Debate in English (英語で討論)

Let's debate on it.

The 1st Prososition:
"A thread for debate is helpful to English learners on 2ch BBS users."

State which side (pro or con) you stand and make your argument.

You usually don't get people with enough intelligence for debate on this board anyway.

Any English on this board will probably be helpful to at least some
English learners in some sort of way. Therefore a debate thread
by simple virture of being in English will be beneficial.

that's all

It`s hard to just say "Let`s debate" without a good topic.
I think that debates are only fun when you actually get
into it so we would need to find a good topic before anything.

Then, the second one: Who is the cuttiest Japanese girl?

>>6
you can't debate that because its totally based on personal opinion
without substantiating facts. There is no way you can legitmately argue
that one girl is cuter than another. Debating personal perfences just turns into verbal (or in this case text) insults being
hurling contests

>>7
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
But I have a feeling that >>6 made its proposal as a mere joke.
Let's see what does >>6 have to say for itself.

Don't pikking my heart!

Padome?

>>2
I am on the pro-side.

Debate sessions on the Internet can be more productive than the ordinary ones in the aspect
of variety of participants. 2ch BBS is open for any PC users around the world who have access to the Net
which would enable them to disscuss on a certain issue in much broader perspectives.

Yet this merit of easy accessibility can also be a demerit for it will be easy for the
ill-willed or bad mannered posters to make a mess as they likely to do.
However, whether this disadvantageous factor surpass the merit given above remains skeptical.

>>11

I think if you get to pick the side then you agree on being 2nd in presenting your argument.

>>12
Do we have to strickly obey the rules of debate?
In that case, the rules should have been specified before starting to debate.
Personally I think strick obedience to the rules makes this thread less exciting.

hey
I know it's hard to be a hicky , but next time try to not creat new stupid thread!
we already have 3 english threads!

i am hikikomori
please dont be rude to me. last time i leaved my house was february

>>15
Not a single step outside? You are... SOME stuff!

>>11
Ok, then I will do the negative.
What makes you say that the variety of participants make the debate more productive?

Suppose 3 kinds of a debate by 3 participants.
1st one is by 1 elementary school student, 1 high school student, and 1 college student.
2nd one is by 1 so called "kousotu", 1 business man, and 1 hosewife.
3rd one is by 3 college students.
4th one is by 3 elementary school students.

Which do you think would be the best debate?
I think 3rd and 4th one are.
The reason is that debaters must be as logical or educated as other debaters.
You have to understand the arguments at the same logical level to refute them.
For example, it may sound very convincing and a good argument for elementary students to say "My mom told me it's good to debate in 2ch.".
On the other hand, this argument doesn't make sense at all to a college student.

Therefore, even if there is no ill-mannered participants, debating on 2ch sucks because of its variety of participants.

It may be helpful to have varied participants if you are looking for a good answer.
However, debate is just a game to win or lose, not a game to find a good general answer with lots of view aspects.
If you aim at the latter, don't debate but discuss.

>>Suppose 3 kinds of a debate by 3 participants.
sry, 4 kinds

>>18
Then specify the rules first.

>>6
Yukorin is the hottest here in this board, but in my opinion
Abiru You looks exotic and attactive. She says her looks are similar
to people from west Asia, and I think it's true. Abiru is beautiful.

>>20
fuck off and die!

>>21
This is the thread for debates. So you must not belittle it.

>>22
but as stated in >>7 debating preference in idols cannot doesn't work.
so therefore it is okay to belittle >>20.
And besides what >>20 said has nothing to do with debating, he is just
stating personal opinion without facts to back it up. There is no solid
arguement, so it does not belong in the debating thread. So once again,
it is okay to belittle him

Debate on yukorin is worthless, it's just wasting time. NEETs have free time at all times, so they like talking about yukorin.
I think so.

So all of us have to stick to Yukorin.
Debating who is the best is worthless, but we need to discuss what's
best about her-her face, her voice, or her figure. That's our topic.

WHO THE HELL IS YUKORIN?
CUT IT OUT!

Yamazaki Mami has got popular among English learners in Japan.
It's because she is learning the language as well. As for me,
I don't know about her very much except she appears in some TV
commercials and the TV show in which she is studying.
What's your opinion on her? What is the key to success if a girl
want to be a talent?

Having cute faces is always needed, but is that all?

>>27
First-rate idols are all cute. But it's quite a different
story when it comes to actresses. Looking around on the street,
you can be sure not all female are beautiful. TV dramas which
describes everyday life need such a female.

>>25
Fuck off and die!
>>27
that has nothing to do with debating, go back the the normal chatter
thread if you want to talk about such stupid things

>>17
To begin with, I see no definite rules of "debate" defined above and it prompted me to argue in a somewhat off-hand manner.
I do not deny that debate is an intellectual game (or sport) of win or lose, but as there's no specific ruls given to us
I thought it might as well be a place for exchanging of ideas and counter arguments.

Secondly, your theory in which you argued that debate on 2ch BBS sucks for its variety of participants, seems to be based on
an assumption that 2ch BBS is inhabited by unintelligent users who cannot say anything productive.
I cannot give you hard evidence which proves my point but I've seen many intellectual posters making thought-provoking remarks here on
2ch BBS, and that includes you.

Last and certainly least, I do not wish to talk about Yukoirn.

You are excellent!

GET A FUCK OFF !!

>>12
I'm afraid to say but I do not understand what you mean.

lucky people are not actually lucky.

>>28
You meant idols must be cute, didn't you?
Then I agree to your idea. I haven't seen ugly idols on TV.

In other threads we take with a grain of salt what UP says.
He's somewhat crazy.

A big disputable topic: Idols farts or never farts?

>>37
Don't be stupid. Everyone farts. Its a natural function of the
body and cannot really be helped.

This thread has just turned into another chatter thread. I dobut
debating is possible...

You said everyone farts but then how about Jesus Christ?
Did he fart as well as us? The God farts?
I don't think so. Idols never farts. That's my argument.

It's no use to go on debating unless someone specifies the rules.
If nobody specifies the rules, then we can use this thread for
discussing various topics (except for topics on idols and dirty talks).

>>39
If Jesus was a human man then yes he farted. If he was the son of God, then
I don't know. To answer you would first have to prove that Jesus
exsisted, and secondly some how prove that God exsists so what you
said is really just bullshit.

Plus why are you comparing idols to God or to gods? You make no
concrete connection between the two. You give no
explaination of your argument, so you really have no argument.

So, sorry but you're wrong. Because idols are human and humans fart
idols fart.

Don't mix idols with actresses.
Abiru You is not an idol, she's a good actress who acted in a
film produced by Horiemon.

>>42
So, Oguro Yuko, MEGUMI and Ono Mayumi has "acted" as well.
Abiru is basically an idol or a talent. I wouldn't really call
her an actress

>>41
What it boils down to is idols fart because they are human being?
I'm sorry but you're so wrong I was dumbfounded.
Let me put it in perspective.
The god never farts because he's not human as Yukorin, who's from
the Korin planet, doesn't. As you know Yukorin is an famous idol.
So you couldn't say idols never fart.

アイドルの話は他でお願いします。

>>43
How do you difine girls as idols?
And what are actresses? You should explain it, dude.

Oh, you are wrong.>>44
Yokorin said her fart smelt like vanilla. So Korinian people
also fart like us, though theirs are very aromatic.

>>47
If she said so, I have to admit that Yukorin also fart..
People say other idols never fart and I believe it's true, though.

>>48
Face the reality. Idols are human girls, and their fart sometimes
smells awful like rotten fish, you know.

>>49
Unlike girls on the earth, Korinian girls' fart smells good.

>>46
He has no definition of the matter. Seems like he just wanted to
trick you. So it's best to ignore him.

Do you still call a girl over 25 an idol?
I think actresses and idols have age limits. I mean,
as idols get older, they become an actress. Something like
wooms become butterflies.

>>52
but what about idols who never act? what happens when they turn
25?

I would define an actress as a woman whose main occupation is acting
on stage, in film or on television. So idols are not actresses,
and neither is MEGUMI or Ono Mayumi since they're main jobs are as
talents or as gurave idols. Since Abiru Yu is also mainly a talent
I wouldn't call her an actress either.

>>51
you fuck off!

>>44
how can you compare Ogura Yuko to god?
And why keep lying to yourself. Yuko is just a human. she is not
an alien. And of course she farts because she is merely human.
You are just another pathetic fanboy and after she turns 25 you
won't care about her anyway.

Well thanks to the idol fuckos the debate thread has turned into
yet another retarded chat thread. I swear that if I ever see Ogura Yuko
and Im going to slap her so hard for claiming that she is an alien
and making all you fuck-ups write about it here.

She needs to be slapped hard!

>>55
I swear that if I ever see Ogura Yuko
and Im going to slap her so hard

before making fun of anyone else, Ogura Yuko and Im going to-
makes no sense at all you should take out the 'and' if you don't I'll end up slapping you so hard lmao

>>56
what an Imao?
and the extra "and" is just a typo from typing too fast. Sorry Mr. Perfect.
And umm..what is your point exactly?

I hate Yukorin

>>57
damnit!
there should be an "'s" after the what. I don't want you making
a fuss over my typos again.

Hey, idol otakus, go to the dirty talk thread!

We won't stop debating about yukorin and idol.

>>61
Don't you understand you're not wanted on this thread?

idols are our only medicines to make our misery weaker

>>61
but you're not debating, you're just talking about her and
spreading your opinions without any facts or ways to really argue that
what you are saying is right.
So you should leave.

>>63
okay. but not in this thread. go to dirty talk one or make a new one for your pleasure.

>>63
that is your problem. You don't need to talk about it here though
go back the normal chatter thread

>>66
they are not wanted on the "chat" thread, as well.
they should either go to dirty talk one or make a new one.

I hate to have a chat on idol on dirty thread, that thread is only porn

>>67
I agree they should make their own.
but chatter thread has not set topic or format so they could go
there and talk about idols and those who don't like it can ignore
them and talk about something else

>>68
Then make a new thread. That's the only solution for you and us.

We need to make our friendship deeper while enjoying about Fukakyon, Hasegawa kyoko and Mami Yamasaki

>>68
what is the difference? You only like to look at your idols that
you obsess over? You don't want to have sex with them? They are
not your fantasy? Dirty talk thread it suited for you

>>1

Set the rules! Specify them so we don't have the morons coming to this thread!

>>71
I like Fukada Kyoko and Hasegawa Kyoko. They're not idols in my
opinion. But I don't want to talk about them. Especially not in
a debate thread.

Go somewhere else to do that

I like a movie called shimotsuma story with fukada kyoko

>>75
Is fuka kyon an idol or an actress?
What do you think about the difference between those occupations?

>>74
Fukada Kyoko should be categorized as an idol because she does
various things such as singing, acting and what not. But all of her
activities comes from her cuteness which is required to be an idol.
On the other hand, Hasegawa Kyoko was a model before becoming an actress.

We have to make it clear what idols/actresses are like.

>>76
Idols mostly just stand around and smile or wear bikinis or
sometimes they are like talents. sometimes they get to act.
Actresses main job is to act. they appear in magazines for PR and
interviews.

I don't really see how Fukada Kyoko is an idol?
Would you call Kouyuki and idol? or Nakama Yukie?

>>77
She has given up singing. What else has she done?
And besides her main activity has always been acting. She is not
an idol. And all actresses in Japan who are not playing the role
of mothers or grandmothers are cute. Maybe there are some plain
looking actresses but their numbers are very small. So I think
being cute has nothing to do with seperating idol from actress

I love MORMING MUSUMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

mucha kawayui moe moe

>>78
your defintion of an idol seems to be outdated if you say that idols
are cute girls who do various things. Those days are over I think.
Yamasaki Mami really doesn't do anything but you would call her
and idol correct? Idols seem to just be cute girls that really
don't have any special skills or talents. It is only sometimes
that they end up doing things like singing or acting, but it
is never their main job.

This thread has become completely worthless.

Fuck you idol idiots.

>>78
I like your idea. I couldn't have explained it better myself.
Yes, idols does lots of things, wearing bathing suits.
So I'd call a such girl an idol.
Actresses don't do that, especially in cheesecakes or something like that.

I guess you'll agree that Fukada Kyoko WAS an idol, at least
before that shimotsuma story, right?

>>79
Tell us about your diffinition, please.

>>84
I always thought Fukada Kyoko was just a drama actress before the
Shimotsuma. Like Ayase Haruka is now, or something like that.
I never really thought of Fukada Kyoko as an idol. Maybe im wrong
though

>>85
I pretty much have several times now. Go read earlier posts
again

>>82
It seems you are standing on >>78's position.
That Yamasaki girl doesn't do anything (but she smiles to males
and sings badly and wear bikinis in a magazine, doesn't she?)

You love yukorin. that means you are quite idiots, that's all.

>>88
I didn't know she sings. And I don't count smiling and wearing
bikinis as doing anything, even though it is her main occupation.
She basically does nothing that requires talent or skill.

>>79
>And all actresses in Japan who are not playing the role
>of mothers or grandmothers are cute
Who are you reffering to? Can you take an example? Mori mityuko?

There are few pretty in yellow cab and its devided company

>>90
I said Your "She basically does nothing that requires talent or skill."
idea was not different from the one 30 years ago. Get it?

>>92
What are you saying?

Becky is not so pretty. she'sa bit lower than average i bet.

Here's a topic for debate: Do you think that there's a gap between how Japanese people perceive themselves and how they are perceived by people outside Japan?
I have a feeling that Japanese people tend to think that they are at the centre of the Earth and that somehow everybody would have some interest in them, but the reality
is that most people outside of Japan don't know much about or care about Japan. Japanese people have a weird habit of trying to explain their so-called uniqueness to foreigners,
but noone cares

Let me put together your opinions.
1. Idols are people with no skills such as singing and acting.
2. Fukada Kyoko sings well and acts nicely.
3. On the other side of the coin, Yamazaki Mami doesn't.
4. So we should call Y.Mami an idol, but not F.Kyoko.

Is that right?

I wonder if there is an idol nerd in US or UK, other countries.
for example, hilary duff or britney spears nerds. of course their nerds are fatty, wearing thick glasses, and stink?

i dont understand you >>96
japan is just a country with 2nd world's economy
what do you mean by that?

>>95
Do you define her as an idol?

>>96
Read the atmosphere. Get out.

>>97
its over simplified but basically yes

>>98
FOR YOUR INFORMATION, BECKY IS HALF ENGLISH!!!!

what even worste then idols geeks is animation geeks.
I can't tell you how do i hate them. idiots, and geeks.

I haven't seen a program Girls A go go recently

>>100
you get out. This thread is no longer about debating so anything
is okay. This is not the idol thread

let's talk about how we all hate animation geeks! I even afraid to enter akihabara!

Becky is not preety! She is just busaiku such as yuko ogura!

who isnt busaiku ?

does there really need to be a definition of idol?
It just seems that Japan has more useless people who are a little
bit famous than anywhere else in the world.

And in America and England they don't consider people like Hilary Duff
an idol. They consider them as singers (pop stars) or actresses
or sometimes they just say singer/actress. Japan is the only
place the concept of idol and its stupid

Do you want to touch Fukada Kyoko's ample arms?

you are morons.lol
you are idiots.lol
you are crazy.lol
you are fatty.lol
you are neets.lol

>>107
Who's your favorite, anyway?
Don't say Yamazaki Mami, OK?

>>110
what do you mean ample arms? Are you calling her chubby?
She certainly was for a while but now is skinny.

I am bored of talking about idol. change the topic please.

>>109
Namely, idol culture and idol nerds are quite peculiar to Japan. is it right?

This thread is pathetic. Go make your own idol thread and leave
this thread alone

>>109
How about Britney Spires?
She must be the icon of idols all over the world.

yukie nakama is cute

Hey, hey, hey.
Britney is pretty and sings well, and what's more, people
call her an idol. We have to re-difine what it takes to be
an idol.

>>112
yeah she's pretty

>>115
that is right.
>>117
But she is not considered an idol. Maybe in Japan but in the rest
of the world she is just considered a pop-star. Only Japan has
the idea of idols. Only Japan pays girls to do nothing but smile
and wear bikinis and makes them sort of famous

>>118
She played a good teacher, didn't she?

>>119
nobody outside of Japan calls Britney an idol.
And she actually does not sing that well. Her producers use 3 different
vocal mixing machines to make her sound as she does.

Ayaya is also busaiku

>>124
and she is in too many commericals. Im tired of seeing her face

what are you listening recently? I like german band Lali Puna

>>121
No, you're wrong.
American consider her an idol.
Google it.

>>125
I'll say.
Why is she this popular?

Satomi Ishihara acts a clean, chaste, feminine, and beautiful woman in lots of play she appears.
But that makes me have a few doubt.

It's called pop-idols. for example some of americans girls go crazy about
boys bands.

American girls of course hate male idol nerds like Japan. is that right?

Ayaya is sure of her cuteness which I dislike and that gets on my nerves.

Let's call it a day.

110: Read the atmosphere?Fuck you dickhead you can't even use English properly.
'Read the atmosphere' is Japanese English. Go back to Akihabara and wank off over pictures of little girls.

Idol nerds are very ugly ,fatty and haven't had a girlfriend before,
that's common sense blobally I bet

>>127
No you're wrong! I am an american. And we don't use the word
idol. Maybe some fansites call her a pop-idol but no one would ever use that
in a conversation. Besides in the meaning of pop-idol and the way
Japanese use the term idol seem really different.

what you are so angry >>134 ?

Does the Japanese professional baseball require reforming?
MLB is superior to JLB?

This is the topic I decide on to share with you all.
What's your opinion?
Nagashima can lead JLB to success again?

>>96
I think there is a huge gap between how we perceive ourselves and how foreign poeple
perceive us. And I also think that Japanese people are often too self-conscious of
ourselves and try to explain our way of thinking without being wanted to do so.
Indeed, nationalism carried to excess shows unhealthiness of mind but the right amount
of love and dignity toward the "unique" culture of ours is what motivates us to
strive for the better future.

>>139
what is so unique at our culture?

pop-idol is a common word. I dont really understand you, american guy.
whats the diffrence between american fanatic girls and japanese idols nerds?
it's both pathetic cases.
when I see on MTV stupid girls yells and crying when they see pop-stars
it's make me sick

>>140
it's only because ASIA and WEST is two diffrent worlds. western people dont understand
japanese and asian cultures, and they call it unique.

>>134
You are not used to English...
Read the atmosphere, idiot, go where you belong, and
never get back here.

If Japan sends Yukorin in pop-markets in US and UK.
It's very clearly for both men to hate yukorin. it'll resultin disaster.
all women in addition to men hate yukorin. yukorin shouldn't be exported to foreign market.

>>140
I was just quoting the term that Mr >>96 chose in his/her remark.
Any country is unique after their own fashion I suppose.

>>138
I don't like MLB. It's not worthwhile to watch it.
If there're not Japanese players in the league, we don't
bother to watch any game because it's boring.

>>141
its different because the basis for a POP-idol is that fact that
you are a POP singer. First and foremost you job is to sing POP-music.
Idol in Japan just means a cute girl that does basically nothing.
and in America they don't exsist nor does the concept of them exsist.
It seems only in Japan are young girls able to make a short career
of doing nothing more than smiling when told to. That is the difference.
Do you get it?

but in regards to screaming little girls, and idol nerds I agree
with you that they are bascially the same.

>>142
where does Asia end and the West begin?

>>146
how is MBL and different from JLB? its all baseball so it is all
boring

（　＠盆＠）＜馬鹿な奴らだなあ

>>147
many idols have a singing career too. even yuko ogura! and they starring in movies
and TV dramas.

but in west there are a lot of fashion models who does nothing. what do you
think about it? and have a tons of fans!
as for me
I think fashion models is the people with a lot of skill in desing and with
very good taste, but they use their skill on themself. turning themselfs into
some kind of art.

Do you know?
They decided baseball is not chosen in the 2012 olympic,
because it's not popular. Only a few countries such as
America like it. Most people like succer better.LOL

137: I'm not angry, but if you don't understand the real useage of swear words I can understand why you would misconstrue it that way

>>148
it's impossible to tell. but its possible to know that in the world there are
a lot of diffrent people who will never understand each other

>>149
MLB is boring but JLB is interesting.
I guess it's because players in JLB has greater skills
and get people enchanted. MLB should work hard and find good
players.

Rosa Kato is beautiful enough to get along with EU-USA movie market I bet.

I don't know the suitable word burikko in English

>>155
I forget to tell you this.
Only Ichiro is superb. He hit 262 hits last year.
No one but himself can break the record.

>>142
One dictionary close at my hand difines the term "unique" as:

being the only one of its kind; having no like, equal or parallel.

Well then, what is not unique about Japan?"

ryoko hirosue is already played a role in a popular EU movie

142: By saying that Westerners don't understand Asian cultures you are actually implying that they are unique.
Anyway, it sees to me that it is more of a national obsession of Japanese people to try and constantly define who they are by making endless comparisons with other countries.
The term 我々日本人。。。is often used to try and portray some homogenised version of Japanese culture or 'Japanese perspective', but the reality is that there is a lot more cultural diversity in Japan
than most Japanese people are aware of.

>>149
Completely.

>>151
No Yuko released a single that displayed her horrible singing voice
in the hopes the all her creepy fans would buy it. That is not a
singing career. And yes some of them are allowed to act, not because
they have talent because of what they look like and how many fans they
already have, in most cases.

Fashion models in America usually only have fans once they become
"super models." I don't know how they do that. A fashion models job
is showcase a designer and like you said turn themselves into art in a sense,
that is a little different from standing around in a
bikini or smiling when told to. But they sort of similar i guess.

My real point is that in America we don't have the concept or idea of
idols like Japan does. We have plenty of models who are photographed in
bikinis and smile but we just call them models and no one knows who
they are unless they somehow get an acting or singing job. The we either
call them singers or actresses.

RH is more slut than yukorin! She should stay outside TV!

i think burikko is 'child woman'

>>161:the reality is that there is a lot more cultural diversity in Japan
than most Japanese people are aware of.

What's that?

The question is not whether or not there are some unique aspects of Japanese culture, the question is why this issue is always on Japanese peoples minds?
Why is there always this need to try and distinguish ourselves from other countries. It is definetely strange for foreigners when Japanese are always trying to emphasise their uniqueness.

Even idol nerds have the right to live in Japan.
They are happy. When do you think they die out?
I guess it's so soon that you can see them disapper.

idol nerds in Japan devote to economy in a way I bet.
Fukakyon and yukorin are similar stupid idol with no so pretty

>>167
It's because some foreigners often points out some differences
between them. It's all your fault, moron.

well i dont know.
but in west(not only west, in the whole world)
there are a lot of talent-less popstars who can't do anything
and the whole concept of popstars is the making money. same for idols.
so I dont see very big difference.

>>164
She was my favorite years and years ago.

Zani-zu is completely idiot company which sell out Yamato spirits

>>166
well you have large resident korean populations,
and chinese and Brailizians. Many Okinawians dont feel that
they are really Japanese, but yet they are a part of Japan.

Plus many statements that try explain Japan as unique make it
sound like all Japanese think and act the same. If this was true
there would be no freeters or NEETs, etc.

>>170
what makes you think >>167 is foreign?

170: Yeah right! Most foreigners couldn't care less about Japan. I want you to go to an average bookshop in Japan and look at the huge number of books there are on theories of Japanese people or cultural uniqueness.日本人論・日本文化論
Most countries aren't this obsessed with trying to 'create' their identity and uniqueness.

You are idiots!!!!!!!!!!

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http://academy3.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1120916116/9

>>167
americans seem to the same though. don't they say things like
"the american way" and what not?

>>176
You need to study anthropology.

>>180
why?

179: Yes, but this American way can be applied to anybody regardless of ethnicity. Japan's conceptions of homogeniety are more often than not based in theories of biological determinism.
There is an ideology in Japan that conveniently uses the myth of a Japanese 'race' to create a country of people that are obedient and easily manipulated.

So, let's go back to idols.
Yukorin is the icon of idols in Japan. No doubt about it.
She is cute but couldn't do anything special. But that
makes Japanese males feel superior and so she's popular.
The less wise, the better.

>>182
so i take it you're not japanese

180; You need to study debating.

>>183
fuck you!
just when this thread was becoming interesting you want to go
talk to stupid idol talk?

go wank off to you yukorin dvd

183: Yes, I strongly agree with you. But what I have in mind is if a cute girl
is talented, she couldn't make it as an idol. Britney sure is not wise and behaves
herself, though. Maybe it's true everywhere idols' popularity depends on
only cuteness.

186: A ha ha! Well done! 184: What makes you think that? It's possible to be Japanese and objective/ critical at the same time isn't it?

>>188
yes it is possible, but rare. we don't question such ideas
that often

i dont think Britney Spears is not talent. not talent girl just can't made herself a
pop star.

184: No, I'm not. I like to know about Japanese pop-idols more than anything.
Could you tell me who's the hottest in Japan now? In truth, though, I don't take
it seriously that Yukorin is most popular among japanese males.

Seriously, you guys talking about fucking idols all day need to get real girlfriends that you can satisfy!

190: Do you also believe Britney Spears cuts the cheese and it smells like
rotten fish?

>>193
why not? She got pregnant so I bet she farts too

189: Yes that is true and it further confirms what I was saying about Japanese people.
Too often we tend not to question things but I have my doubts about this authoritarian aspect of Japanese culture.

>>193
what? listen dude. no talened guy can become rich. but she is rich.
she is not artist of course. but she have amazing career.

192: I thought you said you loved Yamazaki Mami.

196: She is rich because she is a good singer and very sexy. If you don't call it a talent,
what do you call it?

You cunts are really fucked up ay.Even more than I thought. No wonder Japanese guys aren't very attractive overseas

195: Just because you are jelous of Britney becoming rich and happy doesn't mean
you can call her a name. I hate it when people are talking behind her back.

200: Ha ha. You truly are a fucking friek aren't you? Britney is a fat, ugly bitch with bad acne now so her sexy days are over.
By the way, don't forget to take the Gerbil out of your arse!

199: nowhere in the world are American males popular, I'm sorry. They're
violent.

202: Check out the metropolis magazine in Japan. There are heaps of Japanese girls looking for American men. Especially army types.
Personally I think that a Japanese man is more likely to commit domestic violence or force his wife to have sex....that is in the case he doesn't go to soapland

201: Rudeness is your nickname. Anti Britney maniacs loves to speak badly
but actually they are too disappointed to know she got pregnant, to distinguish
vice from virtue. If you once loved her, you shouldn't betray her.

203: Both of them aren't worth living in the world.

britney have more money than you. money is the judge. if you dont have money
just shut up looser (i dont care about britney, but it's universal rule)

Breaking News!

Let's talk about idols and actresses
http://academy3.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/english/1121246074/

i think when foreigner(especially american english teacher) come to japan
all they want is to see some kind of US filial in japan, but japan is japan
and all they can do is write stupid messages in their uninteresting blogs,
taking tasteless boring photos of japan and all crap like that!

What is filial? Why do you have the right to judge their photos as boring?
The most stupid thing I've ever seen is Japanese tourists on a group tour only get out of the bus
to take photos all at the same time just cos the guide told them too.
Anyway, that's a bit of th topic. Please continue

205: No, they are not. Only idols are worth living. Imagine the world where
you come across only idols everywhere. Isn't it superb?

>>210
go to the idol thread, asshole!

210: Fuck off! Take you deluded sexual frustration somewhere else!

their photos are boring because they dont know anything about desing and dont have
any taste. they are just boring english teachers. how can english teacher can be
creative? no way he can.
they want to see things in japan in US ways only. they can't accept japanese way.
all i want to say is that I respect USA (and if i come to USA someday i will never
complane about how US is wrong and incorrect), so I want those english teachers
do the same.

I'll quit talking about idols in this thread. Instead, I'll keep
bringing up girls. What they like and dislike, how to talk or something
like that. These must be mysterious to males. So I'll answer your questions.
Girls like to talk about male idols behind boys―boys that are cool, though.

What do you mean by 'male idols behind boys'??

If all of the English teachers in Japan thought like Japanese there would be nothing you could learn from each other.
If those teachers are just being ethnocentric and condascending I understand your feelings, but in my experience, foreigners often
help us notice things about ourselves that we had forgotten. One of my old teachers knew more about traditional Japanese culture than I did.

If you're ugly, girls won't take care whether you hear them talking
very badly about boys that're ugly. They ignore you. We girls are more
devoted to endearing ourselves to cool and cute guys.

215:talk behind boys about male idols. You need to learn English.

SMAP, as you know, is the best idol group in Japan, even in SK.
Kimu taku sure is known for his coolness in east Asia. He's cool.

Why is Kimura Takuya so popular?
He's very talented and acts very attractively and cool.
That's why girls love him. Even westerners living in Japan love him.

I dont like japanese pop music at all

But I like Japanese idols.

>>221-222
Idiot! I don't care about your likings!

>>222 like who?? oh congratulatins on getting 222!!

>>223
idiot!! i don't care about you dislikings!

Can I have a question?
Mr Shit hasn't come along? He's the epitomy of the Japanese male.
He's gentle, cool and kind to everyone. I like him a lot.
I said it very often.

Do you know when he usually appears in this thread?

koreans girls are most beautiful girls on the earth! you should know it by now

i didnt saw mr.shit....
How do you think he looks in real life? what kind of cloth he likes?

Tinen Rina's photo album was realeased, in which you can see her nude.

I bought old hiromix photobook. it's not idol photo. it's very nice photos.
she won a prestigious prize with it in 1995 or 1996. nobuyoshi araki said that
she is talented. i really like her photos

How I think? In my head, he looks younger than he really was, and
his face(cheek) must be somewhat gaunt but healthy, very cool.
He looks similar to Tamura Masakazu, maybe.

>>227
Because of surgical improvement?

Well, maybe his beard looks sexially very appealing to me...
Mr Shit is nice and hot.

>>232
not really

Please understand how much I love to meet him.
I love him more than Kimu Taku in a way.

how old is mr.shit? is he NEET? or hikikomori?

Oh, don't speak ill of him in front of me.
He should be 55 years or so. I find him so smart that he never
replies to any idiot like you... I must follow him in a way.

why 55years old guy are posting on this board???

I guess Mr shit has read as many books as he can and become
very knowledgeable, but the habit must've made his eyesight sort of
weak. I respect males with good knowledge on things around the world..
Girls often are enchanted with them...

Why can't 55 years sophisticated male post here??

I read a lot of books. murakami haruki for example

Ah, well, no, I didn't mean reading MH is good..

>>240
because sophisticated 55yo male can find a better things to do.
hell, even a normal 20yo guy dont post here

why you dislike murakami haruki?
who is good modern japanese writer?
I also like wataya risa

May I propose another topic we can discuss about?（´･ω･`）

>>243
Which means you're not normal?

Well, anyway, whatever you say, Mr Shit is my king.

do you guys like wataya risa?

I dont judge people by their personalities. I dont care about it.
I only judge by their success, independent, money and talent.
which make me depressed sometimes. but i can't think otherwise

>>244
I didn't say I dislike him, but well, reading him means you want to
talk about him with girls. In my case, I don't want males fawning up to
girls. This is all my indivisual opinion. So things should change if you
talk with other girls. So don't worry too much.

I believe Mr Shit read books which is too difficult for me to
understand. It's very, say, musculine..

is liking dazai osamu abnormal?

>>251
If you mean Ningen sikkaku, I'd say yes...
Do you want to kill yourself?

>>252
I like ningen sikkaku, I like it a lot. but i dont want to kill myself

I bet mr.shit likes dazai osamu a lot. otherwise why he is calling himself
mr.SHIT ?

'I cannot think of the slightest reason why I should have to go on living.Only those who wish to go on living should.Just as a man has the right to live,he ought also have the right to die.'



I was died when I was 14 years old...

Is this the reality?

Who can help me to remember something?

'I have no room for hope.Good-bye.'

'In the last analysis my death is a natual one---man cannot live exclusively for principles.'

'I am,after all,an aristocrat.'

---Dazai Osamu,The Setting Sun

>>248 must be really cold-hearted person
do you think so?

Proposition:

"Should English be taught in elementary schools in Japan?"

>>257
Becky, as everyone know, speaks both English and Japanese because
her dad is English and mom Japanese. So it's more important to
get married to English speaking people if you really want your decendants
to speak it. By the way, Becky sure is very exotic and cheerful.
I like her a lot.

You are crazy...she resembles reptile I bet

>>258
and beckys english really doesnt seem that good. she said so her
self actually.

Yeah, I know she said so, but to the contrary her English skill is something.
I watched her interviewing an overseas singer on TV and of course she
talked fluently with him, so I guess she's reserved or so wise that she
tried to let Japanese people with no English skills feel releaved.
Becky knows a lot in Japan. If she says she's a good English speaker,
lots of the Japanese people will feel jelous and say something derogatory
to her... I'm very confident she's better than, say, at least, those
Japanese talents who appears on TV saying they can speak the language.
Don't you think so?

>>261
I agree. She speaks English better than most Japanese people.

I don't know nothing about Becky.
But the proposition seems to concern general public and non-native English speakers.
Of course if you have a native speaker of English as at least one parent,
you will be able to speak English much more fluently than others.
That is, however, not realistic for most Japanese.

I am in favor of the introduction of English to elemantary school children.
The younger you are, the more you can make yourself familiar with a foreign language,
especially with the pronunciation,
since the pronunciation of English is very difficult for Japanese.
Don't you think it much better to familiarize yourself with the English pronunciation
at as early a stage of learning as possible?

>>263
year. that's true.
p.s. I DOUN'T agree to get married with foreign people just because you want to
get language skill. it's crazy.

>>257
I'm on the neutral ground.

I am no expert on English education so I can't say what is best for children concerning English education.
But I can say that the most important thing is not how early we give children English education,
but how we motivate them to learn the language.

>>264
＞because you want to get language skill.
As long as ONLY language skills go, I wouldn't, either.But language is one reason.
Some people love to hang out with foreiners, Why is Becky half English? It's because
her mother love his father (of course, he's English). Language is not a goal.

I'd be happy to get married to Britney, though.

Let's get back to the subject.

I am going to be on the negative side.

I think earlier English education is not necessary.
As >>263 said, the early education would have an advantage of making children
familiar with English pronunciation. But, pronunciation is no more than an aspect
of the English language.

What you should be concerned about is what you present in English, not how you
speak English nor even who you get married with. We already have a lot of things
which we want our children to tell foreigners, such as Japanese technologies, history,
philosophy, artistic sense and you name it.
What do you want your children to tell foreigners in English?

Let all school boys & girls stay abroad for 1year. Make it compulsory.
then they can have good experience in short term. Cost by tax.

p.s. I don't understand 268's "negative side" well.

>>269 Wow. That's a novel idea. They would have good experience, surely.
But, I don't understand why it should be "compulsory."
What do you think good experience is, more specifically?

The 3rd Proposition:
Smoking in public should be prohibited by law.

State which side (pro or con) you stand and make your argument.

>>271
Okay. I'll take the con-side,
though it looks like my choice is wrong, because it has too weak a ground.


Smoking in public shouldn't be prohibited by law.

Smoking is one of the many habits or tastes which have been accepted in a lot of societies
for a very long time.
This fact makes smoking part of the culture which has allowed its members to do it.
Not only has it taken root in everyday life of ordinary people, but it has also been depicted
in a lot of pictures, novels and movies.
Prohibiting smoking in public by law will destroy such part of our culture.

Second, if we think it wrong and decide to prohibit it, what effect will the prohibition bring about?
See the famous Prohibition enacted and enforced in the United States in the 1920s.
The prohibition of smoking in public will have the same effect and cause some serious crimes,
perhaps even the rise of new maffia, which will make our life so dangerous and vulnerable.

Considering those grounds mentioned above, the prohibition of smoking in public is the wrong way.

>>272
> Smoking is one of the many habits or tastes which have been accepted in a lot of societies
> for a very long time.
> This fact makes smoking part of the culture which has allowed its members to do it.
> Not only has it taken root in everyday life of ordinary people, but it has also been depicted
> in a lot of pictures, novels and movies.
> Prohibiting smoking in public by law will destroy such part of our culture.

And what's wrong with that? What exactly harm will it cause?

> Second, if we think it wrong and decide to prohibit it, what effect will the prohibition bring about?
> See the famous Prohibition enacted and enforced in the United States in the 1920s.
> The prohibition of smoking in public will have the same effect and cause some serious crimes,
> perhaps even the rise of new maffia, which will make our life so dangerous and vulnerable.

I don't understand why ban on public smoking make people commit crimes.

We are not talking about total ban on tabacco.
You just can't smoke in restraunts but you can where smoking is allowed.
You know, more and more restraunts, office and public places are already prohibitting ban on tabacco.
I've never heard such measures are increasing crimes.
Did your office mate go mad and start to murder people only because your office started to ban public smoking?

> You know, more and more restraunts, office and public places are already prohibitting ban on tabacco.
You know, more and more restraunts, office and public places are already banning public smoking.

The new law will only increase the number of such places.

You guys are fucking idiots. Go commit group suicide while jacking each other off, you suicidal faggots.

I agree with myself.

As he said before, koji doesn't like to argue with those mates who
learn English, because he want them to calm down and have a chat with him
cheerfully. As for him, he keeps his peace of mind whatever happens such as
a big earthquake or tidal wave, though he has never experieced either.
Anyway, koji is kind because a chinese girlfriend of him talked him into doing
what he can to help others.

But second-hand smoke is harmful to the people who breathe it -
even more so than to the actual person smoking. People die from
second-hand smoke.

You wouldn't allow someone to go around giving little bits of
poison to innocent bystanders, would you? It's the same thing.
So, smoking in public should indeed be banned.

koji askes you to never say a derogatory word.
Sure, people die when they get older but koji thinks it's not
escapable. koji's girlfried was from china and as you know, more
chinese people love to smoke than Japanese do. But he doesn't want
his girlfriend die. He would feel very sad if she were not alive.
koji is kind because of her. If he can see her nowhere in the world,
he would lose himself and get at all of you.

koji wanted to shout at the one who got 1000 in another thread,
but he calmed himself down. he remembered he was so good and nice
as not to bad-mouth anyone he meets online.

koji has to speak his mind. he said he was very nice and good-natured.
But when it comes to Yukorin, he would be beside himself and become really very
hot and utter some bad words. So remember: koji is kind to anyone except when
they are talking about Yukorin behind her back. You can believe me.

I have a topic to offer you to discuss.
Idols should smoke or mustn't smoke?

koji thought for several whiles that if Yukorin smoke he would stand
for idols who smoke, but if not, he would change his opinion.
So koji has no idea. Do you think idols shouldn't smoke?

┣¨┣¨┣¨┣¨┣¨┣¨┣¨┣¨ ┣¨┣¨┣¨

koji felt lucky when he meet another koji and he too seemed very kind and
amusing. koji wants Yukorin's fans to get together, talk about her, and have fun.
It's the paradise of her fans. he likes lots of koji to come along.

How kind of him, koji! how kind of him!
If there're many kojis in the English board, he can enjoy talking
with himself, though. Don't pretend you're not koji! They'd love to
see you here, koji.

Kindness is koji's middle name!

Do you approve of female emperor

Yes, indeed. koji is very supportive of Yukorin.
So if she becomes Japanese emperor, koji will be pleased.

No...not Yukorin.
I hope that Aiko would succeed emperor and find a better future
for every Japanese.

The 4th Proposition:
High school students (and students in lower grades) should not own cellular phone.

State which side (pro or con) you stand and make your argument.

I take the con side.

High school or lower grade students can have their cellular phone.
First, cellular phones has broaden children's ways of communications.
Not only do they remove the limitations of conventional ways of communications
in terms of time and space, but they have helped create new usage of written language.

Second, cellular phones help children and their parents to locate each other whenever or wherever
they are, which assures parents of their children's safety.

Although the time and money spent using cellular phones on "wasteful" game playing and
"meaningless" emailing are immense, the advantages mentioned above cannot be underestimated.

Start to learn English language in pre-school is the best way.

>>291
I shall make rebuttals on your argument:

> First, cellular phones has broaden children's ways of communications.
This merely points out that mobile phones provided new means of communication.
It must be noted that mobile phones have driven away the conventional ways of communication at the same time.

> Not only do they remove the limitations of conventional ways of communications
> in terms of time and space, but they have helped create new usage of written language.
In a bad way, yes.

> Second, cellular phones help children and their parents to locate each other whenever or wherever
> they are, which assures parents of their children's safety.
This is just a trivial advantage hardly merits the cost and other sacrifices.

> Although the time and money spent using cellular phones on "wasteful" game playing and
> "meaningless" emailing are immense, the advantages mentioned above cannot be underestimated.
Yes, there are advantages to kids owning cellular phones but you have to give statistical data that
support your statement. Merits must surpass the demerits.

Think of counterproposals to failing birth rate !

35hourwork week could be effective.

精神病患者がひとりでさまよってますね。



それともリアルやディベートサイトで語れないで２ちゃんの基地外相手に
優越感感じようとしてる馬鹿負け犬？

>>294
それらは何語で書かれてるの？

Great book to learn about modern China : "Wild Swans"
Aurthor : Jung Chang (ユン　チアン)
Its translated in many languages (The original is in English. No Chinese version, of course)

Good people have left china or murdered a lot.

This is a so called "must read book" if you are interested in China.
As a novels, simply worth to read.

Let me correct some errors or misunderstandings.

Good people have left china or being murdered ...

novel, worth reading

>>298
Let me correct some more errors or misunderstandings.

Good people have left china or been murdered...

As a novel, it's simply worth reading.

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Greatest book to learn about modern China : "Mao"
Aurthor : Jung Chang (ユン　チアン)

p.3
"Mao Tse-Tung ･･･　was responsible for well over 70 million deaths
in peace time, more than any other 20th century leader"

Mao killed well over 70 million even in peace time.
If this is truth, Mao was the only human being
beyond super-bloody butcher Gods in the Old Testament.

well over 70 million even in peace time!
This is a real holocaust.
Sorry for China people////

あぼーん

I know there is the debate in English thread just now. Thanks spammer :-)

Is this thread alive?

>>304
No, thread is not a living thing.

monkeys like to throw their poop

Perhaps someone need to bring us a theme. to debates is based on a theme.
Now is no subject. Its status is impossible to debate. I want to use this
thread but I don't know what a good subject is here. I guess a subject is
something to join everybody.

The 5th Proposition:
Electronic dictionaries are superior to paper dictionaries.

State which side (pro or con) you stand and make your argument.

> I guess a subject is somithing to join everybody.

I guess a subject is somthing which everybody is able to join with.

I'm waiting for you.

>>308

Electronic dictionaries are a wonderful invention, but they have their
downsides as well. The best part of them is that they are fast, and if
you have a good one, you can get all of the meanings for a word, whereas
the paper dictionary may only have the most important ones. On the other
hand, one has to exhibit a higher mastery of the language to use them to
full effect...I had a translation professor accuse me of running my
entire assignment through Babelfish and not editing it, while I thought
I had been picking the right words.

The best solution is to use both - a paper dictionary is good where
it may not be best to get on the net (work) and an electronic when you
can sit down and really hammer on something for academic or personal
reasons.

Why don't you argue with native English speakers?

>>311
I've seen Markov chains produce more coherrent sentences than babelfish normally produces.

Conclusion: 2ch'ers are not interested in dabating.

Come on!

Is Bush the world learder?

つーか、こいつら馬鹿？何でわざわざ英語で書き込む必要があんの？

then, why do you do bump?? *shrug*

What does doodoo taste like?

is this thread alive or dead?

It's alive and kickin'!

It seems dead . . .

My johnson is three times as long as banana.
On the other hand, your dick is too short, so I make your dick big and strong.

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age

Subject:
how do you know about Zidan's headbutt on the Worldcup final?

Zidan decided to retire from professional football after the Worldcup.
He was a player of Franch international and was the most great player
during two decades. He led Franch international to the final game.
When the game reacheaed at 110 minites, He fought with Materazzi and
shotted his head to Materazzi. Of cource, He took a read card then he
got out the game. His retirement game was suddenly sad end.

This problem is a controversy over the world. Perhaps, everybody might
know about this problem.

Zidan said he shotted his head because Materazzi insulted his family two times.
If this is true, I think Zidan is not so wrong.
He could be patient to be insulted his own matter, but couldn't to his family matter.

By the way, he took "red" card, not "read" card.
thank you.

...I reckon what Zidane did is still total shit,
considering that it was his last game.

How come people try to justify that red-card..?
Imagine if it wasn't Zidane. He definitely would be fucked by media.

Zidane just utilizes his big name. He is being so spoilt.

空気を読まず英語ディベートの大会で成績残してる俺が来ましたよ
何か（ry

>>329
It's no problem. I want to know the level of your skill about English devate.
If possible, You might as well decide the subject to discuss on the thread.
But, Here has , I guess, a debater, only you, and a lot of non-debater.
Of cource, I am not a debater. Therefore, If you write how to debate,
a lot of people might admire you for it.

面倒なので日本語で書くけど、
ディベートをゲームとしてやろうとしたら、
まず、肯定側と否定側とで明確にチームに分かれて、それとは別に第三者のジャッジを決めて
肯定側の議論と否定側の議論の時間を分ける。
２chなら例えば、1-10までは肯定側、11-20までは否定側、みたいに。
で、その行程を４回くらいやって、ゲームを終え、ジャッジが勝敗を決める。
くらいのルールにしたらいいかな。

詳しく知りたかったら全日本英語ディベート協会（NAFA: National association of foreignstic argumentation）か日本ディベート協会（JDA:Japan debate association）のページでもみてください。

ZIDAN'S HEADBUTT: ALLOWABLE OR NOT

Odd Number: Positive
Even Number: Negative

Debate-in-English Rules:

1) Statements on the topic should be written in English.
2) Statements should always be positive or negative, not in-between.
3) A debate will end with six statements: three positives and three negatives.
4) Comments on the debate or individual statements can be written in either 日本語 or in English.
5) You can comment on ongoing debates, but preferabley, AFTER the debate.
6) English correction is always welcome, but not in debating statements.

Any suggestion?

奇数番号の人：肯定（賛成）の発言をする
偶数番号の人：否定（反対）の発言をする

１）ディベート内の発言は英語で書くこと
２）ディベート内の発言は肯定か否定（賛成か反対）、中間はなし
３）肯定派と否定派、それぞれ３回発言したところで１ディベート終了
４）ディベート、あるいは個々の発言についてのコメントは日本語でもOK。英語もOK。
５）ディベート進行中のコメントも可。でも、できれば終了時まで待ってほしい
６）英語の訂正は歓迎。ただし発言内での（相手の）英語訂正は無用。

新参者なので空気読めてないかもだけどどうだろ。英語に戻ります。

>>332
You will never know if you're going to be odd number or even number.

>>335
Sometimes you do, sometimes not. I think it will still work with some pre-statement signs,
showing your positive or negative position. For example:

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337 名前：名無しさん＠英語勉強中[] 投稿日：
On the topic >>332
Possitive 1:
Zidane's deed was totally allowable because...
-----------------------------------------

You can add the number after "positive" (line 3) to 3
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341 名前：名無しさん＠英語勉強中[] 投稿日：
On the topic >>332
Possitive 3: >>337 >>339
[Anchor-tag reference to previous statements will be usable in some cases]
My point is, Zidane's bald head was so perfect for headbutt, and...
-----------------------------------------

You can add more statements if you want to continue, but the whole procedure
depends on others' comments. If many say "yamere" against you, you were probably
not convincing enough. That is, you lose on the debate.

The "odd-positive" and "even-negative" rotation is not a rule. It's a preferable order.
But we sitill need it just because a debate should be as rotational as possible.

But we still need it just because. . .

>>334
Thank you for your advice.

The point of view of allowable.

First, Zidan made mistake to behave his headbutt that hits Materazzi on
the world cup final. Although the reason is unclear in detail,
The action occured from his thinking of saving his family. If it
is true, the action might allow Zidan. His thinking tought us
strongly relationship between him and him family. It is great!
Second, FIFA punished Zidan to pay some money and to do social
action to take a red card on his final game. The final red card
is the worst memorial for him. This indicates to be the end of
pysically payoff for his punishement.
Finally, I guess Zidan has been bothering the action that is
good or bad forever. and also he might bother to break down his
final game. He brought him a heavy weight cross as well.
--
PS.
It is difficult for me to allow Zidan's action. Because whatever is
violence, it is bad! In particular, Zidan is the best player for a
decade from 1996. The best players make us efficient siginificantly.
Therefore they become good examples for children although I understand
his thinking for his family.

(Silence)

The debate has ended.

Is this thread alive at all?

I wonder why people become stupid when they get old.
I know a lot of people who graduated from the top-elite universities
but very stupid when they are in their 50s or over.

>>343
I don't agree with you. Many old people are respectable.
What do you mean by stupid? Not smart? wise? intelligent?
You might be too young to realize your stupidity.

>>344
Yes, many old people are respectable, expecially those who went through the hardship of the war are respectable, no doubt about it.
However, it is also true that there are many people (N.B. not everyone) who have stopped using their brain, obviously for a long time.
Those people only rely on the knowledge they acquired up to Uni. and never try to go beyond that.
Since they have stopped thinking seriously, they end up make stupid decisions.
I know I'm sounding like beating around the bush, that's because in order to make more clear explanation, I need to use some examples,
but unfortunately, that's no possible due to the nature of the Internet.
So my point is, those who have stopped using their brain become stupid, and the longer one stops thinking seriously,
the more stupid one gets, thus many old people are stupid.

>>345
I don't want to blame over 60 years old retired folks..
50 years old people in society are still working hard.
You have to make effort to meet with sophisticated people.

Anyway, stupid is bad word.

>>346
This is a thread for debate, therefore, you need to substantiate your comments with reasons.

>>347
I found a solution for him.

I,....I want to pee.

I think this thread is most needed.

>>350
Agreed. So let's continue it.

I like to write in english.
It's fun.

I like to write in english.
It's fun.

So what's the next topic?
Anyone?

What do you think about the ban on scatology in USA?

It is unrealistic. Every food in the United States are
obviously made of Shitt; the taste reveals it to you.
How come all the Americans bear with emforced fast?

what do you think about american people saying 'happy holiday' instead of
'happy christmas' in public. i think that's pretty disgusting!
they should stop jewish being ruling the world.
christmas is not that religeous at all.
it's a sort of culture we enjoy.

If Americans were willing to celebrate 'Hari raya puasa'
(final day of Islamic fast) and some other non-Christian oriented
festivals in their country, perhaps muslims should
convert their hostility to the United States.

Christmas is more of a worldwide tradition
than a Christian holiday these days.
I celebrate at Christmas and I'm a Buddhist.
Is there an actual law against saying "Happy Christmas" in public?

damn!! u guys r such assholes.
just shut the fuck up. ur english make me nuts!
u know wut? this site is like a mother fuckin shit!
guess wut!? u better stop writing on this damn site with ur mother fucker! niggar

Can you imagine we share only one religion in this world?

＞I celebrate at Christmas and I'm a Buddhist.

Commercialization of Christmas by non-Christian
Japanese and Chinese(Such as Hongkoneese and Singaporeans)
invokes great disdine and cynicism from the rest of the
world. What 'enjoyment' do you got from Christmas?

>christmas is not that religeous at all.

Some christians seriously hate such statement.

>>362
I just celebrate Christmas for fun really.
In the same way that I would celebrate a birthday,
there is no religious reason behind it.
I don't mean to offend anyone in doing so.

That is a typical case of asymmetric perception.
It does not matter wherther you mind it or not, yet Christians mind.
They simply wonder why do you 'celebrate' it.
If you say that it is a simply joyful amusement, their wonder goes
more serious and merely despise you from the bottom of their heart.

>>364
Hmm. Maybe what you say is true.
But isn't despising someone from the bottom of their heart
against the core principles of Christianity?
Also, many Christians celebrate Halloween.
This is a Pagan festival. And so in criticizing us
for celebrating Christmas, they are being hypocritical.

Hypocritic? It is nothing more than common sense that
Americans and Europeans are great hypocriticians(w
As famous staying 'A british would be a Knight if he robbs much'
tells even themselves hava ironic view toward their nature.

Syncretism you mentioned above concerning Pagan origine of
Halloween may be true; actually some european countries, especially
France and Spain have many festibals that can be dated back to
past heterodoxy.

However, a main difference is that these past religions, say
some Celtic ones or Greco-Roman polytesism had abolished after
prevailing Christianity, while you belive in Buddism, a major and
exsisting religion. Christian may ask you how you celebrate
Buddha's birthday in April and the day of his death. Most of the
Japanese got annoyance toward this question since few celebrate
these days in contemporaly Japan. This fact shocks Christians and
invokes another serious wonder and cynicism toward your way of
celebrating Christmas.

F CHRISTMAS!
DON'T SING CHRISTMAS SONG NEAR ME!!
YOU CAN GIVE ME A PRESENT ON ANY DAY OTHER THAN CHRISTMAS.
X'MAS IS THE RIGHT SPELLING.
'CAUSE IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH JESUS.
ON THE CHRISTMAS DAY, I ALWAYS GO OUT DRINKING WITH MY FRIENDS,
AND F MY CHICK IN THE NIGHT.
RELIGION SUCKS!!

>>366
I do understand what you mean, but I see no reason
why I should stop celebrating because I do enjoy it.
I mean no disrespect towards Christians, but if they
percieve it that way, then that isn't my fault.
Also, if they want to celebrate Buddha's birthday,
then they are welcome to do so in my opinion.
Furthermore, it was the Americans themselves that
commercialised Christmas (or Xmas) and made it seem "cool".
I believe that this is why it is popular now in Japan as
well as many other non-Christian countries.
And today, there are still Pagans but it is minority.

As continiously mentioned, it does not matter if
you mind it or not and how do you evaluate your way.

This kind of asymetric perception is really something hard
to deal with. I can admit that your view typifies well
common Japanese feeling toward Christmas, and even for
Religion in general, as a Japanese. However these kind of
relatism is hardly accepted by THEM.

Sequently,the simple consequence will be that you continue
to celebrate in the Commercialistic way as a comsumer, while
billions of Christians and Muslisms keep lookig down you
to an extreme degree.

>>369
Then if they choose to look down on me it can't
be helped.＼（−−）／
I wish that they could have a better understanding of
non-Christian and non-Muslim ways of thinking,
but maybe they are too much narrow-minded?
I have to leave now sorry. I'll discuss this again later.

I hope you don't mind a native speaker joining in this debate...

I'm a Buddhist living in a mainly Christian country.
I celebrate Christmas with my Christain friends, and
they don't bear any ill will towards me for doing so.

Like I said in another thread, Christmas is more of a
commercial holiday in this country now.

I will admit however that some traditional, right-wing
Christians don't like the fact that I celebrate Christmas.

I have to stress that they are in the minority though...

hay guyz wats going on

>>371
Right-wing Christians don't like the fact that anyone celebrates
that "heathen" version of Christmas. That is to give each other gifts, and
to be with each other, instead of attending mass, praying, thanking god
for jesus and all that. They greatly dislike the commersialized christmas,
as they feel it doesn't convey the god fear and obedience to their god, but
is about worshipping gifts and the heathen god/saint "Santa Claus".
"Terribly un-Christian," they say.

I once visited Christian minority village in Malaysia.
The situation I saw there was awful one.

While Christian minorities(They are descendents of Portugues
and preserved their belief in Catholic in the Muslim country
handreds years against all desbenefits) and Indian Christians there
prey really sincerely and decently, Chinese just messed the celebration
making terrible noise.
They just flocked to drink and loon over the night, and
they enter decorated houses in the village without asking to
take keepsake pictures. For them, Christmas is nothing more
than an amusement. Although I am not a Christian and I believe
I am free from current anti-Chinese atmospher among the youth,
the Chinese way seemed to be very shallow and totally ridiculous.

Needless to say,　Japanese spent Christmas day just like the
Chinese, possibly even much worth than them since Japanes Christmas
is even synonym of sexaholic night.

Needless to say,　Japanese spent Christmas day just like the
Chinese, possibly even much worth than them since Japanes Christmas
is even synonym of sexaholic night.

Merry Christmas, everyone v^-^v

For being a non-Christian Japanese, I wouldn't mind if Christians or Muslims
going to the shrines on Jan. 1 and celebrate the New Year.....
I guess a lot of originally religious ceremonies have become
diluted as years go by.

そりゃ多神教の考え方だし

Regarding the ways to celebrate Christmas, why don't we put it this way.
Although Sushi is a very traditional Japanese food, when it gets eaten
in other countries, its styles often get changed dramatically to adapt to
the needs of the country.
For e.g. in the U.S., they have invented "California Roll" which uses avocado
as an ingredient, which never existed in Japan.
As someone said, the "right-wing" sushi maestros might get offended, but in general,
we are happy that our traditional food is taking root in other countries.
Same goes for Chinese food, Italian food, etc. etc.
So I think it's OK for each country to have different ways to enjoy celebrating
religious ceremonies including Christmas.

寿司と宗教同列の論じるなんてなあ

* Happy New Year *

Lets debate the meaning of DQN

DQNs are meaningless. Period.

>>382
Delinquent.
NEXT!