ナ.マ.モ.ノ同人＠マターリ井戸端会議26

ナマモノならではの萌えや萎えをマターリ語り合いましょう。
sage進行推奨。
特に必要の無いかぎり個人名は出さずに
「うちの攻は〜」「うちの受は〜」等の表記でお願いします。
半ナマは該当半ナマスレへ。

前スレ
http://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/doujin/1279366732/

('仄')ﾊﾟｲﾊﾟｲ

保守

保守

保守ついでに前スレネタ語り


うちの攻本尊はライブで結婚報告した。
10年ほど付き合ってからの結婚だったので覚悟は出来てたけど、純粋に攻ファンとして凹んだ。
でもその傍らで、受本尊がライブではいつもすげー元気いっぱいなのに笑顔ひとつなく
他メンバーが祝福の言葉かけてるのにスルー
結局最後の挨拶まで一言も話さなかった
本気で自分らより凹んでいるように見えて最萌えいただいた。

>>1乙

本尊よ早く結婚して安心させておくれと思い続けて早幾年
数年前は親のプレッシャーが〜とか嫁欲しいだの言ってたのに、する意欲なくなったんだろうか
本尊には幸せな家庭を築いて欲しいから結婚諦めて欲しくないんだけどな…

新スレ乙

前スレ>993
うちの本尊も結婚当初はおめでたいと思ったけど、たまにツイッターに出てくれば
嫁とリプ合戦だわ、仕事が嫁のバーター一色になるわで完全に心折れた
結婚一年で本尊の事こんなにどうでも良く思うようになるとは思わなかったわ

>5
最萌裏山！

グルーピーが見苦しい自作自演と騙りレス繰り返してる本尊たちに比べたら

>>6みたいに結婚して欲しいという気持ちも結婚されるとやっぱりキツいという気持ちもわかって辛い
>>5は結婚がきっかけで最萌できて本当によかったね

受けと攻めがほぼ同時期に報告した。
萌えも燃えも打ち砕かれて、
本尊ファンとしてほとんど心折れかかっている。
でも生きているんだからいいじゃないかって自分に言い聞かせているけど、
もう本を書ける気がしない。

本尊結婚で心が揺れる人意外と多いもんなんだね
自分は本尊が結婚して嫁が出産しても気にならずに腐萌えしてたから
当時周囲の腐ファン達が嫁叩きしてた意味がわからなかったんだけど
前スレからの流れ見ていて、心が折れる人の気持ちが解った
ような気がする

本尊達が常日頃、結婚してお互いに子供ができたら
一緒に遊ばせて自分達はそれを傍でにこにこ眺めてて…
みたいな妄想トークしてくれるから
着々と衝撃に備える準備はできてる…気がする
他人の為にたまひよ読んでるような
ただ本当に結婚報告きたら粉々に砕ける自信もある

>>5
受本尊が結婚すると、もっと本当の意味での凹みがくるよ…
攻本尊の結婚と受本尊の結婚ってショックのデカさが違うよね
ほぼ同時に結婚報告ってのが一番ショックでかいんだろうけど

数々の本尊達が結婚してきたけど受本尊が先の方が
残念感（ショックとまでは）は少ないという法則が確認できた。
まあ運動系から入ってるので（今は芸能系で同人してる）
結婚が当たり前という状態なので、慣れているのかも。

自分は受でも攻でも凹まないんだが
もしかして少数派？
普通はショック受けるものなの？
それはあなたに愛が無いんだよとか言われて腹立ったんだが

愛が多い少ないとかじゃなくて妄想レベルの差だよね

普通は〜とかじゃなく
萌えの種類も人それぞれなので
お互いにあまり気にしない方がいいのでは
もちろん愛がないなどということはない

>>15
凹まない派ノ
同人的に萌えるのと、ファンとしてファミリーひっくるめて愛でたいという想いがわりと矛盾なく並立してるよー

相手が素行不良な人でなければ凹まないなあ
評判悪い人だと、本尊の見る目のなさと
その本尊にはまった己の見る目のなさにがっくりくるかもしれない。

http://mag-net-jp.com/event/dqe-2012.html

>>19
それはある。私の場合もそうだった。
最初は普通に「結婚おめでとう」と思っていたんだけど、
(言葉濁すけど)不倫の末のデキ婚だと知ったときはガッカリ感半端なかった。

偽装結婚だ！とか言って（ネタではなくて本気で）現実逃避して暴れない限りは
凹んでも凹まなくてもどっちでも良いと思う

>>22
ああ、私の友達それだ。
ことあるごとに「あれは偽装だから」って言ってて、
最初は笑って聞いてたけど、
段々笑えない発言が多くなってドン引きした。

うちの本尊は結婚してるのにライブのMCで
お互い愛人関係だけど妻には内緒にしてねっていっているけど
そこまでファンサービスする人たちも逆につらいｗ

>>24
いいご本尊じゃないかｗ
愛人関係云々は置いといても良い関係なんだろうな


うちのいい歳同士のご本尊も受はネタにされるほどの独身で、
攻が「受の婚期が遅れているのは自分のせいだ」発言をかましてくれて
ライブ中に本気で動揺しそうになったことがあるｗ

うちの本尊AはメンバーBのことを「あいつが女だったら結婚してもいい。あいつはいい嫁になるよ」
と言っているが、自ジャンルの最大CPはBAです。あなたが嫁です、Aさん。

>>26
ﾜﾛﾀww


うちの受本尊は何故か「自分が女性だったら誰と結婚したいですか？」とよく質問されていた
その時は必ず「攻本尊くん！すごく優しいしー、強いしー、攻くんと結婚したらどんな感じかなー」
等と笑顔で答えてくれる良い子でした。
30も過ぎてそういう質問は無くなったがw そんな私は5です。

うちの受本尊は、「（もしも受本尊の娘と攻本尊の息子が結婚したら）その孫は欲しい」
と言い放ってくれたアホな子です。
むしろお前らが結婚しろ。

>>18さんと同じかなあ。
あと物心ついた時には既に結婚してたので
もうどうしようもなかったというか

頭では分かってたつもりでも「やっぱり本尊同士はホンモノじゃなかったんだな…」と
ものすごくガッカリしてショックを受けていた自分の腐脳が一番ショックだった…
今はもう温かく見守れてるけど(子供と遊ぶ本尊萌えとか)現本尊に結婚して欲しくないなーと
思ってるのはやっぱり同じ理由だったりするので全く成長していないｗ

本尊同士がもしかしてガチの「可能性がある」と思ってる人と
妄想と現実は全く別と完全に割り切ってる人じゃ
やっぱり違うよね

本尊達はたまにとんでもないネタを投下していくので
「え…？ガチ…じゃないよね…？」って逆に心配になるレベル

あるあるｗ
プライベートで頭ナデナデしたり頬触ったりしてるとこを目撃されてたときは
どうしたらいいのかわからなかった…

元本尊はガチだったな
どうしていいかわからない上攻受逆だった

受け本尊にバイ疑惑が持ち上がったときは、
「どうかネコでありますように」とどれだけ祈ったことかｗ

一方リバ余裕な自分に死角はなかった

>>34
それはどうしたらいいか分からんなｗ

本尊攻受とも結婚していて子供がいる状態ではまったから
嫁・子供エピソードで萎えることはないｷﾘｯと思っていて、実際受家族の
仲良しエピソードにはえらく萌えたんだけど、攻の第ニ子誕生ニュースには
何故か激しく動揺した。どっちかというとむしろ受が好きなのに

>>33
スマン、そういうのってちゃんとしたソースがある場合のことかな？
掲示板の書き込みだけとかだと、お仲間の妄想なんじゃないかと思えてくる

腐釣りのサービスを真に受けて
「もしかしてガチ…？」って心配していると
本尊ケコーン！で不意打ちのダメージ食らうってのはよくある話w

自分は>>33ではないんだけど、
私の友達(非同人)が食事に入った店で私の元本尊たちに遭遇して、
メールで直接タレコミをもらったことがあるよ。

腐仲間だったら妄想かもと思うけど、ファンであることを知っているだけの
腐り要素もない友達からだったから疑うことなく萌え滾った。

マイ本尊は女遊びがひどくてとっかえひっかえでいつかトラブルに
巻き込まれるんじゃないかと心配になるレベルだったから結婚したときは安堵の方が大きかった
そんな本尊でホモ妄想してる自分もどうかと思うけどｗ

>>38
ちゃんとしたソースが出るはずが無いから、妄想の可能性はあるけど
同人全く関係ないファンサイトの書き込みだったし
自ジャンルは同人が全く流行ってないから釣る意味も無いんだよな
他にも事実と思える理由がいろいろある

釣りだったとしても、話聞いたとき動揺したけど楽しかったからいいや

本尊の結婚含むリアル女絡みで萎えるかどうかは
妄想と現実の区別云々もあるのかもしれんが
不倫や浮気に対するスタンスも大きいと思う

自分は801妄想で当て馬元鞘多角関係上等、不倫バッチコイむしろ激萌え！だし
勝手で尊大な攻めや恋愛体質で性モラル緩い受けに萌えるから
本尊の恋愛スキャンダルも結婚も全部燃料に変換してしまう

でも固定者で浮気が許せない（浮気する人間性が愛せない）友人は
「攻めは嫁と受けを二股かけるような酷い人間じゃない」と言って
本尊が結婚するとＣＰ萌え腐萌えは卒業してしまう

>>42
ありがとう
ファンサイトの書き込みかぁ〜
う〜ん、正直微妙w
自分だったら話半分に聞いとくかもw

うちは百合だから結婚は常に意識してるな
変な男に引っかかりさえしなければいいという母心とガチであれと念じる腐心

声優やアイドルの百合営業に騙されるヲタも多いね
ああいうのって事務所やスタッフがやらせてるらしい

>>43
リバ大好き雑食で、女好き遊び人設定も大好きだけど
やっぱり現実の話は萎えるな…
浮気とかじゃなくて現実味そのものに萎える
もちろん勝手に妄想してるこっちが悪いんだけどｗ

>>46
それって百合に限ったことじゃないし。

うちの攻めが結婚したときにまさしく>>43の下3行状態になって
続けるか止めるか悩んだけど、しばらくしてから不倫婚であったことが明らかになり、
開き直って今でも同人続けていますｗ

私の頭の中にだけ存在するいやらしい本尊

>>49
うまいw
自分の頭の中にもいるわー

ちょっとご意見いただきたいんですが

ナマでオフ活動をしています
私の本尊はグループＢのメンバーです
グループＢと同じジャンルのグループＡのメンバーが最近結婚しました。
ジャンル的にも結婚はふつうなので荒れたりとかはしないんですが、
そのグループＡの新妻さんが即売会にあらわれて
グループＢの同人誌だけを根こそぎ買っていきます。

グループＡとグループＢはそこまで仲良しというわけでもないですが
仕事場が一緒になったりもします
私は腐の同人誌は出していないんですが、自衛として頒布を拒否してもいいのでしょうか
新妻さんがどんな人かわからないですし、新妻さんの旦那さんが出ているわけではないので
自意識過剰と思われたりしたらと心配です

こわっ

結局その「ジャンル」によるんじゃないかと思うけど…

新妻が同人ヲタかそうでないか
買う理由が解らないと対処できんね
蛇腐の友人が、弟が蛇になったことで蛇腐引退するか悩んでたけど
本人は蛇禁理解してるから今まで通り潜んで続けてる
仲間に素性も隠してるから良心は痛むようだが

何年か前に運動系腐のｻｸﾙのﾏﾝﾚﾎﾟで、弟が鯨忍になって
俺の本も出ちゃうかなーとか言ってた、というのがあり、
そこそこ好きなとこだったのでorzだった。切ったけど。

怖すぎる…
自分はチキンなのでBでのオフ活動やめる

アドバイスありがとうございます。

新妻さんは綺麗なんですが特徴がないというか
よくいる顔立ちのため
結婚してから顔を覚えたぐらいなんで
以前から買ってくれていたのか記憶が曖昧です

腐ネタでない私でも十分怖いので、腐サークルさんはサークルをやめるかどうかのレベルかと思います

次のイベントまで日があるので対策を考えようとおもいます

いっそはっきり聞いてみればいい

新妻がBに行くためAから責めた
とか嫌なことを考えてしまった

うちのジャンル、ついったで鍵無し腐アカ持ってる人が多すぎる。しかも、本尊にリプしまくり。腐歴二桁の私が腐寄りレポ頑張ります！ とか呟きながらライブ行ってたり、もう本当にいい加減にしてほしい。
本尊のファンって、ギャルと腐女子しかいないんだろうなあといつも思うよ。まだギャルの方が可愛いわ。

腐だったら本尊が結婚しても続けようと思ったら続けられるけど
NLは難しいね。どうしても不倫という言葉がよぎって萌えられない

雰囲気が大好きで二人の仲良しなやり取りを妄想までしてた夫婦が
旦那の不倫が原因で離婚したときは泣いた
普段BLで初めて萌えたNLだったんだが、BLでトラブルあったときより
ファンタジーでは済まない分しんどかった
だいぶ経つけど、未だに旦那と相手の女がテレビに出ると気持ち悪くなる

起源が虹→虹半→賛辞と辿っているけど、やはり次元を超えて萌えるシュチェの共通項ってあるなぁ…
久方に昔のジャンルの本見てて、スレとか見たりしてるとしみじみ思う

保守

まさか5年越しに再燃するとは思わなかった。
離れたきっかけがBL地雷小説だったから、BLはまだ見れないと思う。
でも健全ギャグとかほのぼの系はめちゃくちゃ見たい。
支部にも滅多にないから、まずは5年前に通ってた神サイトを見つけるところから始めよう。
ご本尊かわいいよご本尊。

ジャンルの中で、活動の場による考え方の違いで派閥みたいなのできてる

例えばだけど、
◯みくし ×携帯サイト ◯PCサイト派
×みくし ◯Twitter ×携帯サイト派
×Twitter ◯携帯サイト ◯PCサイト派
みたいな感じ
後は、◯10932厭離 ×半虹＆惨事厭離とか
◯半虹の本 ×惨事の本、とかもある

皆考え方が違うのは当然だし、乱暴に言えばどの活動もNGなわけで誰が正しいとも言えない

だけど「あの人は◯◯で活動してるからありえない(ルール違反)」みたいな理由で絶縁状態とかある

どこのジャンルもそんな感じなのかな？

連投スマソ
惨事って伏字良くなかったわ
ごめん

今までジャンル二つほどハマってきたけど、そんな派閥見たことないな。
蛇みたいに有名じゃないってのもあるけど、基本的にまったりで平和。
今いるジャンルは、ご本尊と同人にまつわる悪い噂があるから、ちょっとピリピリしてるくらいか。

ちょっと前まで「携帯サイトは悪禁できないし外でも見れるからダメ」な風潮だったのに
今は「携帯サイトならPC禁出来るし移転も削除も楽だから」みたいな理由で携帯サイト増えてる
支部否定派と肯定派とかね。支部内でも伏字タグ分け派とピク限派とかよく揉めてる
（揉めてるというか、無言のタグ合戦や当てこすり※をスタックで流してる感じで）

本尊は俳優だから半生も兼ねてるんだけど、同じレベルで公開してる人多い
本音としてはネットで語るべきジャンルじゃないんだろうなーって思ってるけど
やれマナーだなんだと他人に押し付けなきゃ別にいいかなってなぁなぁにしてる

マイジャンルは某アイドル事務所だけど
今一番人気のグループジャンルの人たちは、自分のジャンルは神経質なほどに隠しまくってるのに
ついでに描いた先輩グループ（自分ジャンル）は、名前堂々と垂れ流しなのは何故だ

うちのいるジャンルはよくわからん
二次絵ぐらいなら鍵なしのツイッターだろうがどこにでも投下しておｋって感じ
ただホモネタは最低限ルール守れよ、って感じかな……

国内の腐より国外の腐の方が目立ちすぎて、
ジャンルに関係あるグループが二次創作に言及してたりするからちょっと怖いけど

オープンにしたい人にとやかく文句つける気はないけど
例えばツイッターや支部のプロフィールにサイトアドレスを載せてる人は
隠れていたい人のサイトやサーチへのリンクは切った方が良いのではと思う

20年くらい前が旬だった人達にハマってしまった…。
三毛で1サークルあるかないかレベル。
腐サイトも見当たらない。
本人達は、一応まだまだ現役。
創作意欲はあるんだが、オフ活動する勇気はない…。

やおいじゃないから恥ずかしく無いもん☆彡とオープンにはしゃいでた
twitter温泉のはしゃぎっぷりにヒヤヒヤしてたら
直接は関係のなかった同人者らが本スレに目を付けられオフ者全部撤退した自ジャンル
オンオフ皆が崇めてた健全神が苦しみ去ってから後悔しても遅いのよ…
やんわり注意した時に引っ込んでおけばよかったのにね

>>71
09年に15周年迎えた某グループに今更ハマった自分がいます。
他サイトさんはもちろんほとんど動いてない。（支部は多少ある）
昨年サイト立ち上げました。（検索避けしてヒキ）
オフ活動はようせんけど、今のところ楽しく活動してますよ！

>>71
生は潜るから腐サイトあっても見つけるのは至難のワザ。
71のジャンルのサイトもあるかもだが、細い細い糸をたどってやっと見つけられると思う

自分のジャンルは殆どのサイトが検索避けして潜ってるしね。

自本尊はピーク15年前で、自分が嵌まったのは数年前
ジャンルは既に人がいなくて、あるのはリアが作った携帯サイトがいくつかだけだった
でも地道に活動してたらジャンル友達できたよ
本尊現役だし、ここまで熱くなれたジャンルは初めてだし、オフ活動楽しいよ

もうすぐピークは30年前になろうかという本尊
自分が子供の頃はサークルが結構あったみたいだけど
はまってからは見かけたことがない

誰か…

うちの本尊も活動歴20年オーバー
幸いにも創作活動してる人もぼちぼちいる
でもその人たちにとって本尊は若い頃の姿でいるのが理想らしく、絵でも文字でも妙に若々しく描かれてるんだよね

オッサン恋しいよオッサン
オッサン同士の成熟した絡みが見たいよ

反応してくれてありがとう。
みなさんのおかげでちょっと勇気出ました。
そんなにすぐ仲間が見つかるわけないですよね。
サイト作りつつ、冬にでも申し込んでみようと思います！

日本のバラエティ番組に出てくるタト人さんは一般人扱い？
本職がタレントなら一般人とは違うだろうけど
あの人たちの本職はタレント業なのかどうか
たまに教授とかいるし

ツイッターで本尊写真に獣耳を付けたコラ画像をアイコンにしてる人がいてプロフには腐女子ですの明記と支部へのリンクが
少しツイートを辿ったらアイコン変えるか鍵掛けてと注意を受けていた
それに対し「ナマに関する腐ツイートしてないから大丈夫」「コラ画像に限らずアニメアイコン、プリ画等好みは人それぞれだから万人受けしないのは承知」等とずれた返信していたけど単純に肖像権の侵害なのでは

>>80
自分もその人知ってる…
前に「本尊に獣耳付いてても違和感ない、ってアイコン見て思った」みたいな事言っててウヘァってした

獣耳も立派な同人ジャンルって事理解してないのかな？

本尊の絵を時々支部にあげてる人
腐っぽい絵は描いてないんだけど、
ツイと支部のひとこと連動してるから、鍵かけてるみたいだけど腐ツイまるみえなんだよね
支部連動するのはやめてほしい…

>>82
直接言ってみたら？
支部と連動したら丸見えになることに本人が気付いてない場合もあるよ

>>81
昔手書きブログでそんな感じの内容で荒れてたなあ
本尊のファンアート描くのはいいけどハロウィンコスは同人絵ですから
人目につくところでやっちゃいけません！！っておもっくそ鼻息荒くしてた奴
自分は「三次やってる人はみんな聞いてください＞＜」
みたいな鬱陶しい態度にあきれて手ブロ自体辞めたけど
事の顛末はどうなってんだろ

コスとケモ耳は似て非なるもだよなあ…
しかし次ジャンルはツイでのCMパロやハロウィンコス絵でも腐うぜえーと
一般人にドン引かれて全く関与してない同人サイトが本スレ晒しにまで
発展したから何とも言えねえ。おんがく系でこの有様だからなあ…

>>84
過剰な自治で内部崩壊起こしてるの見ると何とも言えない気持ちになるな
自ジャンルの本尊はデフォで同人誌レベルのアレっぷりなんで
少なくともお仲間から厳しい規制を求められることはない…と思いたい

>>85
自ジャンル本尊も同人誌レベルの言動が多数あるので気持ちがわかる。
ガチで公式が最大手状態ｗｗｗｗｗｗ
だからファンアートや妄想語りもどこまでがおｋなのかたまにわからなくなる。

公式が最大手とかよく聞くけどさ同人誌レベルの言動ってのは
腐女子が見聞きしてそう思うってだけでしょ
それともガチでゲイだってカミングアウトでもしてんの？

うちの本尊は一人キス魔がいて、メンバー全員とディープキスしてると公言してる

「あーん」て食べさせ合ったり後ろからハグしたりほっぺにキスくらいならやってる

半生混じりの生だけど、本尊片方(既婚)のジョークスキルが(腐的な意味で)清々しく突き抜けてて、腐女子が敗北感を覚えてるよ
先刻インタビュの返答で、本尊二人で毎朝セックスしてるよ発言が投下されたw

うちの本尊は長年連れ添った老夫婦のようです
イチャイチャはしないけどお互いを尊重しあっていてほっこりする

>>89
「ブロマンス」って言葉が出来て腑に落ちる先があってよかったｗ
うちの本尊もそうだ
前座の男の子にまでDキス

手を繋いで買い物してる写真が出たときは
ガチなのかと思った

自担はガチっちゅーか
最近受がマジでオネェなんじゃないかという疑いが

公式とは思わないが、スポーシ系はけっこうシャレにならない
男同士のスキンシップが日常茶飯事だから抱き合ったりするのも平気で
飲み会の時に普通にマウストゥマウスのキスしてるし
ジャンルによってはゲイビ発覚もあるしね

アッー！

こういう流れになるといつも思うけど、
「うちの本尊のほうが凄い！」とか競い合ってるの？w
つーかどこも似たようなことしてるんだねw
ウケ狙い（ギャグ）や腐釣りだからできるんだろうなw

ガチでゲイビ出てた人には誰も敵わないかと…でも腐人気は薄そうだよね、あの人

かつて萌えてた俳優が枕（ウリセンだったかも）で
スッパ抜かれたが、あれは腐でも嬉しいもんじゃなかったな〜
その後の露出も減った

妄想だから楽しいってのがあるもんね。

そういうのって腐が妄想するような都合の良いものばかりじゃないからね
大概腐は本尊が掘られて〜とかいうシチュエーションを妄想するんだろうけど
本尊のほうが汚いオカマのオッサンとか爺さんを掘ってるのかもしれんしな

ごめん、102は>>100さんへのレスです

何度もすまん
オカマは余分だったな
汚いオッサンとか爺さんに訂正
オカマじゃなくても掘られる側の人（要するにネコ）なんていくらでもいるしね

リアルでは慎ましく脳内ではいやらしく
これ最高

ガチというより他山の石とすべしって話だが、マイ本尊が死んだとき、
業界誌に本尊の旧知の作家の追悼文が載った。それが
「本尊が若い頃、親友Aに異様に甘ったれてるのを見た。
私の作家のカンによると当時あの二人は肉体はともかく、
精神的男色関係にあったに違いない」
てな妄想文章だった。それは狭い業界で全員が読んでるような業界誌で、
まだ存命のAのことを考えると居たたまれなかった。
書いた作家は非常識がウリだったが、ありゃーないわ。
正直萌えたけど。

>>106の本尊たぶん私も好きだ
同士が居たのか…それともよくある話なのかな

>>107
そんなにある話とも思えないw
801板に業界スレあるよ。同志は意外にいる。
同じ本尊なら107が未成年てこともないでしょう

>>108
成人はしてる。探してみたけど業界スレってのはなさそう
「A」がそのまま名前の頭文字かどうかだけ教えて

Aはそのままイニシャルじゃありません、I.H.です。
作家の方はもう鬼籍に入ってるSMポルノ作家D.O.
これで去ります。長々とすみませんでした

ありがとう。しつこくごめん私もこれで消える

以下いつもの話どうぞ

最近オープンな人増えたなあと冷や冷やしている
ツイッターの自己紹介欄にカプ名表記してたり腐要素含む絵や漫画一般公開してたり
本スレで腐ネタ出してたり…
なんだかジャンルの輪にいるのが嫌になってヒキに磨きがかかったよ

本尊Aは本人や関係者来たらどうしよう＞＜なオフ者
本尊Bはオープン過ぎる上晒されたら逆切れの腐イッター達のおかげで
両方共本スレに目つけられるようになったからヒキが極まって撤退したよ
今は自分と片手の数も居ない友人に押し付ける用の数冊だけ作ってる

自ジャンルはツイッターで鍵が掛かっててもアイコンが本尊画像だったりケモ耳や女装絵だったりでうわっと思う事がある…アイコンは隠せないからなあ

昔のナマ同人ノリで活動してるオヴァなんとかならんのか。

十数年前の本尊は自身の同人を読むほど理解があってラジオや雑誌で感想言ってたとはいえ
その時に読まれた上に褒められた！とリアの子に自慢しまくりで勘違いして作品送りつけられたらと気が気でない。

しかもPixivでは本尊の名前をタグに入れて非公開設定せずホモエロ作品垂れ流しだし
一度、注意したら自分より年下で本尊CP歴短いってだけで嫉妬扱いされて終わってリアよりたちが悪い。

リアの子達も活動が長いってだけで崇拝してる上に今までお咎めがなかった=オヴァの行動は間違ってないと認識してて
同じようにPixivでホモエロ垂れ流しはじめたからCP違いといえ本尊での活動はヤメようかとさえ思い出したわ…

>>115
それで元プロなら自ジャンルのvvsmだわｗ

ネット上での緩さはもうジャンルごとの空気嫁としか言えなくなったよな。
緩すぎるのも、過剰な自治もジャンル崩壊に繋がるし…。

ツイッター、支部が普及する前は自治厨に近い考えだったけど、
最近ではまあ鍵ついてたらいいわ、ぐらいの考えになってしまった。
元々一般ファンやネットでホモネタ蔓延してるからな…ただ腐女子が調子乗ると一発でばれるからやめて欲しい。
あとネタとして晒されて撤退していくオフ者も多くて悲しい。

自分は元々藁にいたせいもあってか>>117みたいに自治厨寄りだったけど
ジャンル変えてから「BLとか獣耳無ければ緩くていいんじゃない」て考えになった


正直藁は「BL要素無くても漫画ぽい絵は絶対隠さなきゃダメ！」的にギスギスしすぎてて苦手
そこまで不安だったら同人活動止めればいいのにとしか言えない

なんかもう公式にバックパス渡されてる二次同人描きとか
公式に掲載されてる日本のファンのマンガマンガしいファンアートとか見たら
うちのジャンルどうでもよくなったわ…

カプ絵とかじゃないならマンガ絵でも問題無くない？
もしかして･･･自ジャンル…だったりして

自ジャンルは男ヲタも多いから支部の腐絵なんか晒されまくって上手い人はみんな撤退した

マンガ絵は何かの拍子に晒される覚悟がいると思うよ
自ジャンルは以前は一般のファンサイトでもイラスト載せてるところ多かったが
腐寄りの人が描きだし、SNSやツイで段々萌えが滲み出しちゃって
今はマンガ絵＝ミーハーとヘイトされるようになったね
その時に鬱憤が溜まって目が厳しくなってしまったようだ
10年以上平和にやってきたオフ者は若手も込みで速やかに撤退した…淋しい

マンガ絵単独なら問題ないけれど、それに付随する何かがあると一気に腐臭がする
本人にそのつもりがなくとも、オタのノリと腐の見分けなんて一般人はつかないしさ
発信側次第で受け取る側もフィルター掛かっちゃうんだよなあ…難しい
連投失礼しました

あぁ、確かに･･･
腐臭を感じない絵柄なら支持されそうよね
自ジャンルでは頭身低い絵は一般のファンにも支持されてるなぁ

自ジャンルは、過去に二次でも三次でも問題起きてるから、多少自治しないと怖いんだよな。
特に三次が潰れると、二次の一部CPも巻き添え食らって潰れる（前例あり）から、本当に注意しないといけない。

・・・のに、最近公式が燃料投下してきて、過去のことを知らない子が、二次のノリで三次に手を出してきて怖い怖い。
頼むから三次BLは鍵垢でやってください。

>>116
元プロでもなければ現プロでもないから>>116のジャンルとは違うと思う…
どのジャンルでもそんなオヴァっているもんなんだな…

遂にはtwitterで鍵なしリアと本尊のHOMOツイートたれ流しだして本気でジャンル崩壊しかねんと思い再度注意したら
私の作品はもっと認知されていい作品だからサイトを見つけられない子のために投稿してあげてる！
とリアにチヤホヤされ過ぎたせいか更にわけの分からん返事をしてきてﾎﾟｶｰﾝ状態(ﾟдﾟ)

何の為にナマサイトが地下に潜ってるのかと…そんなに有名大手になりたきゃ三次でなく二次でやってくれよ…

twitterで垂れ流すような人は注意するだけ無駄というか
注意側が疲弊して終わるだけだから傷が深くなる前に諦めて去るほうがいいよ…
調子乗ったリアとvvsmの化学反応はどうにもならん
去年、自本尊界隈がオンオフとも崩壊したけど数カ月後にはtwitter民だけ
またキャッキャしててもう一般の本尊友達作るのすら今は躊躇われるよ
twitterやらないの〜？とか言われてたまらん…
向こうには自治厨と未だに嫌がられてるのに

単体のマンガ絵だったら問題ないかなあと思ってきたけど、
本尊の絵を絵書き達が48体描いて会報コーナーに送る某48アイドルを模した企画があると知ったときは
ちょっと首をかしげてしまった
マンガ絵でそういう企画って同人ノリっぽいなあと･･･それ公式に送るんかい

女子＄界隈が怖い…ツイでもみんな垂れ流しだし
自分は別のナマ描き手でそっちは買うだけなんだけど
描かれている人の垢を見に行ってぞっとした。
本尊のプレゼントボックスに、自作のポスターとか
イラストカードとか、公式の仕事狙ってるのかなー。
流石に同人誌は入れてないみたいだが、上手い人だけに恐ろしい。

昨日の某有名評論家のTwitterでのBL小説公式RT祭りには参った

女性＄関連は昔から緩いからなぁ
男性のサークルや書き手が多いこともあって隠す事自体ないイメージ
アニメ漫画同人でも男性作家は2ちゃんねる話題出すのに抵抗ないのに似てるかも

雑誌もアイドル、グラドル、エロが混在してたり投稿欄見ても
基本的に色々な垣根があまりない感じはする

公式にとってはアイコラの方が死活問題だとは思う

女子＄は別の文化として割り切ってる。

グラビアやPVで百合売りしてるだけじゃなく
手紙やプレゼントやにイラスト描かれて喜んでる子もいるし、
本尊側で好きなメンバーカップリングについて討論してたこともあるし、
最近の女子＄にヲタ気質の子が多いせいなのか
２ちゃんのAAや二次創作や百合ネタもあっという間にメンバー間で広まる。
時々微妙な気持ちになるけど、そっちにはそっちの歴史があるんだろう。

そっか、割り切るもんか…。
イラストや百合萌えが知られてしまうのは仕方ないと思うんだが
「同人誌を作成して販売した」ことに関しては本人達が構わなくても
周り（事務所とかﾚｺ社とか）からすると真っ黒だから
あまりに公になると動かざるを得ないこともあるだろうし、
やっぱり同人誌活動は女子＄だろうが隠すもんだと思っていたので。
異文化かー。

９月末に半生オンリーイベントあると聞いて、今から準備すれば間に合うかな。
オンだけで、まだオフ出した事ない。１回だけでも出したい気がする。
オンデマンドとかどう違うの？
色々と調べていけば、作れるかな。

>>134
コテ化といいまずナマジャンルのオフを始めるには知識が足りてないんじゃないか？
その質問ないようもスレチどころか板違いだよ
半年ROMれって久しぶりに言いたくなった

自分129＝133だが、134ではないよ。
自分はｵﾌ歴10年越えだ。

>>136
書き込むときにわざわざ「ナマ129」って打ち込んだの？

>>134が単に直近レスの>>133の名前欄を、勘違いして真似しちゃっただけの話しでしょ…

134は歌い出しを間違えちゃっただけなんだ
もう許してあげて

久しぶりに書き込みがあったと思えば…脱力
134から濃厚なリア臭

>>134
半生はスレチ、板内に半生スレあるよ
初本が半生ジャンルでオフとか、危ないよ
コピーなりオンデマで出る部数を読んでからの方がいいよ
2慣れしてないみたいだから同人ノウハウ板行って参考になりそうなスレ見ておいで

ジャンル内で定期的にオフ会しているんだけど
場所がそのジャンルの一般ファンもくるようなオープンな場所で参っている…。
うっかり誰かが腐的な発言をしたらどうすんだよと毎回ヒヤヒヤしてる。

そんなところで遠慮しながらオフ会してもモヤモヤするだけな気がするな
カラオケや個室居酒屋とかの方が絶対にいい

>>142
そうだよね。レスありがとう。
個室じゃないと気を使って疲れて楽しめないし
しかも一般ファンはほぼ男子だから、女子グループだとかなり目立って恥ずかしい。
でも不思議と場所はそのままで続いてるんだよね。
ナマに対しての感覚が結構違うのかもな…
難しい。

個室居酒屋もよく調べないと、声筒抜けのところもあるよね…
一度、地方ライヴのあとその地方の個室居酒屋予約したら、大き目の宴会部屋？に３組押し込まれた苦い記憶
３組とも同じファンだったけど、そのうちの一組は受違いのお仲間さんで堂々と腐った話しておったよ…
ちったあ気にしろと…orz

ライブの後飲んでた居酒屋にご本尊ご一行がやってきて
向こうは個室とはいえ同じ店の中
ロクに話が出来ず早々に立ち去ったのを思い出した

オン専だけど本尊が問題やトラブル起こしたときってどうするのが一番いいだろう？
全スルーで更新続けるのも違う気がするし適当に理由つけて一端休止してほとぼり冷めたころ再開が無難かな
ナマモノってこういうことがあるから難しい

一旦休止→再開が無難だろうけど別に理由なんて必要ないと思う
サイトに来る人は事情知ってる人ばかりだろうし、
更新がなければ「ああ更新自粛中かな」と察してくれるはず
ブログがあればたまに生存報告して「冷めたわけじゃないよ」アピールすればいいと思う

「あープライベート忙しくなってきたから最近更新できてないやー的な感じで
ひっそりと休止しつつ再開時期を見計らうぜー」を空気で伝える

>>147-148
自分146だけどアドバイスありがとう
参考にさせてもらった

ほす

今まで生で回遊してきたけど毛色の違うジャンルに飛び込むと
やっぱ大変だな…
楽しいけど心配事も多くて胃痛がしそうだぜ

ほす

ここの皆さんは貴方が8/5に開催する死のオンリーラッシュに参加するのかいね？
ちなみに自分は怖いもの見たさで申し込んだww

>>151
もまいの書き込みでそんなイベントあるって初めて知ったわ
なんだかんだで弱小ナマは三毛が強いだろうしなあ
地方だし行けないんで、是非ともレポお願いしたいです
サークル同士で結託して声かけあったりしたら参加増えるだろうけどな

全然周知されてないもんな…募集から〆切までの期間も短い。
自分は夏コミ受かったんで直前の週のイベントじゃ参加どころか買いにも行けない
（多分準備でそれどころじゃない）

あと、同じ会場で二次元オンリーもまとめて開催するのが微妙にモニョなんだよな
まあ参加する人は頑張ってくれ

ここで知ったけど祭りの真っ只中に開催されても行けるかｗと思ってしまった
毎年被る冬三毛ですらお葬式の時もあるのに

ｽﾎﾟｰｼ者はｼｰｽﾞｿ真っ只中でイベントどころじゃないだろうに
貴様は考えてから企画しないのか

会場抑えすぎて余ったから生とりあえずぶっこんだんだろうが、
周りは二次に加えて、海鮮として好きな生も一緒に見れる！って結構喜んでた
勿論当日流通死ぬなワロスｗｗｗｗって笑いつつだけど

公式がイラコンとかやっててファンアート推奨されてるようなとこなんだけど
蛇みたいに公式がキツイとこの二次やっている知人が
生のルールも知らないの！？隠れなきゃ駄目なんだよ！とうるさくて困る
上記を説明してもそんなの建前だと言ってはねつけられる
カップリング絵をうｐしてるわけでもないし、生でもルールが違うとこあるんだから
分かって欲しいよ…

ｶﾌﾟ絵じゃないと言っても腐臭のする絵柄というのがあるからなー
人物の雰囲気とかがﾓﾛBL調だったりするのって寒いじゃん
157の絵柄が腐臭なくってむちゃくちゃ巧いんならいいんじゃね？

腐臭はしないに限るが、下手でも別にいいじゃない…

貴方が夏に続いて冬まで開催するみたいだ
冬は生半生のみっぽいが恐ろしい…

カップリング絵じゃなければナマ二次をおおっぴらにやっていいジャンルなんてあんの？

数年前の話だけど、自ジャンルはイラストのファンサイトとか普通にあったよ
漫画描いてるサイトとか、管理人に同人活動してないか問い合わせが行くような
雰囲気のサイトもあったよ

ファンアートと二次創作は別じゃない？

ファンアートとナマ二次を一緒にしちゃいけないよな
上手い下手は関係なく何となく透けて見えるんだよ…
それをわかってもらえずに自ジャンルはtwitterから入った温泉新規キッカケに
一般人が嫌悪してオフ者へ飛び火し晒されて崩壊したから
>>157の友人の気持ちはよーくわかる

一度そのジャンルに萌えた人に、普通のファンアートはもう描けないってこと？

>>164
え、なんでそうなるの？
>>157がファンアートさかんなジャンルだからナマ二次も隠れる必要ないと混同してるから引っかかっただけだよ
ファンアートがいくら盛んでも公式で推奨されててもナマ二次は隠れた方がいい
むしろファンアートに積極的なジャンルほど二次創作サイトは隠れた方が安全だと思う

あ、もしかして>>157はファンアートを公開してるだけで
ナマ二次をやってるわけではないのに隠れろと言われたのかな
それだったら乙

でもここナマモノ同人のスレだからそうするとスレチになるｗ

アテクシはオタクじゃなく健全なファンとしてイラスト()描いてるから公に発表したい！
って奴と、オタとしての自分の嗜好をわきまえて潜んだ活動する奴ってのは、
このジャンルだと昔から割ともめ続けるよね。あと、一番やっかいなのはアーティストなりタレントなりがオタで、同人誌歓迎！とか
やたらオープンにしちゃうやつな…。ナマは本当に難しいジャンルだと思う。

ファンアート含む二次創作的なもの（金銭が絡まないものだけど）を公式が認めてるとこもあるんだよ
認めてるというと語弊があるかもしれないけど
そういうところなのにこっちの事情を説明しても理解してもらえないんだよね
そりゃ殆どの生二次は厳しくて隠れなきゃってのは分かるけど
他のとことこっちを混同してるのは知人の方だから面倒なんだよね

>>168
そこまでいうならジャンル名出してよ
二次創作を認めてる⇒認めてるというと語弊がある
それって結局認められてないんじゃないの？

というか二次元ジャンルで公式が許可だしてるところあるけど
そういうジャンルでも認めてる認めてないに限らず
原作者に見られるのが嫌だという人がいて揉めてるのをよくみる
ナマモノなんて基本本尊が同人ウエルカムでも隠したい人が多いんだから
そういう仲でおおっぴらにやってれば批判されて当たり前だと思う
それを覚悟した上で公認だからやってもいいとやればいいんじゃないか

ここで同じナマでもうちのとこはルールが違うのに理解されないとか言っても
共感する人間は殆どいないと思う

知人のジャンルは晒して自分のジャンルは言わないのフェアじゃないな

二次創作的なものを公式が認めてるってどんな感じなのか想像つかないな…

母が韓流好きなんだけど
公式がファンによる夢小説を募集して審査して上位３作を公式サイトに掲載して
サイン色紙をプレゼントしてたことあったけどそういう感じってことかな？
でもあれは半生だったしな「貴女をオリキャラとして登場させたその後の話募集」だったから

ナマ二次で公認って？？

>>168が特別()なナマ者()なのはわかったが、
オタク的に潜んでナマ活動をする者たちのスレでこれ以上自己主張するのは無駄だと思うよ。
それに、そのあなたの本尊をオタク的に萌えて必死に潜んで地下活動してる人が居たとしたら、
その人は今頃、あなたのように一般側とオタク側とに股をかけちゃうような人にヒヤヒヤしてるかもしれないよね？
本尊から公認されて一般側として活動してるあなたは、もうオタクではないのかもよ？

10年くらい前の話だけど
その時期流行ってた某声優ユニットは公式でアンソロ出してて
さすがにモロなカプものは載ってなかったけど
ライブレポ漫画が載ってたりナマBLサークルの案内が思いっきり載ってたりしたよ
まああれは半分二次半分ナマというか、公式がある意味ナマ同人というか
色々特殊なジャンルではあったけど

いや10年どころじゃないや、ほぼ15年前だ
商業アンソロに作家の住所が載ってたような時代の話

ナマで二次歓迎、というか優遇だったのは
昔々本尊がモノホンで本を献上すると音源貰えたという某盤しか思いつかない
そこでは活動してない人まで献上用のためにコピー本作ってたとか都市伝説状態

どれも昔だからできた話だと思う
今だと公式は公認でも、良い方はとても悪いがそんな痛い公式だと
アフィブロで笑いものにされて活動なんて逆に出来ないだろうし

個人的に公式が認めてるから隠れなくていいという考えに違和感ある
もちろん権利的に黒だから隠れてる面もあるけど
ナマモノの場合本尊や一般ファンの目に入らないようにするためでもあるから
公式がいいっていいっててカップリング絵じゃなくても
表でやってるナマ二次者がいたら引くし友達なら注意するな

某ミュージシャンはラジオで自分の同人誌を募集したって昔聞いた。
そういうのなのかな。
でも本尊がOKのような感じだとしても事務所もOKなのかしらないし、
一般ファンがネットで検索してすぐに同人サイトが出るのはどうかな。

157にはどれだけ言っても「私のジャンルを知らないから」な気がするけど。

公式がサイトで四コマ募集してたり、公式Twitterが募集したファンアート片っ端からRTするようなとこもあるから、
そういうノリなのかな＞ファンアート公認

腐なしで温泉で公式公認なら責める理由はないのかな
個人的にはそのノリで腐やらオフやらに来られると迷惑だから、関わりたくないけど

pixivがまさにファンアートの皮をかぶった腐の巣窟

本尊バンドが別のバンドと絡みだした途端に別バンドの厨共が
大量に流れてきて恐怖と怒りでどうにかなりそうだわ…
今まで極少数ながら問題もなく細々とやってきたのに
別バンド萌えの奴に潰される寸前とか泣きそう…

>>180
ありゃ、棒要員とかにされちゃってるのかな、乙
そういう人達っていつか飽きるから
しばらく見ない、関わらないようにしてやり過ごせる…といいね

>>181
ありがとう。
自本尊が一番可愛い！ってゆー気持ちは分からなくもないから棒要員扱いは
気にしないようしてるんだけどナマ同人のルールを一切守ってないのが…

サイト隠してない上にツイッターでもピクシブでもホモ垂れ流し放題で
コイツ等の言動が飛び火してブチ壊されるんじゃないかと気が気でないわ。
久し振りに本尊が活発に活動してて燃料ｷﾀ！と喜んでた矢先にあんまりすぎる。

>>182
とても乙

自分とこにもツイ支部垂れ流し多くて見かける度に…('A`)
ミケスペと新刊を支部で宣伝とかやめてくれ

>>182
乙、ナマでの棒扱いは人格がある分二次元よりダメージ喰らうよな


二次やってた人間が三次やろうとすると大概ロクなことにならない
TLは本尊をフォローしながら鍵無しでホモツイ垂れ流しはもちろん支部でもやりたい放題
こういう人は元々三次やってる人間とは根本的な考え方が違うらしいけど三次やるなら三次のマナーくらい学んでくれよ

うちの本尊周辺はゲーム(二次元)・ゲームを作る人(本尊たち)のように二次元と密接な関係があるんだけど、最近二次者が中途半端に三次に手を出してきて困る
男女構わず本尊のホモネタツイするわ酷いコラ画像作ってRTしまくるわで頭が痛い
本尊たちは芸能人でも表立ったミュージシャンでもなくサラリーマン的立場なのに川越＆照英みたく扱われてるのを見るたび嫌な気持ちになる
本尊の写真を「素材」呼ばわりしはじめるし、お前らそれでファン代表名乗るのやめてくれ

ちょっとした騒動になった後は二次者に対して三次者からの偏見の目が拭えなくなった

改行くらいしろよ

二次流れ皆が皆あれだとは思わないなあ
二次ノリそのまま持ち込まれるのは勘弁だけど
自ジャンルはウマーなまともな人流れてきてちょっと嬉しいｗ

自ジャンルは一般のファンもコンビファンが多い
そこから転じて結果的に腐ったブログ大公開☆
きゃー！○○さん素敵！とTwitterで拡散
同人とはちょっと毛色というか感覚が違うんだけどどっちにしろきつい…
コンビ＝ホモだよねきゃっきゃ！みたいな
同人としてやってる人はちゃんと潜ってるから見つからないみたいだけどマジ勘弁

>>184
多分同じジャンルだわ。
あれ本当酷いよね。
気持ち悪いから全部ミュートにしてる。

過去の本尊に同人誌送りつけたって噂知ってる人とかは、鍵付きのナマ垢作ってひっそりやってるけど
某曲から入った人たちの一部は、ナマ垢を内容付きで定期postで宣伝したり、
鍵無しでナマCP呟いたり、メシ屋でナマBLトーク始めるから痛々しい。

もちろん全員がそんな痛々しいわけじゃない。
注意したら理解してくれるだけまだマシかなって思うけど、
謝るだけで改善しない人もいて、もう面倒くさいから放置してる。

貴方の夏厭離、某盤土のイベントと会場が重なって方角だけ中止だって

もう貴方には期待しない方がいい
赤豚がやってくれたら1番良いんだがなー

赤豚は赤豚でコックローチがちょっとアレだからなあ

『盤士』を『棋/士』と読み間違えて、いつのまにイベントが！？って思っちゃった・・・

他ジャンル者だがナマ全体としても結構重要だと思うのでちょっと5日方角の件を整理しておく
外からざっくり見てるだけなので間違ってたら訂正たのむ

現在、貴方のツイッターアカで方角者に向けて「お知らせがあるので公式ページを見てくれ」という案内が出されてる
しかし、その公式ページはアクセス集中()で見れない。ページが繋がってた時は5日の方角ジャンルの中止のお知らせが記載されてたらしい
で
貴方側は今なお公式ページにしか中止の知らせを出しておらず(ツイッターは「お知らせがある」のみ)、公式ツイッターもぱったり動いてないので、
方角者達はツイッターで情報を回し合って現状を把握している感じ

今回はバンドのイベ告知が本当ギリギリだったらしいのでその点貴方にとっても予測不可能な事態だったと言えるだろうが
その後の対応の悪さ、情報伝達不足は厄介なことに巻き込まれたくない貴方の元からの体質だ
貴方のこういう対応はいままで二次元物でも何度もあったことらしいし実際二次元ならどうにか収まるのかもしれないけど
公式の情報不足でかえって妙に広い領域に拡散が進んでる現状とかを見ると、ナマジャンルとしては危ない橋渡ってる感がパなすぎる
いつか貴方にはナマごとつぶされかねへんでぇ…

方角者としては、中止してくれた事は大変ありがたい。その後の対応云々で話題がおかしな方向まで広まっちゃって逆にヒヤヒヤだわ。
イベント自体は細々だけど良い感じに続いてたから、今回の事で無くなって欲しくはないなあ
貴方は欲張らずに秋だけにしとけば良かったのに

情報伝達不足って言っても実際厭離に申し込んでた人に直接連絡があったのかは
外野にはわかんないしなぁ
あと変に騒ぎ立ててる人たちって結局他にも厭離主催してくれるところがある
ジャンルの人たちなんだろうなという印象

サークルには連絡がいってて、参加者向けの連絡ではないの？
サークルの連絡先は全部分かるはずなんだから、まさかそんな…。

サークルにも連絡ないよ
貴方はチケット発送とかそういうのと合わせてじゃないと連絡しない
イベント一週間前に会場変更のお知らせきたりとかが常な企業

方角参加者のあいだでは流石にもう情報回ってるようだが、方角以外のナマ・半ナマジャンルはツイで推測するしかない感じ
サイト繋がるようになったけど、方角ジャンルが中止になったことを知るには方角ジャンルサイトのパス・IDを請求して行くしかないのな
自ナマジャンルサイトには何のお知らせも出てないから、ツイやってなくて経緯を知らない人には方角中止の理由どころか中止になったってことすらわからない
隣でバンドイベがある(方角ナマ本尊と一般ファンがいる)からナマ界隈は全体的に心してねって注意すら入れないとか…当日何かの事故が起こっても不思議じゃないな

方角でも腐でもない一般垢へ中止RT回ってきて知ったんだが…
中止は判断としてはいいが、対応悪すぎてTwitterで変な形で周知される悪寒

ツイッターなんかよりタンブラーの方がもっとずっとやばいなｗ
日本腐が防衛してても海外腐が垂れ流しすぎ…ｗ

Tumblrも鍵付けられるんだけどねえ…

偏見すまんが、鍵かけるという概念がなさそう
webに載せた=公開=皆で共有するもの！�播(ﾟ∀ﾟd)
わたしが皆に紹介してあげるね！喜んでね！
みたいなお気楽頭ないまげ

そもそもあちらは二次創作権が保証されてて同人＝隠れる大義名分がなかったってのが土台にあるんだから
日本基準で考えたってしょうがない

自ジャンルだと普通にツイやブログでカプ萌え語りしてる人は多い
でもそのほとんどはオタじゃない印象だな
二次三次問わず隠れなきゃって意識の強い同人者とはアウトセーフの基準が違う、と
自分はあまり気にしてないんだけどね

「ライブでAとBが絡んでた！萌える！」って発言の裏に、
腐萌えの要素が含まれているのか、単に仲良くて萌えただけなのかっていう
見極めが難しいグレーゾーンの人も多いよね

表向きは受け本尊のファンとしてツイやってるから
そういう人も寄って来るけど厄介なんだよなぁ
ハラハラしつつ深い関わり持たないようにしてるけど

冬から三毛カタログのweb版が始動らしい

だんだん三毛の入り口が広がってきて、立ち寄ってるライターさんのツイートも数件見た
オフのナマジャンルはどうやってこの先生きのこればいいのだろう

>>205
この1・2年、生ルール知らない人ほど三毛に来ると実感したので
今年から三毛に出るのを辞めた
正直頒布数ガタ落ちで辞めたと思われたりしたけど危ない目にあったしこれでいいやと

うわマジか
自分のことはミケくらいでしかサークル見かけないんだけど…
これでオフ活動するサークル消えたら泣くわ

そしてごめん、
>>205の「先生きのこ」って何だろうと考えてしまったｗ

>>207
きのこるは昔からある２ちゃんのネタ言い回しだよ

バカッターとはよくいったものだな…
某アーの自分が出てる薄い本買いたいってツイートもどうかとおもうけど
（この人は以前からラジオで薄い本送ってとかヲタアピ？してたから余計に）
面白おかしくHOTワードにランキング入りさせてる一般人が怖い
アー含めてその行為でナマモノ同人が無くなってもいいんだろうな
むしろそのためにやってるのかと思う

>>209
早速「お前ら◯◯さんに薄い本送ってやれ！」って大騒ぎしててもう…

入場だけならともかく、ジャンル的には今は並ぶ程ではないだろ…と斜め上のことを思ってしまったｗ

RTで回ってる政治家のBL小説…あれ笑えねぇよ…

>>184>>187
同ジャンルだ。
周りに注意喚起してる人が少なくて怖かったけど、
自分以外にもおかしいと思ってる人がいるってことがわかってよかったよ。
自分は他の媒体の本尊でやってるけど某曲界隈は公式まで響かないか心配してる。
ツイの人たちが昔どんなことが起きたのか知っててくれたらな…、

まともな人もいるってのには同意。
痛い人相手には>>187みたいなスマートなスルースキルを身につけたいよ。

words_to_words

今日も朝っぱらからモーニングショウで堂々と三毛特集してたもんな…
メインは三毛そのものというより｢外国人もたくさん来る、ヌホン独自の文化！｣ってことだけど

レポーターの姉ちゃんがカタログ持って見せてたけど
多分その中には君の番組ファミリーの月〜木レギュラーも載ってるんだぜ…
見てて血の気引いた人も多かろうなぁ
あの姉ちゃん(と全スタッフ)が中身までは見てないことを祈る

某トーク番組がBL特集するとかツイで回ってるけど
世間（）が面白がってコミケだホモだBLだって話題に上げるんだもん
オープン腐も増えるってもんだよな…
自分は隠れてるし、ナマに対するスタンスは自分の中では確立してるけど
隠れてない人や面白がって話題にする人の事まで悩んで胃を痛めるのがアホらしくなってくるわ…

ルールも常識も時代によって変わっていくもんだからね
今と10年前が違うように

BLも腐女子も萌える対象物がオリジナル作品であれば
世間の流行だとかそういうものに乗っかってオープン腐でも構わない

でもあくまでもナマジャンルに限って言えば、ルールや常識が変遷したとしても
「本尊や一般人の目に触れないようにする」っていうのだけは普遍であると思うんだが

ナマモノほど一般人が面白がって引きずりだそうとするか笑いものにするから
ほんと今の日陰がなくなっていってる状況が恐ろしいわ

成人向けは描いてないけど「本尊をズリネタにしてまーす」って言うようなものだから
ナマでオープン腐やるのはどうしても無理

ツイッター怖すぎる
本尊名入れて検索かけたら、鍵付きとはいえ、アイコンに本尊、壁紙も本尊
プロフには本尊名載せて腐妄想してますの自己紹介
やめてくれ、本気で止めてくれて！

あと、本尊に腐アカで接触とか、海外本尊だから本人はわからないかもしれないが
国内の一般ファンの目に触れるような事も頼むから止めてくれよ・・・
本尊が珍しくファンイラストRTしてきたから元を辿ってみたら、腐ですの自己紹介
自重できて無い人多すぎる・・・

http://totokoko.tobiiro.jp/2/2.html
トトココお兄さんもSMAPを応援しているよ！

アイコン本尊で名前の後ろにスペース番号とかもな…
鍵つけてても意味ないよ

>>220
似たジャンルかもしれない
最近全く同じことが何度かあったのに加えて
CP本尊同士がたまたま共通点のある画像を同タイミングで上げてから
TLが狂ったような萌えの嵐

ハッシュタグでナマの腐CP名をトレンドに上げようとする動きや
ひどい下品妄想を呟いてる鍵なしアカで
「同CPさんと繋がりたいですRTしたらフォロー」の流れに頭いてー

自重してたようなサークルが次々と支部へ投稿するようになってきた
自ジャンル大手すら堂々と投稿してて収拾つかない
夏三毛お品書きとかやってる場合じゃないよ・・・
何のために検索よけやサーチ登録してないのか本当にわかってるんだろうか

皆がやれば皆やるんだよ
自重しだしたのだって皆が自重しだしたからだし
一般の目に触れさせない、ってルールもここ15年くらいの流れ
昔はゆるかった

うちのジャンルのおプロさま
ナマ本堂々と書店委託してるし…
もうホモじゃなかったら何してもいいみたいな雰囲気

確かに今年はナマ・半生のお品書きや宣伝をよく見かけたわ
何か自分で判断できなくなりつつある気がする
みんなで渡れば怖くない、が、轢かれたらより大惨事なんだけどね

昔はネットがないから緩くても一般人に晒される可能性も低かっただけ
それよりグルーピーやストーカーの方が余程イカれてたわけだしさ…

一般の目にっていうのもナマモノ自体が大きいジャンルになって
同人誌を本尊や所属へ送りつけたり、腐アピール＆要求する輩が出たり
本尊側がいじり出したり、同人側へ警告・取り潰しをしたしかたらじゃないか
ネットが出来て同好者のお約束がより効かなくなって危機感が高まったと

>>一般の目に触れさせない、ってルールもここ15年くらいの流れ
>>昔はゆるかった

昔は緩かったといっても「本尊に本を送っても問題なし」とかいうレベルじゃないでしょ
今までは母数が少なかったから問題児が目立たなかっただけで、
一般禁やら事務所禁やらという言葉は15年前でも普通にあったと思うけど？

http://totokoko.tobiiro.jp/2/2.html
トトココお兄さんもSMAPを応援しているよ！

それは本尊によるかな
とりあえず本尊送り付け＝一般禁はちょっと違う
昔は音楽雑誌に同人誌通販(もちろんホモあり)とか
同人ぽいネタイラストコーナーがあったりしたしね

とりあえずツイやサーチでオフ宣伝してる奴は自重しろ

>>230
CD券目当てにイラスト投稿しまくったｗ

槇原敬之ってホモらしいね！
ビックリだよ！

>>220
まだ鍵かけてるだけいいじゃないか、うちなんて鍵無し上等だｗ
しかも伏字もなく平気でレポと称した腐妄想垂れ流し
例え鍵かけててもチケが余ると譲渡希望で鍵開けちゃうし支部もやっそんシーンあっても
R18タグくらいでﾏｲﾋﾟｸ限定にもしていない
正直本尊に萎えるより腐に萎えて萌えれなくなりつつある…

そうだね！
海外っていうと韓流かな！？
最近人気だもんね！東方神起とか

東方神起“華麗なパフォーマンス”

18日午後、ソウル松坡(ソンパ)区蚕室(チャムシル)洞にある蚕室総合運動場の
オリンピックメインスタジアムで「SMTOWN LIVE WORLD TOUR III in Seoul」が開かれた。

カンタ、BoA、東方神起、SUPER JUNIOR、少女時代、SHINee、f(x)、EXOなどSMエンター
テインメント所属のアーティストが総出動した今回のコンサートは、今年3回目を迎えた。
ソウルコンサートの次に開催される「SMTOWN LIVE WORLD TOUR in JAKARTA」は9月22日に
インドネシアのGBK競技場でその幕を開ける。
http://news.kstyle.com/article.ksn?articleNo=1949702

大阪ではコンサートに行った子が雷に打たれたらしいね！
怖いね！

>>213
畜生・・・、ここが2chじゃなければ(ry

注意喚起そのものがナマの存在を広めてしまうから、注意したくても出来ないんだと思う。
あと、鍵無しでナマやってた人たちは、昔の話知っててやってるんだよね。
知ってはいるんだけど、どこまでがナマ、半生、二次元なのか、扱いの区別がついてないみたい。
鍵垢持ちの人でも、公式でキャラ化されてる人の扱いをどうすればいいか、悩んでる人もいたし。

自分が注意したり、話を聞いてみた範囲だとそんな感じだった。
注意して逆ギレされなかっただけまだマシだと思ってる。

ただ最近は、本尊単体ならいいだろうって感じで、
本尊ぺろぺろとかルイズコピペみたいなのを地でいくやつが現れて頭抱えてる。
自分が他ジャンルのナマを知らないから、気にしすぎなのかと思えてきた。

よくあるよね、テレビでナマの存在に触れられた！自重しろ系のツイが鍵なしｼﾞｬﾝﾙ関係なく拡散されていくのは…
騒がずｽﾙｰしてたら増長するバカもいるし難しい

>>238
うちはルイズコピペとかぺろぺろは腐関係なく一般でも結構見かけるわ

男ファン（と思われる）によるホモネタが蔓延してるようなところだけど
そういうのに紛れてるのは腐女子を自覚していないような層で、
創作までやっているﾀｲﾌﾟは逆に警戒してるように思う

ダウンタウンが昔ホモ同人誌を送られたって言ってたね！

お兄さん分かったよ！
萌え対象のことを「本尊」って言うんだね！

今年の24時間テレビは嵐がえらくプッシュされてたね(´･ω･`)

メインパーソナリティーなんだから当然じゃないのか…

制作費40億で2億そこらの募金を集めるとは豪勢な番組だねえ

皆は本尊が犯罪とかイタタな事件起こしたりしたらどうしてる？

連投スイマセン
もし起こしたらどうする？です

何度も起こしてるよ
その時は辛いけど、性犯罪と殺人以外ならファン辞めたりしない
萌えは一瞬なくなったりするけど
駄目なところも承知で好きだから

本尊受けが性犯罪起こしたよ
妻子ができても廃れなかったのに一気に居なくなったわ

私もさすがに無理だった

ショックというより嫌悪感かな

芸能人も人間なんだね！

>>239
ありがとう。
一般でもあるって聞いて、ちょっと心が軽くなりました。
見るのも疲れてきたので、ミュートするようにします。

トトココお兄さんとやら
伏せ字無しageやめなよ１ちゃんと読んで

今まで誰もそんなこと言ってないよ！

>>252
30年ROMれマジで
コテNGあぼんしてもスレageられたんじゃたまったもんじゃない

無駄だろ
荒らしだろうし

いいいいやだなあ嵐じゃないよ！
そんなジャニーズだなんて照れるじゃないか！

えっ違うなら照れる必要なくね？

ジャニーズじゃないのにジャニーズだろうって言われたら照れるじゃないか！

触るなよ…

トトココお兄さんの人気に嫉妬！？

トトココお兄さんはナマ同人読んだことあるの？

あるよ！
バイト先のおばちゃんが娘が作った同人誌を持ってきて見せてくれるよ！
同人誌のこと知らない人たちは「えっ漫画家なの？すごいじゃない」って驚いてたよ！

そりゃまた豪快なオカンだな…

それにしても3次元を萌え絵にできる人ってすごいよね！

http://gajajam.kazeki.net/page.php?id=31561

該当スレが見当たらなかったので注意喚起としてカキコさせて頂きます。

虹バンドの一般ファンがメンバーのホモ同人誌を事務所に送りつけたようです。
以前からサイトやピクシブやツイッターで自制していない腐が多く目立つ無法地帯だったようで、
なるべくしてなる形で一般ファンの目に触れてしまったようです。

送りつけた人物は妹の友人で私自信は別本尊なので面識がないのですが
腐をひた隠ししている妹を一般ファンと疑わずにピクシブで発覚して以降、
逐一で報告してきて事務所に送るため夏コミに本を買いに行ったことが発覚しました。

スレのルールに反するとは思いますがジャンル全体の危機なのでバンド名は伏せず当て字表記させて頂きました。
虹バンドで活動されてる方、虹バンドと関係ある本尊で活動されてる方は特にお気をつけ下さい。

>>265
過疎ってるけど一応該当スレにコピペしてきた
このスレは今基地が粘着してるから使わないほうがいいと思う

ﾔﾀﾞｰ怖いねー！

お兄さん分かったよ！
虹はラルクアンシエルだね！

どこのジャンルでも一度は同人誌送りつけ事件が発生するんだな
真偽はともかくうちの本尊もすでに数回やられてるけど
本人に届く前に事務所や会社で破棄されるか黙殺されるのがほとんどなんだろうな
もちろんそんな事件起こらないにこしたことはないけど

じゃあ大丈夫じゃないか！
ジャンル全体の危機って大げさだよ！

>>265
妹の友人なら直接注意してもらえよ

一般ファンの友人に？
訴えられたりするとマズいことをしてるのでやめてくださいって？
面白いこと言うね！

ラルクといえばｸﾞｸﾞったら神社仏閣板にこんなのもあったよ！

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むかーし、うちの神社の手水舎の裏に
ラルクアンシエルのホモ同人誌が20冊くらい捨てられてたよｗ
袋に入ってて中身綺麗だったから
近所の古本屋にタダでいいからと引き取ってもらった。

鯨人なんかは、後輩に買いに行かせて舞台で披露するとか聞くしね…

自分の本尊はバンドなんだけど、Ａが作った曲この詩はＢに向けて書いたんだよね！切ない恋心！
逆にＢの歌詞はその曲に対しての返事なんだ！
とか妄想でガンガン発言する人が苦手
自分、ライブではキャッキャしてくれていいけど（むしろしてくれ）
全国に向けて発売する曲が、仮に該当本尊相手だとしても（冷静に考えてそんなはずないがww）
ただ一人のためのものとか思いたくない、というか書いてほしくない。
自分の中の勝手な思い込みだから言えないけど、なんか気持ち悪い

お兄さん分かったよ！
鯨人は芸人だね！

このスレしばらく放置した方がよさそうだな

>>271
いくら友人でも腐を敵視してるような一般ファンに注意なんてできるわけないだろ

そりゃ説得して理解してくれる人もいるだろうけど一般ファンの大多数は
理解することができないしヘタしたら説得した本人も腐仲間と認識・嫌悪され晒される
可能性の方がデカイから腐バレしてない一般人を装った人は傍観することしかできんわ…

自制してない人間の不始末を自制してる人間に文句言うなんておかしいよアンタ

傍観じゃなくて一緒にコミケに事務所に送るための
ラルクアンシエルのホモ同人誌を買いに行ってるけどね！

ラジオで同人公募して番組中で読み上げる企画があったな…

なんだ認知されてるんじゃん

まあどこまで自制すればいいのかなんていい加減なもので
ここの人間だってここだけ見ればさも自制してるように見えるけど
他の場所から見れば
ニュースにも登場するような有名掲示板にスレ立てて
ローカルルールを皆が守ってくれる善意に期待してるだけの自制してない人たち
だからね。

自ジャンルスレ無いわ…

立てればいいよ！

久しぶりに見に来たら激しく夏だった
元半生がアンチに変わったケースだろうけどなんつうかまあ水風呂にでも入ってこい

そっかー大変だったんだね！

死ね

何かあったの？
元気出してね！

くっそー10年ぶりにうっかり本尊に再萌して
当時同時にオンオフ共ﾄﾞｼﾞﾝ引退してて要領忘れちまったから
情報拾いに来たのにこの惨状

>>288
数字の方に該当スレがないかチェックすると吉

惨状だったの？
もしかしてラルクアンシエルなのかな？
元気出してね！

なんか変な人いるけど、この人ジャンルは蛇なのｗｗ

トトだから？

こんないろいろ難ありな人
蛇にもイラネ

トトココお兄さん分かったよ！
蛇はジャニーズのことだよ！

SMAPはTOTOに音痴って言われたらしいね！
まあ音痴だね！特に中居君！

>>294
板違いだな

兄さんわかったよ！
板違いっていうのは掲示板のカテゴリーと関係ないこと、
つまりここでいうと同人関連以外を書き込むことだね！

おっと、あぼん対象にレスしてる奴も
連鎖あぼんする設定にするのを忘れていた

じゃあ同人関連の書き込みをするね！
SMAPは素地図らしいよ！

なんだかトトココお兄さんがいっぱいだね！

トトココお兄さんは皆の心の中に

ナマモノってwikipediaでちゃんと説明されてるんだね！
トトココお兄さんびっくりだよ！

オープンだね！

>>297
googleで「地図　同人」って検索するとご丁寧に「素地図　同人」って出てくるね！

便利だね！

おっぱいが好きです

ふたなり？

ふたなりは何がいいのか分からないよ！

百合

ナマモノはほぼホモだね！

芸能人は大変だね！

芸能人は歯が命

またコハダ鯖落ちたんだね！

あん

;(；ﾞﾟ'ωﾟ');ｱｱﾝ

自ジャンルの自治厨が鬱陶しくなってきた。

本尊が海外でも活動してて、自分のコラとかイラスト歓迎むしろやれって姿勢の方なんだけど、
海外のファンにまで、ナマ絵やコラを公開すんな、下げろとうるさい。

海外の同人ルールなんてわかんないし、ナマはナマだから気持ちはわからんでもないけど、
そいつの主張見てると、「私の決めたナマのルールは絶対だから守れ」に見えてきた。
本尊の同人誌出すなとか言いながら、そいつは普通にサークル参加して本尊の本出してんだもん。
もうわけわからん。

314晒しｱｹﾞ

まだ…つーかもうダメかここ

諦めたらそこで試合終了ですよ

>>71
激遅レスでごめん
まだ見てるかな？
私も同じような感じで復活してしまい、いろいろ探してるけど見つからず…の状態

あまりにも読みた過ぎて、そのうち自分で作ろうかと思ってます
潜り方いろいろ勉強しなきゃ

見つかれば文句言うし、見つからなければ愚痴るんだね！

なあトトココ、一体お前に何があったというんじゃ……

てかこのスレ落とそうよ

1000までまだまだ先は長いね！

落とすって半年以上レスが付かなくてもdat落ちしないスレがある板で
埋めるにしても残り600以上あるのにどうするの

次スレ立てたところで付いてくるでしょ

スレの機能停止が目的でしょ。あぼんして普通に話しようよ
ageようが何しようがほっときゃいい

>>325は何のために伏せ字やsageをするの？
それは自分が伏せ字無しage書き込みをあぼんすれば解決する理由なの？
ageてもほっときゃいいってんならそもそもsage推奨の意味ないよね。
ageられても困らないんだから。

正論すぎるな

600くらいふつうに埋めてけば

落としたらしばらく立てないでおけばいいじゃない
元々さして動かないスレだしさ

したらば辺りに避難所立てるという手も

避難所作るなら大好きなパスワード付きにでもすればいいんじゃないかな！
ここの人たちは言ってることとやってることが違うよね！

地味に核心をつくなトトココ

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やる気のない梅だねえ

トトココ兄さんって誰？

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トトココは受けなのか攻めなのか想像しようぜ

当て馬

受けは描かれたことあるよ！

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どこの本尊だよｗ

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竹

…松？

うめー

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梅ちゃん

うめー

うんめぇ〜！！

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これ埋めるのたいへんだな…

そうだねぇ・・・梅。

お兄さんどっかいっちゃったし

つうか埋める必要あるの？
まだ300番台のスレを埋めようとしてるほうこそ嵐みたいなんだけど

そうだよ！
2ちゃんねるのガイドラインではスレをageるのは荒らしじゃないけど
スレ埋め立ては荒らし行為だよ！

放置しとけばいいのに

黙って埋める

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いっそリレー小説でも始めるか

自ジャンルはオフ活動してるの全国で3、4サークルなんだが
どこでもこんなもんなんだろうか

ジャニーズとかは多いんじゃないかな！
J禁ってジャニーズらしいしね！

トトココのリレー小説にしたらいいよ

同人界の小説は「絵を描けない人が書く」っていうイメージしかないね！
そのイメージを覆すような文章力に期待したいね！

>>378
トトココはこんな真っ昼間から何してんの？ニート？何歳なの？彼女いないの？
オタクなの？好きなアニメなんなの？常駐板はどこなの？あとageんのやめてください

トトココお兄さんっていつもいるんだね

はいはい埋めるよー
極力スルーで

私トトココだけど
こんな真っ昼間から何してんの？
と、真っ昼間に書き込む人って・・・

>>379
ご、ごめんね。
>>378がそんなに図星だとは思わなかったんだよ！
別に絵が描けなくても死なないから気にしないで！

トトココお兄さんのこともっと知りたいよ…

まったくこれだから末尾Pは・・・

>>382
質問した私なら現在貯金食い潰しながら転職準備中だよ！全然気にしてないよ
それよりトトココも質問に答えてくださいよ
何歳なの？好きな服のブランドは？料理は得意ですか？犬派？猫派？
フィギュアとか集める方ならラインナップ聞かせてください

>>386
ちょっと落ち着いてID見たらどうだろう

>>387
埋めたいならこの方が俄然速いから良くね？

いや今更そんな取ってつけたように言われても
正直、自分から絡んで自爆して逆ギレしてる人にしか見えないから。

無職なのかーかわいそっ☆
頑張ってね！

やっと400？

まだだった。ついでに梅

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じゃあうめ

ウメッシュ

頑張って埋めようかー

埋めてる人はなんで埋めてんの？
荒らしが居ついたスレを600以上梅で落として
次スレにすぐ荒らしが登場したら今度は1000埋めるの？
放置すればいいのに

ちょいちょい書き込むバカがいて
それをトトココがアゲる
ってのを防ぐためじゃないの？

あと次スレはしばらくたてないってことでしょ

>>397
明らかに某がやってる
＆何も考えてないアホが追随して埋めてる

>>386みたいのがいるから

名前欄ごめん

特定されるような内容が無いと書き込めないの？
ジャンル名を伏せ字で書いたり時事ネタを入れないとかで対策できないかと思うんだけど

上のレス読めないのかなあ
落とした方がベターだって一旦まとまってる

引き続き埋めます

やめて！
トトココお兄さんのために争わないで！\(//∇//)\

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いいからパンツの色教えろよ

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埋め立て嵐が去ったか

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ume

トトココはどういう目的でスレに来たんだ？
お母さんみたいに聞いてやるから話してみろよ

難民にでもスレ立ててそっちでやってもらえますかね？
うざい

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トトココお兄さん今回の冬ミケはパンフを買わなくてもサークルがわかるよ！
大好きなナマモノの情報いっぱい調べてね！

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すんません、流れ分からないけど上げます
コミケのwebカタログ 、ナマジャンルの人的にどうなんですかこれ・・・

なんかまた面倒臭いのが来たな
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面倒くさいじゃなくて結構問題だと思う
ただ無料で見られるのは今回だけだから様子見
次回からはサークル以外有料になるし
カット以外、余計な項目登録しなければいいし

重要問題だからこそ、このスレの現状で話すべきことではないだろ
客に餌与えてどうするよ

梅

梅

うん、それは重要な問題だね！

図書館作るとかなってからコミケに出るのやめたよ
自衛とか考えてるなら出なきゃいいのに

梅

ナマの場合、人に意見きかなきゃ判断出来ないなら最初からやんない方がいいよ
カタログしかりTwitterしかり支部しかり
梅梅

梅

でも有名掲示板にスレは立てるんだね！

梅

梅

梅

梅

梅

梅

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アホなことやってるから教えてやるが、これだけ残ってるスレは
1000目指すより１スレ容量の500KB目指す方が早い。
１レスで書けるギリギリの2048byteを投稿すれば250レスでスレは落ちる。
ちなみに>>453がきっちり2048byteな。

あ、最後に改行いれて2048byteね。

へー

上げられても迷惑なんだが梅

ageたら意地で効率悪い方法を取るだろうなと思って。
書き込み内容よりメル欄重視なスレだからｗ

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何で埋めるの？
トトココお兄さんって誰？

梅

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コピペして投稿しようとすると本文長すぎエラーが出るのはなんで
もちろん変な改行は一切入れてない
2行ほど減らしたら出来たけど謎だ

改行消さなきゃダメだよん
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>>554
コピペ連投荒らしを防ぐ為に、忍法帖とか鯖側で弾く仕組みになってるから
そっちに引っかかってたりもするかも
その場合は一定期間置いたり容量の違うレス挟んだり

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