't pull it off right you end up looking like an idiot.
Besides, swearing in Japanese (shit like てめえ and んだとこのやろー) sounds so fucking awesome, why would you rather do it in English...

>>548
Ah dude, I love Bill Maher. I haven't seen any of his shows recently though.
Saw one like a couple weeks ago, I thought it was pretty funny...

>>550
We aren't talking about muscles themselves but talking about exercises
to strengthen those muscles.

>>551
It's almost impossible for NNSs to be the Gunny from the Full Metal Jacket, right? Only in their dreams... That sucks.

I don't think Japanese has curse words in the same sense English has theirs.
May be　まんこ　or　クロンボ？ I don't know.
てめぇー　ボケー　カス　or anything like that don't even come close to fuck or cunt in my opinion.

>>555
Yeah, Japanese "cussing" (if you can call it that) is very different from English cussing.
I still think it's pretty cool, though.

LOL Why クロンボ?

クロンボ　is nigger?

GOD DAMN AMERICA!!　

>>555-556
"Full Metal Jacket" is never dubbed in Japanese as far as I know.
Maybe that's why.

>>556
What's your life cycle these days?
Go to bed around 3am and get up around noon and while you are up,
you are surfing the net?

おまえの母ちゃんのマンコ引きちぎるぞ このチンカスマンコ！！
Just wrong.

Oh yeah, チンカス owns fuck or cunt any day!

>>561
It's lame. Sounds rather judgmental.

>>561
Past week has been pretty ronrey. T_T
Last week was finals week. My friends were all locked up in their rooms studying and getting work done.
I was the only one with a really easy term, so I had basically nothing to do.
Now it's spring break, so I've been home since Friday night.
One of my best friends is going to Vegas with some other friends, the other is going to the beach with his girlfriend.
My other friends are all at Berkeley and aren't around here anyway.
(Of course my friends at Caltech have also mostly gone home for the break so I can't see them.)
So yeah... been passing the time reading books, chilling with my family, and hanging out on 2ch.
I get my wisdom teeth out on Wednesday (fuck fuck fuck) so the rest of this week will be spent recovering anyway.
Not a very fun spring break for me... (;_;)

Aaand on that horribly depressing note, I'm going to sleep. Have fun, guys...

>>566
Are there any sutudents who come from the east coast or Alaska or Hawaii
to your university?

Have a good night sleep!

>>562
＞おまえの母ちゃんのマンコ引きちぎるぞ このチンカスマンコ！！

It's so funny and silly.

Takahashi Meijin >>>>>>>>>> Mouri Meijin

Does anyone want to hear the story of Jesus Beard and Venomous Dick?
Venomous Dick is an assassin. The story contains killing and violence.

Killing and violence? Please yes!

I'm going to bed sorry.

That is worst story

I wonder when keira will start her vlog?

>>570
No thanks.
Let's talk about Easter bunnies. =^x`=

Are those bunnies delicious?

Yes. They are killed especially for Easter.

Nice.

ttp://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XSGqO7vwk&feature=related

This is the song that makes your day.

Then time to go to bed.

Aaaaaagggaaaaaaiiiinnnn! NO MORE NORIAKI!!!!!

久しぶり！返事遅くなってごめんね。
元気だよ。うん、日本の学校行ってます。
中国語はまだやってるの？
またね〜

↑訳してください！

It's been a long time! Sorry for my bitchyness.
I'm doing well. Yes, I am a school in Japon.
Are you Chinese? Bi.

>>581
He is too sexy to ignore.

If that weirdo is sexy, I'm super sexy

Noriaki is a train wreck!

booooooooooring

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqTHmzMk0Cw
it is not boring!

you're right..

Noriaki. How is your gay boyfriend doing?

>>582
Uh I hope you didn't use >>583's translation, it's a joke. This isn't where you should be asking for that anyway...

>>567
Yup. We have students from all over the country, and a good number of international ones, too.

Have you ever wondered why do men have nipples?
Totally useless things .I think.

>>591
I understand you don't find it interesting to mingle with people on SNS.
Do you have any favorite websites?

>>593
The only ones I frequent with any regularity are 2ch, 4chan, ニコニコ, and Fark.
Sometimes I skim Slashdot when I want something interesting to read, BBC when I want to read the news.
There's a handful of communities on LiveJournal I read...

Fark was new to me. I did a quick research. It has similarity to Digg.
What do you thin is the most interesting videos, If any, on Niconico?

Never known LJ has communities. Are they the place where people who has
a LJ account participate? I don't know what the communities re like there.
Are they like message boards with many threads?

>>594
If you want to know what the real music is, this video enlightens you.

ttp://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=tWXSkgStqls

>>595
Yeah I've been to Digg once or twice. I like Fark more, though.
Maybe it's because I haven't given Digg a real chance, but Fark seems like it has more of a community.
There are "Fark jokes" and references that only Farkers get, and those notorious users that everyone's heard of and loves to make fun of.
I like that friendly kind of atmosphere.

As for ニコニコ, the ones with funny subtitles can be really great.
Like the subtitled Indian-Thriller video, or a while ago some guy put funny subtitles on a video of clips from an old Japanese Spiderman TV show.
But mostly I just click on random videos, and the comments are usually hilarious regardless. XD
I don't know why but the casual commentary that people make on ニコニコ, probably with no intention of being funny, just crack me up sometimes.

LJ communities are basically like "shared" blogs. Anyone in the community can post to it, or comment on posts.
It's not like a messageboard, just like a normal blog that's shared by more than one user.

Yeah. comments on nikoniko is sometimes hilarious.
Sometimes a bombardment of comments make it hard to watch a video itself.

And in that case, I have to turn off the comment function.

Superdelegates make up about one-fifth of the total number of delegates to the convention
and are free to support any candidate for nomination.

You should know by now that no one really gives a fuck about your Noriaki videos.

Now that I know what da real music is, I have responsibility and obligation
to spread his music.

Sure, good luck with keepin on trolling only to fail horribly then.

Have a sense of humor. Noriaki is real funny.
He is teasing Japanese rappers pretending to be like Black rappers.

They two black guys are real funny, too treating Noriaki like thier real buddy.

I have told you guys before that in 2channel there are many girls who voluntarily
show thier boobs and private parts responding other 2channelers' requests.

These photos are circulating by Winny and some put those photos on uploaders for
everybody to download. They put them on downloaders just for a short period of time
so it's difficult to encounter the chances.

I was lucky the other day to download lots of those photos. If you
are interestend, I don't mind sending them to you. You show your e-mail
address then I'l send them to you. They are not only image files but
also video files taken my thier cell phones. Some do a masterbation
in the videos.

I'm very lonely.
How do you cope with the loneliness you face?

Don't tell me to hang around with friends. I don't have any friends.

>>597
How did you know ニコニコ？

>>607
I did an internship at a company in Japan last summer, and a friend that I made there told me about it when we were talking about popular websites.

>>608
Interesting.

>>604
I think pretty much everyone got that point. So move on.

>>608
Was it a big company everyone has heard the name of?

>>606
Watch this, Mr. Lonely!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CXDQaXk54w

http://imepita.jp/20080325/544980
http://imepita.jp/20080325/544980

Now an amateur is showing her boobs.

>>612
It is an interesting vid.

>>611
Yup.

Hello I'm neet I don't have anything to do
Please engage in a conversation with me.

>>615
Tell me the name then if it's all right. IT related?

>>616
You can talk with anything here.

>>614
That's "the best way to piss off a co-worker at the expense of
being labelled gay for the rest of your time working there" !!

I can't speak English!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mee too

Then what the frak are you doing here?

I'm here watching Matsuzaka pitching for the first time this season!
I hope he gets crushed and burned, and the red sox lose!

Don't let the Bostonians get mad.
They are really scarely people.

You mean you are watching the game live at the sadium? >>622

I wonder if the　米人, the internet addicted housewife is watching
the game. It's 5:00am there? She will read the result on Boston Globe.

>>621
just trolling

yeah!! Matsuzaka is burning down!!

The Ortiz shift sucks!

Baseball is the mosst boring sport to watch.

I think Daisaku did a decent job, allowing only two runs in 5 innings.
So I'm disappointed.

You is my frendo?

I'm nobody's

You can be mine. Forever.

"Knock? knock?"

Who's there?

>>633
I'm gonna be yours. Forever.

>>636
You're pwned!

>>635
"aventure"

>>637
I'm owned

>>638
"aventure" who?

>>640
I bet yo'all enjoy his music.

ttp://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=6EDJ3Ns-4_A&feature=related

NO MORE NORIAKI

Just ignore that moron.

No I won't ignore that moron. Sorry

That's ok. You're just another moron then.

>>635>>640
Where are you from? US?

I'm from the Buckeye State.

>>646

That's why you noticed I was trying knock knock joke.

Did yuo happent to post in 2ch with handle name a while ago?

>>645
Yes I'm moron.
And you're another moron who can't ignore me.

>>649
Hey, you are not the pserson who put the Noriaki's link here.
I did.

>>650
YOU ARE THE BIGGEST MORON HERE

z

>>649
You are liar. I'm the first to introduce noriaki
as well as nanako sos!

I want to know the difference between moron and idiot.

>>650
NO MORE NORIAKI
>>642 = >>644 = >>649

>>654
moron -> retarded
idiot -> mentally ill

>>656
OH, thanks. Morons sounds more insutling.
Idiot is somewhat forgivable cos it's mental illness.

>>653
I didn't say I was the first to put the noriaki's link here.

So　Is "the moron"　more suitble translation for Dostoevsky Идиот白痴,
instead of the idiot??

I have not the read the book untill now though.

>>658
who the hell are you, moronidiot

I couldn't post here for more than two days due to
server restriction. Now I feel free!

I'm a nutcase crackhead.

airhead is another word to describe somone who is stupid.

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx

IQ Range Classification
70-80 Borderline deficiency
50-69 Moron
20-49 Imbecile
below 20 Idiot

Technically, the moron who loves spamming the noriaki turd is an imbecile or idiot.

>>664
Don't insult his music and his fans.

He produces the real music and his fans know what music is all about.

A barefoot Ichihashi eluded capture when police came to his home that day
to investigate the disappearance of Hawker,
an English teacher with the Nova language school chain.

Do you know where Ichibashi is right now?

airhead is similar to moron?

Suspect calls fatal stabbings random

A man arrested over Sunday's stabbing spree that left one
person dead and seven others wounded in Ibaraki Prefecture
says he wanted to kill his sister, but unable to find her,
he stabbed people at random.

He wanted to kill his sister! Why can anybody be thinking like that?
I love my family!

668 is a hypocrite

"I stabbed (Miura) because I saw him by chance," Kanagawa was quoted as telling investigators Monday. On Monday,
it was also found that Miura and Takahiro Yamakami, the victim who
died in the Sunday stabbing rampage, were each stabbed in the neck just once.

You die just one stabbing in the neck?
You gotta protect your neck, man. Protect your neck all the time.

New York's Negro Governor Abuses Drugs, Cheats On Wife :
Nigger Admits Vices To Press; Jews Call Him "Man" Of Integrity

Oh, I gotta put "from" in there! Darn, I thought I typed that way. It's so easy to mistype, I must be always on the lookout for it...
Or,, is it "of "? Do you die of stabbing? hmm...

Ex-governer buyed callgirls.
Then incumbent-governer is a drug addict?

And the president is retarded.

>>672
I'm japanese. But I think from is better.
I was taught of is a cause of inner illness and
from is a cause of rahter outer injuries by a japanese lecturer.

>>674
Always.
And alchoholic. lol

alcoholic. sorry.

Finally had the interview this morning.
The company was bigger than I'd expected, with around 6 designers, 15
salespeople and 2 receptionists. From looking at the standard of their
websites, I expected only about six people at the most. The first fifteen
minutes were talking about what I did and eventually want to do, then I
was given a test... to spend 45 minutes making a basic 4-page layout for
a fictional driving school, being only given a piece of paper with badly
spelled and badly phrased information from a fictional client.

nice

Finally I got you!
If you have a time, please take consideration.

[That's why 4chan has moderators... and hopefully they
won't leak into this thread too]

Can I ask the same question again. Why isn't the end of the sentence
"either" instead of "too".
I learned either follows "not".
In the first place, I don't know why we have to use either with
negative sentence. Too can be used for everysentece like I don't like her
too.

>>678
>given a piece of paper with badly spelled and badly phrased information

Did your potential employer give you intentionally such a bad piece of
paper for you to experience a client with bad grammar and spelling you might
have to deal with if you are employed?

Or does that mean a person in charge of giving you a test is bad at
grammar and spelling and made such a bad piece of peper full of misspelling
and bad grammar?

Anyway, I'm relieved to know that you weren't infected with viruses
you made on your own.

Oh my, his future boss might be a former chav..

>>680
"Either" is usually used when you're talking about a choice of two
things. "Either one is fine" can only be used with two objects, meaning
one or the other - but not both. When I was talking about the threads,
I meant 'as well as', rather than one or the other, so couldn't use the
word "either" correctly there.

>>681
It was definitely intentional, for the same reasons you said. You might
be surprised at the number of native speakers who can't actually use English
properly. We often see people who can't tell the difference between "your" and
"you're", and those who put apostrophes in the wrong places. Back when I was
at university, I used to pass a stall selling jacket potatoes and sandwiches,
and the sign on the sides always said "hot potato's".

interesting

not really

so so

Potatoes are never interesting.

>>683
About native speakers making mistakes, I'm with you. It depresses me so much. T_T
Our language is dying a slow horrible death, I swear.

which gods?

How are you supposed to pronounce "potato" properly? tei or te?

How are you supposed to pronounce "potato" properly? tei or te?

>>690
puh-tay-toe

I guess it depends on if you're in UK or US

>>683
That's because you native speakers learn English by ears first.
We Japanese learn English through written materials so we
never make such mistakes.

>>694
It has nothing to do with that. We learn proper English in school, too.
It's just (at least Americans) people these days don't fucking read, ever. Not books, not newspapers, nothing.
And they don't give a shit about being correct, as long as they get their meaning across they think that's enough.
If you pointed out their mistake, they'd probably just shrug and laugh.

nenriki syuutyuu pikipiki dokan!

Who are "we" there?

>>695
That kind of people end up staying at the bottom of hierarchy.
Well, Even Dan Quale? who used to be vice president couldn't spell
potato, so there are some exceptions though.

>>696
Tachimachi otsumuga daihuuuunkaaaaa.

>>697
Anyone growing up in a country where English is the primary language.

>>698
I only wish that were true. But then you look at our current president...
Seems like American society doesn't really value intelligence at all anymore.

Do you think Bush's academic record was good enough to get accepted by
Yale university? Extracurricular activity made up for his academic
record?

Or his parents made a big donation to the university to have his son
accepted?

>>701
It's called legacy. If your parents went to Yale, you basically get a free pass in.

Good school

>>702
Is that clearly stipulated by the uni's rule?
Doesn't anybody object the idea?

I hate it.
But it must be true...

>>704
Is it written down in some official document? I don't know.
But it's common knowledge that Yale (and other Ivy League schools) do it.
Sure, lots of people think it's ridiculous, myself included. Doesn't change anything.

>>706
Gah. I make a typo just as I'm babbling about people making stupid mistakes.
do -> does

Looks like the world turns around a man? or a woman? from the UK.

>>706
If all sons and daughters of IV graduates can enter the IV unis then,
there are almost no chances of other people entering the IV league colleges.
That can't be true.

By the way, the woman who are interviewing Clint Eastwood graduated from
Brown University, one of the IV league unis.
How does her English sound to native speakers ears? Sophisticated?

Oh, forgot to put a link.
http://perapera.livedoor.biz/archives/381778.html

>>709
Legacy isn't guaranteed admission. It just makes it much, much, much easier.

And sorry, I don't know who you're talking about.

>>710
Sophisticated isn't the right word.
You can tell her English is close to perfect (but non-native) and she sounds very intelligent.
It's about what I'd expect from an American in her position, interviewing a film director or something.

"I hope you a good luck." is not proper English, right?

If I'm not wrong, either "I wish you a good luck." or "I hope you'll
have a good luck." is correct. What do you think?

This TV announcer who stayed in US from 5th grade to 11th grade says
"I hope you a good luck." when giving advice to younger announcer.

http://perapera.livedoor.biz/archives/190202.html
There's a video in the middle of the page.

>>712
I agree with you. She looks intelligent.

>It's about what I'd expect from an American in her position, interviewing a film director or something.
I don't understand what you mean.
You mean she lives up to your expectation as an interviewer?

>>713
And you say she'd been in the US straight from 5th grade to 11th grade?
I'm kind of shocked. Those years are, I thought, pretty formative. I would have expected her English (and her accent) to be damn good.
Just goes to show you how crucial those early years are, I guess... Or maybe she's just not very good at picking up languages.
Anyway yes, it's totally wrong. You can't say "a good luck" in the first place, good luck isn't something you can have "one" of.
We usually just say, "Good luck!" Sometimes, "I wish you good luck!" or "Hope you have good luck!"

>>714
>You mean she lives up to your expectation as an interviewer?

No, just that the language (the words) she uses and the kinds of things she says/asks are, I think,basically what an American interviewer in her position would also say.

>>715
Oh, "a" isn't needed there. Thank you. I also expected her to be better English speaker

>>716
Now I undersatand what you meant. Thank you.

Speaking of female interviewers, I sometimes see American female
interviewers do an interview crossing her legs. Is that because
the female interviewers intend to creat casual and relaxed atmosphere?
Or there is no such a intention and she behave just as she wants?

In Japan, you can't imagine female interviewer do an interview with her
legs crossed. It looks really rude and impolite to an interviewee.

>>718
Um... to be honest I don't think anyone really gives a shit about it over here.
It's just another way to sit. Legs crossed, ankles crossed, whatever.
Obviously if you're wearing a short skirt or something and you sit with legs crossed, that's a little slutty.
But women in "formal" situations (interviews, whatever) aren't wearing short skirts so it doesn't matter.

It's not about formal or casual, relaxed or polite, it's just a way that many women sit.

>>719
OK. But if I had a chance of being interviewed by an American woman/men
sitting with her/his legs crossed, I think it would be hard for me to repress
my impulse of kicking their upper legs and making them sit with her knees
put together. In men's case, it's all right if they didn't sit with
their knees put together. I don't know about other Japanese.

>>720
Heh. It's funny how other cultures can be so concerned with things that you yourself find insignificant.
Of course I'm sure there're many things Americans are very particular about that Japanese people think are trivial.
Just funny how that works.

Sometimes it seems that by doing that, Americans try to intimidate opponents.

Americans are often very assertive.

>>699
urusa-----i

>>723
Japanese are often very passive compared to just about any other nationality.

>>718
And salacious and seductive.

But when mizuho fukussima cross her legs,
it is just miserable and party pooper.

>>725
i doubt it.

>>719
Really. corrsing legs is somewhat arrogant and cocky and
westernized sign in japan.

And sharon stone must be normal in japan. lol

In america. I should have checked before I posted.

>>723
If a lady is an american, crossing legs when they speak is not
really offensive. If I feel ofended, it's their assertiveness, the way
they speak....

Whats age guys get softy?
I mean down there...

>>732
Over thirty something, I heared somewhere.

it's getting harder as i grow older. what's wrong with me?

Your brain cells are dying out....

ah, i see. it's no big deal then.

Time to think about a Viagra guys...

Find new girl Haha.

you are ridiculous

I am a stud.

Really???
I thought men have bones there

I have a boner.

Is that like a cat tale?

geeee

It's like a rocket rancher.

My cat likes his tale stroked, but he doesn't like it pulled...

I like mine squeezed.

>>745
maybe, a rocket launcher is right.

No worries, >>745. Your Engrish is pretty good.

It's like a sperm rancher.

>>749
Don't fuck with me, bro. Be honest. My English sucks. That's the truth, and I know it.

Can't suck a toothpick.

>>751
Get this, you moron. Your English is not so good.
Everybody knows about that.
I'm telling you that your EngRish is preety good.

>>753
I don't think everybody knows that because I'm neet and don't go out and have no friend, so there is no "everybody" in my life.

Your English is preeety.

>>754
You stink. Take a shower.

I have nothing valuable in my life except my okay English. Nothing special or professional about it.
I can babble like an idiot in English, but no one compliments me that much.
What should I do with my life? Am I worth living?

>>757
Why don't you go to a place where they introduce you to a ptotential
employers.

Maybe you should take English tests such as TOEIC or Eiken to prove
your English proficiency.

>>757
I think you can exterminate your life and go on to the next one.
Next life wouldn't be so bad, with all the knowledge you have right now to turn to.

Suicide is painless. Don't worry.

>>758
Alright then, I might do that.

>>759
You might be right. But but good things don't come that easy, I suppose.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-L1-aC5ToM0

What do you think of this video?

Japanese look like some kind ofa monster other ape.

>>763
Are you commenting looking yourself in the mirror?

>>764
I'm commenting on your specific face. ^^

I just wonder whether a tooth fairy takes care of wisdon teeth.

If they are officially licensed, then maybe.

>>760
Don't lie. Have you ever tried?! No.

He is the suicidal king. Don't test the master.

Then I wonder how much I can get from the wisdom teeth.

None, because it's going to a trash bin.

I don't get even a penny for unbearable pain and suffering?

>>754
I want you to be my friend on myspace. lol

>>772
Ask your counsellor.

Wisdom tooth removal is one of the easiest operations. I've had two of them pulled out already.
As long as they don't mess up the alveolar bone underneath it too bad, it'll heal up in a few days.
You have to be careful about infections though.

I firmly believe "dentist" is another name for a torturer.

My dentist is about 5' tall and has a power complex. It's always the
short ones.

They're more like money mongers. Actually they look happy when they pull a tooth out bacause
it automatically leads to expensive options to follow.

I still remember the sound it made when my wisdom tooth got yanked out.. It was a weird feeling.

sadistic

I had my wisdom tooth pulled out because it was cavaty.
I asked my dentist if I could bring it back home and he said "sure."

It was strange that I asked him the question because it had been a part my body
until a few minutes back. It was obvious it is mine.

I showed it to my neice and nephew to make them realize if they
don't wash their teeth carefully, they have to have their teeth pulled
out. I still store it in a drawer and now I am thinking about putting
it in Coke to see if the teeth melt if it is in it for a long time.

eeeewww

What's ewwwwwwwwwwwww?

Just saying ewwwwwwwwwww will get you nowhere.

bahwwww

>>780
Vinegar will do.

>>784
Parents often tell their kids not to drink Coke because it makes
it easier for teeth to become cavaty so I want to experiment with Coke.

>>785
So I heard.

>>I want to experiment with Coke
　I want to know a result.
Keep it posted.

>>787
But maybe I won't experiment with it. hehe
I feel affection to the teeth. I think I'll keep it in a drawer.
Maybe it's a good idea to visit kindergartens in my neighborhood
and give kids there some lectures, showing my pulled-out tooth and
encouraging them to wash their teeth carefully every day.

It must be very very stinky, mustn't it!

Acids cause the demineralization in your mouth that can result in tooth decay.
Fermentable carbohydrates help certain bacteria to produce specific types of acids that
penetarte into the enamel, dentin and finally reach the nerve. You could possibly die
from the bacteria circulating in your system when the immune system is too weak to fight
the infection.

penetrate*
Anyway, brush your teeth at least twice a day.

I heard all new born babies don't have the bacteria that cause tooth
decay in their mouth. When a mother's saliva somehow go into her baby,
then the bacteria in it begin to live in the baby's mouth.
And if a baby is lucky enough not to have the bacteria in their mouth until
a particular age (I forgot the age), then the bacteria don't live their mouth
forever.

That kind of people actually don't have to wash their mouth.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc1CKQ6MQrE
This comedian on the left wearing a nectie with almost skin head
said before that he's never washed his teeth and still he never has have
tooth decay.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=SRXHVq-ydN0
This three girls are impersonating them.

Nanako NON

>>683
So, What's the difference between
[they won't leak into this thread too] and
[they won't leak into this thread either]?
This quesiton may fill the gap between you and me in
understanding the question.

I would just advise you to remember that in a nagative sentense and
question, use "either."

In positive sentense, use "too." No more no less.

>>795
But イギリス人さん said [That's why 4chan has moderators... and hopefully they
won't leak into this thread too] is o.k and correct. with either is
wrong.

About saying "either"
You don't had better see how they are corrected theoretical

Just feel it. as what professer Onishi explained.

I wouldn't care about such a trivial thing and would move on.
But I'm not you and you are not me so go ahead.
I shouldn't cut in in the first place, sorry.

>>794
»So they won't leak into [either] the first thread [and] the second thread.
"Either" is used incorrectly here, because it's talking about an object AND
another object. "Either" would correctly be used in an OR statement (below).

»So they won't leak into [either] the first thread [or] the second thread.
Talking about an object OR another object.

What I was saying was an object AND another object, together. So I used "too"
rather than "either".

Using "either" in positive or negative sentences is a different context, not
really related to comparing two objects such as in the above statements.

>>780
I remember back at school, we did a similar experiment with Coke and a leg of
chicken.

Nanako Sos won't sex and doesn't know what it means.

She thinks kissing will cause pregnancy.

But it does?

I am who I am!

Give a shit is an English usage that Americans prefer?

>>800
I know. But I don't wanna hear such a obscene word
with nanako sos.

I failed to become Next God, Next Mamoru Takuma.
God Damn!!!!!!!!!

crazy!

>>799
I speculate "not either A or B "is the same situation of "not both".
But either is concentrating on respective object
such as A or B?
So in your brain You imagine this thread and
another thread altogether? So you used
too?

Correct me if i am wrong. I assume "they won't leak into this thread too" is a negative sentence.
Is it right? And possibly "too" in the sentence
does not modify?(修飾する） verb?
Is Too not adverb but adjective in the sentence?


Sorry for being so tenacious and perhaps obnoxious.

If my questions made you feel tired,
you can ignore .
And Non-face-to-face communication has some limitation and neverthelss you answered my questions.
I thank you very much.

Hmm, it's really interesting subject for me.
I keen to know イギリス人 san's answer as well.

>>807
My English grammar dictionary, Practical English Usage, says
"not either A or B " is used to join two negative ideas, which refers to "not both".
"either A or B" is to talk about a choice between two possibilities (and sometimes
more than two).

As イギリス人 san said before, he had been talking about two objects together in his sentences.
In other words, he had been talking about two things not just without choosing,
but without negative or positive meanings.
I'm not sure whether my guess is correct or not, but イギリス人 san will
answer your question, I hope.

Viagra vs levitra vs cialis.
Which one Do you like?

BOOM.
I did it, guys. I am now three wisdom teeth lighter.

The fourth one's messed up and I need to go to a specialist for it later. orz

http://blog.livedoor.jp/eg_daw_jaw/archives/50171421.html
　"I hope you have a good time at the movie tonight," Jason said, looking just a bit sad that he couldn't go, too.

He can drive a car, but his wife can't, too.

Are these example sentences are helpful to understand イギリス人's sentence?
He meant they leaked in to 4chan but hoped they won't leak into this
thread too?

Personally I wouldn't mind using either and too wrong as long as I can
make myself understood.

If the earth started turning around the sun in the opposite direction
because I use them wrong, then I think I would have to learn how to
use them correctly.

>>810
Holy moly, I didn't know you were gonna have all of them removed. That's insane.
Usually, they take care of one side at a time so you can chew stuff on the other side...
Did you request that? I bet you talk like some animal now.

>>813
Meh, at first the lady's like, "We'll do two today and you can come back for the third one."
But it's like, why waste the time? Get this shit over with all at once.
I'm just sad the fourth one is all curved and shit and I gotta go to some crazy oral surgeon for it. >_> But not gonna worry about that now.

I'm actually totally fine. The extraction itself was painless, they gave me shots (those kinda hurt) and then I didn't feel a thing.
Turns out I was in there for 2 hours but didn't feel like that long at all. I think I spent most of the time lying there waiting for the shots to kick in.
The top two slid right out, literally like twenty seconds. Bottom right was a bitch, they had to drill through some bone and shit. o_o
That's (bottom) the only one that had to be stitched up, and it's the one that hurts right now. But they gave me Vicodin (which surprisingly enough doesn't make me sleepy!)
so it's just kinda sore, nothing I can't live with. Basically I'm normal with a slightly (well, very) sore bottom jaw.

http://www.aammss.com/2shot/chat/othello/sanka-o.cgi

Let's play an ocello game.
there you can play ocello game while chatting. Sounds fun, eh?
I have to clean my house so I'll be back in an hour. If you want to
play a ocello game with me, raise your hand here.

I'm an old man.

>>814
Yea, the bone on the lower jaw is much thicker and the wisdom teeth are usually
buried deeper inside. Maybe a specialist will crack the last one and remove the pieces.
The bone in the indented areas are going to grow back eventually , so you'll be ok.
But it's amazing you asked her to pull out all the wisdom teeth at one appointment...

>>816
Wow, you seem to know a lot about this stuff. But is it that strange, getting 'em all out at once?
I was mildly freaking out in the days before the appointment XD so I did a bunch of research online, just reading other people's accounts of their experiences.
Seemed like a lot of people get four out in one go. But a lot of them also seemed to get knocked out, I just had local.
After having gone through it, I think getting knocked out for something this easy is kind of ridiculous...

>>817
Now I fully understand why people call you Master Chief. You are the man.
Sure it's not gonna kill you, but it a major surgery x 4 even though it's easy,
so I assume a lot of people would hesitate to do that.. Anyway, I don't like dentists
much, so I've learned a lot by myself so that my dentist cannot bullshit with me.
And I sort of enjoy local anesthesia.

>>818
Haha, thanks man. Shit, I don't like dentists either, believe me. But this:

>so I've learned a lot by myself so that my dentist cannot bullshit with me.

this is a good policy. I'm getting increasingly paranoid that dentists/doctors are gonna feed me crap one day, just to get some money out of me.
Maybe I'm just an asshole, but I feel like you can't really trust anyone anymore to be straight with you.

On the topic of local anesthesia, while I was lying there I spent a few minutes marveling at what science can do.
Hit me up with two or three shots of that shit, and she can go in there hacking and cutting away and I can't feel a damn thing.
It's pretty wild, if you think about it...

>>819
Lots of dentists are all about money, so you are not too paranoid there and
I've read so many crazy stories. I'm sure there are lots of trustworthy dentists out there,
but it's hard to find one if you don't know how. I've find that good questions and good answers work.

Local anesthesia can be entertaining to other people too. One day, I hung out with a friend right after
my appointment, and of course I looked like a retard since I literally couldn't keep my mouth shut.
I couldn't speak well, but I guess my face worked better than any joke I could have made...

When I had my wisdom tooth pulled out, my dentist used something like
a pryer and he was like pullking a thick nail out of a board.

It didn't hurt at all but that was a feeling I don't want to experience
again.

When my mouth and gums were still under anesthesia, I drank a cup of milk.
I could keep my lips shut so milk spilt from my mouth and watered down my joe.

Good news, horny pervs.
Finally we got a schoolgirl here in this board.
Why don't you come and say hi to her.
(seems like she has nice tits)

http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1206590087/l50

>>823
Is she just a stupid newbie on 2ch or is she pretending like a newbie?

>>824
Does it really matter? End result is the same...

>>825
Yeah, the end result is adulthood.
So sad :( ...

I just went there to see what it is. It was just about tits and shit.
Are they all like 13 years old or what? Some are like hyper retards too.

>>827
Welcome to 2chan!

>>828
No, it's just that I haven't been to VIP in a long while.

Yo Master Chief! You've just pwned a bunch of idiots in J->E today?

She got pwnd by a dentist today. Didn't know that Master was being trolled in that thread.

THE FALL OF MAGIBON
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=u1zwyNXnyF8

>>830
Motherfucking Christ. You opened the topic so I'm going to vent, since I held myself back there.
FUCK. Fuck they're annoying. I know they do it on purpose and they're morons, but fucking Christ.
If I saw one of those motherfuckers in person I'd come this close to smashing my elbow through his teeth.
Dipshits just spew complete and utter bullshit, and I just know some moron out there is going to believe them.

Why the fuck would you mess with me? I'm doing you a favor, because most of the translations you get when I'm not around fucking blow.
I'm sitting here in mostly-numbed post-wisdom-tooth-extraction pain, translating the random bullshit you guys post because I don't feel like sleeping.
And yet these douchebags find it fun to fuck around with me and insult me, because I'm a fucking 外人.

Jesus. You don't have to like me. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to translate shit.
So why don't they just shut the fuck up if they don't have anything legit to say.

And my rant is over. I feel better. Thank you.

Girl, that shithole is the coo-coo's nest. I thought you knew that.
Take some more painkiller and rest.

Somewhere in the world, a troll smiles, knowing that his job is
done.

>>833
Looks like you've just got another purple heart. So sorry to hear that.
Take it easy. Those MFs are simply resident morons. Just frag them.
They will soon come back though. Anyway, nice hunting!

>>834
Ah, shit. You're right. And I'm not half as pissed as I sound up there, just needed to type out a few cuss words and blow it off. XD

>>835
Thing is this isn't ordinary trolling. I don't want people to believe this asshole and start saying shit like, "Have you been used to your new life yet?"
That's why this really pisses me off. There's people trying to learn shit in that thread, and he's going to confuse someone.
And when 50+ people apparently leap to his aid, what the fuck can I say?

>>833
Looks like you've just got another purple heart. So sorry to hear that.
Take it easy. Those MFs are simply resident morons. Just frag them.
They will soon come back though. Anyway, nice hunting!

>>838
ಥ_ಥ...
What would I do with you guys.

>>839
Fuck. *without* I meant. *without* you guys.
I can type, I swear.

>>838
Just shoot between the eyes. Maybe that will work. (It worked at least in the movie.)

For Anon of Athen, KGKGKG finally came on this board!
http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1205747940/994

994 ：KGKGKG ◆S8KGB88cvE ：2008/03/27(木) 22:03:44
またネラーが勝手に俺のビデオ貼ってるし。なんか気持ちわるいわあ。

Oh man, that hero is everywhere now.

Is that guy... singing under a blanket?

I couldn't even watch through it..

KGKGKG speaking English.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=mSovXHrc84w&feature=related

I didnt watch it. I went to his profile page and theres a shot
of him in front of his webcam underneath a sheet or blanket.
Is it past his bedtime? Or does his dad get home drunk and burst
into his room looking for some lovin'?

>>847
Why not have a look?
At the end of the video, he wears a contented expression on his face
and makes a peace sign. It's really gross and creepy.
Please share this feeling with us. lol

Seems like he needs to get some lovin.

I want to fly like Jesus

Was KGKGKG chasing Emily (Applemilk)?

>>849
He's friggin' creepy. He's very active on Youtube, like leaving
comments on any videos of hot girls speaking Japanese.
Yeah, I think you are right. He's doing his best to catch girls,
especially when they look young like 14 (he actually said he likes 14 year-old girls).

Jesus flew around the world with his penis. Like a helicopter.

I watched this video. hahaha! What an idiot! He gave money to that
girl!
And Applemilk is dead, thankfully. They found pics of her milking some
guy's cock, and all her fans who dreamed of knocking up a virgin fled
in tears.

>>851
I think he was, as well as other tons of others. And zero hit-rate...

>>851
Not was, but IS.
He doesn't seem to be able to get over her. He's still dogging Emily.

Looks like he has been blanket bombing on young chicks.
Something incredible is that some girls did respond to him.

Sometimes, when he was not careful with angle, it slapped his face. slap slap

Of course they do. There are heaps of girls who'll do anything to
do anything Japanese. Don't forget the ones that answer in stupid
english-japanese terms like "that is so kawaii!!! omgz i wish i could
go to japan lolz"

>>857
And they all find out something not right about him sooner or later, I guess.

>>857
Of course, I would do the same thing. Why? Because Youtube
is real public. If you ignore someone that speaks to you, then
other people watching you might think you lack respect. To put
it another way, some girls responded to him because they want to
give a good impression on other people, not on kgkgkg himself.
(I admit there's always exception, though. I mean, some might be
happy to respond because they want to be watched (and he watched her).
KGKGKG takes advantage of such kind of feelings.

Let's quit this. I'm getting a bit nauseous..

>>861
Thank you for your insight.
It's like people greet each other even if they don't know each other in the States when they run into each other.

This thread being spammed with mr kg's videos is the last thing I want.
If you have to do it, put some warning sign, please.

>>864
Git ur dik sucked by a gay fuck has HIV.

Just like you did? No thx. :P

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=u1zwyNXnyF8
He is not white enough. Is he spic?
That' all that matters.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=hKxFWkbAPPw&feature=related
Is she what is called moron or retarded?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=1CXDQaXk54w
Woud you guys transcribe this skit for me? I tried to pick up
all words but couldn't. I made my own transcription. So please
correct wrong words and add correct words to it.

A Yeah, it's like so shiny like the reflection....
B I was joking. That's not cool, boring.
Ahh,, so you wanna go to this party we are going to
later?
A Ah, party?
B yeah, it's gonna be lots of fun. Sara from accouting just got a new having ... home party.
It should be great.
A O.K. Well, who is it going?
B Bill, Bill from accounty. He is also gonna be going.
....on seventh floor. Hey, remember that girl
friend at chrismas party. She is gonna be going to
it. It's a. It should ah. What? Dude. O.K. That's.
I get it. That's gross though. It's not how you do that.
It's not how you do that. You are doing it too slow.
Stop. It's just real fast and you stop. O.K? That's disturbing.
I can visually see.

C ah, what's up, man?
B dude. That's not how you do that.
C Oh, dude that's not. Are you serious? You just
do fast and stop. That's it.
B Dude, You are grossing me out. O.K? And stop making eye-contact. That's creepy too. Dude. That's not cool.
You are crossing the line. You never do that.
You don't do that.
C image..... Don't want my head right now.
B That is not How.. Dude NO, NO. You never
make him touch me. And that's not cool.
That's not how you do. Don't finish. You never finish.
Dude, that's disgusting. I'm telling the boss.
C You ruined my day.
B boss! boss!

>>869

A Yeah, it's like so shiny, like the reflection...
B I'm just joking. That's not really cool, that's boring.
Um, so you wanna go to this party we're going to later?
A Uh, party?
B Yeah, it's gonna be a lot of fun. Sara, from accounting, she just got this new loft
and she's having a house warming party. It should be great.
A Oh, okay. Well um, uh, who's all going?
B Bill, Bill from accounting, he's also gonna be going.
Uh, Rick from the seventh floor. Hey, remember that girl from the office Christmas party? She's gonna be, uh, going, uh, to it.
And it's um... They should uh... What? Dude. Okay, that-that's... okay, I get it.
That's gross though. That's not how you do that. That's not how you do that.
You're doing it too slow. Stop. It's just, it's real fast and then you stop. okay? That's disturbing.
I can visually see...

I know you are all addicted to him so I bothered to put a link
to him.　

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-8XSGqO7vwk&feature=related

Daily dose of his piece of work makes you full of life.

>>869
BOOOOOSSSSS!!!!! BOOOOOSSSSS!!!!!!
that's super funny

I forgot the head part. Sorry.
A Hi, Darren.
B Terren. How is it going?
A Pretty good. Really good actually. Yeah.
I just got this car wax wash my car. It's amazing.
B Ah, That's really coo.

>>870
C What's up, man?
B Dude, that's, uh... Dude, that's not-that's not how you do that gesture, okay?
C Oh, dude that's not--Are you serious? You just do it fast and stop. That's it.
B Dude, you're grossing-you're grossing me out, okay? And stop making eye contact. That's creepy too. Dude.
That is not cool! You are crossing the line! You never do that! You don't do that!
C You're putting an image that I don't want in my head right now, all right?
B Stop, that's not how you... dude NO, NO! You never make 'em (them) touch man! That's not cool!
That's not how you do--dude, what are you--don't finish! You never finish!
Dude, that's disgusting. I'm telling the boss.
C You ruined my day.
B Boss! Boss!

>>872
Die with 本玉儿

>>874
A Hey, Darren!
B Trevor. How's it going?
A Pretty good. Really good actually.
B Yeah?
A Yeah, yeah, I just got this new car wax for my car. It's amazing.
B Oh, that's really cool.

>>876
How come I have to die when I spread the real music to netizens?
Gimme a break.

Fist of all, Americans with suits and ties
are refresing to me.
They are too neat for americans.
Americans have more sloppy and loose
wearing style image. I think or know that's
biased. But too strong impression for me.

And they look good and stylish, different from japanese 'salary man'. I don't know how
americans see them. They may look average
or not special from americans. But white
people with suits and ties look good from japanese.
It's not good but some illusion here in japan.

Skit itself is very impressive but somewhat
leave bad taste on me. Vulgar gag aside,
another factor made me feel blue.
For me america is
very stressful society. They have to do
party(graduation party is famous) and make themselves look wear happy
smile. Men have to be muscline like football
players and girs have to be sexy like cheer leaders.
Too much peer pressure.
They look very artificial and overly from me.Americans must go to graduation party?
Peope who don't go to that one are loser?
I learned even Jeffrey Dahmer had gone to that one
and failure left bad memory in him.
I prefer British comedy, which is more dark humored.

>>877
>>875
>>871
Thank you very much.

It may be like Crossing leg look suggestive and arrogant from japanese
while it is pretty ordinary from american.

>>879
Please don't attempt to write commentary on a society you don't know very much about...

ttp://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=6EDJ3Ns-4_A&feature=related

Before you call it a night or start a new day, this is the song for you.

same ole shit, nothing fresh. overused, simply dull

>>882
Yes. I want to draw real responses from real american.
And I half admit I am biased. I am curious.
How about graduation party?

>>885
Talking about high school graduation? What about it?
Kids throw parties all the time, for all kinds of reasons.

>>882
It appears to me that car wax man is not cool and loser(lonely otaku)
and party man is a typical winner.
In japan having a party is not so common. Karaoke or nomikai(drinking at
bar) is more common.

>>886
I presumed that highschool graduates go to a party
with dresses and Tuxedos and have to find someone to dance with.

Cheer leading is a typical american culture, right?
All girls are dreaming of becoming one? At least they
are winner?
Typical or not. They look very noisy and annoying.
overly acting. They are fun for eyes though..

And I always wonder cheer leading touch the line of
feminism or gender equality. They are so groveling to men...
It's strange cos America is the home land of women's right,
Feminist won't stir controversy about cheer leaders?

Don't think it so hard.
It's a girly thing.

Don't Feminists with glasses get angry about them?

Cheer leaders are as hot as girls with glasses on. So it's okay.

>>887
I don't think that's the point of the skit... At least that's not what I get out of it.
I mean sure the guy is portrayed as kind of a car-freak and not interested in girls/parties, but it's hilarious because he's doing that gesture wrong.
It's funny that he's doing it so weirdly, you're not really laughing at him because he's a loser but because he's making the gesture in such an odd way.

>>888
Ah, you're talking about prom. I didn't go to prom, although I went to what we call the "afterparty" with my friends.

All girls definitely do not dream of becoming cheerleaders. There's a stereotype that cheerleaders are pretty, stupid sluts.
Cheerleaders are the butts of a lot of jokes (meaning we make fun of them), and they don't get much respect from a lot of people.
But of course most of them are pretty, so they get a lot of attention from certain other girls and guys. Like you said, "fun for the eyes."
Are they "winners"? Depends on who you ask. Some girls probably wish they were thin and pretty and could be a cheerleader. I think most of us just don't give a fuck.
In America, most of us are concerned with doing our own thing. We don't really care too much what anyone else is doing, as long as it doesn't get in our way.
Then again, I've grown up surrounded by certain kinds of people: the smart, cynical, more independent kind.
There's probably a lot of very stupid young people (girls and guys both) out there, who don't really think for themselves and just follow the crowd.
But I never personally hung out with them, so I don't know.

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>>892
About cheerleading and feminism, America is full of controversies.
Some people might say cheerleading is degrading to women. Others might say it's "empowering," because they're expressing their freedom and sexuality or some other bullshit.
In the end, they're doing what they want to do. If the girls want to dress that way to get men's attention, it's their choice. Who can tell them otherwise?

Cheerleading is recognized as a sport, pretty hard one, that is.
I guess some are just chacing butts of footballers but some are
serious about cheerleading as a sport.

I'v never spent my high school days as an exchange student in US or
anything, I don't have hands on experiences though.

One thing I don't get it is about cheerleaders of NFL. You have to
go through tough try-out prosess to be NFL's cheerleaders but compared to
salaries of pro NFL players, their salary is less than nothing.

As fat as I know, there were two Japanese cheerlearders of NFL so far.
They are both of San Francisco 49ers. I heard their salary was 5000yen,
about 50 dollars an hour. Maybge I am worng about ht number. I heard the story a long time
ago.

Some women in cheerleading seem to be liquidating their womanhood.
That is not very different from pimping themselves, I guess. And sometimes they say they are simply pursuing their happiness in their own way. Well, it's beyond me. But again, it's their call. I just say, "Whatever."

Holy shit.

It seems like there was 10 NFL chearleadrs so far.
The half bottom of this page, you can see their pics.
http://209.85.175.104/search?q=cache:8-OzR0lL2sMJ:www.nfljapan.co.jp/cheer/cheerleaders/index.html+%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E4%BA%BA%E3%80%80%E3%83%81%E3%82%A2%E3%83%AA%E3%83%BC%E3%83%80%E3%83%BC%E3%80%80NFL&hl=ja&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=jp&lr=lang_ja

>>it's their call
what does it mean?

>>897
it's their decision (to make)

>>897
I'm not 895 but it means "it's their decision."

>>898
uho!

nice guy...

>>896
日本人チアリーダーってバカみたい
slut

Don't be jealous. They are smoking hot.

I like 安田愛 most of all Japanese cheerleaders in the past.

>>903
Eh honestly, the American ones are way hotter. Asian chicks don't make good cheerleaders IMO.

You just don't have an eye for cheerleaders. We're sick and tired of the typical ones.
I want to see new types.

South America and Europe have the best I've seen by far.

>>Japanese cheerleaders
Why do they ape yanks and get high?

Huh? They are just cheerleaders. Don't be so selfconscious.

Japanese cheerleading culture is less matured than that of Ameican.
After all it was imported to Japan. Not many high school in Japan
don't have a cheerleading club so when there's a sport event such as baseball
touenament, sometimes students who want to be a chearleader only on
that occasion become chearleaders.

Baseball was inported to Japan about 150 years ago? but
Japan won the World Baseball Classic held for the first time two years
ago and proved the it's the most strongest baseball team among USA and
Cuba, Korea and others, so who knows? Maybe in 22 century, Japanese
chearleading can be the best in the world.

>>Maybe in 22 century
That's a long time to wait

it is ok. I have time machine!

Figure matters.
Japanese cheer leaders won't catch up with americans.
They are so detrimental in figure, short legs, flat chest,
thick legs..
And exaggerated expression on face and yelling are american culture.
won't fit in with japanese.

You sound like a person with Caucasian fetish.

>portrayed as kind of a car-freak and not interested in girls/parties
Refreshing and interesting idea.

>he's doing that gesture wrong.
It's funny that he's doing it so weirdly, you're not really laughing at him because he's a loser but because he's making the gesture in such an odd way.


Also interesting.. I thoght car mania guy made a
masturbation gesture for a revenge.
The taller guy made a up and down gesture first.
I thought it was a cynicsm for the car mania.
I thought the taller guy intended to make fun of him
because car washing is as self-content as masturbating and nerdy. And shorter looks
hurt. So He made a masturbating gesture to
annoy him as a revenge. Is it tottaly
false belief of me?


Why did taller guy made a up-and-down gesture?
What did it mean?
>because he's making the gesture in such an odd way.
What did he try to expres in a gesture?

>>892
Are you 米人？

>>915
So if you make that "masturbating" gesture while someone's talking excitedly about something,
it means you think the other person is just babbling, and you're not interested in what they have to say.
You think they're just talking for their own benefit, kind of like how you masturbate for your own pleasure.
So you're right about the "revenge" thing. The first guy did it because he didn't give a shit about the other guy's car.
The other guy did it to "get back" at the first guy, basically saying, "Well I don't care about your party, either!" (But he does the gesture so weirdly, it's hilarious.)

>>916
Yup.

DO you fack with me?I am still virgin.

>>916
I think he/she is from US but not the housewife who used the handle name,米人.

>>919
Ah yeah, I never used a handle^^ I just meant I'm American.

>>917
Hmm. I thought shorter guy was depicted as geek and creepy guy
while taller one as out-going and positive.
I was too ignorant or thought too much..

Just none of my business matter.

>>921
Eh, that was definitely part of the skit too, I think.
But just about any character making that funny gesture would have been, well, funny.

The other guy did it to "get back" at the first guy, basically saying, "Well I don't care about your party, either!"

I think I missed this point. again I watched the video.
I think I could grasp the atmosphere more clearly this time.

Feelings of the first guy get more close to me.
sulking and angry.

But isn't he too vindictive for american.
I am the one prone to easily get hurt and hold the grudge.
I'm japanese.

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