Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 92

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( ´･ω･) Let's have some tea and chat!
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と＿)＿)　旦　旦　旦　旦　旦　旦　旦

Hey!!! you, geeks, nerds, anime otakus, copy and paste spammers,
pedophilias, cosplayers, neo-Nazis, Yukorin enthusiasts, onabes,
here is the place to have a blast!

Previous thread:
Chat in English (英語で雑談) Part 91
http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1188643186

>>1
Add hitwomen mania to the list.

In the middle of an easy class. Falling asleep...

The hitwoman is falling asleep in class? She will not get far in life if she
falls asleep on the job. Her targets will escape her soft, silky gloves.

In the PRC, we also train gloved hitwomen. They are very specially trained and
are especially effective against the DPRK. The secret to their success is in their
disarming cuteness and their ability to hide anywhere, even in sinks, boxes and
shoes.

Here is a classic example of one of our professional hitcats. As you can see, she is
wearing soft white gloves. She is ready to strike at any moment.

ttp://farm1.static.flickr.com/64/167838256_c7180d846c_b.jpg

>>5
Neko punches are lethal, indeed. BTW, I thought you guys were allied with the DPRK.

>>6
The Purring Republic of Cats does not associate itself in any way with the
Delicious Perch Roe Kitchens. As far as we are concerned, the DPRK exists
only to feed the worthy citizens of the PRC. We send our hitcats there at
night to take fish to feed the masses.

Anyway, Kim Mew-Il is crazy and needs to be put down. The PRC shares its
Nyanko-meshi among all citizens, but the DPRK only feeds its government
officials.

Oh... we have cat memes on 4chan, too. XD

Say, I'm curious to know... do Japanese people ever eat rice with butter?
Buttered rice seems to be a common dish in America (usually eaten with chicken).
As a kid, my mom would often make it this way, but I'd always hate it. XP
It wasn't until I tried sushi for the first time that I started to
grow more fond of rice. Vinegar, soy sauce, or even nothing at all,
I personally think that's the way to go, not butter.
Do most Japanese feel the same way?

ｍｙ　dream is i am creating neo tokyo.

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Why did Mr. Asoh stand for the PM? Because his name sounds like "asshole."

>>11
Sorry, did -> did NOT

>>11
hahaha
crazy…

At Tohyako summit.

the chairperson: "I'm the prime minister Taro Asoh."
the U.S. President: "Mr. Asshole?"
the U.K. PM: "No, he's kidding, a Japanese joke."

LDP never makes him PM.

>>6

DPRK = Democratic People's Republic of Korea aka North Korea
ROK = Republic of Korea aka South Korea

Last time I checked Japan and North Korea weren't allies.

>>15
Oh wait lol I just realised you were replying to a post from someone saying they live
in China :P..... A 100% factual statement I'm sure </sarcasm>

Anyway my bad :P.

>>11

Aso has decided to run for the election.
but most likely, Fukuda is going to win.
Fukuda was probably almost withdrawing from the active service
since he is very old. But seems like he is getting
”棚からぼたもち”（pennies from heaven).

米人さん。I just realized that one of the most beautiful Japanese songs
is this. It's very old though. Sang by Kyu Sakamoto.
"Miagete goran yoru no hoshi wo" (look up the stars in the night sky)
or maybe you prefer "Sukiyaki" to this song.

ttp://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=qstcECSqQH4&mode=related&search=

>>18
Thank you! That is a beautiful song. I couldn't remember "Sukiyaki" until
I searched for it on Youtube; once I heard it, I recognized it at once:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVIddibrWAM
But why is it called "Sukiyaki"? Isn't that a kind of food?

for Kyu Sakamoto fans, here he is performing "Miagete goran yoru no hoshi wo"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P-ZXOeOE9k
He's adorable.
I'm enjoying learning about Japanese music on this thread. Thank you,
thank you!

>>19
It was released as 'Sukiyaki' in the US because it was thought that the original
name, 'Ue o muite arukou' (Looking up as I walk), would be too difficult for people
to remember. It was probably a good marketing idea nontheless, and helped get it to
the top of the US Billboard charts in 1963.

When I first heard that song, I'd imagined him to be a lot older than he was, because
of his voice. It's a shame he died so young.

>>19
Your welcome! I'm glad you like it!
Oh, yes, イギリス人さん。He died by the most tragic airplane
accident in Japan(JAL). He was like an angel, both voice and
the smile, I mean not very handsome though.

>>20
Thank you for explaining that...makes perfect sense.
I didn't say anything about the plane crash, because I've been
posting a lot of depressing stuff here recently. But it is very
sad, he was a great talent.

>>14
Very funny! I think you got it 100% right...

>>16
Where does it say person is from china?

>>22
no no Don't hesitate! you are not posting depressing things
at all. Those are all nice! Many people post irresopnsible
harassments here all the time lol There is no control, or
admin here so you know...this place is so chaotic in a sense
anyway lol

>>10
well done!

>>22
If you like Kyu Sakamoto, I'm sure you woud also like Ninomiya
from Arashi. This is a funny press conference of Nino. He had
to speak English and it was probably like a torture for him...lol
the funny part is, although there is an interpreter sitting next to him,
he just doesn't seem to help him and looking at some other part lol

ttp://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=qNomS0u62Qo

>>26
Oh poor Ninomiya! They kept asking for MORE details...
Actually, he is one of my favorite Japanese actors. He was
very good in "Letters from Iwo Jima", but I have to say that
I liked him best in "Stand Up!". Now that is a great drama.
The first episode is kind of strange, and I thought I wouldn't
like it very much, but I stayed with it, and it turned out
to be fantastic.

>>23
Chairman Meow is from the PRC; the Purring Republic of Cats.
See >>7

Gotta go; I have a meeting with my new Japanese teacher, poor thing.
She has her work cut out for her.

Haha, I never expected 米人さん to be a Johnny's girl! Not that there's
anything wrong with it, it just surprised me.

>>23

>>5 said "In the PRC, we also train gloved hitwomen." Which implies that they live in the
PRC ;). But anyway it's obviously a joke. I'm reasonably certain they don't come from
China.

>>27
LOL YAY!!! that's what I though!!! I have a good intuition!
I thought 米人さ would have caught up with Nino-kun
if she has seen "Letters from Iwojima" She's that type, I thought!
I like him very much that's why I thought she would be the one too! lol
Have you seen "Blue flame"?
today is the last episode of
"Yamada Taro Monogatari"....it's sad it ended...

Do they have a filter on Google in the Purring Republic of Cats too?

uh..sorry...>.< "caught up with" was not the right word!
I wanted to say "caught up IN"...or does anybody know
more suitable word? (hazukashii...)

>>31
We only have very limited filtering. It would be bad for our citizens to see
images of cannibalism and mutilation of cats, so access to Korean information
is very limited (Korea eat cat!). Anyway, you do not need to search Google to
realise the PRC is the best cattery in the world.

>>32
If you want to say something very similar, you could say "get caught up in...".
There is no need to be ashamed, we're all here to learn, after all.

Cats were never meant to be in charge. It is written in our Holy
Book that the Lord DOG chose us as his people. He also granted
us the land you stand on as our own, which, with the help of the
British, you stole from us in 1948 with the founding of your
crusader state.

thanks Charman Meow. you are a knowledgeble cat. ^^

豪州人？

What does "play a funny bugger" mean?
I don't remember exactly the Australian idiom and that might be
play a laughing bugger.

One Australian important man is said to use the expression and
interpreters on the site didn't come up with good translation.
After discussing what he meant by the idiom, they are said to
translate as " playing a laughing homosexual."

=_= soredewa sorosoro oyasuminasai mase~~ tsukaremashita....

>>36

Hmmm there's an expression "playing funny buggers" maybe that's what you mean?
If you're talking about a person it means being silly. If you're talking about a thing it means
that it is broken. For example "The TV is playing funny buggers" means "The TV isn't
working."

I had to look it up but I think the Australian `important person' you're talking about is
Bob Hawke. He was prime minister of Australia for most of the 1980's. Anyway on one
trip to Japan he said "We want you to stop playing funny buggers with trade." Which was
translated as "We want you to stop playing laughing homosexuals on trade." I think what
he really meant was something like "We know you engage in unfair protectionism and
we don't approve of it."

Anyway a lot of Australian politicians liked to use those sorts of expressions in the 70's
and 80's.

>>8
That depends on people I guess but not so common in Japan in my opinion.

http://www.kikkoman.co.jp/homecook/search/recipe.php?numb=00002023
Here's a recipe for Chiken Doria. As you might know, under the sauce
lays stir fried rice with butter and shredded onion. This dish is often
made by my mom.

Japanese food accepts cuisine from all over the world and stir fried rich with
chicken can be enjoyed in some households I believe.

What is with the Japanese and curry? It's weirder than the poms
and curry. When did it become so popular?
I guess a comparable unofficial food in Australia would be the
kebab, cause we always get some after a long night drinking
with friends.

>>38
WOW!!!!!!!!!
That's him! The situation I remember is exactly what you wrote.
And yes, that's "playing funny buggers."

Thanks for your explanation and I am really mazed and impressed by your
search skill with such a little clue. THANK YOU AGAIN!

amazed, not mazed although you can tell that's typo...

>>41
Hehe no problem :).

XThat depends on people I guess but not so common in Japan in my opinion.
OThat depends on people I guess but not so UNcommon in Japan in my opinion.

http://www.inidia.de/hitler_uebt_gesten_im_fotostudio.jpg

>>45
It's a picture of a 2channer taken when the server was down.

Yeah, he is really angry.

>>1
Good Job.
I'd rather have coke though

>>40
You should see the number of kebab shops over here. There seem to be so many
Turks emigrating these days, they're really catching up to our curry houses.

You have to marry with indian or paki or turk and have a baby to
prove you are not racist.

lol, I hate that.
And if you aren't gay, you're a homophobe.

South Asian women are the best.

I'm bisexual and my partner is black!

Japanese curry was introduced by British people. The Japanese style curry (rice) appeared first
in Hong Kong. Curry rice is actually a common dish in pubs in England.
First curry rice was introduced to Japan's navy, as easy-to-cook food.
The first recipe of curry rice in Japan was pretty amusing, where frog meat is the main
ingredient of the dish.
At the beginning, curry powder used in Japan was imported from England, or through
British spice companies. Many a Japanese cook tried to find out the good propotion
of mixing many indian spices, only to fail. The clue was that curry powder imported
to Japan through British company was fermented which added good flavour.

David Koresh and Jim Johnsthe were
the best cosmopolitan that the earth has created.

At the beginning of this year, I went to a big shrine in the suburb of Tokyo to prey
the goodness of the year. The main road to the shrine was full of people and the
both sides of the road were filled with rows of junk food shops, such as Yakisoba,
Takoyaki, Chocolate banana, and something like that.
To my surprise, I found a kebab shop run by Middle-eastern looking guy with some
Japanese women. Finaly, even kebab shop emmerged in quite Japanese place like
big shrines. You would be surprised if Sushi bar appeared in a church in Europe.

>>54
When someone has their mouth full, do you say "What's wrong?
Got a frog in your throat?"
bwahaha....hahaha...hahaha...haaaaah

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/57/Jim_Jones_brochure_of_Peoples_Temple.jpg
God

http://delivery.viewimages.com/xv/72330575.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF19396908EAF14430D35EDF6838E751FA40FAC20392141DB735D
Animal

http://nymag.com/daily/intel/20061108jones.jpg

I don't get it, if he's God, why didn't he rise from the dead
after we shot him and all his freak followers?
I support any culling of creepy evangelical bible belt christians.
Also, the "Animal" link doesn't work, cause I'm an evil foreigner.
Give me your children and your money, and you'll be fine.

I, too, am a foreigner, yet it worked after a quick F5.

well I'll be.
Keep the kids then, they're ugly anyway.

>>60
How about Jesus Chirst? LOL

In colloquial English, do you say 'you wanna be ashamed of
your self' instead of 'you should be ashamed of yourself'?

another one.
"Are you parked your car" is possible? instead of Have you parked your car.

>>64-65
"You should be ashamed of yourself" is used to try and make the person see
what they have done is morally wrong. "You want to be ashamed of yourself?"
doesn't really make much sense in this context. Unless someone is being asked
if the point of what they did was to shame themselves.

"Have you parked your car?" is questioning something that happened in the past.
'have you' implies that it is something that has already happened, and 'parked'
does too, being past tense. 'Are' is used with present tense, to show an action is
currently or still happening, so it would not work with 'parked'.

thank you for a quick answer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=052S1yg-zR0
What he said sounds
'you wanna be ashamed of your self'
"Are you parked your car" to me.

This guy is very fanatic and funny. I don't know this kind of person
is frequently seen in the usa. But we japanse nearly never do justice
with this aggresiveness. I've seen and heard some files to expose
unjustice in japan.Interrogaters were more embarrased and tring to persuade
. They often do "japanse smile".
Anyway English is good language to say clearly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0rSqX-elZY&mode=related&search=
this one is funnier.
The guy acts like a child.
Japanese get to worry too much about other's public eye when getting older.
So we can't even do a good thing with confidence.
We amass stress innerself and finally explode.

We japanse are usually quite and not good at battle of words.

But we keep quiet and stand to the limit and when the limit comes, we may
start to shout irrationl bad words or fight.

>>67
Ah, I see what you mean now. What he says is, "You ought to be ashamed of yourself",
'ought to' being (sort of) another meaning for duty or obligation. In this case, it
has a very similar meaning to 'should'.

The other part is just "And you parked your car...". Hope this helps.

>>70
thank you. it didn't sound 'ought to' to my ear.

>>67
What he is actually saying is "You oughtta (ought to) be ashamed of
yourself". God help him if he ever parks illegally in NYC.

>>28
Am I a Johnny's girl?
Yamashita Tomohisa and Kamenashi Kazuya in "Nobuta o Produce"
Kimura Takuya in "Beautiful Life"
Akanishi Jin in "Anego"
Matsumoto Jun in "Gokusen"
and of course, Ninomiya...
It's all good.

>>30
Due to my inadequate Japanese, I have to watch fansubs. So I
am at least 2-3 years behind what's actually airing in Japan. And I
haven't had time to watch any new (well, new to me) dramas lately.

Does this man pronounce "ought" as close to "a:t"?

>>73
Kind of close, yeah... I'd say more like "ɔːdɑ" though. When saying "Ought to"
quickly, his 't' sound sort of turns ito a 'd' sound. It's an American thing,
I think.

To me it sounds like "ah-tah", with the "a" as in "father"
This person is unusually confrontational; you don't see people
acting like that normally. He seems to be on a crusade to embarrass
police officers who park their cars illegally. I think there
are better uses of his time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C7TZTMhZNI
I don't get the point of this video.
Could you explain to me? what is the racist?

>>74
Yeah, we do make our t's into d's. Of course I didn't pick up
on that as anything unusual.
Whatza madda wid dat?

What's the matter with that ?

In the video situation are jews
supposed to be favored or discrimated against?
I just thought getting no traffic tickets is convenient.

>>76
I think "Jimmy Justice" meant anti-Semitic rather than racist, as
he claims that the traffic cop and the UPS driver were "conspiring"
to give traffic tickets to Jewish people.
I think the traffic cop was just trying to avoid arguing with the
UPS guy.

After these past few videos, this 'Jimmy Justice' guy comes off as rather
obnoxious. He seems to overreact about everything and just repeats himself
over and over. If he was calm and rational, it'd probably be better. But
he's not. And as for the 'conspiring', I agree with >>80, that the traffic
officer was just giving the UPS driver a sarcastic remark back to his anti-
Semitic comments.

>>80
aha! I got the picture. in the video jimmy justice didn't
say a word. He just eavesdropped.
Ups guy might be anti-jewish or have some dissatisfaction
with inequality,
, but the traffic officer might be just nodding to avoid
trouble.

Hi! don't worry. I am not eaesdropping.
I visited here once but no time to read. bye

Jimmy Justice is the coolest name ever.

It's right up there with such classics as Max Steel, Sol Badguy and Philbright Westriverside Warehouserock XXVI.

The hitwoman is travelling
with Kim Jon Ill's son (not the fat one)
for weeks so no time to google search who the hell Jimmy Justice is.

He is loud obnoxious foreigner, it does not matter who he is. He is a
nobody.

The hitwoman's life is actually a lack of flamboyancy
so she is only busy as an attending nurse for Kim's heart
surgery.


o boy friend like Kim Jon Il's son and
has time to google search. lol

The metaphorical or pantheistic God of
the physicists is light years away from the interventionist, miraclewreaking,
thought-reading, sin-punishing, prayer-answering God
of the Bible, of priests, mullahs and rabbis, and of ordinary
language. Deliberately to confuse the two is, in my opinion, an act
of intellectual high treason.

Long time no see everyone!
Sorry I've been gone for so long... I have school now so I've been a bit distracted lately.

I came across this story and wanted to know what you guys thought of it:
"
Two students fought back against bullying recently, unleashing a sea of pink after a student was harassed and threatened when he showed up wearing a pink shirt.

The Grade 9 student arrived for the first day of school and was set upon by a group of 6-10 older students who mocked him,
called him a homosexual for wearing pink and threatened to beat him up.
The next day two grade 12 students decided something had to be done about bullying.
They used the internet to encourage people to wear pink and bought 75 pink tank tops for male students to wear.
They handed out the shirts in the lobby before class last friday. Even the bullied student had one.
They also brought a pink basketball to school as well as pink material for headbands and arm bands.
About half of the schools 830 students wore pink.
It was hard to miss the mass of students in pink milling about in the lobby, especially for the group that had harassed the new student. They were angry and threw chairs, exactly the response they wanted.
One of the bullies angrily asked one of them whether he knew pink on a male was a symbol of homosexuality.
He told the bully that it didn't matter to him and it shouldn't to anyone.
"Something like the colour of your shirt or pants, that's ridiculous. Our intention was to stand up for the kid so he doesn't get picked on."
"kids don't need this in their lives worrying about what to wear to school. That should be the last thing on their minds."
"

ウェルカムバック

I think homosexuality is a sin.
So they will go to hell.

>>89
That's one of the advantages of school uniforms I think. They eliminate one form of
bullying. Although I still remember there being bullying in all the schools I went to.... So
not entirely :P.

I also think defending homosexuals are against the teachings of God.
So they go to hell.

よー、ｋｅｉｒａ。出会わなかったけど、俺は先スレで登場した。
アメリカ人のＹＡＭＡＴＯだ、よろしく。

>>92
Yeah, uniforms are a good way of dealing with it. ...but dressing up is so much fun!

>>94
Nice to meet you!
Are you also native born?

そう、カリフォルニアで生まれていつも住んでいた。
ｋｅｉｒａさんもアメリカ人なのか。

was born in Japan

though

well i better go back

School uniforms are cute...

hopefully

>>96
Ahha, me too. :]
I'm in Norcal and occasionally come here to practice my japanese and compare cultures with my other friends in this thread.
you as well I assume? n__n

えっ、君も北に？どんな町？

hee~~ I won't say exactly where, but I'm central.
weird to find a 2ch'er who's from Norcal! :O

I'm going to sleep now! I'll talk with you later! :D

VET の意味を教えてください。
アメリカで、ホームレスのじいさんが段ボールの切れ端に
VET とマジックペンで大きく書いたサインを持って街角に
立っています。意味を教えてください。

This is not an appropriate thread to post such stuff like asking meanings of a particular word.
>>106

>>106
sigh... go back to school kid...
learn history

What does VET mean?

Very Entertaining Toad

ベトナムの退役軍人(veteran)のことだろうな

>>96
この投稿に関する限り、外人が書いたかどうか殆ど分からないな。

ただ、俺は〜だ　みたいな言い方。これって漫画の登場人物の
影響なのかな？ｗ

keiraさんって聞いて、俺はガンダムのセイラさんを思い出したぜ。
ケイラはセイラくらい美しいに違いないね。
keira must be as beautiful as seira.

http://carview-img4.bmcdn.jp/carlife/images/UserDiary/1417754/P1m.jpg

Sayla Mass was correct.
http://www.karyuart.com/Pics/ArtesiaDIDcol.JPG
uhahahaha you have otaku-perverts in america too!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va8zYS3ClPA

veterinarian　獣医　の意味もありますが、ドラマの
退役軍人の意味だろな。

I think Yamato does not understand title of this thread.

OK!chat in japanese! with him!

Tie niggers to the backyard truck by the nigger's feet!

Well well, aren't we mister goddamn fancypants. We even have a
*backyard* truck.

Neither does >>90, >>106, >>111, >>112, >>113, or >>114,
but I don't see you bitchin' about any of them.
I'm perfectly aware of what this thread's title means,
but I just figured I'd practice some Japanese around a bunch of
natives who seem to be pretty familiar with my own language.
But whatever, maybe I'll try going to that
日本語→英語スレ which I just noticed.

>>113
I'm not entirely manga-influenced. I noticed that speaking
style going around on a few message boards, as well.

>>121
いちいち仕切り屋のアホに構う必要はないぜ。
日本語と英語のチャンポンで行けばいい。
チャンポン、分かる？これはかなりネイティブの日本語だｗ

http://www.goldeneaglecb.com/More%20359.htm
What is backyard truck? Are these backyard trucks?

I was being sarcastic. The fact that he has a truck just for his
backyard implies he's an ass.

Hi!
There is a guy who call himself Geronimo in a thread of 2ch.
I do know Geronimo is the name of a famous Indian (native American) leader.
However, I remember that the name was used to refer a certain type of
rubber for contraception which was introduced in a TV program.
I searched the net for the page which describes the contraception measure.
I found it! in Youtube!
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=2G9yyD4qrGg
Is there anybody who is kind enough to write down what the man in the film
is saying., which I am quite ready to translate into Japanese, and put the
translated script into the thread which that Geronimo guy must be reading.

Ass means butt, doesn't it?
It makes me wonder more.
Backyard truck simply means truck in the backyard?

Geronimo is one of supermen in kinnikuman!

>>125
I'm not sure why you want to know this, but here goes. Consider it
a public service message. He has a pretty strong Austrailian
accent, so I may have missed something.

"Fred Brewster, age 80"
I just don't know why young people complain about having to wear
condoms against HIV virus and AIDS...look what we had to put up
with. I called it "Geronimo", my friend. Compared with the condoms
of today, it was like wearing the inner tube of a cycle. It wasn't
disposable like the modern condoms. It was designed to be used
again and again [Editor's note: yuck!]. When the action was
finished I used to have to wash it, dry it and powder it with
French talc and put it by for a future lucky day. {laughs} It
was like having a bath with your socks on. But it hadn't stop
me in no way.
Title: "If Mr. Brewster can put up with Geronimo, you can use
a condom"

By the way, "Geronimo" is famous as a US battlecry; a soldier would
yell "Geronimo!" as he parachuted out of a plane, for example.

>>125
I just don't know why young people complain about having to wear condoms against HIV
virus and AIDS. Look what we had to put up with. I called it 'Geronimo', my friend.
Compared with the condoms of today, it was like wearing the inner tube of a cycle.
It wasn't disposable like the modern condoms. It was designed to be used again and again.
When the action was finished, I used to have to wash it, dry it and powder it with French
chalk, and put it by for a future... lucky day(?). It was like having a bath with your socks
on. But it never stopped me, no way!

>>128
Thank you very much for your arduous undertaking!!
I saw the video couple of years ago. Then I thought the elder guy in the film
could be American. Today, I watched again and found that he speaks
with different accent from that Americans would speak with.
Because I thought the guy could be American, I interpretted that Geronimo
could be a symbolic name for something wild and tough.
However, as you suggest, Geronimo seems to be a very significant name
in the states, which could not be used to mean a contraception rubber
or something like that.
Now I understand that the guy is Australian, and to Australians Geronimo
is not so meaningful as it could be to Americans.
Anyway, Thank you very much.

>>129
Thank you very much.

>>130
This is a public announcement from 1988 by the Health Education Authority
in the UK. His accent is typical of south-eastern England.

http://yabou.web.infoseek.co.jp/diary/hanpera/niku/Image182.jpg
I will accept no jeronimo other than him.

Does Mel Gibson'S british accent sounds perfect to
British ears?

>>134
Hmm... which movie are you thinking of?

>>135
For example, Brave Heart.

I wonder Sccottish at that time really spoke English rather than
Celtic Language in the first place.
Gibson is a perfectionist. He seems to gather only
native south americans and make them speak indigenous language
in the latest movie.
Even he couldn't revive Celtic language.

Celtic language was banned by English or norman-french English
under english occupation?

England royal families has been influenced greatly by the northern part of France.
How do you think about it? I heard they spoke only french among them.
If it was true, England king must speak French in the movie.

>>138
oui, c'est vrai.

イギリス人さん、
Have you ever discussed the Madeleine's case with someone in real life?
I know it's a cliche, but whenever a huge story like this comes up
in the media, I often read that everyone's talking about it at pubs,
water coolers and dinner tables. To what extent is that true?
And do people who read the FT/Guardian also buy and read the tabloids?
I secretly hope that you're too high-brow to publicly discuss these
kinds of things, but lets face it, it indeed is a fascinating story.
I myself am a anti-middle-class member of the middle-class, so I'm
pretty much inclined to be suspicious of her gorgeous but poor parents.

>>132
Oops! My bad...
We don't take "Geronimo" so seriously. People might yell it if they
were bungee jumping or something. It does come from the name of the
Apache warrior. I think the guy probably picked it up from American
GIs during WWII.

>>106
Grab your electronic dictionary; here we go...
Some of the homeless in America are former GIs who either can't find
a job, lost their jobs, have alcohol or drug abuse problems or are mentally
ill (sometimes due to PTSD=post-traumatic stress disorder). They can
be vets from the Vietnam War or the first Gulf War. Maybe even
the current war, since the Army has been just discharging people with
PTSD and not treating them. So anyways, when these homeless ask for
money, they identify themselves as veterans, because then they are
more likely to receive a handout from the public.
Considering how many people in this country are so quick to slap a yellow
ribbon magnet ("Support Our Troops") on their SUV, and yet some of our veterans
are sleeping in the streets, begging for money, seems to be some kind
of cognitive disconnect, but that's another story...

>>140
Hmm... the first and last time that happened was when I was having my hair cut.
It's mainly the middle and lower classes who talk about it, so I guess it's
expected my hairdresser would try to discuss it. Maybe it's a cruel thing to say,
but it's been going on far too long, and since it has very little to do with me,
there are many other things I am more interested in. However, it still is very widely
discussed in general society here.

As for people who buy and read the Financial Times and Guardian, these aren't the
kind of people who generally read tabloids. The lower and working classes usually
do though, and you often see van drivers examining page 3 of 'The Sun' (which features
a random topless girl) while they wait to start their shift.

>>136-138
At that time, the nobility class was largely French, from the time of the Norman
Conquest, so it would still be expected that the kings and other high ranking people
would be speaking French, or at least something very similar to it.

However, I think that Celtic languages would still have been used by the real natives,
rather than having to learn to speak in French. I think the nobility wouldn't even
care enough to try and talk to them directly anyway. English won out over Gaelic because
it was the common language needed for trade with England, which obviously had the better
economy and opportunities.

But to answer the main question, many British people found Mel Gibson's Scottish accent
quite amusing.

>However, I think that Celtic languages would still have been used by the real natives,
rather than having to learn to speak in French.

I don't get it. Sorry, probably because of my lack of english
ability to read and speak.
I'm not saying Scottish spoke French. I suppose Scottish spoke Gaelic.
But in the movie Scottish spoke English. I know the movie were for entertaiment
and not based on true history. But the movie was somewhat trying to
invoke scottish nationalism and pride.
So it felt strange that scottish patriots speak English amont them.
I guess commercial and technical issues made them speak English.

>quite amusing.
strange, unnatural and laughable? I see.

>English won out over Gaelic because
>it was the common language needed for trade with England, which obviously had the better
economy and opportunities.

So you mean that practical and business issues are the main reasons
for diminishing of Gaelic language?
You think Scottish voluntarily chose to speak English rather than
forced to speak?

In the movie scottish were forbiden to use traditional instruments like
bagpipe. I don't know it was true or not.

>>143
Even though it was trying to invoke Scottish pride, of sorts, I don't think
many Scots these days know much Gaelic still. Perhaps it was thought if Gaelic
was used, Scots who didn't know Gaelic (most of them) might feel they should
be a bit shamed just because they don't know it. This could hurt both the
spirit and the commercial value of the movie.

hahaha. You are smart... I coulnd't image like that.
As you said, Scottish had to read the English subtitle...

>>144
That's what I think, yes. There are still communities especially in the North
of Scotland which use Gaelic language, but these areas haven't really been
affected by English trade and commerce. Go further south to the bigger Scottish
cities and it's very different. Of course, being part of the United Kingdom, using
English has been encouraged, but hasn't been forced. This applies to North Wales too,
except there the signs are dual-language, and the people often prefer to use Gaelic
over English still.

I found gibson(scottish)'s great affinity and
compassion to irish people.
Are there any nationalist group which promote ally with ireland
or scottland both in scottland and ireland?

There are cheltic people fan in japan too. like mathmatician,
fujiwara masahiko.
He loves their passion and naivety. They might lack cleverness
and strategy English have. But it even make irish or
scottish people look great...

>>147
Welsh people are less defiant, I guess.
Why?
I don't know about individual. But history and politics
show more submissiveness?

Being just outside of Boston, we have a gajillion Irish immigrants,
many of whom work in the construction trades.
We had a whole group of Irish plasterers at our
house, and they were speaking a language I couldn't understand.
"Cool!", I thought, "They're speaking Gaelic."
But a friend of mine who knows better told me that only a few people
in Ireland actually speak Gaelic, mostly people in university
language departments and super-nationalists.
That was English I was hearing.

>>149
I'm not so sure about that...I guess you haven't read "How
Green Was My Valley".

>>149
I'd say the Welsh are more defiant. They try to encourage the use of their
own language more than the Scots do, and unlike in Scotland, all signs are
required to be in both English and Welsh.
ttp://www.ukstudentlife.com/Britain/Countries/Wales/WelshSign.jpg

The northern Welsh are known for a certain amount of hostility towards the
English. Like in that clip from a TV show a couple threads back about the French,
some Welsh will also pretend they can't understand English and talk only in Gaelic.

>>148
I can't think of any single organisation which promotes both Irish AND Scottish
nationalism, but each country has plenty of its own nationalistic groups.

On another note, there is also quite a lot of competition between the North and
South of England itself. Southerners think of people from the North as somewhat backwards
and a bit barbaric, whereas people from the North often view Southerners as weak and
sometimes dishonest.

>>151
We've got that dynamic here too:
North vs. South (still)
Red states (the interior) vs. Blue states (the coasts)
Everyone vs. California...

Celtic Woman. They're so beautiful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-17NWRddUk

more Celtic singing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cffEaZGh0

We have a similar situation of rivality between Kanto(east) vs. Kansai(west).
However, the truth is the people in Kanto aren't really conscious of Kansai
while the others enormously are. I believe there will be some challenge to
this post. lol

>>152
We often notice that too. I don't think all those Civil War movies really
help much though...

>>153
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_45W-Lq7ftw
This is one of my favourite folk songs. Perhaps because it's quite a local one.

oops,
rivality->rivalry

>>156
I have always loved that song. But I only know the S & G
"borrowed" version.

I know Matsuura Aya did a cover version of it too, and have it right here,
but I'm trying to kind Otake Yuki's version, which is mostly translated, so
should be quite interesting. No luck so far though.

>>151
Oh, really? LOL
But they don't promote independence, do they?

Everyone vs. California
Buhahahaaha

>>160
They realise that their economy and development is better while they're still
part of the UK as a whole. While a lot of them don't like the English, they
will put up with us because they gain from it.


And on a separate note...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7xky1xU0QA
This movie looks interesting. There are a lot of Miike films I have, but there
are also some I refuse to touch. I guess it's hit or miss...

>>162
Is Scottish economy per capita bigger than Welsh one ?

I guess interests and property right of north sea oil would be big issue
between England and Scotland.
Norway is doing well by its wealth.

>>150
Were they just speaking thick accent English?
But it's still strange and interesting that
multiple generation irish people still speak English with gaelic? accents.

>>164
No, they were 1st generation, young guys who may one day
return to Ireland (or not). Many of them are illegals. They work
construction because they can get paid "under the table", meaning
there's no tax record.

>>162
Where's Clint? Quentin Tarantino just doesn't cut it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-17NWRddUk
This song got pretty famous here in japan since shizuka arakawa used the song
for her exhibition. I thought she was shrewd because music was so
beautiful and emotional that her performance would be seen like that.

I don't know cheltic women personally. Women of the group
have homely and tender attractiveness just like a heroine in Gibson movie had.

>>165
Wow,,, You still have "illegal" "white" irish new comers.....
Pretty confusing.
Irish economy must be better as a whole. At least, Irish economy is
better than British.

>>163
Oil is somewhat a concern, but North Sea oil production is somewhat in decline,
and new projects aren't really seen as very profitable. Current production is only
really seen as viable until (estimated) around 2020. Scotland's largest income is
from the service sector, such as banking.

As for economy as a whole, Scotland's per capita GDP is estimated at around £17,000,
whereas Wales' is only around £14,600. Welsh economy relies more on manufacturing
and agriculture.

>>115
there's something I always wanted to know. Why is it that American
artwork almost always seems to stand out from Japanese artwork?
Even when we try to imitate the Japanese manga style, something about
tends to seem a bit off, but I can't put my finger on it. I'm
beginning to think it's a cultural difference, as for many years, I've
observed this distinction between both professional artwork
as well as fan art. Does anyone know what it is?
After my personal observations, I'm beginning to think that it may be
because the Japanese tend to draw their base sketches with a lot of
straight lines and hatching (whether this trait is gained through
elementary art classes, I don't know)... however, that doesn't
explain how oekaki can capture the style as well as it does.

In any case, I'd love to hear from a native whatever they learned
about art (and how much of my guess is correct). The thing is, I'd
like to draw manga myself in my spare time, but I also want to
capture the Japanese style perfectly, without looking like another
obvious western imitator.

>Current production is only
really seen as viable until (estimated) around 2020.

What would Norway do? when the time comes. Whale fishing?

>>170
Ah, but they still do.

I guess when the time comes, they'll think about it then. Oil production
started its decline in around 1993.
As you say, their main export is oil and petrolium produce. Their next largest
exports are machinery, ships, electronics and chemicals. Oh, and fish.

I think vikings will invade britain again.

The noble bitish are gonna fight back! Right?

ttp://www.yorkfestivals.com/public/battle7004chrisjpeg.jpg
too late, they already have

OH NO!

Half a league, half a league,
Half a league onward,
All in the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.
"Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!" he said
Into the valley of Death
Rode the six hundred.

I like this poem written by Alfred Tennyson.

Cannon to right of them,
Cannon to left of them,
Cannon in front of them
Volley'd and thunder'd;
Storm'd at with shot and shell.
Boldly they rode and well,
Into the jaws of Death,
Into the mouth of hell
Rode the six hundred.

Samuel Taylor Coleridge, an Afro-British poet, is one of my favourites.
ttp://etext.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridge/poems/Rime_Ancient_Mariner.html
ttp://etext.virginia.edu/stc/Coleridge/poems/Kubla_Khan.html
The second one was written in an opium-dream, and was unfinished because
he was awoken by a delivery boy, apparently.

>>169
I don't know about hatching technique. Does Hatching mean many lines?
Just like this?
http://www7.big.or.jp/~sosan/hokuto/img/arusan03.png
As for this drawing style, I think the history of gekiga have big influence.
Gekiga was a challenge to typical manga. Gekiga was of more real drawing
style and serious story.
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%94%BB%E5%83%8F:Gekiga.JPG
The right is more gekiga. Hara tetsuo style is not actually a gekiga
style but we can say it is one terminal of gekiga.
I think araki hirohiko and akira miyashita was direct descendants
of hokutonoken style. Gekiga style or serious drawing style
are not popular these days.

http://www.bdselection.com/imagesbd/h/hunter_hunter/hunter_huntert18_1.jpg
This style is more popular. I think this style owes much to toriyama
akira. And I think toriyama akira was infuluenced greatly by american comic.

Teduka osamu learned from Disney. But still our style seems to be different
from american. I don't know what is the reason. http://images.encarta.msn.com/xrefmedia/sharemed/targets/images/pho/t041/T041270A.jpg
this tradition? LOL
And as for education, I think manga or anime have greater influence
than Art class.

I'm not a professionist or otaku. I just scribbled my impression.
And my answer may not be answering your question because I may not
have understood your question.

And then there's Blake:

When the voices of children are heard on the green
And whisp'rings are in the dale;
The days of my youth rise fresh in my mind,
And my face turns green and pale.

Then come home, my children, the sun is gone down,
And the dews of the night arise;
Your spring & your day are wasted in play,
And your winter and night in disguise.

I am a Japanese policeman. Nice o meet you. I want to be police in Honoruru.

>>178 You dislike Child?

>>179
Book 'em Danno!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvbIGDWQvCk

>>180
No, I like children. I have 2 of my own actually.
But I also like Blake's poetry. It's a little cynical I'll admit;
you should read him on the subject of marriage.

> I'm beginning to think it's a cultural difference, as for many years, I've
observed this distinction between both professional artwork
as well as fan art.

I've just missed this point. The problem gets more complicated and
hard to answer. Cultural tradition? I know this can not be an answer.

Koreans draw exactly the same as japanese manga.
And they didn't know candy candy or tetsuwan atom or mazinger z, etc
was japanese animation. If people were exposed to a specific culture,
people would be likely to be one of their culture. So If american got immersed in japanese culture,
they would draw exactly the same as japanese.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Madeleine_close2.jpg
She is cuuuute!

>>142
http://images.google.co.jp/images?sourceid=navclient&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLG_ja___JP225&q=Michelle%20Marsh%20&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
But you likes her. LOL
You higher class people stash porn magazines under your bed and
criticize porn. LOL

>>184
Ahh, but I prefer dark hair to blonde, and brown or green eyes to blue. And
she is a lot taller than I'm used to!

Maybe I'm just really picky.

Ass mania would love Shizuka Arakawa. LOL

>>185
I see. I see.
http://images.google.co.jp/images?sourceid=navclient&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLG_ja___JP225&q=lucy%20pinder&oe=UTF-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi
Here is your favorite and your Jerk Off Material!

>>187
And some people prefer 'cute' over 'sexy'. Me being one of them. But anyway,
I don't think this discussion is going in a very safe direction!

I see. You are one in the Kevin Strom ring.
http://www.dreamstarlets.com/lobby/main/videocaps2/bshields/pbaby/bspbb075.jpg

Nonono! I don't like children!

I like masuline men... You're a bit geekish - bookish, Igilisu jin... ughh

Yes, I do. I like half-naked american football player.

I like naked British rugby player

I enjoy watching shake of rikishi

American football uniform is the best gay uniform ever.

Guy wearing American football helmet and shoulder pads without clothes
looks really sexy.
I don't know why.

I want them to fold their arms. That's exactly the shot
I want.

>>169
Years ago, I happened to see a TV news about an international SuiBokuGa(水墨画) collection
where a lot of SuiBokuGa painted by people all over the world were collected.
I found a very distinct difference between those SuiBokuGa by Japanese and those by western
people. Japanese SuiBokuga "drawers" seemed to try to describe object with as few strokes as
possible while western "painters" do with as many touches as possible.
I thought that SuiBokuGa is a kind of writing for Japanese people while it is not case with western
people who consider SuiBokuGa as paintings.
Something equivalent might be said regarding the comics (manga) by Japanese and Americans.

>>195
American football gay? Never!
Here's proof. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ufwukWgKfI

Being gay is a sin.
So American footballers are sinners.

Everyone vs. California

Tell me more about that 米人

California is too progressive and anti conservative?

And I won'T forget to plrclaim Igot 200 proudly swinging my lil penis in the breeze where I can still send the trace of summer heat even well into the latter half of september.

http://jidaigeki-jin.cocolog-nifty.com/200701/shura1.jpg
>>197
In part I agree. ikegami ryoichi drawing style reminds me
of suibokuga or ukiyoe. They seem to draw with a few lines. First
They get rough image of composition in their minds, then draw at a stroke.

But how about this?　http://www.normasabadell.com/scan/berserk5.jpg
Bodies looks apart. it is meticulousy drawned. It doesn't look vivid.
it is static just like a picked up frame of film.

I prefer the former style. The latter style seems to
blur his poor skill with fineness. Yes he has his own punch though.

I think hara tetsuo is included in the latter category.

>>200
California is the trendsetter of our nation.
Surfer music, actors being elected to public office, McDonalds,
hula hoops, Walt Disney, hippies, that god-awful fusion cuisine,
Hollywood, the over-usage of the words "like" and "you know", BMX
bikes, the World of Warcraft, the non-word "pwn", are just some of
the features of American popular culture which had their start
in sunny California.
So when people complain about the Americanization of their culture,
what they actually dislike is the Californization of their culture.
California is mostly liberal (not Orange County though), so
you have all kinds of weird politically correct stuff going on
there. Like the move to teach "Ebonics" (so-called African-American
English) in the Oakland public schools.

That being said, California is a really awesome place, and you
should visit there if you ever get the chance.

i am neet and poor. no friends.
i am studing english. help me. i can help your japanese.
mail me. i am japanese male. 29years old.

Random Politics Time:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
So what do you guys think about Yasuo Fukuda?
He seems like a better guy than Aso, as far as I can tell, but I'm not that
familiar with Japanese politics. I like his idea to create a secular alternative
to Yasukuni Shrine, even if it means a major break with national tradition.

What do you think?

He is just extemporize, then worse interference will apppear,
then he concedes.
Repeat.

Bush and Thatcher planed a visit to yasukuni shrine.
But Japanese stopped. Japanese are strangling their own
neck. What a fool! LOL

>>203
Thanks for your explanation and observation.
Now I know what that means.

Red states (the interior) vs. Blue states (the coasts)

I wonder where these two colors come from?
Blue is the color of sea and red is the color of sand?
And how do mentalities of people in these two categorized states differ.
I wonder?

>>205
That's far from acceptable. Yasukuni is the sacred place for the bravery and honor
that the heroes made. It's the most appropriate place to offer a requiem prayer to the souls.
We would go wild again otherwise.

>>204
Are you really NEET?

For any English speakers on here who don't know NEET seems to be 和製英語. It means
"Not in Employment Education or Training" I think.... :)

But if you want I think it would be fun to have an Eメール友 :).

I think that red states are ones that usually vote for the republican party and blue states
are ones that usually vote for the democratic party :). I'm obviously not American though
so don't take my word for it :).

>>211
Thanks. You've got a point there. I remember US's both parties colors
and they sure are red (donkey is the symbol animal) republican
and blue democrat (elephant as fa as I remeber.)

So why lots of democrats are on coatal states and republican in
inland states?

>>198
It doesn't matter whether "he" is actually American foot ball
player or not.
Think about naked man with cow boy hat. Cow boy hat guy looks
sexier than merely naked guy. It's miracle!!!
http://www.gayporncards.com/cowboys.html

I couldn't find appropriate american football version.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/714HDTSD4ML._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.gif
He must take off his pants too!

I know there is pressure that man have to be like a man in USA. But if you really
really want to be like a man, be gay! It's contradictory but true.
Muscline gays holding each other in sweat!! There is nothing more manly
than this!!

>>212
I happened to watch a very interesting study introduced in a TV program about which states voted
for Kelly and which for Bush in the last poll for presidency in the US.
The study was introduced by Dave Specter, a Journalist staying in Japan.
He correlated the study with the average IQ of the people in each state.
The result was really striking!
All top 22 or 23 high IQ states ended up voting for Kelly while all bottom 22
or 23 low IQ state for Bush. There were a few middle range IQ states which
voted for either Kelly or Bush.
This actually suggests that Democrats are supported by smart people while
Republicans by fools.
One thing even more surprising about the study is that this sort of study is
allowed in the states.

>>212
Again I'm obviously not American so don't take this as fact. It probably has to do with
a lot of the big cities being in the coastal states / near the great lakes while a lot of the
inland states are much more rural... I suppose :P.

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/I/714HDTSD4ML._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-dp-500-arrow,TopRight,45,-64_OU01_AA240_SH20_.gif
What is more, He must wear helmet! It's not easy to be attarctive!

>>212

Almost, Donkey is the symbol of the Democratic Party (who's color is unofficially blue,
I don't know why). The right-wing Republican party has the elephant as
a symbol and an unofficial red color.

>>208 >>211 >>212
Red states and blue states come from the maps shown on the news
during presidential elections. The states in which the Democratic
candidate wins are colored blue; Republican are red.
People started talking in term of red and blue states after the
2004 election.
In general, the blue states are located on the coasts, and the
red states in the middle of the country (overlapping the "Bible
belt"). The blue states also tend to be wealthier than the red
states and more liberal in their views, so they favor the Democratic
Party. Fundamentalist Protestant religions, and conservative values
are more prevalent in the red states, which favor the Republican
Party.

I'm so tired, so it's off to bed for me. Ja mata.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ufwukWgKfI
Wow. He wears cowboy hat too!
I think cowboy fashion and american foot ball uniform are
the best gay fashion ever!! No wonder america is God's Own Country.
Nazi officer costume is good too though. BUt it is decadent!
American gay fashion is literrally gay!! LOL

>>209

So it HAS to be Yasukuni, right? No other place will do?
What's so special about Yasukuni? It was built by a defunct government anyway.
It's values no longer seem to coincide with today's values.

Where is the shrine for all the people who suffered against the Japanese?
Why is the Japanese shrine sacred and the other shrine non-existant?

Yasukuni is like Japan's last relic of state Shintoism, isn't it? I agree,
it's a terrific museum for anyone interested in the militarist mentality of the
war-time generation, but what about today?

You better ask american and others first. LOL

Arlington National Cemetery must be sacred for most of americans.
I don't wanna pay a visit to it though.
I don't wanna interfere with american internal affair either.
So leave them alone. leave us alone.

>>214
Very interesting !
Red states people are mostly devout Christians, right?
It's so natural they have low IQ scores,
because religisous people are taught to not think, but believe in whatever they are told

>>222

Fair enough. It's true it's rather hypocritical when countries started picking
Koizumi for his shrine visits etc.

But... even so, if visiting the shrine pisses off Japan's neighbors that much, it's
a serious problem for Japan.

It's so natural they have low IQ scores
/////////
It sounds insulting. I'm not american though.
It is also true that scientists with High IQ and high perfomance
happen to be devout christian.

>>223
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm

I found that the data linked from >>226 could be fake.
True data seems to be this, below
http://sq.4mg.com/IQpolitics.htm

>>223

There are plenty of intelligent conservative republicans too!
They're the most annoying.

But it's true that on average, the conservative voter-base is going to be
stupider than that of the left. The smart conservatives are wealthy and well-educated.
Their wealth is the only reason they would support policies that favor the wealthy and not the poor.

The stupid poor people who vote republican do so a lot of the time for religious reasons, like anti-gay
or anti-abortion, pro-gun rights, or pro family-values type government intervention, but otherwise minimal government interference
They like the "freedom" this gives them.

Also, urban areas tend to be more left-leaning than the rural areas from which the conservative right draws its voters.
The urban population, even the poor and stupid tend to favor the left because they know socialist-style govt benefits
are to their advantage. These people don't much care about "family-values" type issues.

http://sq.4mg.com/stateIQ-income.htm
Anyhow, the results of these study actually suggest something quite interesting,
though the striking result that linked from >>226 was not correct.

>>224
They are just taking advantage of japanese weakness. I think.
It was not political problem at all even after so called war criminals
enshrinement are known to Beijing. Japanese started first. It's match pump.
If we concede, things get worse, I think. And internal conflice will
emarge too.
Beijing should have more temperance. And they have lots to face now.
They are indirectly promoting massacare in Darfur(we rarely here this
news in japan).
They keep on occupying Tibet and destroying their religion, culture. This is happening right now.
Beijing wants to distract from today's problem and take it out on
japan.

Oh match pump was japanese engrish.

>>220 >>224
The history of Japan as a modern nation is not so long, as you might know.
But it's still the past that our present lives are built upon to a large extent,
no matter what political and ideological position you take today.
And it is also true that a lot of soldiers sacrificed their lives for the nation,
whether or not it was for the most appropriate reason. One war was over and
history was written by the winner, but they still deserve the least respect that
they were promised to back then. It's that simple.

>>231
Japanese loan word ポンプ is from Dutch "pomp."
There are a lot of Enlgish looking loan words in Japanese which are actually from Dutch or other
European languages such as Portuguese, Spanish, Italian and French.

I believe sex is most imortant in our life.
We should have rich sedes in our life.

I think the entire Yasukuni shrine issue is strange. Ordinary Japanese suffered
enormously in WWII. Many people died. Yet some of the people enshrined in Yasukuni
are the war criminals who are responsible for causing all that suffering! The militarists
generals .etc. who started the war. How many people died as a result of their militarism I
wonder. I'm not talking about just Chinese and Koreans but also Japanese people who
were killed in the resulting war because of these militarist generals who are worshipped
at Yasukuni shrine.

Anyway China and Korean over-react to it. I think it's because their governments like
to use the issue to stir up nationalism and support for themselves.

Hampshire
Massachusetts
Oregon
Wisconsin
These are small and less populated states, concentrated in the northern part
and more than 90% of the population is white.

They don't actually live in multiculturalism that Democrats promote.
LOL

>>235

But it's true that in Shintou it's only normal to enshrine criminals, since
crimes and misdeeds are basically meaningless after death, so it's only normal to have
EVERYONE good and bad, together in one shrine. Otherwise you might get "vengeful spirits"
and whatnot.

>>210
yes.real neet.come on.
and forein girls in kantou eara, come on. treat me some tea.

>>235
We can't blame them on all. We somewhat lived in democratic society.

Prime minister name changed dozen times not like one and only Hitler.
And so called war criminals(responsible for lose)
were just counted among killed soldiers. They are not treated special
at all. Yes It may be strange to count them because they are not killed
in battle field.

show volunteer spirits.
you rich people should help neet.
i live in manga-kissa for a year. no friens no money no job no sex.
workinr poor issue is big problem. so treat me to dinner.

>>240,

Well if you get a job, you can fix the money and food problems also.

So that's three problems fixed for the price of one.

>>240
本当に漫画喫茶に住んでるの？　うーーーむ。でも無駄に時間を
過ごさずに、英語の勉強とか有意義なことに費やしている
だんえ。フロッピーとかＵＳＢメモリー
で情報のバックアップはしているんだろうか？
右クリックでポップアップ→翻訳できるようにしてるかい？

I started to be ashamed of myself when I heard your hardship.
Yasukuni or christian right issue sounds absurd now...

thats actually two problems, right? food and money.
if you give me e-mail and treat me to dinner,
i could get friend and food, and if you were female and would have sex with me
i could get three problems solved. mail me.

if you were female and would have sex with me

sounds joke. I should not laugh?

get a life hak.

Gun issue seems absurd to me.
http://www.medaloffreedom.com/CharltonHeston2.jpg
But America has its own history and gun may be sprits of america..

>>243
Three problems:

Food
Money
Job

漫画喫茶は嘘だけどｗｗｗ
金が無い、おごってちょ

なんだよ。満喫って仮定が外れただけで、大分笑えるようになった
じゃねえかｗ

>>247
ok.
かんちがいした

１０００円ください。リッチな人

>>246

It seems absurd to me too (I'm an American who lives close to New York).

But if you lived out in the middle of no where miles away from any police protection,
it might not seem to absurd. Americans, especially the intrepid, Colorado-types, are
used to doing things themselves, and that includes protecting themselves with the best
means possible. So it's a funny kind of situation when you have two worlds with different
ideologies: urban socialism and rural libertarian self-governance.

Have you ever met militia?

>>250, so you're basically begging on 2ch?

Don't you need to give some kind of link to a pay-pal service for that to work?

It's strange that some americans are now fighting in real war..
Japanese have to support them via logistic support...
But war seems unrealistic... But happenning now.
And some americans are enjoying porn video not caring about death of
their soldiers. very strange..

But Americans face war problem more seriously for better or worse.

メール来ねぇぇｗｗｗ
おまいらも貧乏人なんだろうなｗ
２ｃｈに相談したのが間違いだったようだ。

というかなんかの詐欺じゃないのか？おまえ、来たヤツからカツアゲする
つもりだったんだろ？　それともレイプもか？　ヤンキーにしちゃ英語できるけどなｗ

>>254

Well, they call it a war, but is it really?


It's more like one big, very expensive military police operation.

Don't you think? If it were really a war, there'd be a very different attitude
about it all. As it is, the sectarian violence in Iraq doesn't really compare
to the violence like in the Vietnam War... yet.

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

When it comes crashing down, and it hurts inside,
ya' gotta take a stand, it don't help to hide,
Well, you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

I feel strong about right and wrong,
And I don't take trouble for very long,
I got something deep inside of me, and courage is the thing that keeps us free,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

Well you hurt my friends, and you hurt my pride,
I gotta be a man; I can't let it slide,
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!
I am a real American, Fight for the rights of every man,
I am a real American, fight for what's right, fight for your life!

>>257
Yes but thousands of people were killed. You must feel somewhat
near to war, hearing somebody you knew went to Iraq like that.
Most of japane don't feel war.

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/wwetheanthology/realamerican.htm
It can be used for Reagan and Bush theme song too.

>>259

Technically, I'd say the "war" ended with the invasion
and now we're in an occupation. There certainly is a huge military presence in Iraq and Afghanistan
and in the Persian Gulf. But does this make it a war?

A big counter-insurgency war I guess, handled rather badly, I'd say.

But it is proving to be a very hazardous occupation, with a civil war for the
Iraqis brewing. I guess we'll see if it bursts into a full-fledged war or not pretty
soon. As it is, it's a pretty ordinary occupation, defending a puppet government from
insurgents, (maybe a bit like Japan in Manchuko, lol) except every week or so one of
our jeeps rolls over a bomb and explodes.

People(including USA) who belive in one God sometimes
get silly and somtimes exercise great power.

Technologically muslims are far below USA.
But their morale is higher than him.
That is probably why USA is very afraid of muslims.
USA is trying to find more efficient way to
kill more people with no injury.

>>262
The US has very efficient ways of killing a lot of people. That's not what the problem is.
The problem is only killing the people who are going to attack you when they're
surrounded by innocent bystanders.

I'm >>212. Thank you all for detailed explanation about republican states
and democrat states.

豪州人, I'm impressed by your knowledge about US politics.
I'm Japanese but I have lot to learn about foreign countries' politics,
which I'm not willing to learn.

米人, I know the map color coded often seen after US presidential election
thnaks for your explanation.

other anonymous seems-to-be Americans who answered my question, thanks!

>>255
If you want, I'll register some porn sites with your e-mail address.

>>242

I don't get it do you want somebody to translate your post into English?

>>266
I'm neither 242 nor 240, but I guess the reason why 242 write both
in Japanese and English is either 242 thought it' would be easier for
240 to understand in Japanese or 242 just bothered to write his posts
all in English.

Anyway, he is not asking for translation.

X or 242 just bothered to write his posts all in English.
O or 242 just felt bothered to write his posts all in English so
he decided to write in Englihs only latter part of his post .

>>218 was very informative.
I thought that blue states's blue came from blue collar and
red states's red came from red collar or red neck..??. on careful consideration,
I was wrong. There was no word as red collar and red neck didn't correspond to blue collar.
I was confused.
And it's still an interesting coincidence that many blue states are actually blue
collar states and many red states are known for red-neck.

>>267

Yeah but the English part and the Japanese part are totally different :P.

I couldn't tell if when >>242 said "...翻訳できる...." they were just asking 240 if
they were able to translate the bit before. Or if he actually wanted it
translated :P.

>>269
I don't think there's any term "red collar." Generally there's white collar and blue collar :).

Ohhh,,, more mistake. Democratic bastions must be white (collar) states
to be in line with my observation...
I think image of (red) states was too strong. I got confused..

Red states.... That would imply that they're all communists ;)

http://minitanga.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!862B2F0E3AA42346!2972.entry
hahaha

I like miss march the best!

>>265
no thank you. give me real girl.

>>274
Looney tune, just looking at that picture made my hands break out in sweat and my fingers start tingle.

The question exists on a different plane, or in a different
dimension, beyond the zones where evidence can reach. An
example might be that philosophical chestnut, the question whether
you see red as I do.

what r u up to old man?

Your powers are weak, old man!

If you strike me down Darth, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly
imagine.

:O
Holy shit!
Our Defence Force is phasing out their leopard tanks,
so they're selling them!
Quick 2ch, we need to raise money and get one! We can equip it
with a beam cannon and man it with lolis and hermaphrodites.

Really? Our Defence Force is phasing out leopard tanks??
That's just silly!!
What would we do if the US should invade us in retaliation of the Iraq war!!

I don't think so.

Shut up, you died a long time ago,
In a galaxy far, far away

>>270
no no
翻訳できるようにしてるかい？　is about the guys setting.
rought tralsnlatioin is "Do you set the settings so that it translates english by right click → 翻訳? "

no intention of asking anybody to translate anything.

So, how are you?

>>286 Ah lol I get it. I still don't understand why they said it, it seems like it had nothing at
all to do with the post they were responding to. They just suddenly started talking about
backups and stuff :s.

That's a mystery to me also.
I don't think anybody could understand the guys intention other than the guy himself.
Maybe the guy worried about the 漫画喫茶guy's situation, therefore wanted to make sure backups were properly done. ＾＾；

Either way I learnt a new use of よう :) So I'm happy "_"

Damn living in a manga kisa must suck. How much did/do you pay a night? There are some youth hostels in the major cities that charge 1900 yen a night. That might be more comfortable. You can also save money on food by cooking with people there.

Being poor sucks, but if you do it right you can live and still have some money left over for a zasshu.

Jesus, it's like a new breed of hobo, only in Japan.
I hope you use the shower facilities, you stinky bastard.

The guy actually said that was a lie to solicit pity.
You guys should read carefully the whole stuff, which is not reccomended in 2ch, so it's OK for you guys to make an asumptioni that the thing he said at that post was ... nagaina

Yeah, I replied too soon, should have read the whole thread. lots of sagi yarou on 2ch ;)

Is it manga kissa?
I thought it was Internet cafes that poor people live.
To me, manga kissa is a place where you can't stay overnight.
I'm old. I'm not up to dated on these issues.
Maybe the manga kissa and the internet cafe have been somewhat integrated in some way or the other.

Mangakisa and internet cafes are the same thing. I've never been in an internet cafe that wasn't a manga kisa.

There are some that aren't 24 hours, but most of the modern ones are all open 24/7.

You should check them out, cheap food, free drinks, showers, not to mention manga and internet. Not a bad deal in Japan these days.

Hooray for Australia!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6997316.stm

Indeed, we have our priorities straight.
It will help boost your recriutment numbers if you did the same,
Japan.

>>298
Makes me proud to be Aussie :D. Of course the opposition party will act all upset about it
cause we have an election coming up but meh.

In reality though, I hate boob jobs, because you can tell that
they're fake. God doesn't give such nice breasts to such ugly
women.

It's not fair.
What about the male soldiers?
Enlargen them too.

That doesn't change the coolness of the navy paying for them :p I agree though bob jobs
are ugly.

The reason why they got them is because they feel lonely and
forgotten. All the seamen are gay, after all, like in the village
people video clip.

It's so hard to believe

It's a close one...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJrIF7pHyO0
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1147420rxHk3mdW?searchId=6131520356645240177&rank=0

Is there a person who can speak with me?
I can't sleep...

hello :)

Hi

>>308
Hi!
What are you doing?

I'm supposed to sleep now, but I can't sleep...
Please tell me how to sleep...

Maybe you should take some alcohole.

>>312
I'm teenager yet...

>>313
Don't you have school today?

Today is holiday

>>315
I'm sorry I really didn't know what day today is because I've almost been at home since summer vacation started last month.
At first, I thought you must be joking w

>>316
Yes, today is a Japanese national holiday.
They call it "Keirou's day".

>>306
Not all of them are actually gay. Negro man becomes criminal as usual though.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=aKoErg2vSm8
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=NaH2AgUrdHA
>>306
I am giving you information wishing you would be English Dave Spector
someday.

>>316
Know that feeling. Went for most of today thinking it was Saturday.

>>318
The English language connotations on the link for the Maritime Self-Defence
Force song is pretty gay too.

>>319
Thank you! Was looking for that Pink Lady song earlier!
http://www.yourproduceman.com/images/pink_lady_apple.jpg
'Pink Lady' apples are my second favourite. They're not quite as good tasting
as Empire ones, but they are still very nice.

I don't really like Dave Spector much. He seems to try and exaggerate the fact
that he is a foreigner too much. And his facial expressions hardly ever seem
to change.

>>288
I got worried about 240's situation
And also I got ashamed of my idle days.

It's very inconvenient to study in tiny narrow space. And PC is not his own
property. I wanted to confirm if he was backing up data
by floppy disk or USB memory.
Right click translation is quick and convninent.
so I try to recommend this way too.

The reason I used japanese was that 240 is japanese.
Japanese is easy to convey and understand for both of us.

Data, for example, data of words and grammar.

>>320
Ditto about Dave Spector.
Please tell him that if you get a chance to see him, because he
wouldn't listen even if a Japanese said the same thing.

>>306
I don't want to believe イギリス人san likes this kind of homo music. ＞＜

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v1147420rxHk3mdW?searchId=6131520356645240177&rank=0

>>321
Sorry 321 I didn't want to sound rude about you using Japanese. I was just confused
about why you were talking about backups and right clicking :) But that makes sense.
It didn't even occur to me that he'd have to worry about how to keep his data.

I am NEET.

>>326
Oh, really?
You have to study or work!
Why are you watching here!

タイのショタコン向けアイドルグループ・T-ZONE動画まとめ。

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=_sw5lFk0Xkw
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=9MRoOVT9S8Q
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=oCpbz0uXkeo
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=jXebFC9zBgg
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Na8oOuStVXk
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=YiQ3pfLycJo

だな〜　タイ羨ましすぎ！！流石タイ！イイ！

いつかタイ少年とやりたいなぁ。

So delicious this apple pie.

合ってるか不安

apple pie?

Chocolate rain~~~

迷惑メールがきたぞ
俺みたいな弱者に意地悪するんじゃなくて
リッチな奴にやるんだ
俺はもう十分底辺なんだからイジメルな

>>328

Oh, whaddaya know, the Shoutacon back.

o.o

...So I'm think I'm addicted to the Lucky Star Character Song CD's.

Something may be wrong with me, I've been listening to them again and again.

>>335
Those are just... odd. :(

Yeah, you might need to seek help.

seek help?..
.. what kind of help do you suggest??

>>337 I think he means I should seek a psychiatrist's help because I can't get
the Hiiragi sisters' voices out of my head.

>>338
That would be the general gist of what I'm saying, yeah.

Lucky Star is strange enough as is... but to have the songs stuck
in your head? God help you.

why do you presume the help ether refered you to was "psychiatrist's help"?
can't there be other possibilities?? like Jesus Christ??

>>340
Well, in all due respect, he was correct. It's a relatively common
phrase or saying. When someone tells you "you need help", more often
than not they mean mental help (which usually infers the need of
a psychiatrist).

♪ Moshi, Moshi, Watashi!... sista, sista, sista wars...♪

Fuck you bitch

like this pun:
http://i.pbase.com/o4/89/475089/1/65339537.9Pf3F8Hf.LassieGetHelp.jpg

Common presumptions aside, why do you need "psychiatrist's help" when Jesus can solve every possible problem you could have?

>>344
I don't understand what is this about.
Would you explain it please?

>>345 sure he can change my water into wine,
But can he change my wine back into water?
If it weren't for that random well back in Hebron we would have been done for.

Also, he can't protect me from crucifixion and Roman persecution, and he is
easily destroyed by a spear. (>_<) I can't believe I followed that guy around in
the desert, worst rabbi ever!

>>347
I don't understand who you are.
But , if you need water, I think you can get it at some store near you.
And also. if you fear crucification guys and Roman persecution guys, you can go to the police and seek protection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l457Eg33qJ4

Lassie is a dog from a classic 60's Television show. Lassie is some very smart dog
that would always save the little boy "Timmy" every time he fell down the well.

So when the kid falls down the well, he'd say "Lassie get help!" and run off to bark at
the others to go save the kid.

But in the cartoon, instead of getting help for the kid, he goes and seeks "psychiatric help"

The kid falls down the well in every episode?
The well must have a lot of water in it to break the fall.
The kid must be the dumbest kid around to not learn how to avoid the well.

♪ Dare, dare, dare , dare ka... nande... nande... kamisama.... ♪

>>350 I'm not sure, you'd have to watch the show, I've actually never watched,
it even though I'm American, the show isn't really from my generation, but I know
the "Lassie, get help!" reference.

I'm really tired, I should go to bed, but I'm too lazy to get up from my chair
and get undressed and try to fall asleep. It's a lot of work you know?

>>352
Thank you very much for your very kind explanation.
I'm glad to know "Lassie, get help" reference.
I think there is a Lassie movie recently made from the TV show so I'll serarch for it and download it.

Is that the sausage song?

Geez, OJ Simpson again.....
From a football player, an actor to a criminal.
What a busy life.

>>324
It's not really my thing, but someone mentioned it earlier, so I posted it!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8mIQtrumqA (ignore the image)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XDcC9bnRciQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=40pHIYeia6s
And guess I have to include an English group...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QlkVK0ZVkkw

Still waiting for my new keyboard. This one is broken, and so is my mouse.

Do you use Japanese Kaomoji likes (；´∀｀) in the letter?

>>5
That image is so cute! ^-^

>>58
http://www.forfoxsake.com/images/muppet_animal.jpg
Animal. :-D He's awesome.

>>89
Welcome back! Amusing story indeed.

>>169
If it helps, there isn't _a_ japanese manga style. There are some stereotype styles,
and some less stereotype styles. Some of the styles are pretty inorganic, others
fragile, simplified and delicate. I think you sort of need to grok the culture to
"capture" "the Japanese style perfectly".
Also, if you're good at anatomy you have an advantage when it comes to drawing stylized
version of various beings.
BTW, I'm not claiming I'm Japanese or anything, just commenting on your post anyway.

>>172
Nahhh :-D

>>173
The brits were lousier at personal hygiene than the vikings. Which
is why the vikings were somewhat popular with the british ladies.

>>234
That's a very sad outlook on life, regardless if you mean the pleasure
kind of sex, or the spawning off kind of sex.

>>324
There's nothing wrong with Village People :-D Except for the fact that
the members were unable to stay out of trouble. -_-;;

>>352
Heh.. I'm not American and even I've seen a bunch of Lassie eps. Mmm, reruns.
And Flipper (two or so different series). And Skipper. Skipper and Flipper
were my favs :-D No Benji though, except for one movie that sort of sucked
after reading so many fans of that dog babble about him.

>>350
He doesn't fall into the well in every episode, however adventures happen and
Lassie has to assist.

>>357
A friend of mine lamented the lack of engagement rings made out of Dragonforce.
Silly 4chan memes. Both he and his girlfriend are /b/tards. The sorta scary
kind of /b/tards.

C-c-c-combo breaker

>>360,361
Skippy the Bush Kangaroo? First came across that while living in Germany. Kind
of missed out on a lot of these shows during my childhood in Singapore and
Ethiopia.

Ahh yes. "Dragonforce. The hardest metal known to man."

>>358
We don't really use them very often. A lot of the symbols are not included in
our common Western fonts, so it makes it harder to think of something creative.
This is why most westerners stick with boring emotes such as ':)'.

(* ´∀`) ﾉｼ

>>363
You didn't really miss much. Besides, you've more gotten familiar with
other TV-series that's more local to those regions, no?

I'm off, see you all later ^-^

Tiger Woods will be another O.J Simpson?
Tiger is scary when he is in concertration and a fit of anger.

>>345
Are you Tom Cruize?

>>347
Are you Sacha Cohen?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=w8mIQtrumqA (ignore the image)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=XDcC9bnRciQ
http://youtube.com/watch?v=40pHIYeia6s
And guess I have to include an English group...
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QlkVK0ZVkkw

What do they have to do with gay?

Nothing. That's what he meant I guess.

Exactly. Just some of the stuff I listen to.

? It's unexpected that you should accept metal music.
Do you like metal music reminiscent of ancient germanic or cheltic era?
It's my guess. I don't know at all about them.

They are associated with black and Demoniac metal.
I think black metal admires paganism, pre greco-roman era.
Theya are closely related to anti-christianizm
and neo-nazism. Do you support such a antisocial movement?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_metal#Mayhem_controversy
full of stories of Murder, suicide, drugs,, LOL

There are all sorts of genres associated with metal, though. Only a few of
them are based around anarchy, murder, chaos, etc.

This is the general type associated with the ones posted:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_metal

And on another topic, there's a man on the street outside whistling
theme songs to WW1 and WW2 movies.

>And on another topic, there's a man on the street outside whistling
theme songs to WW1 and WW2 movies.

What does it mean? You often see people whistling theme songs on the street
or you happen to see a people whistlening theme songs now.

>>375
I mean this man is *only* whistling tunes from old war movies. It's just
sort of strange. He's been doing it for a few hours now.
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6876/whistlingmanxq8.jpg

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6876/whistlingmanxq8.jpg
Is he famous in the uk now?

Or did you secretly take this photo?

Theme song from The Bridge on the River Kwai?
Humiliated by japanese? LOL
You feel humiliated cos you feel superior to japanese.
You don't have to travel and settle in areas of indians and asians and afiricans:
half apes and apes and gorillas.

He's just outside and not really moving much from there, so it was easy
to take the photo.

>>379
LOL. You really did! Do you know him in person?

bricks are dumb.

>>380
I have no idea who he is. But they have been doing construction work there for
about three weeks now. Sometimes they dump large stones in the truck which is
very loud and annoying, so I guess taking a picture is a sort of revenge.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=iiM5NUOKcSg
Is this what he is whistling?

I can't cite the song title. But you have another marching song
which agrees with whistling? I think it was used in a war
movies as well. I often hear it in soccer game.
As long as I remember dutch used in internationlal match.
Do you know the music title?

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/6876/whistlingmanxq8.jpg
Don't insult working class people!

Sonata Arctica! X-japan fans overreacted to their tribute play to
X-japan. Fans points out how X is popular in the west,
influential to western rock.
But Sonata Arctica just try to amuse japanse and pay a little respect to
japanese. LOL

>>383
Haha, you got it! That's the tune he's been whistling the most. It's known
as 'Colonel Bogey's March', and was composed in 1914. However, it is more
popularly known as a football chant and is more known as 'Hitler Has Only
Got One Ball', sung to those lyrics.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=WzHbHxSEtVQ
I've never seen x-japan pv thoroughly.
I once thought toshi and yoshiki were equal. it's was wrong.

I can see in the video that yoshiki was tring to be more standing out than
than his vocalist. How arrogant and selfish man! Just a drummer
behaves too flaymboyantly on off stage.
Yoshiki should learn modesty from van halen brothers. Dave lee first.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Jih_PdOcuE4
In this video toshi is more visible than queer drummer.
Look at toshi's hair. LOL

>>386
I'm suggesting another music which I can't cite the name of.

>>386
イギリス人さんへ、
If you keep ignoring my post >>140 any further, I have absolutely no
choice but to start crying. Do you hear me? I'm saying that I'm gonna
weep like a little girl. You don't want that to happen, do you?
Thank you. (Say just NO if you don't want to. That's perfectly OK.)

>>389
I'm sorry, please don't cry! However, I tried to answer your post in >>142.

>>388
Hmm... quite a few war tunes have been turned into football songs. Just investigating
a few right now.

イギリス人さん、
I am totally sorry. I simply didn't notice. What a fool I am.
And, thank you.

>>386
Do english restrain themselves from using this chant against germany?
Whatever oppenents, it is an insult to germany, I guess.
Eventhough german is not a german at that time. They have to remember
Mr.Adolf and feel burdened to separate themselves from it everytime
they hear the song.
And Soccer has nothing to do with old war.

Any way I was relieved to hear that chant doesn't have connotation of japan.
because movie image is so big!

I want to fly.

Hello everybody!
There are tree guys at our house today. They are taking down a big old
rotten pine tree, which is threatening our neighbor's house. It's pretty
interesting--there's one guy who has climbed way up high into the tree
with a chainsaw and he is cutting pieces out of it.

>>394
Do you have a tire swing in your yard?
I used to have one when I lived in New Jersey when I was a kid.

>>392
I think a lot of British people actually try *not to* restrain themselves
when playing Germany. For some reason, the British (mainly the lower and
upper classes - not so much the middle) try to remind Germany who lost
the war during sporting events. It's realy petty.

This is probably why that certain episode of Fawlty Towers is one of
the most well known episode of any series over here.
http://stage6.divx.com/Fawlty-Towers/video/1278669/Fawlty-Towers---S01E06---The-Germans

>>395
No, but we have an amazing tree house that my husband designed
and built for my son. We have mostly pine trees with no low hanging
branches, so we can't hang a swing from the trees (there's one under
the tree house).

This is an incredible sight. The guy up in the tree (about 65 ft.
off the ground) leaves his chain saw running, hanging from a rope
on his belt. He attaches a strap with a metal ring to a long rope
which is held on the ground by 3 or 4 other guys. Then he cuts through
the trunk, and the piece of tree slides down the rope and lands
right near the woodchipper, where they grind it up.

>>397 Wow, a few trees fell on our yard in New England, but they weren't
that big, usually they'd stack the logs for us afterwards so we could use it
as firewood.

>>397
In Japan, we often serve the gardeners Japanese tea with some
traditional sweats like manju/まんじゅう or salties like
senbei/せんべい or okaki/おかき. Are you serving them something?

>>399 senbei are the most addictive food in the world.

I can' stop eating them once I've started.

The Japanese are evil people for inventing rice crackers.

*not to* restrain themselves

LOL >>396 Do they actually chant the word of Hitler?

>>402
At any opportunity!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_has_only_got_one_ball

I just before learned on the program called moring bell
that cracker means sexy woman as well.

He taught. http://asacolin.sblo.jp/ Don' you think he looks
like gay. And he looks like russian, not half japanese.
Can you recognize he is half asian?

hunky and effeminate gay! perfect!!

A "cracker" is also a racial slur referring to a white person.

>>399
Yes, we serve laborers with cool drinks when it's hot.
regardless of in or outside the house.

IT's a implicit understanding. They won't complain if not served.
But It might affect their job.

>>407
So basically, you're a prick if you don't give them something to drink.

It's like not tipping a waiter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNR1Ui0rvtM
Do you know this song "lola lola"? I happened to know this song was ranked 2
in canada chart. This song was released almost more than 30 years ago in japan.
So you may be not born at the release in canada.

>>408
You just insulted most people on this board...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnRDcCRmULQ
This one is better. original version.

>>410
How so? I was talking about what happens here in Canada and (I'm assuming) most of the West. I don't know how things work in Japan.

>>409
It's way before my time... 24 years before my time, actually :P. But I've heard it. Good song.

I don't want you foreighners to see the part right after hideki's part.
It's embarrassing. LOL

On another note, a woman on the left of momoe is lesbian...

>>412
You've heard it. thank you. I can speculate how popular
it is from your experience.
24 years before my time.... How old are you? LOL

>>414
14 years, I meant... Haha, I'm not 6. lol

Also, the version I heard was very different. I'm not sure if the one you posted is the Japanese version or not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMsnqQHOwFg

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%82%B7%E3%81%A0%E3%82%89%E3%81%91%E3%81%AE%E3%83%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%A9
I don't know about canada version.
According to wikidepia, Lola was released in frence too.

>>416
Interesting. Either way, they all sound good.

Oh, and that reminds me. Have you heard of the band "Monkey Majik"? I heard that they are fairly popular in Japan, and it's members are Canadian and Japanese.

I may have seen them on tv one or two times. I'm not the one who
often see music program. so this is not a general japanese impression.

An image of original monkey magic by godaigo is
too strong for me. I personally don't know much about them.

Monkey Majik was coupled with remake of 西遊記 saiyuuki.
They made so so sucucces in japanese chart before saiyuuki.
But saiyuuki made them more familiar to common tv viewers I guess.

Some people may mistakeingly coufound them with tv project.

>>418
Ah, I see. Thank you very much for the information.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDBdMnkcx0E
Do you know Flower Travellin' Band?
They seems to have made a success in canada chart too.

Producer of the band was this 'genius' LOL
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLp1IUEkik

I suspect he was not playing a great role in their music aspect.
He just determined their fashion, english lyrics like that.

His old standbys are always another people's song like johnny be good and
comiczassi nante iranai. his voice is weak too.

By the way, yuya uchida is younger than カナダ人.

>>420
I've never heard of the Flower Travellin' Band, but I like what I hear.

But their producer is... interesting. lol.

And who is Yuya Uchida?

>>420
01:05 「To the gays on your doorstep」

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuya_Uchida
Yuya uchida is what you saw.
He is a rockin'roller(ロッケンローラー) and movie director.

>>423
And an actor, right? I seem to remember him in 'Izo' and 'Merry Christmas
Mr Lawrence'. And some movie with Michael Douglas.

>>423
Oh, okay. Well, if that's the case, he's actually much older than me. I'm 16, he's 68.

I see he appeared in a Ridley Scott movie... Interesting!

He was born in 1999. Yes he is an actor too.
He stared in his two movies.

some movie with Michael Douglas
I think this movie was directed by english director.
I remeber. Black Rain by Ridley Scotts.

>>426
"Yuya Uchida (内田裕也 UCHIDA Yūya, born November 17, 1939.)"

It says he was born in 1939... Now I'm all confused. Lol.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=3BLp1IUEkik
You have to carefully listen to what he is saying in the video.

>>428
Yuyo Uchida was also confusing...

>>429
Oh, it's from that video...

Haha, wow... Sorry about that. I hadn't watched the entire video, only skimmed it... I feel very stupid right now.

Still though, 1999... Hard to believe he got his own birth-date wrong.

His English is that good.

>>432
Yeah... But aside from that, his English is actually pretty decent.

Still, he's pretty... odd.

his English is actually pretty decent.

Really?

>>434
Yes. It's flawed, but it's good enough for a native like me to understand everything he's saying...

But it's still not as good as it could be.

Mr Uchida is never to be fooled with.
He's gonna just rocknroll your fuckin ass.
Yoroshiku!!!

>>436
I meant Mr. Uchida no disrespect.

As an apology I will gladly allow him to rocknroll my ass.

This is an incredible sight. The guy up in the tree (about 65 ft.
off the ground) leaves his chain saw running, hanging from a rope
on his belt. He attaches a strap with a metal ring to a long rope
which is held on the ground by 3 or 4 other guys. Then he cuts through
the trunk, and the piece of tree slides down the rope and lands
right near the woodchipper, where they grind it up.
---------------------------
I can't get the picture of the scene. Can someone explain in more
easy English or give me an example by picutre?

>>438
It's a very odd description. But I think I understand.

A man is in a tree. He has his chain saw on, which is hanging from a rope tied to his belt.
He basically attaches a rope to the tree using a metal ring, and the other end of the rope is being held by 3 or four others. The others are on the ground.
He uses his chainsaw to cut down a section of the tree, and the other guys pull the rope, sending it falling in the direction that they pull it.
It lands near a woodchipper.

I hope this helps.

>>439
Or, in very basic terms: A guy is cutting down a section of a tree. A rope is attached to the tree, and three or four others pull it down near the woodchipper after it is cut with the chain saw.

Here's something kind of similar. http://www.alicante-spain.com/images/palm-trees-5.jpg

I am busy and no time to read all the posts
but >>240 caught my eye. Is he really living in a
manga kissa? I doubt so. At least, he speaks
English. I can't imagine English speaking NEET
living in Manga kissa...but his life must be miserable.
so am I. I am also at the bottom, so I understand
his desperate feeling. Please don't hurt the person
like him. just be kind to him. give him some food and drink
and after you give him salvation, leave him alone.

>>441
I'm sorry you're in such a desperate situation. Try and cheer up.

I gtg. don't drive the person like him, me
up the wall. we are already so at the absolute edge,
there is nowhere to go that's why we come here
and try to say something to relax our feeling. if you
bully him, me even more, there is nowhere to go.
leave us alone please.

>>439
If they pull the rope, would the man in a tree fall too?
And i wonder why the man had to cut down trunk or branches
to take down tree.
>cut down a section of the tree
What does it mean? Scraping?

http://www.alicante-spain.com/images/palm-trees-5.jpg
in the picture a man seem to be scraping a tree.

>>444
No, not scraping... I think the man wanted to cut down just a top portion of the tree, or a high branch. So he had to climb up high, with his chainsaw attached to his belt, so his hands would be free.
And the rope is attached to the section of the tree that they want to cut down. So it would fall only after the man cut it with his chainsaw. They would pull on the rope as he cut, so it would fall towards them.
And I think the man would be on a lower part of the tree, so he wouldn't fall.

I think this is much more similar to your description.

http://www.jimwcoleman.com/photoblog/070806%20keith%20gates%20up%20a%20tree.jpg

All it's missing is the 4 guys pulling on a rope.

I imagined that they take all tree down.
cut? Did a man make cut line so that
they can take down a tree above cut line?

>>446
Can omniscient God, who
Knows the future, find
The omnipotence to
Change His future mind?

>>447 Time is a human invention, so the omniscient God would have complete
awareness of his present self, which is all the selves he would need. Omniscient God
is always changing his mind isn't he?

But then since all aspects of his mind are present in the immediate, they're not really
changing are they?

You don't know what you're talking about, do you? lol

Neither do I.

>>357
Dragonforce has nice twin guitars and melodious vocal.
I like some Judas Priest, even though the vocalist is actually gay. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAagedeKdcQ

[Danger! Anime Discussion:]
--------------------------

So, what do you guys think of the last episode of Lucky Star?
I just saw it now, and well.... meh. It's not their best I think. Feels like
they had to rush the ending don't you? Pity, they could have come up with something
better for that routine I think... like maybe a new song/routine...
Seems like they really drew a blank for this episode. Shiraishi's phone gag could have worked,
but why did they all have to burst into laughing like that? It didn't feel in-character
or in keeping with the series' humor.

are there any neet girls here?
lets go to AKihabara, and study english and japanese and otaku culture together.
i am bored. neet are losers, but have the right to have some fun.

yes, tehre are some neat girls here.

>>454
Mind me asking how old, your three-size and possibly who you look like?
I might have to terminate you depending on your answer.

YOU IS FOOL

I ARE SERIOUS

>>454
hello
neat girls are ok too. and im still looking for neet girls.

Oooooooooops! i mistook...
tehre X
there

i love pokemon
pikatyu is cute

>>460
pikatyu? or pikachu lol

hi
im neet girl, too.

>>462
I don't think you are. you must be a
freaky gaijin.

She's probably telling the truth. But she's probably 900kilos of freaky
gaijin too.

hi from virginia, anyone there?

I knew a girl once.

Hello, how are you?

Lonely. Please keep a company with me tonight!

How do you keep a company?

>>469
181000円 for limited liable company fee

one day company operation? then bankrupt? lol

I am prince in Nigeria!

I am Afghan Warlord. I will kill my terrorists if you pay me enough, and give
me some of those javelin anti-tank missiles. Those terrorists have nasty big tanks,
you know.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAagedeKdcQ
Typical anti-christianity, anti-social, demonic, destructive band.

I want to know how many percents of listeners in the west take this kind of band
seriously. Take what they sing as it is.
I know an american boy shot himself and nearly died listening to their music.
the boy and friend were obseesed with their anti-christ lyrics and
they were feeling guily of it as well...

I bet イギリス人 abhors this kind of band.

hard rock doesn't match my otaku taste.
And I can't understand them fully cos I'm japanese.
But I have to admit they have some power to let off steam. evil but
cool...

It can be possiby said that foreigners who never listen to bands like Judas Priest
take them seriously, in a word , hate them.

In japan most of people don't know or care about demonic metal bands.
So a small minority enthusiastically love them and the rest of japanese
don't care much or know about them.
I suppose most of metal band mania in Japan
don't pay attention to the lyrics.

I'm not really a metal fan myself, but I knew a few. In the west, metal isn't
mainstream, so the people who like it are usually fans of that particular "subculture"
It's closely related to the "emo" and "goth" type subcultures. In a high school, you can usually
tell who are the guys who listen to the death metal, because they where black and have screwy hair
and wear band shirts and stuff. Oddly enough, these guys are usually also big nerds and like playing
Dungeons & Dragons, or Magic the Gathering, and like reading manga and watching anime. So there's a strange
overlap between subcultures here in America at least.

I don't think they take it too seriously, they like to listen to it because it
is transgressive, and against the mainstream establishment of music, which they don't
feel comfortable in, so it's normal that these fans would also be nerds and otaku,
they try to interest themselves in the stuff no one else cares about.

I learned that students who orefer wearing in all black is considered to be
dangerous, have the potential to gun shooting in the west.

>>475
What kind of music bullies or bad boys prefer?

I'm not saying metal fans in japan is yanky-bad boys.
They are more nerd than yanky. But I suppose they don't
care much about lyrics.

No, that's just a stereotype, I think the guys who wear black are really just
the otaku of the west. I guess if Japan was going to have a school shooting, an otaku
would be doing it there too, no? And then all these bad stereotypes about otaku
would come out of the media again.

Really, I don't know what kind of people the Columbine kids, were, but I think they were different
than you average emo-music-loving nerd, the big difference is they were willing to use guns to let
off steam instead of music/entertainment.

>mainstream establishment of music
I see. but we don't have real mainstream culture barrier to cope with,
like christianity.

Meatal bands look seemingly anti-social and anti-establishment to
japanese. So it would appeal to japanese too.
But I think it can be a great difference whether there is a real social
barrier or not.
So Western people sometimes can get more dangerous than japanese fans.

I used the word "potential" in a bad context.
Is it OK?

>>479 I guess that's possible,
statistically I guess it is, but I wouldn't blame the music for the violence.
Usually these guys aren't bulliles, but bullied, at least in my high school they are
sort of the outcast group, since they don't wear mainstream clothes or listen to mainstream music.

Of course, this is in white-majority suburban type schools. In urban schools you get different groups and different
subcultures.

Most of the youth violence I think is gang related, and the goth-music lovers usually aren't in gangs that I know of, although
at their worst they might be drug addicts, they're closer to hikikomori than "gangstas", I think.

>>480

No problem, it can used in either negative or positive context

Positive: "That boy has potential! He'll be a great politician some day!"
Negative: "That boy has potential to be the worst politician of his generation."
Also, "That nuclear reactor is dangerous! It has the potential to explode at any moment"

Stuff like that.

>>476
good information. thank you. we japanese tend to think anything from
America(the west) american(western).

I have read a 2ch post that read as follows: a japanese man(a poster) in Judas Priest
T-shirt was looked at wierdly by a minister? (priest?lol) in the curch.
How do you speculate this situation?
This incident seemed to be unexpected and ununderstanble to him.
The poster didn't understand why he had been seen with disdan.

Incident happend in the usa church.

lol, yeah I think most churches except maybe the more liberal Californian churches
are going to frown upon metal. Of course even in a more liberal church, it's normal to
dress up a little so a rock t-shirt might be a little inappropriate for a church service,
especially if it has blasphemous imagery on it.

I don't like gangsta music too. LOL
I admit I am somewhat drawn to metal music while I dislike
it. But gangsta music doesn't move me a bit!
gangsta music or rap music is getting pretty popular in japan.

I don't know the lyrics. I guess just imitating fashion. Black gang
star rap is annoying. so japanese gangsta rap is out of question
.....lol

I don't like gangsta music too
LOL
either....
I often by mistake attach "too" to negative.
Why is "not with too" incorrect?
sounds strange?
Do native speakers in early childhoold would often make the same mistake?

>>474
You're right, it's not my taste in music at all. It sounds - especially with Rob
Halford's vocals - too disorderly and chaotic.

>>475
When you say it's not mainstream in the West, you have to remember the West is a
pretty big place. I'd say that it's still pretty mainstream in some Scandinavian
countries, and still quite popular in some Western European countries, such as
Germany and Italy. However, this music is usually the more melodic type, rather than
screaming and shouting.

Just an interesting note, though. Most people are probably familiar with an English
actor called Christopher Lee, famous mainly for his roles in horror movies such as
Dracula and Dr. Fu Manchu, as well as later roles such as Saruman in Lord of the Rings
and Count Dooku in the newer Star Wars movies. Not many people really know of his recent
collaboration with Italian power-metal group 'Rhapsody'.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fzJZpEownLY

I have to agree with you about fans of death metal and the like though, they do
(generally, at least) dress up in their favourite band's tee-shirt and have longer
hair. Back at college, there were a lot of people like that. They're harmless though,
so society doesn't really mind what they do.

Bela Lugosi rules!

>>486
Here's a great example...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3EjsSVMdjo

lol

But Don't true-blue, devout christian rights really hate and shun
anti-christ rock music?

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj788jhY3GU
This song is about jesus christ, right?
She is not mentioning specific name though.

Does this kind of song seem old fashioned and lame
to liberals and youngsters?

Bette Midler is jewish. but many americans associate god with jesus.
What god he is imaging in her mind...

>>491
Only a couple centuries ago, certain groups of Christians (mainly the Quaker
and Puritan sects) banned any music that didn't praise God, and also banned
alcoholic drinks, all forms of entertainment, and even any design on furniture
that was not functional (and only there to look good). Four legged stools were
an abomination, because a stool only needed three legs to work.

These days, however, it seems that a lot of very devout Christians don't like
any music that doesn't tie into praising God. However, the days when most of
these kinds of people were based in the UK are long gone, and it seems the USA
is far more 'religious'. Similarly, the only Mormons I have encountered here
(literally on my doorstep) have also been American.

>>493
Yeah, America seems to be much more religious than Canada as well.

I guess America was built on (high) puritan morality even though
she has been an secular nation on surface.
And she has less history than Britain.

I carefully used "she". But it is also correct? I don't know
which is better.

"it" is also correct, I mean.

"It" is usually the correct way.

Ah, but "she" is more poetic. She is fine, although you don't hear it used
as much now a days to describe nations, except maybe when you're trying to be very
dramatic.

Wow　We were made to use "she".

http://deats.blog110.fc2.com/blog-entry-85.html
the date is 09/14/2007 LOL.
Blog writer is in the third grade in high school.

>>474
Hahaha...that music sounds very dated. Heavy metal music was everywhere
in the 70's here, until people got sick of it. You don't hear it much
anymore, except on radio stations that play 70's music. I suppose it
is still around, but it's a niche market (a few hardcore fans).

What is popular now is more melodic singer-songwriter type stuff (like
James Blunt), and of course rap & hiphop. And the pop stuff I don't
listen to (like Britney Spears-I don't know the current artists).

>>492
Actually, that is a well known folk song here & has been covered by
many singers. It isn't necessarily about Jesus, unless you want it
to be. I guess it's about our responsibility to our fellow human
beings. God is watching from a distance, so we have to take care of
each other. That's the general idea.

How about "you"?
For example, talking about America アメリカ in music lyrics.　
Is it appropriate To use You?
I remember nagabuchi tsuyoshi used "you" in his song.
a pedantic English learner laughed at his lyric,
saying She was proper so nagabuchi was ignorant.
But I'm not sure he was right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAagedeKdcQ
This one is in eary 90's, i guess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR5k5CAHzW0
>>500
But doesn't it look sarcastic and ironic to white jewish-chiristian
value of america?

http://kokoleka.saitamania.net/usr/kokoleka/DSC01222.JPG
THIS IS THE PAIN KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>503
I can't speak for the creator of the video, who was a high school student.
This was done for class project, and the imagery is a little heavy-handed.

It is ironic, but I don't think it is meant to be sarcastic or cynical
(although I can see how someone might think that).
I think the person who made it is comparing the world as it is to the
world that could be, and that it is a plea for peace and understanding.
That's my take on it.

>>481
Japanese metal fans are not mainstream here in japan.
They are a little bit queer.

But they are as not as low as real otaku nerds here. They are somewhat cool
and more sociable than real otakus.
I guess. Listening to western hard rock is something special, make them
special.

>>505
I agree with you. the video was a heavy-handed.
a song of love and peace. a simple song.
Bette Midler is not a simple woman though..lol
is she still singing?

>>501
I'm thinking of songs about America, and they mostly use the archaic
form of "you", which is "thee":
America! America! God shed his grace on thee...
or
My country, 'tis of thee...
There is one instance using "she" that I know:
God bless America, land that I love, stand beside her...
Modern songs mostly just use the name "America" or "the USA".
"You" might sound a little disrespectful.

>>506
IMO, metal fans, hard rock fans are especially
pure hearted compare to the regular J-pop fans.
they are really innocent people at heart.
even their fasion is scary.

(as) not as low as real otaku nerds here
pelease omit the first "as" in parentheses.

Many metal manias here are likely to play music instrument.
This is my intuition. not statistics nor reliable information.

Playing in the band is something otakus usually don't do.

In Japan Otaku are not good at "Yokomoji"(English)
music. They are only into idols and the music sang by idols while
American otaku are probably into metal or hard rock music.

>>507
According to her website, Bette Midler is performing as a resident
artist at one of the casinos in Las Vegas "The Colosseum".

>>511
When I think of American otaku, I think of hardcore anime fans.
People that will buy the millionth version of "Evangelion".

You may not be able to understand japanese feelings.

"God is watching us" is based on monotheistic belief.

The lyric "God is watching us" would rarely come out of
japanese feelings.
When you behave naturally and think it obvious, it looks very
Occidental to japanese.

kami is not from a distance. kami is around ane in everywhere.

>>512
Thanks. I see. So Bette Midler is still active in some
secret places. That's a good thing to know. Of course her voice is
really attractive. It's wasting for her to retire.

I'm sure America has more varieties of Otaku than that of
in Japan. I have one fixed image when I think of Otaku such as;

J-idol's follower (someone like Yukorin)and even spends unbelievablly
huge amount of money into one stupid figure (which he thinks worthy),
comes to 2channel and writes harmful things even very quiet in real life,
hardcore anime fan, likes computer stuff, likes to gather and analyze
information, never has contact with a real woman, and he prefers only
little girls, some even prefers age under 13 etc.

But maybe this image
is stereotypical. There should be a variety of otaku in Japan too. lol

>>513
Yeah, exactly. Our god is usually in ourselves. not someone
is watching us from far away.
and buddha's belief is somewhat different. Try not to
do something unnatural. don't force yourself too much,
everything is empty don't hung up to one particular thing.
western people usually have a guilty feeling when they say
a lie and strive themselves to the fullest. We are opposite.

>>513
No, I would never claim to see the world through Japanese eyes.
And yes, I was raised in a monotheistic faith.
But I was trying to explain the meaning of the "God is watching us"
lyric from an American's viewpoint to >>492 and >>503. Even then, I'm
sure I could find people in America who see the same song differently.
And I certainly don't expect you to have the same feeling about the song
that I do.

Are Kami at all like what Christians refer to as souls, that is
the spiritual part of a person? Except that Christians believe that
souls don't stay on Earth, they go elsewhere after death.

Bette Midler is like 都はるみ.
Sure she's a well-known singer with a long carrier but tastes differ, I guess...

>>508
How about the case of america(n) pointing at another contries?

Do they simply use the name of contry like Iraq and japan?

You may have connotation of おまえ。おまえ is a rude and direct word
depending occasion.
あなた is more polite. But when we translate you, It can be あなた、
おまえ、etc...

It's a bit complicated because おまえ was once told to nobles
with respects.

Japanese use the word おまえ not being conscious of its etymology
though. Many japanese even don't know about it.
http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/search.php?MT=%A4%AA%A4%DE%A4%A8&kind=jn&mode=0&type=stickflets-east
the last complement is more true and practical than other meanings. LOL

>>516
I understand perfectly what you have said previously. don't worry.
You just explained about the lyrics. well...buddhest's basic
belief is like this;

stick to nothing, every single thing has a meaning
so we appreciate it, abandon everything what you own, don't have
a definite thoughts of good and bad etc...

how is the chirstian's basic belief?

>>515
**NOTE: I am NOT intending to proselytize with what I've written below!
I'm just trying to explain. Please don't misunderstand!

There are many different varieties of Christian faith. But their
views of mankind range from a flawed being to a sinful being.
Man is seen as inherently imperfect and that's why he needs to
rely on God. So we are taught. That is why Christians (and I
suspect other related monotheistic faiths) distinguish between
God and man. Because God is perfect and man isn't, in their
beliefs.

You have been understood.

>>515 It is often said that western people feel guilty in front of
God but japanese feel guilty in front of public eye.
It's old cliche and stereotypical though.

By the way,
Aren't you refering to 仏hotoke rather than kami神.
Kami is similar to paganism or native american religion. I guess.
You can find kami everywhere in a tree, water, air, like that.

And japanese translation of God is 神。 complicating...LOL

>>520
Thanks for your explanation. Your description cleared up a few of
misteries that I've been always having in my mind.

>ihherently imperfect and that's why he needs to rely on God

I often see the expressions of exaggeration of
the man's weakness and the strength in the movies.

>>520
Don't worry. I am not thinking you are mormon. lol
There are many mormon missionary men here in japan!

>>522
nice

>>518
"You" isn't impolite at all to use for people, unless you use
it in a rude tone of voice. Like yelling "Hey You!" at someone.
I'm trying to think of songs mentioning other countries. Mostly,
they would be give the country's name, since "you" would imply
that the song was directed at the other country. I can't think of
any songs like that.

>>519
To continue with the explanation, Christians believe that Jesus
Christ was God taking on human form. His sacrifice on the cross
was because He took on all of the sins of everybody else and
received the punishment meant for them. In other words, Jesus had to die
that way; there was no other option.
Supposedly Christianity is a religion of the poor and unwanted,
and that is how it began ("Blessed are the meek, for they shall
inherit the earth" is one of the famous sayings) but in actuality,
it became a powerful and wealthy religion. There is definite
Evil and Good in Christianity, and the Bible is supposed to help
you know the difference. If you read the Gospels, Jesus preaches
a lot about tolerance and forgiveness, but you wouldn't know that
from the way many Christians act today.
I guess what I am saying is that I think many people who call themselves
Christians have strayed from the original teachings. They would
probably say the same thing about me, too!

>>522
> japanese feel guilty in front of public eye.
It's old cliche and stereotypical though.

this comes from our belief. because living
with "harmony" is the most important thing for us. So if we
do something unusual or stand out, it damage the
"harmony" that's why we be extra-careful or fear the public behavior
and people's eye.

not really caring of our self-image but we
have belief and tradition not to harm our society's
harmony. Asashouryu's matter should be difficult to understand
for westerners, but we just have to follow the tradition.
sumo wrestler is not a human being, more like a god. So he
is supposed to follow the tradition. Hopefully you understand
some part of it.

>>526
Thanks! 米人さん！＾＾

http://romancatholicblog.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/hitler280706ap_600x400.jpg
God is dead. So he rised up.

>>529
Thanks. To be honest, I feel a little awkward talking about Christian beliefs.
I tried to stick to the basics, since there are so many different kinds
of Christians.
About Mormons, there was one family of Mormons in the town where I
grew up (in Connecticut, still in New England). And everyone who dated
a member of that family ended up converting to the Mormon church!
I don't know if they stayed Mormons though...

But I'm a little surprised that sumo wrestling tradition are elevated
to the level of a religion. Is that really the way it is, seriously?

>>526
http://www.liceoberchet.it/ricerche/geo5d_04/America_Nord/StatiUniti/immagini/butler.gif
you called me?

>>531
You have husband and kids to spend time on with weekday night, but
you are glued to this thread. I think you'd better spend time more
with your family instead of talking with anonymous garbage here.

Check you priority list again. I hope you are not Internet addicted
housewife, abondoning you responsibility in your house.

>>533
Mind your own business!!

>>531
Yes mom, regarding Sumo, if you'd ask one of those
senior people aged above 70, they see sumo wrestlers as
god, just like imperial family. I can't explain it well so this
is an excerpt;

The history of sumo goes back to ancient times in Japan. There s
a legend that in mythical times the gods wrestled with
each other. Sumo was not just a sport, but was an event used to tell whether crops
would be good or not by seeking the divine in tention of the gods. From about the
sixth century it developed into a spectator sport.

About Mormon, are they that influential? wow!
there are a lot of mormon in
eliete societies too. it is ok for them to earn a lot of money, right?

>>533
umm...but isn't it very late at night in U.S?
anybody can come to pc and communicate with the people far east.
she is mostly writing intellectual things or heart warming matters.
Nothing is bad at all.

>>531
most of japanese watch sumo just for fun.
Yes, many know there are serious traditional issues in depth.
But most of japanese don't know concretely.

As for assyoryu problem, I think he just broke common rules.
He lied and cheated. In my opinion, not about tradition or God.

Japanese sumo federation made responsibility of asasyoryu
obscure and imposed severe punishment with him. That's why
some of mongols can't undersand the situation.

Mongol sumo yokozuna is treated as God as well.

>>535
Mom?
About Sumo, I see. Very interesting; I didn't know about its origins.
All Mormons give 10% of the money they earn to their church, a
practice called "tithing". Most other Christians give 1-2%.

>>533
Yes, yes, I am leaving. I am kind of addicted to the Internet,
it's true, but I mostly indulge after everyone else goes to bed.
My husband seems to need more sleep than me. I guess he works
harder than me. But I haven't abandoned all of my responsibilities;
we still have food to eat and clean clothing here.
Goodnight all!

Your most precious work is to please your husband!!!

>>539
He meant to say abbriviation of madam, I guess, ended up meaning mother instead. lol

>>539
lol sorry I wanted to say Yes, in a resepctful way! ^^;
don't worry everybody indulge in internet once in our
life time(really so? O_O?). but once we get over the
addiction, we will be good in time control.

>>537 >>538
Thanks! ^^
maybe ordinary people don't mind if they are got or not,
but I guess why we are so strict about sumo wrestlers' bad behavior
is because it rooted to our sacred area.

>>540
you are boring. don't read the text book!

I'd never allow my future wife to get addicted to net surfing, not to metion
2ch. If she had time to wasting her time in 2ch, I would make her give
me blowjob. PERIOD

>>544
ahhh now I understand. that's what you wanted to say TAKO!

I love Tacos, period.

>>545
You are 515

米人さん, you are probably gone now, but the explanation of Christianity was well done. bravo. n_n

It's a little embarassing, but even though I was raised Catholic, I am now agnostic, so a lot of the christian teachings I learned as a kid have slipped my mind.

Japanese shinto is very interesting, and like >>522さん said,rather similar to paganism. :D
Am I right in understanding that shintoism also believes that god(s) live inside yourself as well as in nature? Is that why there are mirrors at shinto temples?

I also have heard that Shinto encourages cleanliness, and that is how the tradition of removing shoes inside a house started. I wonder, can anyone confirm this? o.o
(Although... it is a common missconception that Americans don't take off their shoes when going into their house...
I actually don't know anyone who wear's their shoes inside, unless they are only going to be inside the house for a few minutes and won't be bothered w/ taking them off.)

>I actually don't know anyone who wear's their shoes inside, unless they are only going to be inside the house for a few minutes and won't be bothered w/ taking them off.)

What do you mean? Do you change to indoor slippers or something?

well, usually we just take off our shoes and walk around in socks. I wear slippers only if my feet get cold. n_n

But say, if my aunt was coming over to drop off a book, she might come into the house without taking off her shoes, and maybe stay for a few minute before leaving.
Since she is only staying for a few minutes, I wouldn't expect her to be bothered with taking off her shoes.

>>550
Gee. Isn't it matter of how long she stays at your home?
No matter what short period of time she stays home, as long as she comes into your house
with her shoes on, the floor or carpet that covers the floor gets dirty...

Is it really common to take off your shoes in American house?
I just thought that you wear shoes in American home.

makes me freeze again...ewwwww
start a journey

>>551
well, I guess it depends on the person. I know that my aunt's shoes have only seen the cement, the inside of the car, and maybe the floor of a supermarket.
So It doesn't seem that relatively dirty... Well, I vacuum once a week and have the carpet soaped twice a year, so...


I think It depends on the American. lol.
My friends and I always take off our shoes, but I guess some people don't.
I don't know why though. Even if that person cleaned all the time, shoes are uncomfortable.

Personally,I think being barefoot is the best. :]
lol

>>553
I don't mean to dwell on if you take off your shoes or not in US, but
I've never been to US and other foreign countries, so what I know is
from US movies and dramas. I've never seen any actors walking around
in their house, without shoes.

Anyway, let's hope that your aunt hadn't stepped on dog's dropping
before she entered your house. hehe

>>554
Ah, that's true.
But mysteriously, actors always have clean shoes on clean carpet.
Then again, maybe It's common in other parts of the country, and I'm a minority. n_n

....isn't it obvious when someone steps in dog poo? I think anyone would be able to tell right away. lol.

If your aunt is mean enough and in a hurry, she rubs his shoe sole against
something before entering your house and come into your house.

After she leaves your home, comes out of nowhere smell of dog's poo.

>>555
Did you have a chance to wear Yukata you bought on Japan tour in summer?
I am just wondering....

in the house, it's still the public space in west.
Only the place where you sleep is without your shoes. ]

But anyway, let's just don't talk about shoes or sex here..
It gives me a derisive face but it never heighten my sensitivity or
intellcutual stimulation when I hear someone brings up the topics about
lower part of our body...well I like to talk about sex fun way...
but more intellectual way please....

>>558
Who do you think you are?

As if you were different from others...
Plus, you are the one who mentioned sex first.

You'd better stop acting like a wise man or something.

Tvn, can't you do it with somebody else?
not with ahan. and if you do it with somebody else
I can enjoy with you, alight? but with ahan, I can never
come to you. so bye bye

>>558
Clearly you're *NOT* from anywhere in the west. I on the other hand am. Which is why I can say with confidence
that a house is most certainly *not* considered to be a public space. Nor are shoes worn inside houses.

>>561
you mean, you don't wear shoes inside your house either?

>>558
>in the house, it's still the public space in west.

Are you implying that you are from somewhere western part of Africa?

>>562
Sure don't :P.

Naked feed are considered filthy?

>>565
must be bare feet, lol

huh? wearing shoes in the house is only in the west.
we don't wear shoes in the house. Anyway, pls stop
talking 'bout shoes. I like to talk on internet but
when you brings up THIS theme, I feel more and more
sink out of sight. You find somebody else, ok? do bare foot
or whatever...
then I can enjoy more with you, TVN.

Yes, I can!

OK then pls find somebody else not her.
bare foot! in the house!

>>566
Shut up! You filth!!

I have athlete's feet all over my body.
How would you do?

somebody I don't know

>>571
ok then, good luck. you'll never see me again. bye

He who runs after two hares will catch neither.

You can also catch two birds with one stone, lol

heh...but in this case, never.. as long as it is ahan. sorry TVN bye

TVN?
I love TDN.

And you can spoil a good broth with too many chefs!

>>566
http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&rlz=1T4GGLG_ja___JP225&q=%22naked+feet%22&lr=
http://eow.alc.co.jp/naked%20feet/UTF-8/
walk with naked feet
We have to wait native speaker's answer.

Over here, at least, there are some families who do wear shoes indoors, but
there are also a lot of families who encourage people to remove shoes when
in the house, as it keeps everything cleaner. It is considered polite and
courteous to remove shoes when entering someone else's house.

Personally, I think it's healthier for the skin too, as it allows it to
breathe. Keeping shoes on all the time encourages conditions such as Athlete's
Foot.

>>578
If you're wondering whether we use 'naked feet' or 'bare feet' more commonly,
it's 'bare feet'. 'Naked feet' seems to be used more in biblical terms. 'Bare
feet' is more an everyday thing.

We westerners just have a different idea of hygiene. It's because we are
barbarians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Talk_Like_a_Pirate_Day

>>581 Yarrrr...

But it just ended in Japan...

>>579
Is custom changing over the decades?

>>583 I think it depends on the house, whether or not they have carpet,
and how picky they are about keeping their house clean.

My family takes their shoes off before entering the house. Well, not at
the front door, but just inside, in the tiled foyer. Everyone but one
of my brothers, anyway, who wasn't raised with the rest of us (large age gap)
and was raised in a different area (guess he picked up that habit from
some of our relatives). Even then, he removes them when he gets to his
room, and they stay off until he leaves the house. So yeah, some western
people wear them inside the house, and others do not. It's common not
to remove your shoes while visiting someone else's house though; at least
in most cases (I have had friends who required it, or have felt comfortable
enough in a friend's house to where I would). It really just varies
from person to person. I, personally, don't like wearing my shoes inside
the house.

oh, it turns out I'm a bible man using the word "naked feet"! yeah-! cool!
I'm now reading The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, so it's very timely. There has to be GOD behind this.

>>557
Actually, I haven't. It was pretty hot this summer, and now that the temperature is nicer, school started. I think I will for Halloween though. n_n

>>584
Precisely.

But in the hollywood movies I've watched, nobody, without exception, takes off their shoes when they go into the house..
I've never seen a hollywood movie where people take off their shoes when going into their house.
Now, why is that? Bad luck?

>>588
Nobody ever considers it when writing the script, probably?

Isn't it the case that people living in the house without shoes on are rare?

I never imagined it's so common to take off shoes in Western countries and
Austraria. Western people's custom of wearing shoes in their house
is introduced as a typical example of cultural differences here in
Japan and I thought western people are surprised when they know
we Japanese take off shoes when entering house.

I wonder why in dramas and movies, they wear shoes.
Do you have reasonable answers?

>>584
Foreigners here are relatively young.
Is it the case more than several decades ago or
at the time of american independence days?

Ｓｏｍｅ　ｐｅｏｐｌｅ　ｉｎ　Ｊａｐａｎ　ｔａｋｅ　ｏｆｆ　ｔｈｅｉｒ　ｓｈｏｅｓ　ｗｈｅｎ　ｔｈｅｙ　ｇｅｔ　ｉｎ　ｔｈｅｉｒ　ｃａｒｓ　ｂｅｃａｕｓｅ　they want to their cars kept clean
Are there people like that?

http://www.34al.com/genkan20.jpg
We put shoes at 玄関genkan designed for the place of shoes.
What part of the house do you put shoes?
Just in front of door?

>>593
I'm japanese. But I've never heard of it.

>>593
That's a very new one to me. I've not come across anyone who does that over
here.

You might not see them taking off or putting on shoes in Western films,
but you do see them often lounging or walking around the house in
socks, don't you? There isn't the kind of ritual of taking off/removing
shoes in a ganzen like in japan, since we don't have ganzen, but plenty of people
live in their house without shoes on, especially in the summer.

>>581
Ahoy there, mateys!
>>544
Hang that scurvy dog from the yardarm! Keelhaul the blaggard! Arrrr!

Just for the record, I take off my shoes when I enter the house or anyone
else's house, but the rest of my family doesn't. I wish they would; there's
nothing like searching the house for someone's shoes as you see the school
bus arriving.
Well, I'm off to do my usual housewife things-eat bonbons and catch up
on the soaps. See you later.

>>597
I suspect putting on the brake with bare feet or just on socks
would violate traffic law in japan. lol

What's a ganzen?

to do my usual housewife things

Hmmmm. sweet.... Your husband is wating for your 'job'

How about in the school?

We must change into indoor shoes(上履き).

Guests ?must use slipper.

But if someone just goes into the house with their shoes on, then the bottom of your feet are always dirty in the house.
It doesn't make sense. You have to do it as a house rule.

>>602
Nobody here takes their shoes off at school. We were just expected to wear
smart shoes as part of our uniform.

http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontofhouseau8.jpg
Sorry about the image quality, the lighting wasn't very good. A lot of people
here reserve a bit of space by the doorway to keep shoes and slippers. This
example is my home.

Some newer houses also have an area after entering the front door, but before
entering the main part of the house. A lot of people also use this area to take
off shoes or to transfer to slippers.

Actually if you drive under the influence of alshocol, it's against the law in japan.
Not only that, if you knowingly let a drunk guy drive and sit in the car, it's also against the law.
What about in your country?

http://www.google.co.jp/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLG_ja___JP225&q=%e8%a3%b8%e8%b6%b3%e3%80%80%e9%81%8b%e8%bb%a2
A few japanese seem to drive their car with bare feet for
hygiene reason.
But it's queer and not common thing as far as I feel.

and driving with bare feet seems to be gray area.
No low prohibits bare feet driving and no judicial precedents.
But there seem to be an explanation that bare feet driving is
agaist the traffic law.

I've done it a couple of times before though. lol not for hygien reason.
My feet was just tired.

http://img515.imageshack.us/my.php?image=frontofhouseau8.jpg
your house? uho.
no partion and dent. just a carpet.

>>605
Driving under influence of alcohol is certainly illegal here, but if someone
else drives your car while drunk, it's still them breaking the law. I'm not
sure how the owner is affected though, as it is someone else driving a car
not registered to themselves.

>>606
Some people prefer to drive barefoot just because their shoes make it hard
to drive sometimes. Such as women who wear shoes with high heels.

I would not allow you to enter my house with even socks on!
Disinfect your stinky feet with .1% oxydol !

Japanese women would do the same.
Some idiots drive with high heels and
cause traffic accidents though.

smart shoe means sneaker?

>>611
Smart shoes as in formal shoes, sorry.
http://www.everythingbirkenstock.com/images/450032ken-black.jpg

>>608
You seemed to misunderstood me.
Who the owner of the car is is irelevant.
If you are in a car with a drunken guy behind the wheel, and you don't stop the guy from driving the car knowing that he is drunk,
you are held responsible for that.
You know it's dangerous, but you let that happen, so you are bad.

Well, I'm off to do my usual housewife things-eat bonbons and catch up
on the soaps. See you later.

I can't imagine what she is talking about.

>>613
I did understand you, I just meant that I don't think it's illegal here if
you don't stop him. If there is an accident, however, you could be charged.
It certainly is morally wrong to let him drive, though.

Soaps? Does it means soep operas?
Living in Japan, I don't get to watch american or british or anyothercountryish soap operas.
And that's ... nothing.

>>600

Whoops, I meant genkan (玄関).
I'm a stupid foreigner.

>>616
That's right. And you should feel lucky to not be able to see British soap
operas... they are a terrible thing.

if you knowingly let a drunk guy drive and sit in the car, it's also against the law.
What about in your country?

This change of law is pretty recent.

>>614
I can even though I'm Japanese.

bonbons is something sweet that is high in calorie.
Soaps are dramas aired around noon. The sponcers of that type of drama
used to be a company who sells soap. That's why they are called soap (opera).

soap in this case, is 昼ドラ, which stupid housewives is crazy about.

catch up
on the soaps

Uhahahhaha. typical housewive. pretty!!! in japanse
they are called 昼ドラ
http://www.tokai-tv.com/kinniro/
This is a must-see!! lol

>>594
Yes; in my family, it's just a spot next to the door.


Shoes off while driving? I've heard of it but I've never seen it done.

Is Gray zone japanese Engrish?

Gray zone menans a halfway between legality and illegality.

>>615
Oh you understood me.
I'm glad you did. English is difficult.
Drunk driving is a huge social issue right now in Japan. They just changed the law in that way.

About a year ago, a drunk driver killed three kids.
He bumped a car in front of him off a bridge.
The parent's got out of the car, but their 3 kids got trapped.
Mother tried to rescue the kids and dive many many times into the water, in vain.
Just too sad.

Lots of drunk driving incidents followed, and finally they changed the law, and we are happy

>>623
In English, a 'grey area' is a kind of borderline where things are still
uncertain. So a legal grey area can be something where it is unsure if it
is legal or illegal.

Getting in your own house with shoes on doesn't really show a cultural difference
but entering someone else's house does.

As there is a metaphoric phrase such as,
土足で踏みにじる、(stepping on one's feelings with shoes on)
it is incredibly rude and disrespectful to enter someone's personal domain with shoes on.

We never enter our own house with shoes on.
So entering other's house with shoes on is unthinkable.
So exaggeration works.

>>627
That's right. I meant to say, getting in your own house with shoes OFF doesn't but entering others' with shoes ON does.

>>598
You are just being sarcastic about that type of housewives aren't you?
Or are you really into specific soap operas?
THe more you are into soap opera, the more you get damb in my book.
Watching Econimic or political news makes you get intelligent.
PBS rules!!!

>>626
Yeah, I'm aware of that. I wouldn't enter another's home with
shoes on, were I in Japan.

>>630
I'm not saying the westerners are rude or anything. I just find it interesting.
Anyway, if you are in Japan, you have no choice but to take off your shoes
since there is a step at Genkan and you see lots of shoes down there.

what if westerner is blind and can not see shoes?

They would trip over the step and realize.

>>631
Yeah, I understand. Frankly, I wish it were more common here and
that we had 玄関 in the same style. The closest thing we have is
called a foyer or simply the entrance... a tiled area in front
of the door. It would certainly keep the carpet cleaner, and even
the tile cleaner if absolutely everyone went in socks or barefoot.


>>633
Indeed. :(

>>634
A foyer would nice but I bet it is for a big house?

Everytime I was invited over to my friends' house in the US, I wondered
if I should take my shoes off because they weren't wearing. But they usually
said I don't have to, but I took it as their consideration for a guest.
Would you be more comfortable if I did?

>>635
Foyers are just about everywhere... I live in an apartment right now,
and even it has one.

Personally, I wouldn't mind either way, whether you took them off
or left them on. It's not a large cultural issue here.

We often hear cultural comparison between the west and japan from
the aspect of shoes in the house. Intellectuals and pedantic people are
likely to talk about it. I want to explain in my poor english skill
as below.

In the west, house is still a public place, so people among families are
still different individual,they don't take off theire shoes in the kithcen
or living room where things have to be shared by every family member.
they can eventually take off shoes in their own room and can get private
and relax in their own room . we can understand why western people have
kids own room. It encourage independence and individualism too.

In japann house is a private place, family members are fellow and they
all take off their shoes and relax in their house. Distinction between parents and children
is so obscure that japanese children are less likely to have their own
room.
We can couclude distinction of Individual and family and public is ambiguous
in japan.

Humans have such trivial worries! It is much easier in the PRC, since us cats
have no need for shoes. Of course, there are some thoughtless cats who trail
dirt inside, but most of us clean our paws on the grass, or with our tongue,
so not to leave dirt behind.

Us cats do like being clean.

>>637
I disagree with you there. The home is not a 'public' place in the
west, nor does everyone leave their shoes on in the house. A lot
of people take them off at the door, as does my family (I live in
the US). It's not one way or the other here; it varies heavily from
family to family.

>><< (The following is directed at everyone)

On another note, what song (if any) are you listening to as
you read this? For me, "Another One Bites the Dust", by Queen.

>>639
For me, it's Lee Sun-Hee's 'Inyeon', from the 'The King and the Clown' soundtrack.

For me: it's this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZxLd_VW-7w&mode=related&search=
(-__-)

>>647
I have memory of reading this kind of description in school textbook of
either english of japanese.
So this kind of ideology is still widely accepted in japan.
沢田学部長は「欧米人は室内で靴を脱がず、それが規律になっている。
日本では居酒屋に靴を脱いであがるなど公共の場でリラックスしすぎる
姿が目立つ。現代社会での美しい行動様式を考えるべきだ」
Dean sawada said 'Western people don't take off shoes in the house
and it is the discipline..."
http://bwu.bunka.ac.jp/profile/sawada/#background
Her career. She got a doctorate in engineering in tokyo university.
Tokyo university is the best university in japan. LOL

http://www.ccn.yamanashi.ac.jp/~morita/Subjects/phenomene/frame_droite1.html
実際、日本式を真似して室内を清潔に保つために下足を脱ぐ・脱がせる西洋人もいないわけではない。
In reality It's not to say that there are no western people who imitate japanese style and take off shoes to
keep their roome clean. But...
How many technical terms and intelligenge you flaunt, you are wrong! lol

>>649
But home=public place like that is seriously talked in japan!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuro_Watsuji
From intellectual giants like watsuji tetsuro! He seems to never
have been to the west. But wait he had been to germany around 1927.

So I want to know the western situation in more old days.

>>639
It's not my opinion. but widely accepted concept in japan.

>>639
My tune is this now: Nujabes "Reflection Eternal"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjIki7tNPKU

I know Hip Hop isn't popular here but I like some non-commercial stuff like his.
Very chilling.

I sort of get what you mean by western houses being "public" as opposed to
"private" but I think the thought is misleading for American and European houses
In the classical Medittereanean and middle east, though it can apply.
The classical Greek house is built very much with the public in mind.
It has a big entrance and a large part of its construction is designed to accomodate guests
in a linear way, like a temple receives patrons.
http://oncampus.richmond.edu/academics/education/projects/webunits/greecerome/richhouse.gif
This rich house even has an altar. I understand many houses in the Arab world are somewhat similar
with a big emphasis on a big public room for entertaining guests.

Traditional Japanese houses aren't too different though, I think there's just less of a
distinction between the public space where one sits around a table and chats with the
sleeping, private spaces, since often they're the same space, just with futons.
So different rules should apply. Also, Japanese houses traditionally use tatami, which damage
easily, unlike western houses which have solid floors usually to accommodate heavy boots, and in
some rich houses in the middle ages, even horses.
But generally I think it's a question of hygiene, which varies from place to place.
Traditionally, western people had a very different sense of hygiene compared to Japan.
It was actually considered "clean" to be a bit dirty, since it was believed to protect you
from disease, although in the Middle east people bathed a lot more than in Europe.

>>642
I wouldn't say that taking one's shoes off before entering a home
is 'imitating the Japanese style'. I mean, it's not as if Japan
was the ONLY place this was done. I don't think it can be traced
back to any one culture, either.

>>645
I have a Nujabes track somewhere around here...

>>646
Thank you for useful information.

But I want to know whether English speaking white people
really took off their shoes in more than 50 years ago or 100 years ago.

"Japanese with shoes off and the lack of indivisualism things"
frequenatly is used to describe japanse weakness rather than merits
and bosasting, setting aside its own validity.

Boast was better. I didn't know that boast is also a noun.

>>637
I've never met anybody who wears their shoes in the house.I, and everybody else I know, have a place to keep your shoes while you're in the house.

It is considered very rude and dirty, but I'm sure it varies from place to place, country to country.

Which part of USA are people likely not to take off their shoes at.
Southern part of america?

>>648

You see people in movies and old advertisements wearing slippers usually.
Don't know when people started wearing just socks indoors.

Even in the 19th Century slippers for casual use within the house, especially in
the mornings and evenings, when one wasn't dressed for work or formal meetings,
and was either coming out of, or heading towards bed.

>>652, it's not really a formal thing.
It depends on the house, so there aren't really any rules for that.
Some people will either wear shoes or socks based on what's more convenient
for them.

Wearing socks is usually considered less formal though, so If I was a guest at
a stranger's house, I wouldn't take off my shoes unless asked to. Some people ask
specifically to remove shoes to protect their carpets.

The very first time I was at a friend's house with my shoes on, I felt as if I was
walking on the moon, especially because they had such a fluffy carpet. @.@

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjIki7tNPKU
This is not a typical hip hop song.

I counldn't tell he is japanse. Is
Nujabes famous in foreign countries?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCwr5AZHzE&mode=related&search=
I seem to have heard this melody. Is this song by producer Nujabes?
Great! But we rarely hear the name of Nujabes here in japan.
This is my first time.

>>656
He is a Japanese DJ who collaborates with artists, singers and rappers overseas as well.
I doubt he makes big sales anywhere.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxazLt7jbk
This is an English culture. I don't know why English love
Streaking.
On another note..
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=l0O3uqJSRTE

ah, I love Nujabes!
I think his real name is Jun Seba?

I'm listening to Weezer.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=wqgN0T6f1kg
The guy talking in the beginning reminds me so much of my cousin...lol

>>659
Sumo Wrestling... you can never get bored of it.

>>660
Right. Seba Jun as you read Nujabes backwards. There's a trick hidden there.

Women are prohibited going up "Dohyo" sumo wrestling ring.
because they regard it as a holy place.
I wonder whether or not there are some places in foreign countries
which are banned to women.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wqgN0T6f1kg
Are they imitating british rock?

>>663
During service, women aren't allowed in the main area of a Jewish synagogue. Instead,
they are either seated on the balcony, or to the back or side of the men's section,
separated by a curtain.

Men aren't allowed to pray in the presence of women because their minds are supposed to
be on God, and not girls.

>>664
Hm, I don't know who Weezer was influenced by.
But I know that Weezer was a great influence to Gotoh from Asian Kung-Fu generation(besides Number Girl)

>>665
huh! I never knew that~interesting.

>>652
I live in Florida, the furthest south place in the US... and it still
varies heavily here. I don't think it's a regional thing.

>>665
Oh hey I didn't know that either. Interesting indeed. I have a friend
whom is an Israeli soldier; I should ask her about that kind of thing.

Oops, *furthest south place in the US mainland, I meant.

>>604
Thanx very much for showing a photo of your home!
Very cute doorstep!
but, do you have red walls there?

>>668
Ha, ha, I had to look on a map myself to see where Hawaii actually
is. It's always in an inset on the US maps, so it's hard to tell.

I lied earlier today. I don't actually spend my days eating candy
(bonbons) and watching TV soap operas. I spent my day today in the far
more exciting activity of making up lists of classroom
volunteers for the elementary school PTO (Parent Teacher Organization).
It's kind of like having a job, except without the paycheck.
What you might call a labor of love.
soooo sleeeepy.....

>>648
Um.. of course. Really who would want to wear shoes inside? They're sweaty and uncomfortable.

>>637
That seems like it's from a 日本人論. Soon you'll be saying that only Japan has 4 seasons -_-.
Either way whatever it's from it's completely wrong. Of course a house is a private place
in the West. Very few people leave their shoes on in the house and when they do it is
simply for comfort.

>>669
The people who lived here before me had a strange taste in colour. The room
I'm in now had bright yellow walls, the room next to it had pale blue walls.
The room beside that has (still need to re-paint it) pale green walls. But
the hallways are a raspberry red, yes.

>>637 >>646 >>672
Good morning!
I'm very curious what a Japanese person means when they talk about
a "public" versus a "private" space. Why would a Western house be
seen as a public space? In the West, public spaces are places anyone
could go, like bus terminals, supermarkets, government buildings etc.
Even if someone is a close friend, you would never just march into
their house without waiting to be welcomed in (shoes on or not), and
it is considered more polite to always call first before you stop by,
even with relatives.
Is it that the Japanese don't entertain in their homes? That seems
very unlikely to me.
I hope that someone from Japan can explain.

>>673
The red is pretty, but does it make the hallway dark?

Are you really American？

>>672
Having just got all angry about the `public v private' stuff, I second that question. Anyway I did home stay in Japan
for a bit and there were a number of occasions when my host families entertained friends. So we can rule out the
not entertaining bit....

Whops I meant to reply to >>674 not myself :s

Sadly, I can hardly speak English fluently, so I'll ROM this thread to study non-Japanese English.
Then I hope you tell me which コテハン native speaker are.

>>674
I'm Japanese and I think it was just BS.

which コテハン native speakers are.

だった

>>678
Ya, yer Inglish is teribal.

>>681
('A`)

It's nice to know you :]

ITZ NOT AZ BAD AZ MINE. MINE IZ TEH WOZTEZT!!
OLOLOLLLLLL!111

>>674
> Why would a Western house be seen as a public space?

I don't know. Let's wait for the man to come up who presson the idea.
I'm Japanese and I think the Japanese notion of public and private is the
same as what you explained in >>674.

So what do you people usually do for fun?

nurupo

I like to read about gruesome murders:

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20070920TDY02008.htm
'Isolation possible factor' in Kyoto murder case

The Yomiuri Shimbun

A 16-year-old vocational school student of Kyotanabe, Kyoto Prefecture,
under arrest on charges of killing her father with a hatchet on Tuesday,
said she could not forgive her family for failing to criticize him over
his behavior, according to the police.

The Kyoto prefectural police suspect the girl's anger toward her father,
who served as a police sergeant at Minami Police Station, made her feel isolated,
leading her to allegedly commit the crime.

The police sent the girl to the district public prosecutors office
the same day.

The girl told investigators her father, 45, and mother, 41, often
quarreled.

As a result of these arguments and having been physically abused
by her father, she began to hate him, the police said.

The girl recently learned that her father had been exchanging e-mails
with a woman, which increased her distrust in him.

The police quoted the girl as saying: "I hated my father. I didn't need
him. I couldn't stand the atmosphere in my family."
...

>>687
Bang!

>>673 >>673
Don't get us wrong.
Japanese just don't know much about western culture.
No superior feelings or ill intention. We have taken what westernens do
as it is and just felt different from japanese.

As I mentioneed before, japanese use these comparisions(
public or private, inner or outer, shoes off or shoses on, familism or individualism..)
to point out Japanese immaturity and weakness rather than boast japanese
uniqueness: Western people are more civilized, individualistic and they
distinguish public from private like that.

When Clean and Hygiene things came up, so things get complicated.
Some foreigners may have felt "japanese feel superiror and
they think we are less careful to hygine". But it's misconception.
We don't usually trace differences to hygine factors. We trace
in more broader view.
And If ever so, We think it's just a difference.

>>690 XD

Oh come on! The West is NOT "more civilized" than the East. I won't accept
that kind of Japanese modesty! XD

I recommend reading this book to learn a bit about how the West came to dominate
the world, and believe me, there's nothing magical or especially "civilized" about it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guns,_Germs,_and_Steel

Besides, Japan is one of the few "non-western" civilizations to actively compete
with modern "Western" industrial powers. If anything, Japan should be considered part of
the west! In some ways, Japanese history is like a strange mirror, or microcosm of European history.
Of course there are many differences within that too.

Let me translate whole texts.
沢田学部長は「欧米人は室内で靴を脱がず、それが規律になっている。
日本では居酒屋に靴を脱いであがるなど公共の場でリラックスしすぎる
姿が目立つ。現代社会での美しい行動様式を考えるべきだ」
Dean sawada said 'Western people don't take off shoes in the house
and it is the discipline. We get too relaxed in public
places like Japanese style pub, where we took off shoes.
(This im my own comment http://www.e-tonamino.com/DBIMG/FREE/FREE_000000_244_1.jpg
I think the writer is mentioning tatami space on the right.)
We should seek new form of beautiful behaviour in modern society.
-------------------------------------------
Prof sawada is considering japanese as less modern and less
public. She is refering to japanse culture negatively.

Let's separate the point that her(our) observation has been based
on false information. That is another thing.

and I now know that most of western people take off shoes in the home.

>>690
I put wrong anchors.
I wanted to put >>676 >>672

>>673
During the evenings, it does get somewhat darker than a magnolia-walled hall
would be, but by that time it's fine to start turning a couple lights on, so
it's quite a comfortable and warm atmosphere.



And on a different topic, just came back home from a meal with a friend, and
it was terrible service. The food was supposed to be served with salad and
chips, but we only got about seven chips and two leaves of lettuce.
Then after an hour, we decided they must have forgotten about dessert, so I
went to get another drink and tried to subtly mention it, and found that they
had completely forgotten to make the food. So they rushed the food and it was
disgusting anyway. My friend's knife was dirty, and the dessert plate and bowl
had greasy streaks and fingerprints all over them.

That's enough whining for now.

>>675
I am American (米人 means American). I am too lazy to write out
”アメリカ人”every time.

>>679 >>685 >>690
Thank you so much for answering me in >>674!
One disadvantage of the Japanese requirement of taking off one's shoes
in many places is that you better have nice socks! No holes!
I started out taking off my shoes as a habit when my son was an infant
in day care. Most daycare centers require you to take off your shoes
when you enter the infant room, for obvious reasons. That may be one
reason why it's more common in the West now.

>>695
How unfortunate!
I once worked as a waitress in my youth, and a word of advice: it is
better to be direct, because sometimes they really do forget about
people. Especially if it isn't a 4-star place, and it doesn't sound
like you were in that kind of place. In fact, when something like
that happens they should offer you a freebie, although it sounds
like you wouldn't have wanted more food from there.

>>695
This is not my opinion. I'm just telling the situation.
The reputation, that English dish is not good, more simply
terrible, reachs even all the way to Japan.
At least, former prime minister of France said so
in formal place... Let's punch him.

To be honest, I didn't hear good reputation of english dish
from japanese who had been to Britain. Scottish dish seemed
to have not been good either.
And sushi restrant run by korean or chinese seemed to have
been worse, hardly edible.

>>697
I think that's all stereotype.
The food situation in England has changed dramatically since the integration of EU.
You don't need to go to an expensive restaurant to have something tasety,
even a small cafe serves tasety coffee and nice food, which I think is owing to
the influence of other EU nations know to serve good food, such as Italy, France, etc.
In addition, the UK has been known for serving very authentic Indian and Chinese food,
and I shouldn't forget mention authentic Kebab either!

>>696
The thing is, it was a lot quieter than usual too. The staff outnumbered the
customers. However, the lesson's been learned and there's a much nicer place
nearby anyway, but it was worth it just to try it out. The only time I've
had something bad from that place, I just mentioned their steak was a bit too
gristly, and they offered me a replacement meal, a free drink, and gave me a
20% discount card, which I thought was just a one-off. Left it at the counter
the next time, and a member of staff informed me that it had been 'forgotten'
and handed it back. A wonderful South African bar.

>>697
You're very right, English food is extremely bland sometimes. Sunday is a traditional
day when families gather together and have a 'Sunday roast', which is usually roast
chicken, pork or beef. This is served with mixed vegetables, roast potatoes, Yorkshire
pudding, and gravy. This is also the only time I try to eat English food. A lot of time,
I cook foreign foods, especially that of Italy.

English food is only occasionally spiced, and even then, usually only lightly. The most
common herbs used in cooking are rosemary, basil and thyme. English people also have a
habit of not wanting to try new things, so if you visit a Chinese or Indian restaurant
here, there are still people who only order food such as mashed potato with sausages and
gravy. It can be quite sad...

>>698
You're also right. There are a huge variety of restaurants that cater to the
foods of other nations, and a lot of people do like to eat out (those who are
adventurous enough to try something different to what their grandmother makes).
The Indian and Chinese restaurants you mention are usually family-run, and most
do make very good food. And as for kebab shops... you can hardly go down a street
without finding one!

>>700
Do you think the previous resitent of your current house was an
artist?
Japanese magazines sometimes feature artists' houses in England and France, and a lot of time,
their walls are painted with flashy colors different in each room.

>>674
I'm the one of two? who started public issues.
>Even if someone is a close friend, you would never just march into
>their house without waiting to be welcomed in
Absolutely not in japan. lol I've done it a couple of times
in my childhood. I got scolded by parents of my friend.

Your definition of public and private is the same in japan.

But It could be said that houses in the west plays "more" public
function than japanese one. and "public" consciousness
among family may exist too. Living room and kitchen play more public
role among families and private room plays private role. So
sense of both privacy and public grows in the west.
In japan the border line between public and private
are ambiguous. We have less privacy in family.
It doesn't necessarily mean we didn't have a private room.
but partions among rooms are more loose in japan. and We locked
the house bud didn't lock the rooms in the house..
.....and like that.

I've not read hudo by watsuji tatsuro.
http://homepage2.nifty.com/morimasa/shizen.html
He seems to have mentioned about taking off shoes,
the lack of individualism, the lack of the sense of
privacy, and familism in japan. He tried to explain differences
by huudo(climate)

He went to germany to study. But it's pretty long a time ago.
nearly 80 years ago.
So I want to know about the past situation in the west.

>>699
But I sometimes feel anglo-saxon germanic people are practical
even about cooking as well. It's not all bad.

German and scandinavian foods are not showy like french either?

but partions among rooms are more loose in japan
I mean "were more loose".

The situation changed dramatically in japan. It's common now to have
children have their own room with the door, not shouji.

http://www.pfadfinder24.de/themen/001.html
日本でドイツ人（西欧人）を家に招いたら、まずは玄関で靴を脱ぐように言
わないと、平気で家の中に靴のままあがってくるという話はきっと皆さん、
どこかで聞かれたことでしょう。
最近では、ドイツ人家庭でも靴を脱いでから部屋に入る家庭が増えてきま
したら、ドイツに来てドイツの家庭にお邪魔する際は、ま
ずは玄関先で靴を脱ぐべきか、尋ねてから部屋に入るようにしましょう。
writer says
"Recently the population of the german family who enter the room with shoes
off has been growing. So we should ask wheter to take off shoes or
not at the doorway before entering german house."

So how about the past situation?

>>705
During the years I lived in Germany, it seemed that the majority of families
encouraged the removal of shoes inside the house.

I can't help but think that the whole keeping shoes on thing came about because
so many older homes had hardwood floors rather than carpeting. Carpeting is
softer on the feet, and is easier to clean, so it makes sense not to walk on it
with shoes. Hardwood floors are a lot easier to clean, and there is the risk of
wood splintering into the feet if they are bare. Back in older times, not all
wooden floors could have been safely smoothed down and treated like they are
these days.

>>703
It's not all bad, but French restaurants far outnumber German or Scandinavian
ones here (I've never actually seen a German or Scandinavian restaurant - maybe
because our food is so similar, it's mixed in with the English menu). One German
food I like in particular is Schnitzel, with a delicious white cheese sauce and
cauliflower.

>>701
I'd say they were 'Yuppies' (Young Urban Professionals), what we call people who
work all the time, yet try to maintain a 'modern and fashionable' status by trying
to follow (sometimes expensive) fashion trends, nomatter how horrible they look.

>>ALL
Do you speak Japanese well?

>>701
Oh, I see.
I thought those types of walls were just for avant-garde artists.

If you feel like taking photos of your other walls and show us here,
I'd be very intersted.
I hope the colors match with your hats collection^-^v

>>707
Yes, I do.

The questoin reminds me of the very first English sentence I learned in
junior high school, which was 'I speak English.'
But it took me a long long time before I could really say with confidence
that 'I speak English', LOL

>>708
The lighting's not too good at the moment (almost midnight here), but just
took these in artificial lighting.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7200/bathroomwallrv9.jpg
^^^ The bright yellow wall of the bathroom.
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/5559/bedroomwallfa2.jpg
^^^ The pale green wall of the guest bedroom.

The rest of the rooms are repainted now, though, in a cream or magnolia
colour. Most rooms downstairs are wallpapered, so no work is needed on them.
My cousin paints as a hobby, and he has a typical avant-garde artist design
to his walls. His walls are pale brown with random diagonal orange stripes.
He loves the 1960s, and apparently that's what designs were fashionable in
1960s England...

And just because you mentioned them... here's my latest hat:
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9717/deerstalkerushankawf2.jpg
Getting ready for a bitter autumn and cold winter. つД`)

>>707
My spoken Japanese is much worse than my written Japanese. I don't really have
much opportunity to actually practice speaking.

>>710
Gee! Thanx very much for the photos!
As a matter of fact, I like those colors, especially the pale green.

....but the hat.....uhhhh.....I thought we were all facing global-warming,
but obviously, you are going in the opposite direction, LOL
Be careful, not to be mistaken for a Russian when you walk on the street!

>>707

いや、日本語わからない。
ぜんぜんわからん！

>>707
日本語などというもの、拙者、全く存じ上げぬ。

>>695
>tried to subtly mention it
you seem like japanese....lol

>>691

'Guns, Germs, and Steel' does a good job of explaining why Papua New Guinea highlanders for example were
so much further behind in their development than Europe and Asia. Factor endowments basically.... Not really
a revolutionary break through in history. The theory falls pretty much flat on it's face though when you compare
Europe and Asia. China for example had all the same domestic animals as Europe. It had immunity to all the
same diseases and so on. Yet for some reason by the 19th century, Europe had without doubt reached
predominance in terms of territory, wealth, military strength and technological advancement. I think the
reasons for that are far more complex than anything presented in 'Guns, Germs and Steel'.

Anyway I agree there's no way the west is `more civilised' than the East. I don't think a countries level of
civilisation is something that can even be judged, let alone compare.

>>707
ニホンゴワカリマース

but it was worth it just to try it out. The only time I've
had something bad from that place, I just mentioned their steak was a bit too
gristly, and they offered me a replacement meal, a free drink, and gave me a
20% discount card, which I thought was just a one-off. Left it at the counter
the next time, and a member of staff informed me that it had been 'forgotten'
and handed it back. A wonderful South African bar.
-------------------------------------------
イギリス人 is talking about the same restaurant where he had a meal
with a friend today?

> English people also have a
habit of not wanting to try new things

hahaha. sounds nice. stubborn but lovable english gentlemen!

no just hicks

>>707
まだまだ日本語がよくわからん。日本語の文法は英語の文法とぜんぜん違うね。それとも、漢字もとても難しいね。

ところで、英語はちゃんと話すか、それともまだ学んでるだろうか？

>>715, but I think that deviation in power between Europe, the Middle East, and
Asia, in terms of colonized/colonizer is a relatively recent development and one
that under different circumstances could have been reserved. For most of history,
China was in many ways the most powerful political entity in Eurasia. The other
contenders being the Persian, Roman, briefly Arab, and Ottoman Empires, and the Mongolian/Yuan
Empire as well.
China was navigating the seas in large trans-oceanic expeditions long before
European kingdoms started exploring and colonizing Africa. Had it not been for the kind of centralized,
political control that would allow for instance, the banning of Ming China's
Oceanic exploration, or of Japan's political and technological isolation, Asia could have dominated the New
World and reaped the benefits. As it is, a combination of internal competition between small kingdoms to maximize
military technology and a rapid conquest of the New World, meant abundant resources and a very secure place
in terms of power within the last five hundred years. But really only the last five hundred years. We may be now
beginning to witness the reversal of that situation, with the disappearance of European colonial empires, Asian
Empires will once again rise to prominence.
If China is the victim of anything over the last five hundred years, it's of being too organized for its own good.

>>696
I just thought I should mention this, you don't have to access 2chan through the web-site there are a number of
clients for Windows, Mac and even Linux that can be used to read and post on 2chan :). At the very least they'll
remember your ID so you don't have to retype 米人 or アメリカ人 or whatever every time :).

>>719
良くできました。　それとも　を　それに　に代えると
さらに良いです。

>>717
Ahh... sorry for confusing you! The place with the good service (the South African
bar) was a different place to where I was today. Today's place was an English chain-
run bar.

And my uncle used to be like that... if he went to a Chinese restaurant, he would order
only English food. He's also a huge train maniac. I'm sure if he could read Japanese, he
would hang out on the Trains board all the time. He sometimes travels hundreds of miles
just to see a steam engine, and to take photographs of its name and number.

>>720

Of course that's why I think 'Guns, Germs, and Steel' really only does a good job of explaining the differences
between places like Papua New Guinea and developed countries. Also I was careful to say that Europe only
really reached a position of dominance by the 19th century ;). I think the reasons you've presented are a far
more logical explanation anyway.

You should read The Decline of the West, Revolt Against the Modern World!!

>>722
正してくれてありがとう。しかし、僕は間違えたのでよくできたと思わないね。

>>724

Also, I think historians are reluctant to acknowledge the "luck"
factor. In many ways, Europe was just lucky. Things like the Black death, which
initially seem like disasters, ultimately really helped not only build up resistance
to disease, but helped break down the feudal system and develop cities and mercantile
economies.

So you never know how random events might impact your circumstances in the long run!

>>710
You can't resisit wearing gas mask on the street in autumn, can you?
Maybe BBC crews would come and ask for an interview with you, or at least
you cpuld get much attention from everyone. Lucky you.

>>707
私は日本語を少し読める。
話すことがあまりできない。

>>721
And I don't speak computer at all.
I don't know what a client is. I need to go through a proxy server
to post here, and it doesn't remember my ID. Just going to the
site via my regular Windows browser, my ID is remembered, but my posts
are rejected.
Do they try and screen out foreigners here?

>>710
Be careful when you wear gas mask.
The authority would mistake you for a terrorist.

I liked the colors of the walls, including the red in the doorstep.

>>729
By 2chan client I mean a program that runs on your computer, like your web browser except specifically for
posting on 2chan :). The proxy bit is odd though. I don't use one and I have no problems posting here at all...
Maybe it's something to do with whichever ISP you're using. Sometimes web sites will block the address range
of an entire ISP because there's a disproportionate amount of spam .etc. coming from the users on that ISP.

>>732
That's right. They are also trying to ban certain proxy servers for the same reason.
What do you use for 2ch?

>>733
I'm using a client called `Thousand' which is for OSX.
ttp://homepage.mac.com/k_natori/Cocoa/Thousand/index.html

>>734
I'm envious. I'm gonna get a Mac that can run OSX smoothly someday.
I'm using Jane Style on my PC.
http://janestyle.s11.xrea.com/

mac is crap. os9 is worse more.
you can not play free on-line game with mac.
mac is too stupid to know how to run games. windows win. more reasonable.

you should find a job instead of playing games all the time.

>>736
I have better things to do than play games..... usually :D

American National Socialists Workers, United!

Unite!

自民党に抗議のメールを送ろう、福田のような人物が次期総裁では自民党を支持できない。
自民党都道府県支部連合会
http://www.jimin.jp/jimin/jimin/ren/index.html ←ここにメールを！
★福田氏の自民支部、朝鮮籍会長企業から２０万円寄付を受け取る！
福田康夫・元官房長官（衆院群馬４区）が支部長を務める自民党群馬県第４選挙区支部が１９９６年と２００３年、
朝鮮籍の会長と韓国籍の親族が全株式を保有する群馬県高崎市のパチンコ店経営会社から計２０万円の寄付
を受けていたことが２０日、同支部の政治資金収支報告書などでわかった。
会長は０５年に死去するまで在日本朝鮮人総連合会（朝鮮総連）系の在日本朝鮮群馬県商工会の顧問などを
務めていた。０３年の寄付は、福田氏が小泉政権の官房長官時代で、小泉首相（当時）訪朝で北朝鮮が日本人
拉致を認めた後だった。 違反には禁固などの罰則があるが、既に時効（３年）が成立している。
（2007年9月21日3時0分 読売新聞）
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/politics/news/20070921i101.htm 　　　　　コピペ推奨！！

2chって海外から書き込めるの？

>>742
何かﾜﾗﾀ
どんな疑問だよそれｗ

>>743
いや弾かれてるとか聞いたことがあるような気がして。

日本語ｽﾏｿ

>>737-738
warota

>>732
I'm not PC savvy but when you say client in computer terms, doesn't it
mean client computer itself, not a browser which runs on your PC?

A client computer is the one that receives files from a host computer,
which in case of Internet, is a web server as far as I know.

>>746
It all depends on the type of client. In internet terms, a client is an application
which runs locally on a user's system. The client is what connects to the server in
order to retrieve the information.

So in this case, both 'Janestyle' and 'Thousand' are clients which connect to the 2ch
servers.

和訳してもイマイチ分からんような話題だな

>>746
Just to add a bit to イギリス人 explanation. The term internet is derived from the concept of
interconnected networks. Which of course facilitates email, web-browsing and so on :)
The World Wide Web just refers to the idea of inter-linked documents that are accessed through
a web browser. Of course from there we get all the terms like web page etc. We also get the
term web server which is a server that serves web pages via the HTTP protocol. In other words
just one kind of server. E-mail of course is completely separate from the WWW :). Emails are
sent through mail servers using the SMTP protocol and received from mail servers using the
POP protocol.

Anyway the distinction between the different terms may seem pedantic. But it's honestly painful
when people get them wrong.

Hello diversity filth!

I wonder how many foreigners on this site are in fact otakus.

Don't lump all gays altogether as airhead machos like
Village People, please.
Yes, イギリス人 is a homosexual. But he is not a
kind of muscline man, always showing off his erected dick.
He is a picky, snobbish prick.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=AQP_eqbgo4Q
Look at a guy, イギリス人's favorite. He wears a seaman's cap
and tank top! But you can see difference from Village people.

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=KXPq7G4DbOk
イギリス人 always waves arms around like him.

>>752
Hey, don't pick on my boy!
He is more like a gentle, sensitive and sweet type of hottie like this.
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=HBj8YWpNkms

>>751
The only manga I read is "Blame!" by Tsutomu Nihei. And the only anime I've ever liked is Jin-Roh. The Animatrix was decent as well.

Other than that, I really pay no attention to it.

イギリス人 is special.
Marc is a genius. He is the man who comes around every
1000 years.

Don't judge by your mundane concept.

Anyway, we both could agree on homosexuality of イギリス人.

What's going on??

If everyone who posts here has to be homosexual, just remember...
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8MxOseccX4

>>757
I'm not a registered youtube user like you, who registered
to watch gay related movies.
I can't see.
What's this?

>>758
You have to come out to be on our side as he just did.

AGERU! :O

ah geez, leave イギリス人さん alone. he's only like, one of the coolest guys in this thread!

>>751
a lot of people may call themselves otaku here, but they aren't hardly as devoted as japanese otakus. :O
While visiting Tokyo, I wanted to visit akihabara to see if I could see a genuine otaku, but we never went. lol.
I know that otaku are generally regarded as nerds or geeks, but are they ever actually beat up for it? :(
I suppose if they are still in school they might, right? But college otakus are probably left alone.

fuckin japs hello

l'm　genious at all

I hate my English

too bad butbe growing up day by day

I dont fear mistake
keep doing

>>1-1000
Nice boat.

but are they ever actually beat up for it? :(
I suppose if they are still in school they might, right?

I think it depends on the situation.
Otaku usually flock together. so they live separately from another.
I think people get bullied because they are alone or made alone.
That's is not the situation limited to otaku.

Otaku are usually poked fun at but I think they don't care.
They usually have their own world and their fellows.

Being ridiculed doesn't necesalily mean being attacked physically.
Otaku have thier own world and don't keep in touch with others or
kept in touch.
Bullying can occur in every class of people.

And The definition of otaku might be gotten wronglly.
Readking weekly manga magazines like syounen jamp or magazine is
usualy things. Not otaku but many youngsters read them, including
bad boys.
Even many adults read too.
So in this sense, japanese are all otaku. lol

Otaku are regared as more hard-core comic and anime freeks.

Be careful, I'm from Missouri!

ｋｋｋ？

i wish the japanese stop praising the west.
then it would be easier for the kikokushijyos to live.
i hope somebody out there understands what i mean.

>>747, >>749
Thanks for your explanations.

http://img245.imageshack.us/my.php?image=037ge4.jpg
http://img87.imageshack.us/my.php?image=038ae5.jpg
http://img123.imageshack.us/my.php?image=015ky3.jpg

KKK is out of date.
Many racially aware people are converting to National Socialists
or Neo-Nazi.

Speaking of kkk,
Is Klan coming from Clan?

Or.. i am in the wrong place

Otaku is one of the courteous language meant house.

>>720
Do you know many chinse dynasties were not actually ruled by Han people.

You seem to separate Mongol from another chinese dynasties.
But for example, Qing was established by north nomadic tribe.
even typical chinese dynasty, tan dynasty was closely related to
north nomadic tribe.
So theire is no consistent china.

Yes, I gree on the point that another non-Han dynasties
like Qing dynasty tried to assimilate into chinese
culture while mongol was defiant and discriminatory against Han people.

And word "Han people" is another problem. Even in today's china
people from different regions can't communicate each other
with their native language. so they have
to learn the dialect of north china.
http://oshiete1.goo.ne.jp/kotaeru.php3?q=1516732
Chiense respective dialect is regarded as virtual different language,
not as near as English and French are.

or, this word is used when you call 'Taku'(common Japanese name for man).
For example,
"Hi, Miyuki! How've you been?"
"Otaku! It's been a while."

i...was...talking about Otaku...

'Taku'(common Japanese name for man).

What do you mean? Mr.takuma? Takuma is not a common name, rather
rare.
And Takumaさん was a rare japanese, legendary japanese though.

Haha, one of japanese f1 driver's last name is takuma.
Do you know sato takuma?
I suppose americans don't know his name because amricans don't care
much about foreighn sports but their own sports.

>>775
That's right. I guess they just figured that 'KKC' wouldn't have the same feel
to it.

>>782
The Formula 1 Grand prix has quite wide coverage here, usually airing the qualifiers
over midday on the Saturday and live coverage of the race itself on the Sunday. However,
most of the attention these days goes to Lewis Hamilton of McLaren, rather than Sato
of Suger Aguri or Yamamoto of Spyker.

>>760
Haha, hardly! But thanks for your defence.

>>768
I've actually talked to someone who hated real life girls, once. he said he was in love
with some character from an anime series, and had bought some huge pillow with them printed
on it. He had all sorts of little figures of that character too. That was one of the creepiest
things I have ever seen. Oh, and he was American.

>>782
Ah... and on the topic of motorsports, I meant to mention that Kiyonari Ryuichi
has a bigger following here, as British Superbikes Champion, racing for the Honda
team.

huge pillow with them printed
on it

UUUUU. This thing was started by japanese akibakei otakus.

>>784
I know bike sports like MotoGbut are pretty popular in Europe and
many japanse are quite acive.
But we don't have big media coverage about world bike sports.
F1 is broadcasted by fuji TV.
certain japanese bike racer died in the race. But most of japanese didn't know his name untill
the accident, and still now most of japanese can't recall the accident or his name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daijiro_Kato
Senna and Schumacher are more more popular than kato in japan.

I want to add that f1 is not everyone sports like baseball or soccer
here in japan.

Kiyonari Ryuichi

I don't know him either.

http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&q=%22takuma+sato%22&lr=

http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&q=%22takuma+sato%22&lr=

http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&q=takuma+mamoru+&lr=

Hmm. As far as the search results of google are concerned, sato takuma
seems much more famous than kato daijiro in the west.

http://www.google.co.jp/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=ja&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLG_ja___JP225&q=%22daijiro+kato%22
oops. this one.

>>785
I have to agree, F1 is by no means mainstream here, but there are quite a
lot of fans. I'm not really one of them, because watching cars drive around
a course 20 times doesn't really excite me...

However, we get a lot of coverage here because there's a major racing circuit
just a couple miles from here.

>>787
http://www.google.com/trends?q=takuma+sato%2C+daijiro+kato
It seems that Kato Daijiro was much better known in Hungary than anywhere
else...

>>789
Ahh... in Spain and Italy, not Hungary. I should learn to remember what I
post...

watching cars drive around
a course 20 times doesn't really excite me...

Me too. lol many japanese are deluded by fuji media strategy.
f1 is not fun. we are all deluded by image attached to it.
I think many japanese think it dull as well.

Do you know Matt Skelton?
He was a former k-1 fighter, now ranked weight boxer.

I want to know his general name recognition in the uk.

>>791
Yeah, cars constantly go around and around and around and around...

I'd rather watch old people go Lawn Bowling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5gMeXz2YMw
This is real around and around

>>792
He's quite well known, at least to people who watch boxing. Though a lot of
people have heard his name (being British and Commonwealth boxing champion
at some point), not so many people would know him if they saw him.

>>795
Why did you happen to know him rather in detail?
Just through tv or newspaper coverage?

I don't believe you. I'm from Missouri.

Missouri is more kkk than Louisiana?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Six

I wasn't implying kkk.
'I'm from Missouri' is just an American expression.

What do you mean by 'I'm from Missouri'.

I'm from Connecticut.

http://us.altermedia.info/images/dukepislogan400.jpg
I'm from Oklahoma.

>>796
Just through television coverage, I guess. Was bored a couple months ago,
and boxing was on television, so watched it for about 15 minutes. I don't
really know much about him other than his titles.

イギリス人, not gay must have been taken by suprise because
Marc Almons is one of his favorites.

kusomiso technique

Today there are very few truly monoglot Welsh speakers, other
than small children, but individuals still exist who may be considered
less than fluent in English and rarely speak it.

It's unbelievable. White British who can't speak English.
I wanna see them. How can white british live without English?

Newspaper, TV, all sort of things must be in English.
Are they like a part of chinese who study Beijing dialect and read
it but don't use in daily life?

I wonder their English skill is better than average dutch peopple.

>>806
The few people you speak of exist mainly in northern Wales. However, in Wales
it is required that all public signs, announcements and publications be bilingual
in English and Welsh. I think these people live mainly in small villages, where
contact with the rest of the country is quite rare, and so they live quite happily.

Having just been to Amsterdam last weekend, a lot of Dutch people are quite fluent in
English, but then again, it's mainly the people who are interested in travel or who work
in the city who actually try to learn it.

I know more Dutch people than Welsh people who only speak Welsh, so I cannot properly
answer you, sorry.

>Having just been to Amsterdam last weekend
having fun with prostitute and have some marijuana ?
don't just a joke.

>I know more Dutch people than Welsh people
I see.

Do you think welsh people get angry when they are called イギリス人.
(イギリス人 means british people but the origin of イギリス is
England.)
I hear Scottish tend to get angry. And then again
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%E3%83%BBW%E3%83%BB%E3%83%8B%E3%82%B3%E3%83%AB
Clive Williams Nicol was welsh. I presumed that C・W・Nicol was scottish.
I tried to cite him as typical scottish attitude.

He disliked being called イギリス人.
He now call himself cheltic-japanese, not british-japanse or イギリス系japanese.

His ancestries are Normanean. complicating.

I wanted to say "Don't" pay it any mind or words like that.

in japan there is a set of words 'don't mind'ドンマイ.
Sportsman like baseball players used to say this phrase to cheer up
players who missed.
I learned don't mind is japanese-english and never mind is correct.
Is it true? You have no possibility to say "don't mind"?
even if so, "don't mind" is understandable words?

And when you visted Netherland, did you feel dutch people are much taller
than English?

I'm from (a show-me person from) Missouri.
〔相手に自分は疑い深いということを示す表現〕

a show-me person?
Does it mean show-me-any evidence person?

>>808
Yeah, Welsh people definitely become annoyed if called English, but less so
is called British. However, people from northern Wales are the most nationalistic
and often pretend they cannot understand English people.

As for CW Nicol, even though he has Japanese citizenship and has been living there
for about 45 years, everyone here would still consider him Welsh or British, rather
than 'Celtic-Japanese'.

>>809
Hmm... I see what you're saying. In sports, a teammate might say "Never mind, we can
always try again". In English, "don't mind" is used in a couple situations.

1. If you're visiting (for example) a friend, and they have a small child. The small
child is probably annoying, so your parent might say "don't mind him". Meaning just
ignore him.
2. If you're out with friends, they might say "Where should we go?" and if you can't
decide, you might say "I don't mind", meaning wherever is chosen is okay for you.

We don't use it in place of "never mind" though.

And to answer your other question, yes. I'm 184cm tall, which is a little taller than
average here. In Holland, however, most people seemed to be taller than me.

>>812
Have you been to Spain recently?
Just curious.

I'm 184cm tall

nice-looking! you have good gene. a diplomat's son!

>>812
so you can say almost that don't mind（ドンマイ) is japanese
engrish(和製英語), right?

>>813
I've never actually been to Spain. Planning on maybe visiting in a couple years
though.

>>814
In that context, I'd very much agree with you that it's Japanese-English.

http://www.guy-sports.com/fun_pictures/smoking_walking.jpg
I don't know what is wrong..

>>809
`Don't mind' is certainly an English expression. ドンマイ on the other hand is not :). No English speaker would say
"Don Mi". ドンマイ is rather a Japanese contraction of an English expression. `Never mind' has a different meaning to
don't mind. `Never mind' means who cares lets move on. `Don't mind' means `don't care', although only `don't mind'
can be used on its own. `Don't care' has to be used as part of a proper sentence.

>>817
Where are you from?
I am asking about don't mind. I know don mai is japanese contraction
and not correct..
イギリス人 seem to think the other way aroud.

Let's say for example that When in baseball, somebody make an error
or strikes out. Can I say to him "Don't mind!" to cheer him him
or boost the mood?

No. Just cut it out.

>>815
Thanks.
I thought I might have seen you at Heathrow because the guy was about
185cm tall and wearing a bizzar hat on!

>>818
No, while it makes some sense, it just sounds odd.

Instead, you'd say "Never mind!" or "Who cares?".

Hope that helps.

use feet. no cm

>> 822 measuring stuff in "feet" is barbaric.
Get with the times.

>>818
Sorry I should have posted that with my ID set. I wasn't posting from my
usual computer though. I don't think what I said disagrees with
what イギリス人 said. In a situation such as a sports game `never mind'
is a better expression to use :). However ドンマイ does come from the
expression `don't mind', although it would seem to be a misuse of the
expression.

*yawn*

I've slept so much today, yet oddly enough, I'm still kind of tired
(at least mentally).

In any case, what's up folks?

It's 4pm here. I woke up half an hour ago.
Holy shit, I need a job.

>>826

Haha, I know the feeling.
I've done a small project to make a little money, but I need to
get an actual job soon. Gas and car insurance isn't going to pay
for itself, after all... and driving to and from class certainly
eats up gas. I have some grant money coming to me soon, but that's
not going to be enough for the entire semester as far as living
expenses go, so I'll need to find work somewhere. Applied a couple
places yesterday, hopefully they'll hire.

>>825
I don't know the mental part, but in general, if you drink a lot at night,
you'll end up feeling tired when you wake up, because while you are
asleep, your body needs to break down the alcohol.
Come to think of it though, did you happen to be under-aged for drinking?

Where is Chairman Meow? I feel like petting a kitten other than mine right now.

I think he is too proud to be being petted by a human, LOL~~

I think he would order humans to pet him though.

Who is big brother of Namihei?

wow, I never knew he had a twin brother.
磯野海平（いその うみへい）

サザエさんの登場人物
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%A3%AF%E9%87%8E%E6%B5%B7%E5%B9%B3

This is an outrage! Crunch time.

>>829
I will permit you to pet any of my high ranking government officials. But in
return, I would like to know what your kitten looks like, and his or her name.

>>830
Just remember that several thousand years ago in Egypt, all cats were considered
(rightfully so) sacred. In some cases, it meant death just to touch one without the
permission of a priest. However, just as the cat goddess Bastet had human slaves
to fan her during the hot days, as >>831 says, I would order some to pet me after a
hard day at work, running the glorious PRC.

>>835
Maybe you think it's funny to act like a cat, but actually it's not
funny at all. I would go as far as to say it's extremely annoying.

I will get blushed chatting with イギリス人 after I learned
his stature.
I'm a male though.

He is handsome, plus, tender!

>>838
Cats are also tender. And delicious.

In Canada it is customary to eat at least one cat every week.

Actually, it's the law. If you don't do it, the RCMP comes to your house and breaks your nose.

Seriously.

みなさん、週間１位にするためにご協力ください！

日本文化チャンネル桜　緊急爆弾
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm1114451

リンクもどんどん貼ってください！

福田総理は日テレ・読売の策略だそうです

It was only a comparison with Dutch people!

>>839
This is true. When I was visiting my sister last year, a mounted police officer
stopped me on the street and asked if I'd eaten a cat yet. Of course, I thought
he was being stupid and said "no", but he gave me a warning.

Made sure to eat a cat when I got back to the hotel. I don't think being punched
in the nose would be fun. Be thankful for カナダ人's warning.

>>841
I'm just trying to make the world a safer place. Some may call me a hero... But I'm just doing what's right.

>>842

>But I'm just doing what's right.

You mean But I've been doing what is not right?

>>835
I am honored to pet your fellow kittens. I cannot disclose my kitten's name, however, because
he is a legitimate heir to the throne of a certain nyanko kingdom somewhere in the world and
that would put him in danger of a sniper fire, explosive device or nuclear attack at worst.
Sorry, he is too noble.

BTW, don't you have any resistance forces in canada? My kitty wouldn't mind sending some troops
over there. If you need some help, let me know.

>>843
HOW DARE YOU, SIR.

>>844
That won't be necessary. However, I wouldn't mind if you sent your kitten over here, to Canada.
So I can sink my teeth into the situation.

very simple logic. let him have a great feeling. let him feel comfortable.

If you want someone or the legitimate heir to the throone comes back
to the kingdom and let him do his
work without any trouble, what should people around do for him?

Very easy. Let him have a motivation. Once he finds that
is worthwhile to work for the people there, he would do.
If he WANTS to do it, he just do it. But what have you been doing to
him? do spiteful things only. you are too persistent.
he lost his motivation ages ago. just leave him alone.

this thread is funny

http://academy6.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1190263438/l50

>>845
Oh, I thought you were toothless for some reason.

So I can sink my teeth into the situation

What does it mean? idiom?

>>849
To get involved in something, usually with enthusiasm.

"The actor's new role as Dracula gave him something to sink his teeth into."
"The student really sunk his teeth into his studies."

Sorry, the first one really had to be done.

>>850
you sound stuipid, lol~~

thank you.＃⌒∇⌒＃)ゞ

>>852 is for >>850

I've been away, so I'm way behind on this thread...

>>732 >>746 >>747 >>749
Thank you for your explanations! They are a big help!

>>835
Welcome back, Chairman Meow! We've missed you.

>>836
Party-pooper.

>>839 >>841
Northern barbarians (or half-barbarians).

Today on the Nantucket ferry, I sat near an Army vet with a badly
injured leg who was trying to get surfing included in his physical
therapy program. He seemed like a nice guy, and I hope it works out
for him.

>>847
I have been trying very hard to read this thread, but my Japanese
just isn't good enough.
Is this a thread where people complain about Westerners?
I think the 1st post was something like "I thought it would be
fun to chat with foreigners, so I learned English, but when I
started reading foreign newspapers, I ended up disliking
foreigners."
That's probably a bad translation, sorry.

>>855
XD

I can understand that.

hello! Anybody here?

"Just to little old me."
Please tell me the meaning of the last phrase from this beautiful song, "Tonight you belong to me".
http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=StV7tCE04tk

I love this song, and can't understand the lyrics very much.
Who is old? that lady?
Thank you in advance.

836 is just not considerate.
just articulate.

>>857

"... but tonight, you belong to me. Just-a-little old me."

Little-old [something] like, "look at that little-old house".
is a slightly old-fashioned form of endearment. You say it to make
something, or someone seem small and harmless, or cute, although you
probably wouldn't use it to describe children, since they aren't old.

When used on yourself, such as in the song "little old me" it derives from a
form of exaggerated modesty to make oneself seem less important or capable,
sometimes for a comic or maybe sarcastic effect.

>>857
Cute!
>>859 explained it well.
Here are the complete lyrics:
I know I know you belong to somebody new
But tonight you belong to me.

Although we're apart
you're part of my heart
and tonight you belong to me.

Way down by the stream
how sweet it would seem
once more just to dream
in the moonlight
My honey I know I know
with the dawn
that you will be gone

but tonight you belong to me
just a little old me

It's an old song; it was written in 1926. That explains the old-
fashioned lyrics.

>>860
Did you get to go to Nantucket island?
I envy you!
Quite a long time ago, I encountered pupri named 'Nuntucket Briar' at
Crabtree & Evelyn and I loved the smell, and quite recently, I've seen
'Nuntucket basckets' introduced on magazines for women (which I am) and
they look very beautiful but extremely expensive!
If you went to the island, did you get to see lots of basckets and maybe
bought one or two?
I'm a baskcet-freak, so.

>861
X pupri
O potpourri

>>859
>>860

I've got it!
I misheard "just-a" as "just to", and didn't know the using of"little old".
Even these simple words are difficult for me, but it's interesting to study English.

Thank you very much for your in-depth explanations and the complete lyrics!

↑kichigai

↑agree

Seems like you are old,

>>866
zwen zwenn u?

>>861
I was on Nantucket to fulfill family obligations (a wedding I had to
attend), so I didn't do much shopping or sightseeing this time.
But did you know that you can order most any special thing from
Nantucket via the island website? I don't know if they ship overseas;
they might (for a price!).
Anyways, here is the link. You might enjoy looking at the baskets (under
"specialty items") plus there are miniature gold lightship baskets which
are made into jewelry, sold by such shops as "Diana Kim", "The Golden
Basket" and "Jewel of the Isle". Have fun browsing!
http://www.nantucket.net/catalog/index.php